Nice discussion here in the comments. And I see Mr Reasoned Mind still fails to understand the other side. Way to go Mr Musician (23, Capn).

Also, nice comments regarding the free softwares. I downloaded Open Office recently and it works wonders. My Office 2007 license didn’t allow me to validate the copy on my 3rd computer. Now, why should I pay for another license if I’m the only one that ever uses those 3 machines? I wonder…

Illegal use that has been proven true, not simply alleged illegal use. There is a big difference. Everyone should be made to live for one month without due process, where the only proof you need is a pointed finger (some countries are like this by the way, though a bribe is generally required in addition to the allegation). Lets see if you still side with AFACT after that. I say we start by disconnecting Reasoned Mind from the internet. I know for a fact he is a hypocrit who actually uses P2P software.

So, again, the case makes no sense.

Once they have taken down iinet then it becomes infinitely easier to take down the big boys in Telstra and Optus.

They chose to fight the 3rd Largest company in Australia, Telstra and Optus are absolutely massive (not sure who parent companies are) and good luck to any company who wants to take them on.

Poor iiNet, AFACT is just picking on the little guy.

So the question has to be why do these people not higher them, I wonder if the tech-savvy ones tell there where they can stick it..

Learn to understand the importance of proof-reading in written articles and the effect is has on what quality ratings it’s given.

That’s only after you move out of mums’ basement.

AFACT just can’t seem to grasp that, just because someone says “no” to them, that doesn’t mean that the person’s broken the law.

For example, how much does it help Michael Jackson now that he’s dead? The MAFIAA still sell his albums, actually they BENEFITED from his death (huge sales increase).

Can people still make money while they’re dead? According to the MAFIAA, yeah they can, pretty awesome if you think that no one actually employs dead people, the normal people who work our asses off.

I’m all for supporting musicians for their music and services (again, MAKING music is itself a service, not SELLING it), not for their exploitation of our pockets. (hey, I’m myself familiar with software programming…)

And if you think that the world still lives in 19th industrial stage, you should adapt to modern stage. Look around for free software and the like (no, not pirated, but really free software), which was unheard of just a few decades ago.

Most of the Linux guys make money from SERVICES, not from exploiting something because they can infinitely supply it without lifting any additional fingers.

Programming is itself a service also, SELLING MULTIPLE COPIES is not.

I am a musician myself. I am not signed to a major label but conveniently I make enough money doing what I do to continue. I play local shows with my band and sell merchandise we manufactured ourselves.

How am I able to afford a $2,000 instrument, travel costs, merchandise, and other costs by charging $5 a ticket? Only God knows I guess because that is not the will of the record label.

The musician matters, and I can tell you understand that but it is not being done properly. Media corporations are the middle man taking their share of the cut (and a decent one at that) for doing something that is no longer needed. The artists can promote and distribute the work themselves!

The test of time has shown us that the good artists will prevail regardless of CD sales. The bad ones that are being carried by labels *COUGH* LILY ALLEN *COUGH* will sink regardless of how they’re propped up.

Also, @10; the case was filed initially because AFACT was accusing them of not following their own ToS. It says that they will not tolerate illegal use of their services but when it comes down they don’t do anything about it.

And that, as we well know, strips the rights from the worker, in our case, the recording artist. You’ve been doomed to fail since Napster. Keep whining about Utopia and see where it gets you.

That’s right, our collective sense of right and wrong tells us that duplicating things leads to an utopian goal. I mean who wouldn’t duplicate food, if he could, to help the starving children all over the world?

You see Reasoned Mind, people who share FOR FREE do so out of sense of morality, because they don’t gain anything and help others for free.

You, buddy, are not entitled to talk about right and wrong and morals here, when we all know you, like the MAFIAA, only support $$$$.

No, it is not moral to pay for something that has infinite supply or you can supply yourself. That’s monopoly greed. Would you pay for air to breathe as well?

Good luck with your griping and “blowing up buildings.” Piracy grows more boring by the moment. “Free” and “you can’t stop me” is so 2001.

@16 – Pretty much. No matter what happens here, we’re going to the Supreme Court when this gets appealed. It’ll go higher and higher until iiNet can’t pay any more, and they’re scuttled under the financial weight of it all.

It’s a dirty goddamn tactic, but it’s probably going to work.

MAFIAA bribes court > Court rules against ISP/Individuals > ISP/Individual make an appeal > MAFIAA bribes again > ISP/Individual gets a more severe sentence

F*ck off

Isn’t this precise case covered under the passive conduit safe harbor clause? Shouldn’t just saying “law precisely states that we are not responsible for what our users do since we are only passive conduit …” be sufficient defense for this case to be thrown out of court? Why should any provider even listen to a private company telling them what to do? Only courts and police have such authority.

So, what exactly is the substance of this case? I somehow can’t find any reason behind this whole trial.

we can only hope for such responses from other isp representatives when such cases are brought to court around the world – as they inevitably will be.

go michael – we’re all rooting for you! (:

Nothing that? Noting? Mentioning?

Right.

who’s afraid of da internets now bainwhore?