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ACS:Law Anti-Piracy Hunt Takes Toll On Legal Profession

Today, anti-piracy group DigiProtect are again quoted by the BBC as having no regrets about their controversial campaign file-sharing hunt in the UK. Nevertheless, their actions don’t come without cost. Their lawyers, ACS:Law, have had more than 280 official complaints filed against them with the UK legal regulatory body, dwarfing all comers in the IP sector.

Today, anti-piracy company DigiProtect are being featured in an article by the BBC where they defend their UK file-sharing witch-hunt. As usual, the firm says its just protecting rights holders when it demands cash payments from individuals, without solid proof that the accused have actually done something wrong.

Notably, the German-based outfit refused to tell the BBC the names of its clients, but this is to be expected. Part of the DigiProtect service is to shield the brand image of its clients by taking all the adverse publicity these campaigns generate by taking it on their own chin. However, despite putting themselves front and center for criticism, it doesn’t actually play out like that.

It is ACS:Law, the tiny one-lawyer UK law firm who do the ‘dirty work’ for DigiProtect, which gets all the attention. Unlike lawyers Davenport Lyons and more recently Tilly Bailey & Irvine who withdrew from this business due to the damage it was causing to their reputations, ACS:Law don’t care about the negative publicity. Considering the huge amounts of money they’re bringing in, some might consider their defiance understandable.

But perhaps ACS:Law should stop for a moment and think about the damage being done to the reputation of their profession and to the Solicitors Regulatory Authority (SRA), the body charged with the task of ensuring the law business in the UK isn’t brought into disrepute. As we will now reveal, the toll is considerable.

During the debates about the Digital Economy Bill in the House of Lords, repeated mentions were made that the appropriate route of complaint for recipients of demands relating to filesharing accusations is via complaints to the appropriate legal authorities. Comments along these lines were made by Lord Young, despite his department having received a number of complaints from individuals stating they had exhausted all their options.

It was therefore surprising that the following comment was made on record during these debates: (Lord Young – 20 Jan 10)

“The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, said that these actions are appalling and unacceptable, but nobody has referred them to any of the regulatory bodies. I find that strange. We are saying that we have had thousands of these cases yet nobody has said that this law firm is acting in a totally unacceptable way. I should have thought that the legal regulatory bodies would by now have been involved and I am puzzled why they have not been.”

As a result of this claim, which he knew to be untrue, John Fletcher (working with Beingthreatened.com) discovered that the total number of complaints to the Solicitors Regulatory Authority (SRA) could be found using a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, which the SRA voluntarily honor.

An FOIA request was made and the results are astonishing.

By the end of December 2009, a full month before Lord Young claimed “nobody had referred [ACS:Law and Davenport Lyons] to the regulatory bodies”, more than 247 individual complaints had in fact been made to the SRA.

At the answering of the FOIA request, nearly 300 complaints had been made against a total of three law firms. Of these, 14 complaints are recorded as having been resolved in one case file, which would have pertained to Davenport Lyons and 3 complaints at the time of the request were against Tilly Bailey and Irvine. So what about the rest?

As of 22 March 2010, a staggering 283 of these complaints related to the activities of ACS:Law.

Together, the individual complaints made against mainly ACS:Law (and to a much lesser extent Tilly Bailey & Irvine and Davenport Lyons) over the past two years dwarfs the levels of SRA complaints relating to any other area of intellectual property law in the UK.

Furthermore, in September 2009, complaints against ACS:Law topped out at over 16% of the 500 complaints made in total to the SRA for the whole month.

But there is a serious problem. The SRA is there to serve the public by ensuring that disreputable lawyers are quickly kept in check, and to this end they have to adhere to timeliness targets.

The information published by the Office of the Legal Services Complaint Commissioner (OLSCC) in their annual report has set the following timeliness targets for the SRA and the Legal Complaints Service (LCS):

Timeliness Target T1 – 6 Month Closures: The Legal Complaints Service to investigate and conclude at least 87% of cases within 6 months of receipt.

Timeliness Target T2 – 12 Month Closures: The Legal Complaints Service to investigate and conclude 100% of cases within 12 months, apart from in exceptional circumstances.

The Freedom of Information request referred to above discovered that of the 14 complaints made regarding the activity of Davenport Lyons:

· Only 7% of cases were closed within 6 months of receipt (against the target of 87%).

· 29% of cases were closed within 12 months of receipt.

This means that a huge 64% of all complaints failed to meet targets T1 and T2, yet no explanation has been given by the SRA as to the exceptional circumstances preventing these complaints being resolved quicker.

We can also see from the FOIA request that the complaints against ACS:Law appear to be following exactly the same pattern.

In this case the complaints have not yet been concluded, but at the time of writing 51% of complaints have already passed beyond the 6 month target (according to target less than 13% should have done so). We are also less than two months from the first complaints against ACS:Law also exceeding the 12 month target.

To our knowledge no complainant has been kept up to date on the timeliness of their complaints nor given any indication of their progress. This appears to be completely unacceptable, especially given the continued failing to meet targets.

Sadly, the office that set the targets is due to have closed on the 31st March, and therefore is no longer in a position to uphold them, but those who have made complaints should persist as they deserve and have a right to be heard.

Those affected should take their cases to the Office of the Legal Services Ombudsman and the Ministry of Justice to ask why these timeliness targets have not been adhered to and why there has been no communication as to the progress of their complaint.

One could perhaps conclude that the reasons for the delays are obvious. Due to the activities of ACS:Law, DigiProtect and their faceless, entirely non-UK clients, the systems of the SRA have been entirely overwhelmed. This means that not only do recipients of these letters get a poor service from the SRA, but quite possibly complainants in other areas of law.

But despite these huge and growing problems, Andrew Crossley from ACS:Law is absolutely defiant that he will continue to operate this scheme in the UK. His claim that his number one priority is protecting copyright is increasingly falling on deaf ears, particularly when he revealed recently that in the last 11 months alone he had collected £1 million from letter recipients.

The cost to the legal profession overall, however, can’t be measured in terms of money. Some things have greater value.

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  • Rasta.peace

    This is surprising. So how will this affect the firm in the future if more people complain? Because I’m doubting that it’s going to stop after 283 complaints

  • Random

    If nobody paid these guys, they wouldn’t have the money to keep operating…

    With all the bad publicity, they wouldn’t be able to get many high paying cases… they’re cashing in now but they’ll pay for it later…

  • its_me

    Error in post: (according to target less than 23% should have done so)
    should be 13%, not 23%

    TF: thanks, that typo is fixed

  • angry me

    money is the root of all evil

  • Surys

    DigiProtect, breaching privacy and service T&Cs to spy on people.

    Is their ‘evidence’ even admissable in court?

  • Catfish UK

    Question: What is the difference between ACS:Law and a catfish?

    Answer: Nothing, both are scum-sucking bottom-dwellers

    Haha!

  • Idon’tbeleiveit

    People of the UK, is there really nothing anyone can do about ACS Law? is there no one there with the balls or the know how to stand up to them? do any of your ISP’s have any balls or do they all just roll over.I am really sorry for you English

  • DeltaPan

    “The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, said that these actions are appalling and unacceptable, but nobody has referred them to any of the regulatory bodies. I find that strange.”

    That’s because the media corporates have demonised perfectly decent people, en Masse, who download from Bit Torrent, leading all too many people to perceive the filesharing community with utter contempt, we’ve been so demonised that nobody cares about how unfairly these agents for copyright holders treat us.

    Families, low waged and unemployed peoples who are not criminals but suffer more from the effects of recession, where the corporates are affluent and to the majority in that quarter the recession hasn’t happened, they suffer no adversity and prefer to treat us all as hardened criminals who need destroying, not families and low waged/unemployed peoples simply offsetting the high cost of living with downloading to improve quality of life media that is over priced at retail and so prohibitive, these media corporates are not in touch with reality and seem to think everybody is as comfortable in life as they, sociopath to society, not empathic and considerate to progress and adversities suffered in society because of rising costs of living in times of recession where most people are finding things hard.

    As long as they continue to get rich off the backs of the many, they don’t care who suffers and it is a profiteering industry which requires more regulation to compel fair pricing through Internet marketplaces, not forcing everybody to pay inflated prices for physical media.

    Same as the invasions of privacy, the way they hack us and seek to entrap us etc.

    They act criminally towards us, inappropriately at best, but nobody cares, we are all “Dodgy Dave’s”, Derek whatever the name was last year or two now not shown anymore, even had a TV advert demonising us.

    Associating us with black market bootlegging to criminalise us etc.

    As i’ve said, we may infract copyright, but the criminal acts and practises of anti piracy should be more the focus because they seem to be able to get away with anything when it comes to filesharers, nobody seems to bat an eyelid at the criminal laws they break.

    Try looking into the accounts of these people and see how much tax they evade for a start!

    Then how many agents in antipiracy hack peoples computers, infect them with malwares, all sorts of shenanigans which are contrary to criminal laws, not the simple infractions of civil copyright laws as we are guilty of.

    I know how guilty antipiracy agents are and media corporates actively encourage criminality by them on their behalf, many of us in filesharing communities do, we can’t prove it, so perhaps the Upper house and police could investigate the practices of those people commiting crimes instead of essentially endorsing what media corpoates want to do to us, by ignoring them and rushing through acts of parliament based on media corporate lies and deceit to get their own way in changes of law which persecute and further criminalise filesharers and downloaders and impede progress of Internet market places etc.

    The majority of filesharers/downloaders are not criminals but ordinary people trying to get by with decent quality of life, not greedy or selfish, losses cited by media industries and the Commons and Lords have been lied to persistantly.

    Do politicians in theCommons and Lords really like these greedy sociopath constantly lying through their teeth to them so they get their own way, so they continue to profiteer on society when everybody has to adjust to a changed world economy?

    They just don’t want to accept things have changed in many dimensions globally, internet habits by society and the economies of developed nations etc, so want to remain as rich as they can get no matter how society suffers and it’s up to politicians to act on behalf of the people, not act to persecute society by pandering to corporations who do nothing but lie through their hind teeth to get their own way.

    Peace. : )

  • Zush

    Well, the law profession already had bad reputation in this world. Ask the US! :D

  • anon2

    just like the complaints from the public concerning the DEB, these will be totally ingored as well. no official body for anything customer or general public orientated gives a flying f**k! nothing in the UK, just like the US, matters more than money and the ability to rip all insundry off, as long as it doesn’t affect the financial position of companies. the body in question knows what it should be doing and the time frame within which it should be working but will do nothing. it is simply another case of the ‘old school tye’ club and democratic life in the good old UK!!

  • pinshot

    This is interesting. It is a one man band then. So what does this guy reckon his chances are at avoiding being “accidentally” run over while crossing the road?

    All joking aside, it just goes to show what a joke the UK has become.

  • DeltaPan

    Sorry, skipped a bitin mild anger.

    Should be….

    The majority of filesharers/downloaders are not criminals but ordinary people trying to get by with decent quality of life, not greedy or selfish, losses cited by media industries are utter tosh and many issues are nothing but bunkham and the Commons and Lords have been lied to persistantly.

    Peace. : )

  • Pirate Dave

    People pay because they’re weak.

    You shouldn’t be a pirate if you’re a weak ninny sister.

    ACS:Law doesn’t want to come up against someone like me.

  • MeOutHere

    People should chase their complaint. Contact your MP in writing, they will respond, and especially at this time be over keen to follow your complaint.
    Use the Ombudsman, they do work.

  • piratepal

    This is all a joke, this will run along like the bank charges, the people who have paid this law firm/one man band have simply paid and not said “OK – take me to court and lets see the real evidence” someone will eventually but until that time comes this one man band will continue to send out letters asking for money simply because he has a client willing to pay him to do so, my advice is this:

    1, Keep sharing

    2, If you get a letter from this geezer follow the advice given here:

    http://www.tpuc.org/content/no-contract-return-sender

    p.s.just downloaded Clash of the Titans – effin brilliant.

  • DandyHighwayman

    ACS:Law know that sooner or later their game will be up and they will be severely in the shit. It’s cost/benefit analysis. 1M will pay off a lot of fines and still leave a nice little nest egg.

    The law system is intentionally and unneccesarily complex in order to keep the masses ignorant of their true rights whilst supporting a parasitical industry that is simply engaged in looting the people. Lawyers/solicitors are amongst the least moral people on the planet.

  • DeltaPan

    @ 14 Apr 15, 2010 at 14:18 by piratepal

    Good advice matey, “no-contract-return-sender”.

    John Harris covered this contract issue, like you say, in his seminar available on torrent, here…

    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5247736/Freeman_Lectures_-_John_Harris

    Very good material, a must watch, you’ll learn a lot and it explains a few rabbit holes in the warren, as it were.

    Sorry it isn’t well seeded, only 4 seeds at time of this post, a lot of what he says is spot on and everybody in today’s society should have knowledge of what he conveys and understand it all, it explains what isn’t common knowledge, what ‘they’ don’t like you to know.

    Taught me quite a few things and that ain’t easy, used to be an anarchist before socialist, back in the day, 80′s, and know more about this sort of thing than the average man or woman, but this was a good learning curve and filled quite a few holes.

    Life is a learning curve, as i always say, and i loved John’s material because it really did open my eyes a bit more than the usual conspiracy theory reiterations which abound.

    Wish more would be released by John Harris, he’s a great bloke when it comes to this sort of thing.

    Peace. : )

  • lverona

    I must say, though, 283 is not a lot for a country where millions of people live.

  • stupid

    @8 it was knock off nigel in the ads and they were a joke there is not a single person i know that wont download somthing

  • surfer

    dude/dudettes, the only reason we share files is because we can, and its free. Once someone figures out file sharing, they never forget.

  • DeltaPan

    @ 19 Apr 15, 2010 at 15:30 by stupid

    Thanks for the correction matey.

    It was utter nonsense so it sort of went in one brain cell, straight out the other with not much retention.

    Bit of a “Doh!!!” moment for me there though, “Dodgy Dave” bears no resemblance whatsoever to “Knock off Nigel”, like durrr.

    Although bootlegging is something i do frown on, as it does deny national economies revenue on goods and funds other crimes even funds terrorist groups as money filters up the chain, no denying that, that is true enough, filesharing isn’t burning to disk and selling, counterfeiting, but they’d have us all us filesharers/downloaders perceived the same as bootlegging counterfeiters which is a reason why not many people in authority care how criminal or inappropriate anti piracy agents act towards us.

    As has been mentioned, a downloaded copy of media doesn’t represent a lost sale, many people just about afford an Internet connection, buying over priced media is prohibitive because the majority in society are suffering economically due to recession and rising cost of living, filesharing/downloading is about improving quality of life because they cannot afford retail prices or going to cinema etc, especially low to middle income and unemployed families as much as individuals, some may download regardless of whether they can or cannot afford it as an act of recalcitrance, but most do so to save money for bills and eating, basics which forever increase in costs, that’s bad enough without legal prosecutions further affecting their lives, destroying them even.

    The corporate oiks!!!

    Peace. : )

  • jovialau

    No 6 How can anyone stuff up a simple joke like that?The answer is………One is a scum sucking bottom dweller ..And the other one is.”A fish”!!!!

  • TerribleTony

    I can’t fap for free anymore? :’(

  • duane

    If he’s a one-man racket, we should do a citizen’s arrest…

  • Kruel Wurld

    Apr 15, 2010 at 14:04 by DeltaPan

    Sorry, skipped a bitin mild anger.

    Should be….

    The majority of filesharers/downloaders are not criminals but ordinary people trying to get by with decent quality of life, not greedy or selfish, losses cited by media industries are utter tosh and many issues are nothing but bunkham and the Commons and Lords have been lied to persistantly.

    Peace. : )

    If the general public stop paying taxes then they’ll listen. Money matters and it sure does talk (DEB is a good example). They’re only interested in the interest of the industry, but not the people, the voters, the tax payers!

  • DeltaPan
  • Hickster

    Enigmax, you are truly an Angel. Excellent article (As usual) You will of course NEVER work for the BBC with an article so well researched as yours. More is the pity

  • dncholas

    i wouldn’t pay them and would be willing to go to court and listen to their weak case against me. Between proving it was really my IP and my IP really did something would be hard enough and then you add IP spoofing and add things like SeedFucker spoofing IP’s or prove for sure it isn’t and the fact that others can use other people’s IP through WIFI and NetBIOS hacks, plus no clear evidence you personally were on that IP doing anything.. they would be hard pressed to prove it in court

  • h33t

    this is what happens when they criminalise the general public

    http://www.h33t.com says very nice piece of reporting dude

  • Ninja

    That no-contract-return-to-sender thing is brilliant! I’m gonna check if it works here, there are tons of spams that I’d love to shove back into the sender’s … Ear.

    Considering the absolute number, 283 against millions of people might seem low. However, each complaint has to be checked carefully in order to prevent errors and point the proper procedure. This demands manpower. Now, if you take into account that this is for ONE case and that are thousands of different sources for other complaints then yes, the number is mind boggling.

    As their reputation grows bigger (and more evil) people will get aware of their methods and will eventually stop sending money. As all other MAFIAA attempts, this will end up being an epic failure =)

  • Akuma

    What’s next ? accusing files sharing ppl with terrorism!!!
    ooh shit that might work!?

  • piratepal

    @28

    You may have a point there even though it sounds obscure, councils are using anti terror laws to spy on us with cameras, this get around the public/private debate, anti terror laws are being used as a basis for more exploitation of us masses than ever before. Another visit to here:

    http://www.pirateparty.org.uk

    Come the day of the revolution!

  • Muhammed Jiihaaad!

    I wish someone would travel to the UK, rent a car, park it across from ACS:Law and when
    Andrew Crossley crosses the street to get some lunch, bam! Put the pedal to the metal and you’ve got yourselves a squirrel sandwich! Problem Solved!

    And if that doesn’t work, pour some salt on ACS:Law…..Isn’t that how you kill LEECHES?

  • DeltaPan

    Leeches have benificial medical uses, you mean parasites matey.

    And plenty of DDT, or in this case a DDT onto the tarmac, wrench up again then a gut wrench powerbomb through the nearest windscreen.

    Peace. : )

  • Andrew J Crossley

    I am not a one man opperation, I have a web wanker (oops type o) Web monkey called Terrence who i have just rented out to the gay porn studios at the cannes festival so we can accuse more innocent victims and get more money. We will own the rights to these films and terrence is willing to use a donought ring for a few months (sore arse and all that)so we can generate more money for us. I will then be able to add films director to my lists of many talents (DJ solicitor champagne popper).

    If only Carling done solicitors!!

  • HelterSkelter

    Good informative article.

    I just wish one of these cases could be heard so a precedent would be set.
    It’s my understanding that unless proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court then you’re innocent.
    How can any of this be proven to that degree? Unless I hand over my laptop, which by the time a warrant was issued wouldn’t be my laptop how on earth can it be proven? IT CAN’T.

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  • DeltaPan

    Summons matey, not a warrent, if any court action was to occur, it’s not a criminal matter, it’s civil court matter which if people fail to appear then it’s likely the judgement would be made against you, then it’s passed to debt collectors, who in turn can request police to be in attendance to collect monies or possessions equal to amounts supposedly owed in case of violence, from there if monies and/or possessions to judgement value aren’t possible it could be converted into a criminal court matter in some circumstances, but rarely unless it’s huge amounts owed, usually peopleare compelled to pay incrementally over a period of time .

    And in the John harris torrent i posted about @17, he explains a few thngs about summons’s as well.

    Peace. : )

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    A good lawyer knows…to NEVER admit when they’ve done something wrong.

  • dave the rave

    @ helterskelter, This is what ACS & Co are relying on because it would cost you a small fortune to have the case heard in a court of law, not to mention the fees involved if you lost. With regards to having your pc/laptop examined their defence would be that its not yours, you have a new one, you download to a portable hard drive etc. We need the law to change and thanks to mady the corrupt madleson that will now take some doing. The only other thing is hopefully the courts will see sence and stop the NPO’s.

  • FatGiant

    So, this “law” firm, is tarnishing the lawyers reputation?

    But, what reputation?

    They didn’t have any to begin with.

    To me the last 3 degrees in the humanity scale are: laweyrs, politics and the last one, politics with law degrees. They are bellow the most heartless assassin, because, after caught, that is the scum that will defend them.

    So, if you ask me (and I am aware no one did… lol) the law businness is just another businness, but, one where the rules are self-absolved.

    Robert Heinlein in one of his books created “The Day Where The Lawyers Were Killed”. Maybe it will not be Science-Fiction for much longer.

    :(

  • Lucky Man

    Anti-Privacy, enough!!!!!! u shoudn’t done high prices in sales in the first place anyways… so im still pirate stuff cuz it is worthless for me to buy stuff anyway… all i need money for buy new tv, new laptop, new bed, new car, new house, new stuff, food, except anything made by MPAA/RIAA… because they already got over billions and they got lot of copying machines anyways why complain about ppl. that’s people got their own laptop, own dvd copying softwares. and u got your own then quit whining. u can still get more ppl to be famous which is more money from Government Grants or get granted with more pay rate for employees which is good… nothing to lose… i know USA or anywhere outside of USA have money plate making daily…

  • Lucky Man

    new dvd should be $9.99 and used should be $5.99
    hard to find movies is $3.99 that’s reasonable prices so who with me? if not then name your prices that should be reasonable for everybody… cuz we all precious about money that keep u survive…

  • Lucky Man

    everybody should be fair not just 50% of rich ppl and 50% of poor ppl just be 100% of ppl to be even… or i will have to get 1 million of dollars refund from RIAA/MPAA for making me becoming poor cuz i pirate lot of stuff… i have job that pay me $7.25…for like 7-9 hours per week… so is that gonna cover me to buy new stuff like $20? then that’s what i thought like i said, i am pirate!

  • DeltaPan

    They used to justify CD and DVD cosing by saying so many industry burns to disk in the high spped machines failed, some tosh about %90 fail rate due to quality of retail disk dyes and high speeds.

    Then 5 years gao Phillips developed a new burning software for manufacturers of Cd/DVD media which gave the inverse, and better, %90 successful burns at high speed.

    But prices have never dropped and development and patent costs etc would have been recouped quick enough.

    The media industry nor games industry has no vested interest in developing retail in the online internet market places, so those purchasing can burn their own digital copies.

    They want to DRM the hell out of digital and keep forcing inflated cost physical media and games/softwares down peoples throats because it’s all profit in a very short time, prefer to fleece the consumer public, profiteering and trying to maintain what are essentially monopolies, same as all the other fracking corporate bodies, banks, power companies, telecomications, subscription TV etc, etc, etc.

    Greedy profiteering oiks who can’t accept the global economic collapse and need for everybody to adjust, means them as well as everybody else in society, by giving consumers fairer prices for their products, we do not exist to be fleeced by greedy sociopaths!!!

    And the law firms who act on their behalf are **prafanity censored** the lot of them.

    Peace.

  • DeltaPan

    Sorry.

    They used to justify CD and DVD cosTing by saying so many industry burns to disk in the high spEed machines failed, some tosh about %90 fail rate due to quality of retail disk dyes and high speeds.

    Then 5 years aGo Phillips developed a new burning software for manufacturers of CD/DVD media which gave the inverse, and better, %90 successful burns at high speed, and only %10 maximum fails.

    Should look before transmit more.

  • Afficianado

    ACS:Law, not a big company, just Andrew Crossley, surely someone can find a way to fuck that little shit over?

  • Afficianado

    Your response is awaiting moderation.

    Any reason why?

  • No Hope for RM

    Apr 15, 2010 at 14:04 by DeltaPan

    Sorry, skipped a bitin mild anger.

    Should be….

    The majority of filesharers/downloaders are not criminals but ordinary people trying to get by with decent quality of life, not greedy or selfish, losses cited by media industries are utter tosh and many issues are nothing but bunkham and the Commons and Lords have been lied to persistantly.

    Peace. : )

    If the general public stop paying taxes then they’ll listen. Money matters and it sure does talk (DEB is a good example). They’re only interested in the interest of the industry, but not the people, the voters, the tax payers!

    Exactly!

  • DeltaPan

    46 Apr 16, 2010 at 00:05 by Afficianado

    Your response is awaiting moderation.

    Any reason why?

    - – -

    I assume that’s at me matey, as mine has been the only comment moderated so far in this thread.

    TF said it was the word d e b t, in the moderation filter blacklist.

    Said the word has been taken out now but i spaced it just in case.

    TF guys wouldn’t specifically censor comment like that for any suss reasons, it was automated and it may be spam comment related why it was included in the blacklist, so fair enough.

    I emailed E r n e s t o & E n i g m a x and it was passed immediately after getting my email.

    TF are the good guys, don’t worry, not trying to stop people making sense or anything.

    Peace.

  • Catfish UK

    @22 Doh! I knew it wasn’t correct, thanks

  • Whatever

    @8 and more numbers… deltaplan

    It’s like you’re pat condell who moved from religion to filesharing :-)

    I’ll explain, long texts with “peace” at the end.

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