Comments on: AFACT v iiNet: Day 8 – Anti-Piracy Evidence Lacking http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Fri, 25 May 2012 05:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: PennysDad http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607998 PennysDad Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:34:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607998 Sadly, I think iiNet's lawyers just aren't up to it, or they would've had the case thrown out of court by now. Let's face it everyone, there IS a whole lot of pirating going on, but you can't hold the ISP's responsible. It's like trying to hold Oil Companies responsible for car accidents, isn't it? It's many of us, the end users, that are doing the wrong thing, and yelling the loudest. Yes, I s'pose I'm just as bad as some too, sorry. .... but by the same token, companies are claiming huge losses due to pirating and bit torrents, yet their profits and pay outs to share holders don't seem to support that claim. They are still cleaning up, and all the CEO's seem to be still doing OK. Let's change the focus on how legal THEIR affairs are. How many musicians and associated industry workers etc, do all the work, only for the cream being taken off the top, and distributed amongst all those that DON'T deserve it. eg, CEO's and share holders..... So is pirating and bit torrenting really the issue or is it just a way to keep everybody's focus from what's really going on? Sadly, I think iiNet’s lawyers just aren’t up to it, or they would’ve had the case thrown out of court by now.
Let’s face it everyone, there IS a whole lot of pirating going on, but you can’t hold the ISP’s responsible.
It’s like trying to hold Oil Companies responsible for car accidents, isn’t it?
It’s many of us, the end users, that are doing the wrong thing, and yelling the loudest.
Yes, I s’pose I’m just as bad as some too, sorry.
…. but by the same token, companies are claiming huge losses due to pirating and bit torrents, yet their profits and pay outs to share holders don’t seem to support that claim.
They are still cleaning up, and all the CEO’s seem to be still doing OK.
Let’s change the focus on how legal THEIR affairs are.
How many musicians and associated industry workers etc, do all the work, only for the cream being taken off the top, and distributed amongst all those that DON’T deserve it. eg, CEO’s and share holders…..
So is pirating and bit torrenting really the issue or is it just a way to keep everybody’s focus from what’s really going on?

]]> By: Annie Moose http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607900 Annie Moose Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:07:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607900 With all this new information proving AFACT is lying, inflating the evidence, and has no case to begin with, I can't imagine how an unbiased jury could ever possibly charge iiNet. Of course, the court systems are all biased, but there's always a chance! There's always a chance. With all this new information proving AFACT is lying, inflating the evidence, and has no case to begin with, I can’t imagine how an unbiased jury could ever possibly charge iiNet.

Of course, the court systems are all biased, but there’s always a chance! There’s always a chance.

]]> By: Fixer109 http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607839 Fixer109 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:40:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607839 Just a thought and maybe you may put put me dowm as scaremonger but: Are the supossed superpowers using these cases (and funding them) to allow DPI ( deep packet inspection) to become law so in the end we will have no privacy at all. Here in the UK there is already a law authourising the courts to oblige to give away your passwords for encripted files so that the 'police' can acertain whether you are using this for distribution of child pornography or planning terror attacks. Where is you privacy now! lets go out and fight for our demogaphic right to have privacy on the Internet and stop all these scare tactics used to take this away from us Just a thought and maybe you may put put me dowm as scaremonger but:

Are the supossed superpowers using these cases (and funding them) to allow DPI ( deep packet inspection) to become law so in the end we will have no privacy at all.

Here in the UK there is already a law authourising the courts to oblige to give away your passwords for encripted files so that the ‘police’ can acertain whether you are using this for distribution of child pornography or planning terror attacks.

Where is you privacy now!

lets go out and fight for our demogaphic right to have privacy on the Internet and stop all these scare tactics used to take this away from us

]]> By: Ibbatarab http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607791 Ibbatarab Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:58:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607791 If I were not already locked into a contract with another ISP I would give serious thought to subscribing to iiNet for fighting this case. ISP's should not be held accountable for what their customers do with bandwidth that they have purchased. If I were not already locked into a contract with another ISP I would give serious thought to subscribing to iiNet for fighting this case.
ISP’s should not be held accountable for what their customers do with bandwidth that they have purchased.

]]> By: Yo http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607713 Yo Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:05:33 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607713 I agree that the case has no merit for a number of reasons, but I'm not a prize fighting kangaroo judge down under. I agree that the case has no merit for a number of reasons, but I’m not a prize fighting kangaroo judge down under.

]]> By: theAntagonist http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607697 theAntagonist Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:17:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607697 Judge Judy would have said that this is bullshit and the case thrown out of court long. Judge Judy would have said that this is bullshit and the case thrown out of court long.

]]> By: suomynonA http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607696 suomynonA Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:37:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607696 @Yo I've heard it said before that emotional arguments tend to win, not factual. @Yo

I’ve heard it said before that emotional arguments tend to win, not factual.

]]> By: Pook http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607670 Pook Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:17:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607670 Isn't submitting evidence that you know to be inaccurate a crime in Australia? Surely it is...The case really should have been kicked out & AFACT should have been charged costs. Isn’t submitting evidence that you know to be inaccurate a crime in Australia?

Surely it is…The case really should have been kicked out & AFACT should have been charged costs.

]]> By: matt http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607647 matt Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:03:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607647 @18, "we have a claim and it's not based on fact" will not tide well with the judge. Considering that iinet is not a normal citizen who is bled dry as they sue them, I put all money on iinet not losing this case. @18, “we have a claim and it’s not based on fact” will not tide well with the judge. Considering that iinet is not a normal citizen who is bled dry as they sue them, I put all money on iinet not losing this case.

]]> By: Yo http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607641 Yo Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:47:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607641 The only problem I see with these arguments is that courts, in general, don't like when the truth and facts are complicated. Court wants everything to be reduced to some "common sense" type of BS such that court can claim that they made a clear judgement based on the "facts". If they can't do that, they simply ignore evidence and rule on "intent" because it's much easier to pass off one's beliefs as "facts" in this case. The only problem I see with these arguments is that courts, in general, don’t like when the truth and facts are complicated.
Court wants everything to be reduced to some “common sense” type of BS such that court can claim that they made a clear judgement based on the “facts”.

If they can’t do that, they simply ignore evidence and rule on “intent” because it’s much easier to pass off one’s beliefs as “facts” in this case.

]]> By: Ninja http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607628 Ninja Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:39:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607628 From the development of the case till now there is little doubt iiNet cannot be held responsible for the so called infringements. I do hope this doesn't fall on the users. If it does, I hope they are prepared to defend themselves. There are examples of successful file sharers in this MAFIAA vs All war. Once you prove that you actually buy what you download, that you actually watch movies on the cinema even when you get some leaked version then there is little MAFIAA can do to stop a decision not favorable to their pockets. Unless you are unlucky enough to get biased people to judge you like in TPB's case.... From the development of the case till now there is little doubt iiNet cannot be held responsible for the so called infringements. I do hope this doesn’t fall on the users. If it does, I hope they are prepared to defend themselves.

There are examples of successful file sharers in this MAFIAA vs All war. Once you prove that you actually buy what you download, that you actually watch movies on the cinema even when you get some leaked version then there is little MAFIAA can do to stop a decision not favorable to their pockets. Unless you are unlucky enough to get biased people to judge you like in TPB’s case….

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]]> By: SomeGuy http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607612 SomeGuy Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:37:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607612 How can they expect ISP's to monitor such a thing? Bittorrent isnt illegal and can be used for filesharing of files that people do have the rights to. There is no way of determining if the files being shared are illegal or not, without downloading or catching the user in action. Personaly i cant see AFACT winning this case. How can they expect ISP’s to monitor such a thing? Bittorrent isnt illegal and can be used for filesharing of files that people do have the rights to. There is no way of determining if the files being shared are illegal or not, without downloading or catching the user in action. Personaly i cant see AFACT winning this case.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607611 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:36:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607611 No justice no peace. No justice no peace.

]]> By: Widget http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607603 Widget Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:05:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607603 @8, ISP's aren't usually in favor of net neutrality, they just don't like having to pass on Cease and Desist letters to their customers. Net neutrality just means they can't slow down p2p traffic on their networks, and ISPs absolutely hate having to spend money on hardware (or on anything else for that matter) @8, ISP’s aren’t usually in favor of net neutrality, they just don’t like having to pass on Cease and Desist letters to their customers. Net neutrality just means they can’t slow down p2p traffic on their networks, and ISPs absolutely hate having to spend money on hardware (or on anything else for that matter)

]]> By: knux http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607600 knux Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:52:10 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607600 @1 Tons of court systems do this for numerous reasons. Holidays, schedule conflicts, whatever... It's not like it makes much of a difference, they come back, do a recap of everything in the case and then continue. @1

Tons of court systems do this for numerous reasons. Holidays, schedule conflicts, whatever… It’s not like it makes much of a difference, they come back, do a recap of everything in the case and then continue.

]]> By: a/s/l http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607594 a/s/l Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:47:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607594 this is bollocks. we all know what the outcome is going to be. it doesn't matter how crappy the evidence is presented by AFUCT, or how bent the judges are, or how many outside interests the prosecutors have, it will go in the favour of AFUCT. it always will. and if it doesn't they will appeal until it does; they are the ones with the money and will pay until they get their way so the anti-piracy ruling becomes precedent in law. this is bollocks. we all know what the outcome is going to be. it doesn’t matter how crappy the evidence is presented by AFUCT, or how bent the judges are, or how many outside interests the prosecutors have, it will go in the favour of AFUCT. it always will. and if it doesn’t they will appeal until it does; they are the ones with the money and will pay until they get their way so the anti-piracy ruling becomes precedent in law.

]]> By: Day 8 – Anti-Piracy Evidence Lacking | TorrentFreak (via postie) | Kantaas.Com http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607592 Day 8 – Anti-Piracy Evidence Lacking | TorrentFreak (via postie) | Kantaas.Com Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607592 [...] AFACT v iiNet: Day 8 – Anti-Piracy Evidence Lacking | TorrentFreak [...] [...] AFACT v iiNet: Day 8 – Anti-Piracy Evidence Lacking | TorrentFreak [...]

]]> By: Capn http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607591 Capn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:32:20 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607591 @10 - No-name Sadly, you're probably right. Any fool can see that iiNet is innocent as court of law requires the plantiff to prove them "guilty without a reasonable doubt" @10 – No-name

Sadly, you’re probably right. Any fool can see that iiNet is innocent as court of law requires the plantiff to prove them “guilty without a reasonable doubt”

]]> By: No-name http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607581 No-name Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:13:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607581 I have a feeling that even if we think iinet is "winning" in the end it'll be like TPB, the judge will probably be corrupted and AFACT will get out of this with what they want. I have a feeling that even if we think iinet is “winning” in the end it’ll be like TPB, the judge will probably be corrupted and AFACT will get out of this with what they want.

]]> By: Xcel http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607579 Xcel Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:05:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607579 #7 How adorable! An ISP that fights for their own subscribers rights. :D As it should be, we need more iinets!! but I believe in this case they really have little choice, their own defense forces them to fight for their subscribers... I have said it before, help your ISPs out by protecting yourselves as well... #7
How adorable! An ISP that fights for their own subscribers rights. :D

As it should be, we need more iinets!! but I believe in this case they really have little choice, their own defense forces them to fight for their subscribers…

I have said it before, help your ISPs out by protecting yourselves as well…

]]> By: UNO_DEI_TANTI http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607561 UNO_DEI_TANTI Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:08:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607561 ISP usually fight for net neutrality, they don't want to pay for majors and goverments pushing for DPI and they don't want to see their customers give bad reviews. Majors have shareholders wanting something to be done without having a clue about all that networking thing. Govs just want an excuse to make a law in which to put massive profiling and make it legal. ISPs are the ones that pay the more, buying sniffers, keeping databases, employing people and such. ISP usually fight for net neutrality, they don’t want to pay for majors and goverments pushing for DPI and they don’t want to see their customers give bad reviews. Majors have shareholders wanting something to be done without having a clue about all that networking thing. Govs just want an excuse to make a law in which to put massive profiling and make it legal. ISPs are the ones that pay the more, buying sniffers, keeping databases, employing people and such.

]]> By: redmarine http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607549 redmarine Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:29:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607549 How adorable! An ISP that fights for their own subscribers rights. :D How adorable! An ISP that fights for their own subscribers rights. :D

]]> By: Anthony http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607546 Anthony Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:59:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607546 Best luck to you, iiNet! Best luck to you, iiNet!

]]> By: hell yer http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607542 hell yer Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:53:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607542 haha good now for their imprisonment and Extradition to Geneva for their charges of violation of human rights. thats what should happen all persons evolved no matter how small should be punished for this dispikable regard for human rights. wont be long now, thier liveing in a just like hittler soon they will be finished. ummm i don't remember a spectacle like this for the ice-men who were put out of business because of white good manufactures. seriously we don't need people like this in peaceful world. creativity is art not a job GET OVER IT! and whats more its not worth any life or prosecution. thankyou inet for sticking up for the real reason minded and sticking it the fat greedy 60 children who now run fascist corps. what ever happened to free love ? a fact ? whant a fact ? afact are hitters children, well done fellas hitter would be proud. haha good now for their imprisonment and Extradition to Geneva for their charges of violation of human rights.

thats what should happen all persons evolved no matter how small should be punished for this dispikable regard for human rights.

wont be long now, thier liveing in a just like hittler soon they will be finished.

ummm i don’t remember a spectacle like this for the ice-men who were put out of business because of white good manufactures.

seriously we don’t need people like this in peaceful world.

creativity is art not a job GET OVER IT!

and whats more its not worth any life or prosecution.

thankyou inet for sticking up for the real reason minded and sticking it the fat greedy 60 children who now run fascist corps. what ever happened to free love ?

a fact ? whant a fact ? afact are hitters children, well done fellas hitter would be proud.

]]> By: Gav http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607532 Gav Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:34:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607532 @2 Agreed. I'm starting to hear something more akin to 'common sense' in the last couple of days. iinet FTW. @2 Agreed. I’m starting to hear something more akin to ‘common sense’ in the last couple of days. iinet FTW.

]]> By: BioBen http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607531 BioBen Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:22:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607531 Seems to be going alright... Seems to be going alright…

]]> By: chris http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607530 chris Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:21:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607530 Can't wait for the outcome, good luck iiNet. Can’t wait for the outcome, good luck iiNet.

]]> By: Rob http://torrentfreak.com/afact-v-iinet-day-8-anti-piracy-evidence-lacking-091015/#comment-607526 Rob Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:15:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=17973#comment-607526 Why the fuck do they need 2 weeks off? What the hell is up with court systems these days... Why the fuck do they need 2 weeks off? What the hell is up with court systems these days…

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