Adult Torrent Sites Lose Ground to PornTubes
Written by Ernesto on December 30, 2008BitTorrent and porn go hand in hand, so to speak. When Bram Cohen, the inventor of the protocol wanted to test his application in the wild, he used adult content to do so. In the years that followed, many BitTorrent sites specializing in adult content gained millions of visitors, but in the past year, usage has dropped.
Three years ago it was virtually impossible to stream adult content online – without a credit card that is. At that time, the member count of adult BitTorrent communities rose fast and hard, with some amassing hundreds and thousands of members.
Two of the largest adult BitTorrent communities are Empornium and PureTNA. Both sites have well over half a million members, and these giants are a thorn in the side of the adult entertainment industry. Copyright issues don’t seem to be the largest threat for these sites though – adult YouTube-type spinoffs are – and they are taking over quickly.
Streaming adult content appears to be much more appealing to the Internet user out for a quick fix. They are easily accessible and offer instant gratification, with many not even requiring the user to sign up. While some would argue that the wait for a complete download is half the fun, the majority of the porn surfers are not interested in such foreplay.
The popularity of these streaming sites didn’t go unnoticed at the adult BitTorrent communities either. Both Empornium and PureTNA have launched their very own ‘tube’ alternatives, realizing that’s what the public seems to want nowadays. Not without success too, as the streaming sites they launched are outgrowing the BitTorrent sites in number of visitors.
PureTNA is currently hiring for their streaming site, and they have some interesting job offers. They are looking for a part-time porn expert with “encyclopedic knowledge of Porn Stars, Labels, Studios and the Adult Industry”, among other things, hoping to expand the site even further.
It is interesting to see how quickly these torrent sites have adapted to the demands of the market. Hollywood could learn a thing or two from them, as instead of aggressively promoting their old technology, they simply acted in response to the public’s demands.
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It is an embodiment of "no need for big-industry."
Seems that even the porn industry is slow in meeting the demands of it's customer base…
Lol I guess you can not beat "free". Whats the saying..ah yes "Why pay for something when its already free?". Well I guess if someones making the same thing as another person and the only difference is that one person charges money for it and the other guy doesn't even want your money then why, why pay for it?. Ah logic, to bad they do not teach it in schools because I can tell you right now that their are a lot of people out their that would benefit from thinking about things every now and again.
To bad less people seem to understand such things like how the distribution model (like what EA games and ITunes uses) for things like movies, games and music is completely flawed as the people who make the content don't make the money, the people who distribute it do, and that's bad for me as a consumer who pays more because of this, and the developers as they're only making over companies rich by letting them distribute their content.
It just seems wrong to me that someone creates something and then has to go to someone like apple to get them to distribute it over itunes. Then Itunes sells the song for like say $1. Now out of that $1 $.30 goes towards the studio/record label or whatever it is this step is called. Then out of that $.30 like $.10 goes to the person after the studio/music label takes his share. And then people like apple go and say where the bad guys for pirating the song. And it doesn't stop their no. Apple even says that content makers are losing because of "us pirates". Now it seems to me that their hurting more from apple than us. If apple takes like 70% of the sales money and like %10 goes to the artist then for every copy they sold we could download 7 copy's if 1 download counted as 1 unit of sales. And doing that we would be just breaking even in terms of the amount of money us "pirates" and companies like apple are stealing from the artists. And how can they say where stealing from artists when most of the money lost in sales would have gone to companies like apple who do nothing, not the artists.
And their is no way that EA games can try and say that they are the good guys when EA games is busy creating DRM that literally stops people from playing the games they purchase. And then the only way to play the game is to buy it again or download it. These greedy corporates are pathetic, all they care about is money and how they can avoid work, even if it involves more work than just doing the work.
"Streaming adult content appears to be much more appealing to the Internet user out for a quick fix."
More like a quick tug…
LOL!
Honestly, I do feel a *little* guilty about the whole tube sites (other than youtube) and if it was anything other than porn they would have not been able to get away with it (imho).
Imagine a tube site that streams nothing but blockbuster movies…
or another tube site that streams nothing but the latest TV eps…
you would have a whole lotta lobby backed scumbags making a big noise and DMCAs flying everywhere, but because its porn.. few want to get their hands dirty (open pun, make up your own joke ;p ) so few will support it.
Heck, in this day and age you cant even stream music as you want it to the masses without the likes of the RIAA and their fellow scumbag organizations trying to slap you with lawsuits and C&Ds… but because its porn, its alright.
On the other hand, the adult industry regularly screws everyone (pun intended) so maybe its time they got a bit screwed themselves :))
Cheers!
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HEY! im juslike every other guy in this world ,i liketo watch a lil p0rn now an then, an downloading it always seemed to be a bitch taking forever to finish a movie , i welcome these streaming site`s most have a wide viriety of adult content to choose from now(MILF,lesbo,group,etc)so when the mood strikes me i jus click on my fave streaming site(Lupaland) do my "busness" then go to bed………….
yea i jack off on redtube all the time
Plus, nothing sucks quite like finally getting that download done only to find out the vido you just got sucks donkey balls (Hopefully not literally… unless you're into that, but I digress) with streaming sites if a video isn't "doing" it for you then you can easily move to a new one with no time or resources lost.
BTW, is it overkill to have 5 tabs open with 5 different streams buffering so that I can change the scene at a moments notice with no loss of skin time?
PS – The internet is made for porn.
Why doesn't the industry just adapt. This is a new age where information flows freely. No matter what you do you cant stop it. Its time for them to get creative and find new ways to make money from the industry. The people that use their content are making money by putting up the sites that use their content.
Why don't don't they just do the same so they can get a piece of the pie. No Pun Intended.
http://www.p2ptechtime.com
There's a couple that stream TV shows. They have the newest episodes up within a day. I forget the URL, but my brothers use one of them rather often.
lol rose fast and hard… yeeaah just like on your mom
http://www.pornzapp.com
point missed is that porn industry is has been, like record industry. amateur is the best and getting better. and lots of it is free.
thanks for the porzapp headsup
I’ve looked at the various adult streaming sites. I can’t recall seeing any clip that was longer than 2-3 minutes. No full movies, no full video shoots from pay sites, just little short promo clips. Not to mention that fetish material is sorely lacking on these sites.
I don’t know about streaming porn….seems like it is only available as flv…..and I for one can’t stand this format….convert it to dvd and it looks really crappy….flv….rm….wmv….formats to stay away from….give me divx(xvid) anyday.
"Ah logic, to bad they do not teach it in schools because I can tell you right now that their are a lot of people out their that would benefit from thinking about things every now and again."
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Looks like they don't teach grammar or spelling in school either…
@5 Rekul
you’re doing something wrong … most sites i know are full of 20-30 minutes films. streaming is basically made for pr0n, what better solution could there be to the ever annoying problem of desperately waiting for a download to finish :D?
@6 flv hater
it’s a problem of streaming not flv. streaming = low bit rates = looks shitty on big screen TVs. also many original porn clips are encoded in those crappy formats like wmv, hardly ever see proper xvids not to mention h264 there.
News to me!
Would really appreciate a URL if you get it…
Thanks!
R
“Imagine a tube site that streams nothing but blockbuster movies…
or another tube site that streams nothing but the latest TV eps…”
there are already maaaany of them. of course they don’t host the content but only embed it from other sites but they are hugely popular at least where i live at. kino.to, a pure warez streaming site, is #78 in germany :> (http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?cc=DE&ts_mode=country&lang=none ) . higher than any torrent site.
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“Hollywood could learn a thing or two from them, as instead of aggressively promoting their old technology, they simply acted in response to the public’s demands.”
Brilliantly said, Ernesto.
GERMANY IS FOR NAZIS
"all they care about is money"
Indeed, very much a problem. This kind of "money" model can work for areas where people do not care about much about the product itself, like farming, mining, &c. other than its usage. However, for things like games, shows, movies, music, &c., it is actually people care for (they are called "fans"), because it is not something to be "used," but is rather something that people put into their minds, and to exchange ideas about (which is usually called "fandom"), even if it is only a 10-minute enjoyment. When the people in charge of these care only money, and do not care about the value of the game/show/music/&c. itself, then culture can only become more abysmal – neglected, uncared for, &c. – at least by the people who "own" it, since they have no interest in it other than making money.
Here is a simple solution: extend the definition of fair use to include all non-commercial usage and non-commercial derivative works (effectively putting the usage of websites like The Pirate Bay into the category of "fair use"). If it makes sense to say that using The Pirate Bay is "fair use," then it is a doubtlessly a good policy to extend the definition of "fair use" in such a way that using The Pirate Bay shall fall into the category of "fair use."
beyond your own self-interest
Speak for yourself, hired industry advocate.
artists are not moving away from this traditional distributiuon model
FALSE
This also makes your argument of quality having something to do with who owns the rights rather silly as the distirbutors are most often not having anything to do with making the content they own
There is no need anymore for these middle-men. They only make the culture more abysmal. Now stop being a Nazi apologist.
Your argument doesn't make sense: in the case of games, movies & music it has *always* been this model so why is it becoming worse
It has always been becoming worse.
Hey lets all post your fav porn website :)
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"all they care about is money"
Indeed, very much a problem. This kind of "money" model can work for areas where people do not care about much about the product itself, like farming, mining, &c. other than its usage. However, for things like games, shows, movies, music, &c., it is actually people care for (they are called "fans"), because it is not something to be "used," but is rather something that people put into their minds, and to exchange ideas about (which is usually called "fandom"), even if it is only a 10-minute enjoyment. When the people in charge of these care only money, and do not care about the value of the game/show/music/&c. itself, then culture can only become more abysmal.
I always wondered about this one particular site called "myfreepaysite", and how they get around these legal issues. As far back as I remember, they've been online since 2005, and most of their money comes from advertising, and doing deals with smaller porn companies.
PureTNA and the likes should probably look into doing something similar. Once you see the porn industry doing that, the RIAA and MPAA will wake up and realize what's going on finally.
Oh, XnXX all the way for me :)
"When the people in charge of these care only money, and do not care about the value of the game/show/music/&c. itself, then culture can only become more abysmal – neglected, uncared for, &c. – at least by the people who "own" it, since they have no interest in it other than making money"
Your argument doesn't make sense: in the case of games, movies & music it has *always* been this model so why is it becoming worse – "more abysmal – neglected, uncared for". It isn't as though you are able to compare it to a time when this system wasn't in existence – and content was "better" because of it – because it always has been there.
Also, distribution companies are not interested in distributing content that people will not like (and then purchase)… this certainly IMHO leads to a great reluctance to take risks with new types of material and genres but I fail to see that entities involved in distribution are of the position of not "caring" about what they distribute. This also makes your argument of quality having something to do with who owns the rights rather silly as the distirbutors are most often not having anything to do with making the content they own.
Artists use this distibution system because they wish to get paid and they do get paid: if this is not the case why is it that with alternatives available – eg. p2p – artists are not moving away from this traditional distributiuon model. Please do not try to pretend you know something that artists do not beyond your own self-interest.
Also your argument fails to take into account the fact that most content, film-wise and a lot of other content is made completely independent of any distributor. Distributors pick up rights after content is made in this case, often competing with each other to obtain the rights: after all, your agument also fails to address why almost no artists and content producers seem to look anywhere else barring the current distibution system.
"Then Itunes sells the song for like say $1. Now out of that $1 $.30 goes towards the studio/record label or whatever it is this step is called. Then out of that $.30 like $.10 goes to the person after the studio/music label takes his share. And then people like apple go and say where the bad guys for pirating the song."
Please do not make up figures to support your argument. Making up facts renders your argument nothing more than a fictional self-justification. Now, how about your actually do a little research and provide us links with the actual profit breakdowns rather than making up stuff.
"Now it seems to me that their hurting more from apple than us."
What? So someone that pays some portion of money to them from a sale to a consumer is "hurting them" more than someone who pays nothing but still consumes the artists work? How? Because all I see is one consumer that the artist recieved money from and one consumer that the artist recieved nothing from Get a grip on reality dude…
It pisses me off when pirates actually try to say thay are "helping the artist". I dont pay a cent but I also dont delude myself that this is beneficial to the artist.
RIAA makes 70c per iTunes download as stated here: http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/49727.html
It's not written in this article but the remaining 29c is split between the Artist and Apple. During the last threatened iTunes price increase it was the artists trying to get a larger share. Apple shot it down because raising prices could kill the paid download market. Apple can't decrease their share because all of it goes to maintaining the servers (they profit off the iPod not the music).
And the Labels? Were they willing to decrease their share so that artists can increase theirs? Wahaha! No.
The moral is: most artists get paid by being as close as possible to their audience. That means cutting the middle man as much as possible.
Funnily enough I’ve deleted most of my pr0n because streaming is now so easy.
I don’t just don’t seem to care about 720p video with lossless audio when I’m masturbating.
I never saw the point of downloading hour-long, full length porn films just to jerk off. Usually a 5-10 minute clip is all one really needs imo
Your numbers are closer, but still a bit off – in particular, the labels pay the artists. Here's the breakdown:
For a 99 cent track, the labels collect 67 cents, out of which they pay the royalties to the recording artist, the composer, etc.. The other 32 cents is retained by Apple to cover operating costs, credit card processing fees (about 10 cents per transaction, which is why Apple would rather sell pre-paid $20 cards than individual tracks), marketing, etc., and to make a profit.
Thanks!
Can you say "wrong, misinformed and inappropiately targeted"?
The people who download scene-by-scene rips of their favorite movies, studios and stars in high resolution or even high-def 720p+ are quite certainly not the same crowd looking to get "a quick fix" of jerky, buffering, recompressed wmv shit. Sorry, but just superbly misdirected article.
Pr0n sites, at least those that I am talking about, will never have to fear a second of "competition" as in taking from them, as their offering simply caters to a wholly different need.
If you just need a 3 minute wank, then you can do whatever, google yourself 50 pics, go to a random picsite of the thousands out there or to any xxx tuber. But the pr0nateer that I know will have terabytes and terabytes of his stars and fuck flixx. That's just how it is, nigger.
So fuck all the propaganda bullshit.
RIAA, MPAA and the porn industry are probably diffrent side of the same piramid.
stream servics seems to kill toorents
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