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AFACT v iiNet: Day 6 – IP Address Alone Is Not Enough @ blog.idtorrent.org — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:59:14 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 7 – Investigators Condoned Infringement? | InstantIdiocy

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 7 – Investigators Condoned Infringement? | We R Pirates

AFACT v iiNet: Day 7 – Investigators Condoned Infringement? | We R Pirates — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:58:42 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 7 – Investigators Condoned Infringement? - P2P Talk?

AFACT v iiNet: Day 7 – Investigators Condoned Infringement? - P2P Talk? — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:40:51 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 5 – Anti-Piracy Tech is Secret @ blog.idtorrent.org

AFACT v iiNet: Day 5 – Anti-Piracy Tech is Secret @ blog.idtorrent.org — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:59:23 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 6 – IP Address Alone Is Not Enough | InstantIdiocy

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 4 – BitTorrent Deals “Irrelevant” | InstantIdiocy

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By: Killin Gnatsies » AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent

Killin Gnatsies » AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:20:31 +0000

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By: Killin Gnatsies » AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated”

Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:20:06 +0000

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AFACT v iiNet: Day 4 – BitTorrent Deals “Irrelevant” | We R Pirates — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:38:53 +0000

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AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent – FUCK THE RIAA — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:23:49 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated” @ blog.idtorrent.org

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:59:23 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated” @ blog.idtorrent.org

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:59:23 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent | We R Pirates

AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent | We R Pirates — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:58:57 +0000

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AFACT v iiNet: Day 3 – Studios Promoted BitTorrent - P2P Talk? — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:00:44 +0000

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By: x3dt

x3dt — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:43:03 +0000

@ Bassius

Well, I said that I didn’t know the actual numbers… But still $100 is obscenely expensive for that kind of traffic. The trouble with developed countries (case in point – Australia, US, the UK, etc.) is that the infrastructure was built early when these kind of technologies were very expensive, so capital cost is very high and ROI very low. Now, what are labeled “developing” countries started building the infrastructure much later with cheaper, faster, and more reliable technology. For example where I live we pay about AU$25 for a 50 mbit (~6 MB/s) line with unlimited traffic. The optical infrastructure (yes, optical, not copper) country-wide is maybe 10-12 years old, so you can imagine it was much cheaper to build than 30-40 years ago, hence higher speeds at lower price is possible.

By: AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated” – FUCK THE RIAA

Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:22:53 +0000

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By: Well...

Well... — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:22:11 +0000

This is a bit like suing alcohol breweries for drink driving.

By: Caleb

Caleb — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:35:05 +0000

Where would it end, if ISPs were found to be responsible for the actions of their customers? If someone were to send a private email that contained incriminating data, would the ISP then be responsible for not doing anything about it? It follows the same logic as this case.

This is like.. if you went to hospital for an operation, and the hospital said you couldn’t have a room because all their rooms were booked, that you then attempted to sue one of the other patients, because they knew that someone else could use the room, regardless of if they needed it for their own operation.

This is going to end badly for everyone, regardless of the outcome.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:20:26 +0000

Think of the children sue the record industry for nurturing criminal behavior in our children after all they make the product that starts the criminal behavior in the first place don’t they.

Music should be outlawed as drugs are.

By: Bassius

Bassius — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:07:38 +0000

@ x3dt

I can tell you now, australia has no such thing as a 200 GB plan, from any ISP. We pay an obscene amount for our data, about $100 for between 25 to 80 GB per month, depending on the ISP. The highest data allowance would be around the 120 GB mark and the speeds are inferior to the majority of other developed nations.

By: x3dt

x3dt — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:51:40 +0000

@57 – Dan
It does make sense, since as far as I know most ISPs in Australia actually charge on bandwidth(i.e. – you have 15, 50, 200 GB monthly packages; I don’t know the actual numbers). So if most people stop p2p-ing, they have no use for those 200GB and will revert back to a very basic (and inexpensive) package.

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Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:43:56 +0000

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By: AFACT v iiNet: BitTorrent Piracy Claims “Artificially Inflated” | We R Pirates

Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:59:04 +0000

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Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:59:01 +0000

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By: U U U U

U U U U — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:06:23 +0000

It is culture to pirate. The reasons have been said many times before;

-dvd movies, games etc overpriced
-distribution around world too slow
-all the other reasons stated elsewhere

By: LED

LED — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:49:48 +0000

That cunt Conroy is pushing for this !! – Next it will be car manufacturers being sued when the product runs over somebody – fuckin idiots – better stop making blank DVDs

By: fred

fred — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:46:46 +0000

You wouldnt sue a street for having hookers…

You wouldnt sue road builders for fatal car crashes…

So why would you sue an ISP for piracy?
Sueing ISPs for piracy is a crime

By: diode

diode — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:53:46 +0000

“Bannon went on to argue that iiNet benefits from piracy since illegal downloaders use a lot of bandwidth and the more they use, the more the ISP makes.”

Ahh, I understand. The same way that DVD-R manufacturers benefit from piracy in that pirates do a lot of DVD burning to make illegal copies of music and movies, right? The more movies and albums get burned, the more the DVD-R manufacturers make.

But wait… don’t Sony make DVD-Rs?
Maybe they can sue themselves. Just a thought.