Comments on: All Major Canadian ISPs Slow Down P2P Traffic

By: gird

gird — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:22:01 +0000

It will be better if they don't provide internet at all. They're as evil as the rest of them…blocking ports, and all

By: bird

bird — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:01:48 +0000

No, Telus is as evil when it comes to throttling as any of the others. They do throttle and will stop your internet connection with a stupid message on your browser.

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By: anti cheat

anti cheat — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:40:25 +0000

teksavvy does not throttle because they give users an option to use mlppp that bell does not decode or throttle

By: MusikManiacs

MusikManiacs — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:13:46 +0000

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By: BANANA

BANANA — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:04:34 +0000

im using rogers .. i can download at around 800KB/s and up at 50KB/s for 45 a month.. 203g's over the monthly bandwidth for a total of 263 g's, 203gigs additional usage costs $406 ..DAMN!!!!! *thinks of all the things he coulda done with that money* .. that was last month this month (start jan 21 so 3 days) i have already used 40 gig bandwidth even with a seedbox ..lmao … im surprised i havent gotten a warning yet .. .. anyone know of any isp's who offer unlimited bandwidth under $40? with atleast 500KB/s ( toronto)

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By: iamed2

iamed2 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:37:38 +0000

Really? 'Cause I have ADSL and I regularly reach torrenting speeds of up to 750 kB/s. No throttling either.

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By: kitchen

kitchen — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:40:15 +0000

CRTC will never draw the line. They will for sure make it blury. CRTC is made up of the big 3 isp's

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Going Sane In A Crazy World » Blog Archive » Blame Canada — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:22:38 +0000

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By: The Reality

The Reality — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:28:10 +0000

If you want a service from a company you have to deal with the service you get from that company. Internet access isn't some sort of constitutional right. Like our highways we drive on, it's a privilege. If you don't like what an ISP is doing then start your own company. Seriously, go find some funding, like a couple of million dollars, then create a giant network that spans an entire company. And when some user starts slowing down your entire network from his grandma's basement, let me know what steps you take to address that user.

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January 21, 2009 | next media update — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:05:23 +0000

[...] All Major Canadian ISPs Slow Down P2P Traffic TORRENT FREAK Ignited by the Comcast fiasco in the US, the concept of net neutrality has certainly been brought into the mainstream. ISPs are rarely transparent when it comes to their throttling, capping and otherwise interfering behavior, but in Canada they had to come clean due to a CRTC investigation. The Canadian Radio, Television and Telecommunications Commission is currently looking into the traffic management practices of Canadian ISPs, which came to a head as a result of a dispute between CAIP, and its wholesale provider, Bell. The core objectives of the investigation are to examine the Internet traffic management practices being used, and check that they are in accordance with the Telecommunications Act. Source> [...]

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[...] All Major Canadian ISPs Slow Down P2P Traffic Net neutrality really is the hot topic at the moment. After the FCC slapped Comcast for slowing down BitTorrent users, Canada is now looking into the network management practices of its ISPs. And rightly so, as a CRTC investigation reveals that most of the ISPs in Canada actively slow down customers using P2P applications. [...]

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Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:07:42 +0000

"Evidence for this is where?"

Oh? Did you miss where Rogers throttles P2P traffic regardless of net congestion? Did you miss where all these major ISPs somehow refuse to upgrade their infrastructure when doing so is the exact solution to this "negatively effecting network performance" BS they're moaning about?

Nice try, but the apologist ruitine fails. You can't seed doubt on a scam this flagrant. What's next? Let me guess… Comcast had a legit use for Sandvine?

By: nWo

nWo — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:14:51 +0000

MTS Allstream ftw, upstream i can output 240kb/s max upload, however download sux balls at 600kb/s but its unlimited so can't complain to much :P

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By: cam

cam — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:02:29 +0000

i use Shaw cable here in Vancouver. Been using them for years.

I NEVER get more than 200 KB/S on Torrent downloads (total), and usually my Torrents work at speeds of 50KB/S. HTTP Downloads for me usually run between 100-300 KB/S.

Their whole service is just plain shit.

Does anyone want to tell me how much better an option Telus ADSL would be?

By: Harkonnen

Harkonnen — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:57:31 +0000

I'm sitting pretty right here uploading and downloading unimpeded with Sasktel here in Saskatchewan. No throttling or caps here whatsoever.

By: Yatti420

Yatti420 — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:35:53 +0000

OH and BTW… FOR ALL CANADIANS…Get the utorrent 1.9 beta .. or enable UTP in 1.8.1…

By: Yatti420

Yatti420 — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:34:49 +0000

Acanac is great.. But they rent lines from Bell aswell and since bell throttles their wholesale division that means you 2.. :( … Lines were tooo slow at home and im not risking slow lines at my new place either (toooo far from bell switch center thing etc)…

By: Yatti

Yatti — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:32:44 +0000

This is the one area the CRTC must step in and order a stop to throttling.. There is no way to avoid throttling and I don't like that.. Canada shouldn't be known for having the worst net neutral policy..

By: Free_Torrent

Free_Torrent — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:10:15 +0000

Goddamnit! I knew Shaw was throttling way back when, though Telus doesn't seem so bad. Not sure if its available in my area (of my city) yet.

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By: Television Spy

Television Spy — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:06:57 +0000

Interesting appears that the level of media conglomeration in Canada is even higher then here in the US.

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By: Free Xbox 360 Games

Free Xbox 360 Games — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:03:23 +0000

Great article. I wish they would stop that.

By: SD_Cos

SD_Cos — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:52:33 +0000

The same thing could be said about the Canadian Cablecos. They too have built their networks as monopolies.

By: Bri

Bri — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:46:37 +0000

Bell is NOT a government organization. They were the monopoly phone company in most of Ontario and Quebec until the CRTC introduced competition. However, Bell built a substantial portion of its infrastructure as a monopoly. That is why they should not be permitted to stifle competition by restricting or unduly influencing competitive access to those facilities.

By: Nick P

Nick P — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:28:47 +0000

however, teksavvy supports MLPPP which blocks bell's ability to do DPI and thus circumvents their throttling (i've been using this for several months now with great results)

By: Quebec

Quebec — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:57:05 +0000

Videotron is not, change your title / do your research better.

By: n3l87

n3l87 — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:47:39 +0000

Exactly true. Rogers is the only Cable provider in my area. And I'm not going ADSL, which is basically a fancy way of saying "phone-line".

By: n3l87

n3l87 — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:45:50 +0000

Both Bell and Rogers make you pay when you go over the hard cap they have on their plans. So they've essentially already implemented your suggestion. They are just fucking twats and don't want to give us the bandwidth, even with caps.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:40:17 +0000

Acanac is my ISP and I have no issues with throttling. They provide an SSH tunnel workaround to Bell's throttling so I get full bandwidth on my torrents any time of day.

There is no bandwidth cap on my DSL. The SSH tunnel and my 100 GB of online storage (sftp,ftp) is capped at 300 GB of traffic per month.

Not all ISPs are crap. Just do some research.

By: The Truth

The Truth — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:31:52 +0000

TELUS GPON and ETTS customers get 25mbit down, the highest ADSL2+ plan is 15mbit as of Jan 25th, all customers on legacy dslams can get up to 6mbit.

By: JoP

JoP — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:15:07 +0000

there is no cap on the business plans, in the long run it's cheaper to register a company for 400$ (if you don't already have a company name, that is) than to pay all those extras – i have heard so many stories of people getting HUGE bills because they forgot their bittorrent open over the weekend

By: Christopher Parsons

Christopher Parsons — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:14:49 +0000

Their reasoning is along the lines of "you would be paying, yes, but at the same time there would be massive congestion on the network. They would get to bill *you*, but in the process of generating congestion your might cost *them* long-term customers".

By: Brrr

Brrr — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:08:30 +0000

I'm on Shaw (Using their "Extreme I" service), and I've never noticed any throttling issues. It's at least as fast, if not faster than what my brother gets with MTS.

By: zeromoooooooo

zeromoooooooo — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:57:38 +0000

This also happens to me. They start to throttle all of your TCP ports, but UDP game traffic is fine.

By: Stuart B

Stuart B — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:42:45 +0000

I use Rogers in Durham Region (East of Toronto). While running uTorrent during throttling hours, I am completely unable to browse websites. I can play (UTP games) WoW, CS, Battlenet games just fine, but try to check out TorrentFreak, Yahoo, or WoWHead and the site shows loading until it times out. Everything returns to normal if I exit uTorrent. Same thing happens sometimes when running Blizzard's background downloader which uses BT.

By: Mike Gabriel

Mike Gabriel — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:34:00 +0000

SaskTel does not throttle. Depending on your package is what your upload is limited to. Your download, or lack thereof, could be tied to the port forwarding on your 2wire. With my Extreme package, I am able to attain a 1.2mbps / 100kbps dl/up ratio with uTorrent and Transmission.

By: pissed off

pissed off — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:07:29 +0000

Cogeco …..I pay for my internet I want what I pay for that's it…tell me if your capping my ass down and charge me for what your the cap is not what I might have

a big F u to you cogeco!

By: The Awesome

The Awesome — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:04:57 +0000

That's not true. Telus has more internet customers than Shaw does. I've worked for both companies. Shaw has much faster internet available though… up to 25mb, where as with telus the best you can do is 5mb.

By: physics2010

physics2010 — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:01:10 +0000

"Cogeco considered other options such as metered plans, but these would not solve the network ‘abuse’ by P2P users." So even if I pay for each and every kilobyte I'm still abusing the network? WTF?

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:51:29 +0000

Hey,

i'm confused if i pay to be able to download at 1.2 MB a second thats basically like 1200KB a second. Why do they give me the option to buy it if they can't handle me doing it all the time or whenever i want.. and slow me down.

isn't this considered False Adversitment and stealing since i'm giveing them money for Service A but they are only providing me with Service B.

as a company if they can't handle ppl downloading at certain speeds then why say they offer it.

By: orehitna

orehitna — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:39:42 +0000

correction to my note about my top speed, its a weekly internet radio show, not tv show

By: orehitna

orehitna — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:38:12 +0000

I have shaw, and we do pay extra for the extreme level account, but I have never noticed any throttling issues. My average speeds from reliable trackers are about 500-800 down, and I think the highest I've hit down was 1.9 Mbps (note: this is a torrent of a weekly tv show and is from a private tracker, and I regularly hit over 1 mbps with it. I've only hit 1+ a handful of other times on other torrents.) While I can't argue that they don't throttle, especially if they admit to it, but I can't say that I've ever directly experienced it.

One of the issues with Cable internet speeds is saturation on the node in a person's area, to my understanding. This may have changed with the new DOCSIS implementation, which should reduce the amount of saturation. I don't really know the details any more, so I could be completely off my rocker, so feel free to correct me.

And to the commenter who said Bell owns most of the telephone infrastructure, you are simply incorrect. Bell owns most of the infrastructure in Eastern Canada, predominantly in Ontario and Quebec, and now through the purchase of Aliant, in the maritimes. In the west, it is Telus. This is the same for all of their services (mobile, internet, phone, etc) because they both invested heavily into the infrastructure of their respective territories as government bodies and later as private entities, and it was a ridiculous business move for either to build their own networks in the other's territory when they expanded. This is also why smaller companies rent off of them. Not really important to the subject at hand, but I think it does need clarifying.

By: euphoracle

euphoracle — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:27:02 +0000

Teksavvy pays bell for the lines. You're just adding a middle man.