Comments on: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:16:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Nemo http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519976 Nemo Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:19:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519976 The High Court Order under which IPs released names and addresses can be found at: http://www.digiprotect.org/html/hc_london_300608.html The judge who made the order Chief Master Winegarten is highly respected but clearly not IT literate in that he approved an order which states: AND UPON reading the documents marked in the Court file as having been read and it appearing that there is a prima facie case that each of the subscribers associated with the IP addresses listed in Schedule 1 to this Order have copied the Applicant's work(s) on to his or her personal or office Computer (the "Work(s)") without the Applicant's permission for the purpose of making it available via file sharing Websites for third parties to download, which may give rise to a claim for Copyright infringement; The order is such utter codswallop that any lawyer could have had it overturned in ten minutes; British IPs did not have it overturned because they are happy to go along with anything that discourages people from using the service that they have paid for. In the UK IPs are allowed to advertise UNLIMITED downloads, but then put so called fair usage clauses in the small print. The High Court Order under which IPs released names and addresses can be found at:
http://www.digiprotect.org/html/hc_london_300608.html
The judge who made the order Chief Master Winegarten is highly respected but clearly not IT literate in that he approved an order which states:
AND UPON reading the documents marked in the Court file as having been read and it appearing that there is a prima facie case that each of the subscribers associated with the IP addresses listed in Schedule 1 to this Order have copied the Applicant’s work(s) on to his or her personal or office Computer (the “Work(s)”) without the Applicant’s permission for the purpose of making it available via file sharing Websites for third parties to download, which may give rise to a claim for Copyright infringement;
The order is such utter codswallop that any lawyer could have had it overturned in ten minutes; British IPs did not have it overturned because they are happy to go along with anything that discourages people from using the service that they have paid for.
In the UK IPs are allowed to advertise UNLIMITED downloads, but then put so called fair usage clauses in the small print.

]]> By: Užrašai iš skaitmeninio fronto #10 : nežinau.lt http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519535 Užrašai iš skaitmeninio fronto #10 : nežinau.lt Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:33:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519535 [...] Karalyst?je žmon?s, kurie buvo neteis?tai apkaltinti nelegaliais fail? mainais, raginami sk?sti pinig? prievartautojus valstyb?s institucijoms. TorrentFreak net skundo šablon? paruoš? tokiems atvejams, kuri?, deja, yra ne vienas ir ne [...] [...] Karalyst?je žmon?s, kurie buvo neteis?tai apkaltinti nelegaliais fail? mainais, raginami sk?sti pinig? prievartautojus valstyb?s institucijoms. TorrentFreak net skundo šablon? paruoš? tokiems atvejams, kuri?, deja, yra ne vienas ir ne [...]

]]> By: nocomments http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519534 nocomments Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:32:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519534 the davenport lyons your IP:217.29.195.33 was involved in illegal fileshring activities. nocomments the davenport lyons your IP:217.29.195.33 was involved in illegal fileshring activities.
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]]> By: Davenport Lyons http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519532 Davenport Lyons Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:50:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519532 We do it for the money and frankly speaking it's easy and does not involved any hard work. Davenport Lyons. 30 Old Burlington Street London W1S 3NL Tel: (+44) 020 7468 2600 Fax: (+44) 020 7437 8216 We do it for the money and frankly speaking it’s easy and does not involved any hard work.
Davenport Lyons.
30 Old Burlington Street
London W1S 3NL
Tel: (+44) 020 7468 2600
Fax: (+44) 020 7437 8216

]]> By: Protestas de los internautas británicos poniendo el caso español Promusicae vs. Telefónica como ejemplo http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519397 Protestas de los internautas británicos poniendo el caso español Promusicae vs. Telefónica como ejemplo Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:09:39 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519397 [...] ha levantado bastante indignación entre los internautas británicos. Desde TorrentFreak, se ha colgado un modelo de carta de protesta que los afectados están utilizando para pedir la [...] [...] ha levantado bastante indignación entre los internautas británicos. Desde TorrentFreak, se ha colgado un modelo de carta de protesta que los afectados están utilizando para pedir la [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-519038 Anonymous Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:19 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-519038 PLS Click: http://www.iHateCandy.de.gp/ PLS Click: http://www.iHateCandy.de.gp/

]]> By: me http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518786 me Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:24:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518786 Davenport lyons now have the attention of bbc watchdog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/12/davenport_lyons_threatening_le.html Davenport lyons now have the attention of bbc watchdog

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/12/davenport_lyons_threatening_le.html

]]> By: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government | CyberLaw Blog http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518767 Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government | CyberLaw Blog Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:16:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518767 [...] Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government: “ [...] [...] Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government: “ [...]

]]> By: penumbra http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518604 penumbra Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:54:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518604 @37 Meh, your "..."s are hiding a wealth of legalese information very pertinent to the argument. And you're wrong on the waffle front. The UK are interpreting their "..."s far more broadly than the 2002 E privacy directive allows. Note that a directive *requires* member states to achieve a particular result, just without dictating the means of achieving that result. The E Privacy directive *requires* governments to legislate proportionately. The UK is not. Italy, Germany and Spain are interpreting it correctly, as backed up by the EJC. This needs to be fixed in the UK. Of course, writing to government never works - there is no true democracy, yaddah yaddah yaddah. We may as well just sit at home and not bother and have all our personal details sold to the highest bidder and not make a squeak about it. Or not. @37
Meh, your “…”s are hiding a wealth of legalese information very pertinent to the argument. And you’re wrong on the waffle front.

The UK are interpreting their “…”s far more broadly than the 2002 E privacy directive allows. Note that a directive *requires* member states to achieve a particular result, just without dictating the means of achieving that result. The E Privacy directive *requires* governments to legislate proportionately. The UK is not.

Italy, Germany and Spain are interpreting it correctly, as backed up by the EJC. This needs to be fixed in the UK.

Of course, writing to government never works – there is no true democracy, yaddah yaddah yaddah. We may as well just sit at home and not bother and have all our personal details sold to the highest bidder and not make a squeak about it.

Or not.

]]> By: meh http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518300 meh Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:42:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518300 So where is it against the DPA? "UK ISPs were ordered ... by the High Court" "Personal data are exempt from the non-disclosure provisions where the disclosure is required by ... order of a court." Unless the high court stopped being classed as a court, that falls squarely within the exemptions. The stuff about the EU is just waffle. Member states are "not obliged" to hand over details in copyright cases, but that is nothing like saying that member states must not hand over the data. The rest of the text about the EU is non-binding decisions, opinions and "ought to's". Hardly enough to make the ICO tell the high court where to stick it. So where is it against the DPA?

“UK ISPs were ordered … by the High Court”
“Personal data are exempt from the non-disclosure provisions where the disclosure is required by … order of a court.”

Unless the high court stopped being classed as a court, that falls squarely within the exemptions.

The stuff about the EU is just waffle. Member states are “not obliged” to hand over details in copyright cases, but that is nothing like saying that member states must not hand over the data.

The rest of the text about the EU is non-binding decisions, opinions and “ought to’s”. Hardly enough to make the ICO tell the high court where to stick it.

]]> By: jj http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518263 jj Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:28:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518263 will i get a letter because im downloading, or is it if your just uploading illegal files to bit torrent websites? will i get a letter because im downloading, or is it if your just uploading illegal files to bit torrent websites?

]]> By: 20 Hacking Computers on LAN Videos | Code/Realm http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518261 20 Hacking Computers on LAN Videos | Code/Realm Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:15:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518261 [...] Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government [...] [...] Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government [...]

]]> By: Daniel http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518214 Daniel Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:32:07 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518214 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHq-cKoYcr8 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHq-cKoYcr8

]]> By: Daniel http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518208 Daniel Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:50:01 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518208 Want to have some fun? Next time a police officer walks down your street scan for a WiFi signal, it's shows up as Patrol and guess what? It's WEP!!! Want to have some fun? Next time a police officer walks down your street scan for a WiFi signal, it’s shows up as Patrol and guess what? It’s WEP!!!

]]> By: Daniel http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518206 Daniel Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:24:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518206 BT Home and BT Buisness both advocate the use of WEP to its customers. They come around your house and even set it up for you. The password to the router box which they say is written on the back of the WiFi Box on a sticker and its nothing more than the mac address of the router. If an attacker has sniffed your connection he already knows the password to the router, it would have been displayed for him whilst he was gathering interesting packets to break your encryption. WiFi networks are flawed by design, the only secure protocol is WPA2 with the advanced encryption algorithm and even then you would probably want to use certificates. There are many `undocumented` -1 exploits in the world, I say -1 exploits as there not even underground public. ARP has many weaknesses by design (reading RFCs will show the cracks). Bottom line there are many tricks that whilst hinted and bubbeling arn;t actualy out in the clicky clicky form, hence its good to actualy understand how things work fully first, then and only then can you see how broken it all is. Also peer networks are kinda a client and AP in one - they peer so one client on one AP is a AP with the other showing as its client, SO if you inject into the peer level (IE your a muppet and didn't pick a client but actually a peer'd paired AP, then nuff said). BT Home and BT Buisness both advocate the use of WEP to its customers. They come around your house and even set it up for you. The password to the router box which they say is written on the back of the WiFi Box on a sticker and its nothing more than the mac address of the router. If an attacker has sniffed your connection he already knows the password to the router, it would have been displayed for him whilst he was gathering interesting packets to break your encryption.

WiFi networks are flawed by design, the only secure protocol is WPA2 with the advanced encryption algorithm and even then you would probably want to use certificates.

There are many `undocumented` -1 exploits in the world, I say -1 exploits as there not even underground public. ARP has many weaknesses by design (reading RFCs will show the cracks).

Bottom line there are many tricks that whilst hinted and bubbeling arn;t actualy out in the clicky clicky form, hence its good to actualy understand how things work fully first, then and only then can you see how broken it all is.

Also peer networks are kinda a client and AP in one – they peer so one client on one AP is a AP with the other showing as its client, SO if you inject into the peer level (IE your a muppet and didn’t pick a client but actually a peer’d paired AP, then nuff said).

]]> By: Daniel http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518201 Daniel Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:01:51 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518201 That is such a huge grey area over who is responsible for downloading the porn in the first place. Every idiot under the sun uses WiFi for their broadband connections and they inevitably immediately choose WEP to secure their connection as its the easiest to setup. However WEP is not a secure protocol. They may have the IP address of the person they believe to be responsible but what is to stop any hacker worth their salt from cracking their WEP key then using their IP address to upload or download porn over the poor unsuspecting victims IP address? I hope they get counter sued for wrongful prosecution. That is such a huge grey area over who is responsible for downloading the porn in the first place.

Every idiot under the sun uses WiFi for their broadband connections and they inevitably immediately choose WEP to secure their connection as its the easiest to setup.

However WEP is not a secure protocol.

They may have the IP address of the person they believe to be responsible but what is to stop any hacker worth their salt from cracking their WEP key then using their IP address to upload or download porn over the poor unsuspecting victims IP address?

I hope they get counter sued for wrongful prosecution.

]]> By: www.10ch.org http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518195 www.10ch.org Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:48:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518195 @28 Poze "That shows how far Roze?s head is up his ass better than most things." Even if my head is up my ass (whatever that means), doesn't mean that I am not right. Roze @28 Poze
“That shows how far Roze?s head is up his ass better than most things.”
Even if my head is up my ass (whatever that means), doesn’t mean that I am not right.

Roze

]]> By: www.10ch.org http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518194 www.10ch.org Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:44:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518194 @28 Poze "That shows how far Roze?s head is up his ass better than most things." Actually, it is more likely that your head is up your own ass. @28 Poze
“That shows how far Roze?s head is up his ass better than most things.”
Actually, it is more likely that your head is up your own ass.

]]> By: TorrentHub http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518183 TorrentHub Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:03:32 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518183 It might be worth adding the information that the radio5 link starts discussing the filesharing litigation situation at 0:51:40. A lot of other news, weather etc first My 2c - http://www.torrenthub.org It might be worth adding the information that the radio5 link starts discussing the filesharing litigation situation at 0:51:40. A lot of other news, weather etc first

My 2c – http://www.torrenthub.org

]]> By: Poze http://torrentfreak.com/accused-of-illegal-file-sharing-complain-to-the-government-081205/#comment-518151 Poze Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:49:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=6210#comment-518151 Amongst Roze's usual irrational ramblings and calling people to protest and organise and drop copied DVD's in the street (despite showing no evidence that he is organising jackshit or wasting his own money by wasting DVDs) was this little gem: "Well, I am more sensible than you are" That shows how far Roze's head is up his ass better than most things. Amongst Roze’s usual irrational ramblings and calling people to protest and organise and drop copied DVD’s in the street (despite showing no evidence that he is organising jackshit or wasting his own money by wasting DVDs) was this little gem:

“Well, I am more sensible than you are”

That shows how far Roze’s head is up his ass better than most things.

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