Demonoid Aftermath: An Open Letter to the CRIA
Written by Ernesto on October 04, 2007In the aftermath of the recent demonoid turmoil, “A former music buyer” posted an open letter to the CRIA - an impressive summary of what’s wrong with the music industry and how they alienate their customers. The RIAA and the CRIA have to rethink their business models, closing down p2p sites does not solve the problem.
To Whom It May Concern at the CRIA:
I have been an avid music collector for many years, and have approximately 1000 CD’s in my collection, not counting albums that I have purchased over the internet and own only digital copies of. I purchase approximately 30-40 new CDs per year. However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid, I have decided that I cannot continue to support this backwards, dysfunctional industry with my money any longer, and as such, I do not plan on purchasing music ever again if it means that one penny goes to your organization.
I listen to heavy metal music, a form of music that “the industry” stopped supporting many years ago, so I have a hard time feeling any sympathy. Sites such as Demonoid have done far more to promote the music I love than your organization or the industry in general has ever done. I can find out about new artists and new releases from artists that are never promoted. I can listen to music from artists that have never been played on the radio, will never be shown on MuchMusic or MTV, and never have a review or even mention of their new album written about in the local newspaper. From listening to this music, I can make an informed decision if I wish to purchase the album or not, as I am not going to gamble $15-20 on something that I haven’t heard anything off of before.
25 years ago, I primarily learned about music from friends who dubbed a copy onto a cassette tape, where I could listen to it and make a decision if I wanted to buy the tape for myself. Now, many years removed from school, my “gang” of friends to share music with has shifted from cassette tapes and the school cafeteria to sharing mp3’s online. I listen to some things that I don’t like, and consequently, I don’t buy those albums. What I do like, I buy, or at least I used to, before your decision intended to stop me from hearing new music.
The industry cries that record sales are down, and blames this all on internet downloading. I won’t be so naïve as to say that internet downloading has no impact on the sales. Downloading has certainly stopped me from making the stupid purchases where I heard one single that I liked and bought an entire album only to find out that the rest of the songs are crap, and the CD sits collecting dust on my shelf. But for every CD that I didn’t buy based on those premises, there are 2 or 3 other CDs that I did buy because I heard of them for the first time on a site like Demonoid.
In the meantime, the music industry itself needs to recognize that they are to blame for sagging record sales. For years, they have been marketing recycled crap, and people are getting tired of it. On the odd occasion that something fresh and new accidentally slips through and gets radio play, the music industry immediately signs a seemingly infinite number of clone bands that makes the “new, fresh” sound boring almost instantly. It seems the music industry doesn’t even care about making or promoting good music any more. Instead, they market a young, pretty face that can dance provocatively and lip-synch well, and push this on the radio stations to play while getting the tabloids to print large pictures of their breasts. If bands like AC/DC or Motorhead were to emerge today, they would never be successful; not because of poor record sales due to downloading, but due to the fact that they’re ugly so the record company wouldn’t promote them, if they picked them up at all. In the meantime, they’re falling all over themselves to promote Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or any teenage tramp that can be airbrushed to look sexy.
The record labels cry about downloading cutting into the profits of the sales of albums. They put out “greatest hits” albums by 20-year olds with 2 or 3 albums under their belts, released with one new track to try and sucker the fans that already have both albums into spending another $20 for one new song, or re-releasing a 3-month old album with a “previously unreleased bonus track”. Then they can’t understand why people aren’t buying them, and cry foul that people are downloading the one new song instead.
I know not only the record companies are crying. Artists that have been around long enough to have enough clout to get a cut of the record sales are concerned about their cut, like Metallica that also clamor that “downloading is evil”, and then go on to sell over 9 million copies of their last album instead of 9.1 million. Boo hoo. Meanwhile, many younger, smaller artists favor downloading, because they know it’s the only way that people will get to hear the music and in turn come out to see their shows, because the record label sure as hell isn’t promoting them. But they can’t say that out loud, can they? If they do, guess which band is going to get dropped by the label?
So tell me, what does the CRIA do to promote metal? Oh, right, you’ve got a link to the top 50 “metal” albums in Canada, which after a quick glance at the top ten this week includes punk acts like Dropkick Murphys, Finger Eleven, and Billy Talent, and rock acts like Nickelback and Queen, but very little that resembles heavy metal. (Perhaps you should ask the Celtic punk band, Dropkick Murphys, what they think of being labeled as “metal”.)
And also tell me, without Demonoid, where would I have found out about bands like Evile or Dublin Death Patrol and made a decision to purchase their album online (because no record store that I have found in Canada carries either one). And god forbid the CRIA would care about the promotion of Canadian talent, such as longtime recording artist Annihilator, which released one of the better albums of 2007. However, I have yet to see their new album sold in any store in Canada, including HMV’s flagship store on Yonge Street in Toronto, and I ultimately had to buy a copy from a UK website. Considering the only place I had heard about this album was having downloaded it from Demonoid, do you really expect anyone to make this kind of effort to buy an album without ever having heard it?
The record labels and CRIA have gone to great lengths to tell us that downloading and sharing music is killing the music industry. Open your eyes and you will see that the music industry dinosaur has already been killing itself for years, and by resisting technology rather than embracing it and using it to their advantage. “Oh, but they have,” you try to insist, pointing to the sites devoted to selling music in mp3 format online. I notice that most of the metal bands I am interested in are still not available through these services. I also notice that buying an entire album ends up costing as much, if not more, than if I went to buy it in the store, even though there are no longer costs of materials or shipping that have to be paid for, and once again, I fail to come up with any sympathy for the music industry. I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.
Sincerely,
A former music buyer
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365 Responses
Pretty kickass! I only buy music directly from the band at shows these days.
my god im happy
And let’s not forget the unholy amount of soundtracks that get produced but never promoted, from movies or otherwise. Were it not to BitTorrent I wouldn’t have even considered buying any of the soundtrack CDs I now have,
CRIA and RIAA are both a joke. It’s a good idea in theory, but there needs to be a serious change in the management.
I completely agree with that open letter! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Nice letter, music fan man. I have also refrained from buying cd and what not simply because the market is flooded my mainstream crap; I’m tired about hearing Rihanna a billionth time on a dance floor or some other rap crap (old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today).
Every time that I do go to a store that sells audio media, I can’t find for the life of me, any trance music. I stay there for hours and I can’t find any, just a bunch of radio crap.
I then come back to the internets to get what I need. I sometimes also have to get my cd’s outside of Canada, like in Europe to get my trance.
|sarc| I congratulate the RIAA and CRIA, way to promote other genres of music.|sarc.end|
I see soo much dance music, unfortunately, its crap that is heard on the radio.
I do hope that the music industry, not the MPAA (I love watching my movies in the theatres), does die in flames or quietly. As well as anti-p2p and ant-piracy orgs., may they die as well.
Would you like an invite to OiNK?
good read. good points.
::Claps::
Well said man! Show them who’s boss!!
In regards to: “However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid…”
We have seen no proof that CRIA is responsible. All we have is Deimos’ word. And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter. Posts like this, while making valid points may not do anything positive in regards to this situation. Attacking Cria may be off base. The thing is to pressure Diemos and his crew to produce or shut the fuck up.
Best piece of anti-establishment porn I’ve jerked off to in a long time!
move to sweden!!! :D
well said, and couldn’t been said better.
its a ture fact.
“…I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.”
I am waiting for this day to come. However, I have a sad feeling that the eras of great bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC are gone forever.
Awesome letter. But It will do fuck all.
Id love to see CRIA faces when they read that :X
“Oct 04, 2007 at 16:30 by sniperQuote sniper
In regards to: “However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid…”
We have seen no proof that CRIA is responsible. All we have is Deimos’ word. And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter. Posts like this, while making valid points may not do anything positive in regards to this situation. Attacking Cria may be off base. The thing is to pressure Diemos and his crew to produce or shut the fuck up.”
^^^^^
retards like this, will get them selves busted and lead to more attacks on the commUNITY. Sniper, you must be wet behind the ears about the subject. cause it sounds like you were still on your moms tit when napster was going down. try to read a little and your next post might make more sense.
to mayor. I see deimos’s little imps are crawling out of their holes. I thoght you morons were afraid of the light. Try going to school and getting an education. Retards like you need to learn how to parse a sentence and then learn how to think on your own and not swallow some dorks propaganda. Then and maybe then, you might make a little sense. But in the mean time, you must be wet in your diaper. Get your mommy to change it for you.
READ THIS, you demonoiders.
this was written by a girl on the official forums who works for canadian government and promised to get to the bottom of things:
This is Crap!!!! I am in the process of getting to the bottom of this. CRIA cannot stop a public tracker service. It just cant happen. I work for a government agency here in Canada and what CRIA is doing is against our rights. We have the right as Canadians to access public information. There is absolutely no way that a non-government body would be able to force an interenet site to stop serving canadian traffic. Unless you are serving child porn or other illegal activity. File Sharing is not illegal here in Canada. I believe that you guys should take the tails out from between your legs and fight back. We canadians dont tolerate being pushed around and told what to do. I know that I already have staff in my office working on this issue as we find it a blatent disregard to our rights as Canadians.
now earlier today she wrote:
I have contacted people at CRIA. This is what I have been told. They have in no way employed any Law Firm to represent them in any matters concerning torrents. CRIA did not have the letter sent. Someone is playing a very naasty joke and I would suggest you show them what they law is about when you unlawfully represent yourself. I would highly suggest that Demonoid contact CRIA direct and let them know about what he had recieved. I know they would love to see the letter. I would also look into seeing if this said law firm actually exsists. Anyways this is what I have found out. I hope this helps you get to the bottom of this.
Cheers
Merrlinne
Just wanted to add I am ashamed to call myself canadian. I sent them an email telling them they will never get another dime from me, and they made me embarrassed of my own country.
I think this letter represents how many canadians feel at this time, me included.
Okay, to Sniper, by your own statement where is this “girls” proof that anything she says is any truer than Demios’ statement about getting a letter from the CRIA? Honestly I rarely use Demoniod, but I don’t see what possible advantage Demios could have in blocking Canadian traffic if he -didn’t- get a letter. What would be the point? If there is one I don’t know about, someone feel free to inform me.
I have read over Canadian law pertaining to this and really cannot find anything solid that says what demonoid does is illegal in this country. Maybe it is possible someone else posed as CRIA ?? I would think Demonoid would look into this in a little more detail before tearing their site down in what seemed to be fear of being under the heat lamp.
The whole thing doesn’t make sense to me, i mean if they were that afraid of being sued why start the site in the first place?
I think there is an underlying reason as to why they are blocking canadian traffic.
working for riaa all these years your letter has caused me to suddenly see the light. clearly the way forward is to enter a state of world communism, in which through sharing everything nobody ever has to do any work.
Wow, eggstew, that was one of the most uninformed posts I’ve ever seen. The ability to sample music before buying it is hardly communism.
[quote comment="180664"]working for riaa all these years your letter has caused me to suddenly see the light. clearly the way forward is to enter a state of world communism, in which through sharing everything nobody ever has to do any work.[/quote]
Yes, when I share music engineers stop building planes, construction workers throw down their shovels, the results for scientific studies magically appear, and “nobody has to do any work”.
The **AA’s need to hire a coupe consultants under the age of 35 to hold their hand while they explore the wonders of the internet.
LISTEN to Merrlinne!!!!! She knows what she’s talking about!!
Don’t just fucking roll over! This is CANADA, Land of the Free, AND home to FREE DOWNLOADING!!
I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again, CRIA has NO jurisdiction in this matter!! So someone is obviously lying!!
PS — Finger Eleven IS NOT PUNK EITHER! Alternative Rock. Plese get it right.
to roald, regarding post 22 and this girl’s proof. Wait for it. People are working on this. As to deimos, he’s either gun-shy and/or not aware of canadian law. All he is doing is keeping the pot boiling by not releasing this alleged letter. By this time, even if he did release it, the validity of said document could be called into question(anybody can create anything at any time, these days). All that is happening is that Demonoid is self-destructing.
i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)
I do not completely agree to this letter.
The writer says that he’s using filesharing networks, because it’s the only place where he’s able to find new music which doesn’t get mentioned on television/newspapers.
Well, there are a lot websites where you can find reviews on music albums (and even of non-mainstream music).
Or what’s about Last.fm? I found a lot new music there. And you can listen to samples for free.
your kinda talking about a drop in the ocean there daniel
They actually talked about demonoid being taken down by CRIA in today’s newspaper. However, they stressed that CRIA’s involvement was still an unsolved matter, since the only hint of it is Demonoid’s own statement.
The journalist contacted the site’s host who assured him that they had received no communication whatsoever from CRIA, and that the decision to shut down Canadians’ access was the site’s decision.
I agree %100 mate, I will continue to release my music for free on many p2p sites, and if people want to pay, then fine, they don’t, well then they don’t.
Bravo!
I am 100% in agreement here - you emphasize my feelings exactly.
RIP Demonoid.
get yourself over to rockbox !!
loads of new and old metal there for ya ;)
yeah… and guess what! I’m still able to get my music on line for free. damn CRi…mumble
FUCKIN RIGHT man. its about time somebody said this.
You got my support mate!
this is to Chris number 6 post!
I would love an OINK invite if you still have one!
etiquette.designs@gmail.com
I don’t know if you are willing, but I promise to keep a great ratio! I have lots of music to offer!
thanks!
Is demonid trying to lose supporters by alienating people or just trying to increase traffic to his site by creating some non-existant controversy?
So many questions and no answers from tight-lipped site owner. I didn’t think CRIA had any power to take down sites. Besides for now they are happy stealing our money by the way of mdeia levy that no artists ever see share of.
I envision the day when no money-grubbing producer whore is left to claim ‘their’ share of the artist’s money, and it is the norm for bands to have their own sites through which you can sample and purchase their music, in a variety of formats (ogg goddamnit) or simply in uncompressed form so we can encode how we choose. “We are damaged”, they claim, when music is downloaded. No, what happens is you don’t get your money for free, so fuck you and find a job where you do actual work. Stop living off the coattails of those with actual talent, you deserve nothing of their gains.
I don’t know who you are, what you look like, and what else you stand for. But I am very, very proud to know Canada has you in our country.
Demonoid say: “We received a letter from a lawyer representing the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and we need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this.
[quote comment="180615"]Would you like an invite to OiNK?[/quote]
Yes I would. I have given invites from demoniod to many of my friends over the past year. And I am angry that demoniod is gone to us Canadians. If you have a extra invite, I would be grateful.
Mac user!
whiteravens01@gmail.com
Bravo! Bravo!
face it and stop pretending we are modern day Robin Hoods and making excuses about no availability of new music, high cost , blah, blah. downloading copyrighted stuff is stealing(from the rich yes)but still stealing and to sweet to resist. Demonoid lately seems to close up shop at the drop of a hat, something else is going on here.
[quote]I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.[/quote]
VERY well said.
[quote]And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter.[/quote]
Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
[quote]I am waiting for this day to come. However, I have a sad feeling that the eras of great bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC are gone forever.[/quote]
One thing I know, if it is going to get better, it is going to get a lot worse first.
What the fuck is with all of those who say that the CRIA has nothing to do with it?
[quote comment="180689"]i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)[/quote]
Lol… I am amazed that an American knows how to live free. You cant step one foot into any state our all intelligence agencies have to know it. They have to know about your library ideas, they can tab in your phone without warrant. You can BUY politics. etc…
Of course its not the only country thats fits in this profile… but I am still happy that I live in a place were I can make choices! I cant wait to vote a pirate party when the European Community calls for voting again.
On topic.
I fully agree with the letter. I would like to add the cinema’s in this world. They are waiting for creating month / year standard fees. Its announced in the Benelux for years now. But it still is only available in the major cities…
I pretty much stopped buying CD’s over 9 years ago. Pretty much for the same reason most people have. One Britney spears is ok, but not 20 of them, as well as 1 Nsync is ok, not 20 of them. All music coming from the mainstream now is crap, plain and simple. Artists now a days do music cause it’s an easy way to get to the top fast, and then drop off and do other things. My main choice of music is Electronic and Metal. They are both on opposite ends of the spectrum but for me they represent true musicians who love the music not for the looks of the artist but by the sounds it makes.
To by~ you say:Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers. Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off. This may be an empty threat, but it is still a threat AND extortion. If an operater is not open AND honest with his clients, then i suggest everybody bail out. Deimos and Demonoid are not open and honest. I hope his site dies and he opens up shop in the US. Then he can have all the fun he never wanted.
Very well said.
[quote comment="180750"]To by~ you say:Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers. Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off. This may be an empty threat, but it is still a threat AND extortion. If an operater is not open AND honest with his clients, then i suggest everybody bail out. Deimos and Demonoid are not open and honest. I hope his site dies and he opens up shop in the US. Then he can have all the fun he never wanted.[/quote]
You are wrong there mate. As a [insert faux sounding job title] I have it from Scotland yard that they take threats to harm of subtraction of ratio or ratios is taken as a death threat on the Queen herself!. I shiver in fear that my ratio will succumb to the madness of all this,,,ohh the humanity!!
Wow. I couldnt agree more. Very well said.
[quote]How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers.[/quote]
He needs to do something just because he runs a site? Nah. And Deimos telling people what happens is not a term that people force him to agree to when they donate.
[quote]Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off.[/quote]
I suggest you look up the definition of extortion. Asking for donations is nothing of the sort.
Everyone knows demonoid is a public tracker. Everyone knows the ratio is often wrong, and meaningless.
Cut off? They don’t ban people from the site for a bad ratio, and even if they did, you can still use the tracker.
I’m confused. Under what legal authority did the CRIA shut down Demonoid to Canadians? Has BMG vs John Doe been overturned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada
Downloading and file sharing passively via P2P was ruled to be legal in Canada under section 80(1) of the Canadian Copyright Act. Was there new legislation?
Absolutely true, exactly as i would have said it. The letter describes me perfectly too, since i listen to heavy metal and only because of demonoid i actually purchased CD’s. Before i was able to find new bands and CD’s trough Pandora.com, but ever since they closed access to Canada (a stupid move by the music industry once again) I had to move on to sites like demonoid where i could find similar bands and listen to full albums to decide weather i purchase it or not.
Also i have to agree with most of the previous posts, there is too much focus on shit music these days. Now its all about this rap crap and britney spears, like give me a break… Well i can say im still a supporter of sharing, and fuck CD’s now because of this stupid move. I think ill move out of Canada to Sweden if this continues…
I would like to point out that the CRIA has made demoniod block canadians from using its site. but am I wrong to think that in canada we have the right to be innocent untill proven guilty?
The CRIA has made all canadians guilty of copyright infringment, I for one have yet to download a song using demoniod.
what about the people who use this site to promote there own wares songs from there band, books they have written, movies that they have made.
Where does it stop, if they get away with this then whats next, you will not beable to make music unless your signed to a recording company??
I find this action extremely disturbing not because I cannot go to demonoid, but because of what presedent it sets and the signs of our times.
I think that all the CRIA has really done is showen a ever growing number of people just what the bigger corperations are trying to do to us and leaving a bad taste in our mouths.
its not like they dont make the money, I ean they get money for every blank CD sold incase you burn music. they just want more and more those huge houses and big cars dont pay for themselves
It might be different if the artists actually got a larger portion of the sales but sadly thats not even the case
maybe next the CRIA will ask the ISP companys for royalitys because we connect to the internet and might listen to a song
welcome to the NWO
Pointless rant really. Using the word “crap” makes it sound unprofessional, and saying “boo-hoo” comes off as the rantings of a petulant 12 year old.
What you said.
Great letter, should be a fun read for the CRIA :D
HEHEH, Canadians get internet poker, but no Demonoid.
First deimos says Brein is after his ass. He moves to Canada. Now he is saying Cria shut him down. Where is he moving to next? I think this deimos person is a nut bar. He’s a paranoid jerk-off. He has delusions that the big, bad wolves are after his skinny little ass. They don’t give a rats ass about some insignificant worm. CRIA did not shut him down. There was no threatening letter. All you have to do is think about the whole situation. There is nothing in Canadian law that would allow CRIA to force deimos (or Dumb-ass)to shut off Canadians. This dumb fucker is lying through his teeth. Deport the idiot back to Yogoslavia. Screw that. Ship him to Iran. Then shut down demonoid, it’s like a bowl of granola - full of fruits and nuts.
Well the CRIA has put it’s finger in the dyke and their are more holes then they have fingers..hehe Hey, me Mr. Cria Man. How’s it feel to be stuck with your finger in the dam knowing full well that the whole damn, dam is coming down on your tiny head..?!!!!
Yes… action and agitation are the way to bring the decrepit old dam down upon their tiny heads….lol
we’ll see how long it takes some pinhead at sony, bmg ect. to figure it out… Anything yet..? how about now…? Still nothing.?!!
AHAHAHAHAHAH OOOOOOH AHAHAHAHHA
The letter is great, and I would put my name on it, but for one omission: you forget to mention that when you download, you actually get lower-quality (less-than-CD-quality) versions of the songs.
Don’t believe the hype!
I agree completely with this letter. I am not a huge user of demonoid but I am sick of the music and movie industries pushing us around. I have stopped watching American movies almost all together and I don’t listen to a single North American artists…at all…not one. Why? I hate it…it’s crap (just as the letter says).
I love Asian movies and music. I love “Gojira” (which got its first uncut release in North America after 52yrs in 2006!), “Battle Royale” (which has yet to see a North American release), and “My Sassy Girl” (a very popular Korean movie from 2001 that has yet to see a release in North America) and “the establishment” makes every move it can to stop me from getting these quality films so that they can push garbage like “Superbad” and “Shoot ‘Em Up” on us again and again.
Now, Asian movies have been making it…in a still very limited way…onto DVD (and even more rarely into theatres…when they do go to theatres its a limited release that goes nowhere near where I live). Now…where do I go…in Canada…to buy the latest Morning Musume single? Where’s BoA, Asia’s biggest music artist right now? What about Japan’s music queen, Ayumi Hamasaki? Aya Matsuura? Ali Project? Berryz Koubou? Hikaru Utada (apart from her two ENGLISH songs from “Kingdom Hearts”)? No where. You can’t buy their music anywhere (unless they do one song for a popular Anime series and the soundtrack for said anime series gets a release here…which is also very rare and usually has to be special ordered into stores because they are not carried in stock). I go to the music section of HMV on Yonge Street and I see Hillary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, and High School Musical CDs. So tell me CRIA…BRIEN…RIAA…where should I go to get my Asian music when the legal form of downloading music is taken from me (and I don’t have a credit card…which is a whole other scandal in itself)?
[quote comment="180775"]Pointless rant really. Using the word “crap” makes it sound unprofessional, and saying “boo-hoo” comes off as the rantings of a petulant 12 year old.[/quote]
Who the hell cares about being profesional?!!!! That’s their culture… We represent that average guy.. We say it as we feel it…. hah..!!!
[quote comment="180810"]First deimos says Brein is after his ass. He moves to Canada. Now he is saying Cria shut him down. Where is he moving to next? I think this deimos person is a nut bar. He’s a paranoid jerk-off. He has delusions that the big, bad wolves are after his skinny little ass. They don’t give a rats ass about some insignificant worm. CRIA did not shut him down. There was no threatening letter. All you have to do is think about the whole situation. There is nothing in Canadian law that would allow CRIA to force deimos (or Dumb-ass)to shut off Canadians. This dumb fucker is lying through his teeth. Deport the idiot back to Yogoslavia. Screw that. Ship him to Iran. Then shut down demonoid, it’s like a bowl of granola - full of fruits and nuts.[/quote]
Looks to me like you’re the one that jumped outa that bowl of granola… The only question is are you a fruit or a not…???
We don’t really know what drove Deimos to his actions. But we do know fighting the powers that be is not easy and I’m sure he has his reasons…
“insignificant worm” builder of the second largest tracker in the world precludes that…. of course ,easy for you to second guess….
Seems to me you’ve been laying in the bowl so long that you think everyone else is a fruit or nut too.. lol
Illegal Downloads are killing the music industry. Even though stealing music is fun, convenient, exciting, and free it should still be avoided.
Just go to the record store…Goody’s got it!
to pal. Nice avoidance job, pal. Do the ad hominem attack rather than discussing the issues raised. Go kiss Dumb-asses ring. By the way, you forgot to add ” your mother is an army boot.” Which she was. And tough as nails too. I repeat- CRIA did not shut himdown. He’s shutting himself down. Imploding. Get a brain and you’d see it. Stop being an imp toady.
Get with the program… Buy music you like direct from the artist for £5 an album when it’s mp3’s… If you *really* like someone who’s CD only get the dead media planet raping disc and share it!
I hate being a Canadian! They try to control what we watch & listen to…How is Canada a free country when the government & the CRIA decides what we can or can’t have…We have crappy satilite companies & crappy phone companies…The US isn’t allowed to use our air space to give us satilite witch ticks me off big time because I can’t get the channel soapnet or the Lifetime channel…My mother went through the 9 months of pregnancy & labour to have me & she doesn’t tell me what I can or can’t watch so what gives the gov & the CRIA the right to control me…They can take there music & every thing & stick it! I own a radio & a tape recorder & a VCR still…I will not be purchasing any thing else of that nature…Screw the gov & the CRIA!
I don’t by music even if I like the band because most of the money goes to the label not the artist. Don’t believe Google, Courtney does the math.
I am not a fan of Radiohead, but I applaud them and the fans that support their new album. Finally, finally someone got it right. In the 21st century record companies are obsolete.
To all compaining about not being able to go to demonoid in canada, it isnt an issue anymore. Just go to http://www.kproxy.com and open the site from there. Im lucky enough that it seems my ISP is redirecting my traffic to appear from out of country because i am in montreal and demonoid works fine at my house, but not at my work
The only thing I would add is the fact that if you DO manage to find a CD out there that isn’t crap, most likely the recording levels are SO HIGH THAT YOU CAN’T EVEN ENJOY IT. Ever notice that there are just no dynamics anymore? Everything is just LOUD, LOUD, LOUD. It’s all made for radio play, which is ridiculous, because radio stations have compressors which reduce the CD’s dynamic range anyway.
I bought 3 CDs last year. This year, so far, none. I haven’t downloaded anything either. So yeah, I may be an anomaly but I’m glad they are going the way of the dinosaur….
“A former music buyer” - Theres power in the truth :)
Great letter mate
Nicely done. I am also an avid metal fan and I agree that demoniod (and kerrazy) are really the only good sites to download metal from. I am like you where I download and then buy and I am glad I do that. Otherwise I would of wasted money on Epica’s new CD or Nightwish’s new CD.
Have you thought about listening to last.fm or listening to the CD via Amazon DRM? While I don’t support DRM or online MP3 sites (iTunes, Amazon) for you it might be the only way.
its like musical civil war demonoid being the North and record industry being the racist South. Pay attention to history and see who is gonna WIN
This aint gonna do jack shit.
fuckin a.
BRAVO!
and BTW Canadian businesses should STOP behaving as if Canada is a colony of the United States.
jesus christ.
There is always the possibility of a gag order put on both Demonoid and the CRIA by a judge. That would explain the lack of information.
~~~~~HOW TO USE DEMONOID IN CANADA~~~~~
Here’s the deal. The block only affects demonoid’s website, not their trackers. That means if you have the torrent files, you can still use demonoid.
The solution is to use UltraSurf (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ultrareach.com%2Fcompany%2Fdownload.htm&ei=lIsFR_uJK5eqwwLN7czXAw&usg=AFQjCNEj3aKWEsDm_bJQR_v9Nf_ffpwt1A&sig2=uKH-ShcxJcFe92yy_GkR3Q) which is a proxy client to access the Demonoid site. I have been using this for months to get Pandora internet radio in Canada, and it works just as well for Demonoid.
Long live BitTorrent!!!
[quote comment="180888"]There is always the possibility of a gag order put on both Demonoid and the CRIA by a judge. That would explain the lack of information.[/quote]
completely possible
To radnom, post 82.
Completely impossible. The Canadian legal system doesn’t work that fast or in that way. Only when the interest of children and in very few other criminal cases is a gag order put in place. The lack of information is totally due to Dumbass. I mean deimos. Cria didn’t do it. So, with that in mind, who did it? Possibly some game that Dumbo is playing.
I am never going to buy another music CD.
I see the way they behave. I see the crap they shove down our throats on the radio. I see the political agenda of utter disgusting shit like Shinedown, and the whole manufactured “alternative” thing tha twas designed as a counter to the metal juggernaut.
But metal has not stopped and has not starved and is still gaining new fans. Why? Because the music is so unacceptable that it cannot sell out.
Continue to try to fob off responsibility for your flagging sales on others, CRIA and RIAA.
Your own actions are sealing your fates.
Speaking of albums not being in stores, my friend went to buy PJ Harvey’s new album and it was nowhere to be found in 3 stores (Target/Best Buy/Walmart). He wanted it right then, but was on his lunch break. It’s not like he could connect to itunes during lunch @ work. Plus, if he’s gonna pay the same price for a digital version he’d rather have a physical copy of the album with artwork.
One sweep of Demonoid and a FLAC version was available and downloaded in under 5 mins so now he can listen to it while he waits for the copy he had to order online to come in the mail.
“Heavy Metal” is not music, and don’t you ever call that garbage music ever again.Other than that, pretty cool.
I am going to file this right next to my collection of Open Letters to MTV complaining about their failure to play enough music videos. You know what we should do? We should start a petition! And we could demand that the recording industry be more METAL! Not this pussy metal they have nowadays, I mean real, hardcore, balls-to-the-wall METAL! I myself own over 20,000 albums of serious looking bearded men screaming unintelligibly, and the industry’s failure to support this vibrant and creative renaissance will go down in history as the Holocaust of the 21st century. They will make 14-hour very somber documentaries about it and everybody will be very sad. How F’N METAL are Demonoid? They are so metal they named their site after a Swedish death metal band! That is pure balls-up METAL, my friends. The CRIA just doesn’t get it.
Completely agree, I am no longer buying cd’s until something happens within the industry. The less and less people buy albums, the sooner something will have to change. I love having the physical albums, but I am all for a collective effort to change the industry.
Brilliantly put…
Really well written, I will be posting it as a link on my site for sure.
Your response is right and is good.
Ahoy mates,
I am a pirate. I steal from the industry when I download their songs, I pillage their sales because sometimes I leech entire discographies and rape them because when they try to stop me from going to demonoid from Canada, I penetrate nonetheless.
I am a legal pirate though, all the tools and services I use to do this are legal tools according to Judge Konrad von Finckenstein’s ruling. and Canadian law. Only the CRIA and their pals would label me an actual pirate.
I also think that sailing the internet is like sailing a no man’s land. It’s a no man’s land because when back in 1994 big companies were saying stuff like “You’ll never sell anything on there” or “e-commerce is impossible”, us little guys where putting in personal free time to make this big internet machine work.. putting tubes together.
When the record industry decided to ditch analog and go digital, so did we (tapes to mp3). They weren’t shutting us down then, and shutting us down now only feeds the hate monger against them.
Keep it up CRIA babies, you aint shiverin me timbers with those little tears of yours an’ I aint intended on loosing on my turf.
well said friend
HERE HERE!
Admit it, not all the interest in downloading music is pointed toward “discovering new bands” - anyone bringing that up in an arguement had better say it quick and move onto a better point and quick … you have to hit the recording industry where it hurts - the pocket book. They have never, don’t and never will care about anything more.
The music industry as we’ve known it for the past 60 or so years is heaving its final death rattle and rather than get a clue, it remains fixed on squeezing out all the profit possible before giving it up.
Soon (relative term, that) artists will no longer have recording labels to answer to because ALL music will be digitally recorded, stored and transferred. Noticed yet, how kitschy the packaging has become? How everything “cool” is released on vinyl picture discs? See? They already know they’re history and are trying to make a profit from THAT, too…
The King Is Dead … FUCK’IM.
Copying is not stealing.
What is stealing is this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3691170&page=1
The woman used kazaa and had a thousand or so tracks. The RIAA did NOT prove any copying even took place, merely that the songs were on her hard drive and potentially ’shareable’. For this she loses $222,000 USD? That is stealing — from an individual like you or me by a f**king cartel. Yes a cartel. Do some basic research. Cartel — What south american drug lords, OPEC, the RIAA, and MPAA have in common?
By the way, to all those so-called pro-american, pro-capitalist types that post in defense of the RIAA/MPAA’s actions:
If you support the existence of cartels, you’re completely full of crap.
If you’d've asked me 6 months ago, I’d've told you to fuck off for writing that shit, but that was before I started keeping an eye on the news…now I cannot look at a CD…it makes me ill.
I will download and download and download even more, ILLEGALLY (mind you), and share the fuck out of these files, and make it known, that you have lost a customer who spent +$600 per record store visit…
You fucked up, CRIA. [note : i do not use demonoid. i'm more of a TPB kinda guy ;-) ]
If only i had more than one digg to give
This is awesome.
I am a huge lover of music of all different genres. Unfortunately the RIAA is what is wrong with America.I am an American , one of the few who is educated enough to see how multinational corporations expand rights that do not belong to them. As far as I know the RIAA, CRIAA, MPAA do not own the internet!They instead choose to distort copyright law so they can force people to buy there music alone. Unfortunately when the main stream media is owned by partners of the conglomerates you will never hear any pro digital rights arguments in the media at all and it is a shame. But it has always been like this since the begining of time when as Carl Marx put it exploitation takes place at the hands of the powerful enforceing their will on the subordinate classes of people. Do you ever wonder how these companies got their copyrights? hrough bribing lobbyist who are buddy buddy with the rich and powerful aka cartels like the RIAA and CRIAA…ect. Here is another lost customer of the music industry!
Best. Letter. Ever.
Same thing goes for the movies. If hollywood would quit putting out so much crap. And quit remaking everything from the past 20 years people might actually go to the movies more. What happened to all of the fresh new ideas for movies when i was a kid.
One word: Amen.
[quote comment="180613"]Nice letter, music fan man. I have also refrained from buying cd and what not simply because the market is flooded my mainstream crap; I’m tired about hearing Rihanna a billionth time on a dance floor or some other rap crap (old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today).
Every time that I do go to a store that sells audio media, I can’t find for the life of me, any trance music. I stay there for hours and I can’t find any, just a bunch of radio crap.
I then come back to the internets to get what I need. I sometimes also have to get my cd’s outside of Canada, like in Europe to get my trance.
|sarc| I congratulate the RIAA and CRIA, way to promote other genres of music.|sarc.end|
I see soo much dance music, unfortunately, its crap that is heard on the radio.
I do hope that the music industry, not the MPAA (I love watching my movies in the theatres), does die in flames or quietly. As well as anti-p2p and ant-piracy orgs., may they die as well.[/quote]
/signed
hear hear!
The music was here before RIAA\CRIAA and it will be here after.
I have to take umbrage with the suggestion that Lemmy is ugly.
:)
This looks way too much like China blocking google IMO
ya know, isint the porn industry the biggest money making industry? isint it also the most pirated? do they complain?
Anyone who knows the situation in Canada knows that the CRIA went to court several times and were basically thrown out. The Canadian courts have made it quite clear that they will not decide the fate of file sharing. They have passed it down to our policy makers, who won’t do anything right now, because the CRIA and the Industry is getting compensation for that, by our Government. Plus for them to take action would be considered by many in Canada as a fundamental right to privacy issue as well, and this situation if true would be plastered all over the place in mainstream media (Radio/TV). I have yet to hear a peep out of mainstream about this.
A threatening letter is one thing, actually knowing your legal position in another. The CRIA is a lobby group with no legal merit in our courts. I highly doubt they would send a “letter” out demanding all Canadians be blocked. That to me says this is a cruel joke right there. It would be a more likely of Demonoid receiving a “Statement of Claim” (which is a legal court document and traceable) if the CRIA wanted to take action.
I work in the recording industry. The CRIA is under opposition big time from some of our top artists and music creators in Canada for the way they have been handling things:
http://www.musiccreators.ca/wp/
I don’t think the CRIA moved to threaten Demonoid, in the matter everyone is talking about. I would be very surprised if this turned out to be true. Money has NOT been losses from downloading music, quite the opposite! Attendance in Live Performances are up huge! 2006 saw record numbers in digital music sales. CD Sales are down, because more and more people are purchasing legal digital music through legal digital distribution channels like Itunes etc. Plus us Canadians are PAYING for our downloads anyway because every time we buy any recordable media like blank discs, Ipods etc, we pay a “levy” that goes directly into the pockets of the CRIA members. We’re talking millions here. Any court case with Demonoid will be thrown out just on that. The CRIA is already getting compensation, they can’t sue for more. Demonoid can’t be held responsible anyway, no media files where hosted on the site. Where does it say in or laws that we can’t host “torrent” files?
In any case it wasn’t the CRIA that blocked Canadians or shut the Canadians out, it was Demonoid. The music industry has changed as per this letter this “former music buyer” wrote quite clearly on exactly how it’s changed, however this “letter” is nothing new. CRIA already knows this, so does most of the world. It’s been happing since the mid 90’s I think the CRIA and others kind of get the grasp of consumer trends. SOME of them actually have brains.
Many know all about this in the industry and have adapted to it, including members of the CRIA who are now offering up free music downloads. If Demonoid wants to shut Canadians out, well too bad for them. There are other torrent sites out there, that are just as good if not better then Demonoid. I think us Canadians would rather be with a torrent site that’s run by people who would actually look into the matter then tuck tail and run, and not take the time to examine the facts.
Whether this Merrlinne person works for the Canadian government or not (she sure has a lot of spelling mistakes in her response), it’s up to Demonoid to have all the facts on this case before taking action. Demonoid will be the ones loosing out and looking like compete twits. Those Demonoid guys need to chill out and have a beer eh, and maybe source this out, because as others and as member of the recording industry, I personally believe there’s no legal merit for what they have done, and no purpose behind it. It doesn’t make any sense to me why the CRIA would ask to have all Canadians blocked knowing the legal situation in Canada. Thus I firmly believe that this very well could be the biggest prank on a torrent site ever played, and Demonoid will end up extremely red faced after all is said and done. There are many of us in this industry that this has gotten to, and know the CRIA has NO pull on our courts here, and that Demonoid did not seek legal advice!!
I hope this gets back to the admins at Demonoid since I can’t seem to contact them because I’M BLOCKED!!!
would anyone blame me if i went and BOMBed RIAA//MPAA/CRIAA/MD/whatever offices?
the world would be sutch a better place.. :D
they are terrorists against their own people..
Everyone who feels strongly about this should boycotted buying music until access to Demonoid is re-allowed; if CRIA and the RIAA feel sites like Demonoid hurt sales, maybe it’s time they find out what blocking those site does. Oh and CRIA, since we’re being blocked from downloading, CANCEL THE LEVY ON BLANK MEDIA. I’m SICK of paying extra money to YOU whenever I use a CD/DVD to back up MY OWN PHOTOGRAPHY WORK.
Wonderful open letter. CRIA, RIAA and all the others is gang of corrupt dope addicted greedy anal fuckers! The actual music industry do produce crap! It sounds all the same stinky shit. Go down corrupt music industry!
The last CD I bought (about 2 years ago) would play in the CD-player at my home, but wouldn’t play in the CD-player of my car, because of some DRM crap on the disc.
I haven’t bought a CD since, and I don’t intend to unless it has a sticker “DRM-Free” on top.
Meanwhile I listen to radio and the CDs I already have.
PS: I never downloaded any music.
could someone e-mail me an invite to oink please? toooneproductions@yahoo.com
Amen.
Can we all start abducting members of the MAFIA?
well said..
Hip Hip Hoo-f**king-ray!
Good job mate. Eloquent, intelligent and well stated.
I can’t tell you how impressed I am with how succinctly this letter summarized my feelings.
Here’s hoping this doesn’t fall on deaf ears.
ColdFission:
“old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today”
Ohh no, there’s good rap now (I guess it’s all called “hip-hop” now) but it’s not what’s mainstream. Hip-hop isn’t just about lyrics, it’s about the production and the beat, the lyrics and how it ties together. It’s not all about bling and how awesome you are; there’s a lot of great music that isn’t like that. Unfortunately, it’s more difficult to find.
And I don’t know where you’re from, but “way back rap” had plenty of people rapping about sex, drugs, and bling. (Remember NWA?)
While I do live in Canada, a few minutes Googling and I’m back on Demonoid. Use a proxy like:
http://www.ultrareach.com/company/download.htm
http://zend2.com/
And stealing is when you deprive someone of something, yet the majority of downloading people do is for music they would not be buying anyway. 60% of the music I download I end up deleting, but the stuff I like I’m likely to buy and go see live.
To the Canadian music rep. You are saying what I’ve been saying all along. CRIA did not do it. I proxied my way onto demonoid. I tried to get intelligent answers to some questions. I got stonewalled. I have permanently disconnected myself from this site. As far as I am concerned, this whole thing is a figment of Deimos’ imagination. This whole thing is a lie. Deimos will not release this alleged letter. My apologies to you and your industry for the idiotic behavior that comes from this Deimos’ demented demonoid herd of mental midgets. Anyone who has a brain and knows a little about the law knows that this stuff cannot happen.
I still have peers with canadian ip’s on demonoid torrents. They don’t have the X or H flag, so they must come from the tracker. So the tracker isn’t blocked, only the site?
To industry rep. In re Merrlinnes spelling errors. You have a few in your letter as well. Just because a person’s fingers don’t move as fast as their brain, doesn’t mean that they don’t work for the government. I have friends who work for the federal government and they can’t spell shit without a spell checker. If they could find it.
Take a heartless (thug )industry out of music/movies/art!
tech further cuts out the crunch of monetizing Art.
heading Full-circle from beginnings, out of industries’ hands…. Bring on the future~!
—–
If i care to donate money then it’s up to me— direct to the artists only to support their efforts…
— Industry is dead or at best dieing :-)
BRAVO!!!
I think this might be the best letter on this topic I’ve ever read.
For me personally, what the CRIA and others are doing make me even more of an activist and want to get involved even more in file sharing.
Truer words were never spoken. Well done.
PS I would be interested in their reply.
Gary, read post 111
Very well put. Sadly, there are millions of people who realize this and it seems the only ones who do not are the record label executives. Respect.
Just to further add to my statement. I publically call on Demonoid to release any information to the public on this matter, so that it may be looked on by those of us in Canada can get a clear representation on what happened here.
Those of us who are in this industry and support P2P are very curious to see what the truth is, and I think Demonoid has a responsibility to come clean with what has actually happened.
I would ask that all those who have accounts with Demonoid, gather together and set a side a day without Demonoid, meaning no one seeds on Demonoid for 1 day in protest to find out what the truth is here.
Unless Demonoid releases these “letters” then this whole thing to me anyway is a complete scam to grab headlines.
TO: industry rep. If this is a scam to grab headlines, then it failed miserably. I have seen nothing in the mainstream media. We have been calling for the release of this alleged letter from the beginning. His intransigence in this matter is doing nothing but harm to the peer to peer community. But at this late date the release of any document should be viewed with a jaundiced eye, even if it is certified true copy. As a former graphic artist working in newspapers and magazines, I produced many bogus documents and pictures for publication. I think that the only way to clear this up is for Deimos to be totally forthcoming and forthright,apologise and then shut down and get out of Canada. We don’t need his type here. I am beginning to wonder about the reasons for him leaving Holland.
Deimos started something and it’s backfired. He has backed himself into a corner. There is no honourable way out for him other than to fall on his sword. Do the honourable thing, Deimos. Release the alleged letter. Then shut up and shut down. Move to another country. You are no longer welcome here. Our hospitality towards you is over. Leave, before it becomes outright hostility.
Alex -> True that documents can be forged, but those of us in the industry can verify the source and deem it true, or false, there are ways of doing that, as you know.
I agree with snipers response on this. It’s time that Deimos comes clean. I’m not asking this just on behalf of the users of Demonoid, but I’m asking this on behalf of those who support P2P in the Canadian music industry. We need to know what happened here. Deimos must publically release these “letters”.
[quote comment="180868"]its like musical civil war demonoid being the North and record industry being the racist South. Pay attention to history and see who is gonna WIN[/quote]
And the historically ignorant once again raise their heads…
The North had the larger armies, a Darth Vader-esque approach to casualties, and would sink to any level to defeat whoever they saw as an enemy.
The South consistently beat larger armies and continually stayed on the defensive, even when given the opportunity to capture DC and have Lincoln’s head (for which they would’ve bee well justified).
Go read a history book, preferably not one approved by the establishment you claim to hate so much.
[quote comment="180615"]Would you like an invite to OiNK?[/quote]
Yes I would like an invite to oink if you have one thanks.
Rollin_Jukebox@yahoo.ca
well said
To rep, alex, sniper. Right on, guys. Us canucks are a kind, caring, generous, sharing, even forgiving people. But don’t piss us off. Deimos has abused our hospitality. He has disrespected us and crapped on us and must go. We are not the idiots he thinks we are. I no longer care about the truth behind this event. Deimos has damaged his reputation beyond repair. Get out. Go to hell. Or in your case Deimos, go to heaven.
Who the hell the cares. So Demonoid is baned from Canada. Go to mininova, piratebay, isohunt, or any other torrent site.
The quality of music has gone down in MY opinion. The “music industry” needs to spend more time MAKING music than recycling, reusing and finding every which way to squeeze a penny out of music enthusiasts and teenagers
the is no LAND OF THE FUCKING FREE!!! DICKHEADS
I wouldn’t know about that, dribbler. I did all right in France. In Holland. however, they do charge for it. But that was a legal red-light zone. If you’re dribbling, go see a doctor. Penicillin cures a lot of things.
It is too bad that no one knows what is happening over in demonoid land. Being a closed society they leave themslve open to a lot of speculation. Speculations like perhaps deimos, supposedly coming from Yugoslavia, is paranoid about the government, our laws and being an open and honest person. Deimos, this is Canada. You have nothing to fear here. No one is going to put you up against a wall and shoot you. Release the letter. Release yourself from the hole you’ve dug for youself. Confession is good for the soul. Then go see a psychiatrist. You seem to have a lot of Iron Curtain, Cold War secrecy mentalities to purge. Or download and listen to some Marianne Faithful. It has been called music to slit your wrists by. Either way, be a man and end the bullshit.
[quote comment="181515"]It is too bad that no one knows what is happening over in demonoid land. Being a closed society they leave themslve open to a lot of speculation. Speculations like perhaps deimos, supposedly coming from Yugoslavia, is paranoid about the government, our laws and being an open and honest person. Deimos, this is Canada. You have nothing to fear here. No one is going to put you up against a wall and shoot you. Release the letter. Release yourself from the hole you’ve dug for youself. Confession is good for the soul. Then go see a psychiatrist. You seem to have a lot of Iron Curtain,[/quote]You’re soooo far off. Deimos started to behave in that way (to the outside world) as a direct result of pure first-hand experiences and the best of advice from people with more experience in the field! I’ve known him from before demonoid, and I know what he is like. Contrary to what many think, he’s an old-school scene member, he knows exactly how far to go with this. The reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker is because of his caution. Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.
at root regarding: Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.
You prove my point. He’s a paranoid nut job. The cold war is over. This is Canada. P2P exchanges are lawful here. There is no need for this B.S. Nobody gos to jail for running a torrent site. As for know how far to go, he’s gone too far with this. It is totally unnecessary right from the get-go. In another way he hasn’t gone far enough. He hasn’t gone from here. I repeat what others have said. He’s abused our hospitality. Get the fuck out, Deimos. By the way I don’t enjoy demonoid’s tracker. I bailed out permanently when he pulled this infantile stunt.
to:root@your.server
regarding: the reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker…
What sort of shit are you trying to pull? I’m in Canada and i can’t “enjoy” it. I can’t even proxy access it. Count me in as a supporter of the fuck you Deimos club. If he’s been acting this way for a while as you say he has, then he should drop those “friends” and their paranoia about the “outside world” and see a shrink. Deimos obviously has some deep seated issues that need tending to. Wake up, smell the coffee, get real Mr, root.
He’s everything BUT a paranoid nut-job. If a person like you would start, setup and admin both a bittorrent tracker and a torrent community and indexing website, it would last maybe a year at the most. Demonoid is not mininova or isohunt or torrentz or any of those, it is a famous and widely used tracker, tracking millions of TV-shows you probably didn’t even realize were tracked by demonoid’s tracker.
And it’s pretty clear you really have no clue what you would be dealing with when you run a torrent tracker. Go create your own, and we’ll see who’s still there about two years from now. Wanna bet it will be Deimos laughing at you, and not the other way around?
The reason the dutch law had nothing on him was exactly *because* of his silence where needed. The Dutch have succesfully taken down others, mind you. The site being in Canada is merely coincidence, having to do with cost, speed and offers at the time he had to move stuff around. In case you haven’t noticed:
The Internet knows no territorial boundaries, and speaking about ‘hospitality’ makes no sense whatsoever. Your claims are pathetic, and look like those coming from a drug-addict trying to get clean. I think Deimos will not miss users like you, and chances are pretty high he will get out of Canada in the not so distant future, but definitely not because of you.
Have you even considered what would happen if he’d be as open as you would have wanted him to be? Try and use what’s left of your brain; It would become mainstream Canadian news, in the end forcing him to get out even earlier than he’d want, and worse: Be sued by even bigger fish.
Unless you PAY him for the offered services, which you don’t and never have, you have no reason whatsoever to call this an ‘infantile stunt’. It’s pretty clear that YOU are the nutcase here, and it’s infantile to behave patriotic regarding some hosting spot. You’re a fool. Not worthy of my or Deimos’ time.
root@your.server says that he’s known Deimos for a long time. He also says “he knows exactly how far to go with this.” Is this an indication that this whole stupid, infantile affair is the sole responsibility of a demented Deimos? There was no letter? Root also says “he started to act this way…” Good God Almighty, if there is any veracity to any this, then Deimos is a certifiable nut-bar. Revoke his visa, if he has one, and drop him down a deep, dark hole. We don’t need his type of jackass here. He can go back to Yugoslavia and play his childish games there. But get this headcase out of here. The hospitality is over, Deimos. Go.
root@your.server. Are you an idiot too? Good God, man read what you have written. I’ll do some quotes here. 1)”The reason the dutch law had nothing on him was exactly *because* of his silence where needed. The Dutch have succesfully taken down others…
REPLY:This is Canada. If you did a little basic research, you would know that these activities are perfectly lawful here.
2)”Have you even considered what would happen if he’d be as open as you would have wanted him to be? Try and use what’s left of your brain; It would become mainstream Canadian news, in the end forcing him to get out even earlier than he’d want, and worse: Be sued by even bigger fish.”
REPLY: What the fuck are you on about? Or, what sort of illicit drugs are you using? See my reply above. So, the only idiots around here are you and Deimos and anyone else who doesn’t have the brain power to do a little legal research. So, Fuck you too Jack. If you can’t fit in to the laws and customs of the land, then get the fuck out. And take your petty attempts at insult with you, they don’t even sting a tiny bit.
[quote comment="180822"]to pal. Nice avoidance job, pal. Do the ad hominem attack rather than discussing the issues raised. Go kiss Dumb-asses ring. By the way, you forgot to add ” your mother is an army boot.” Which she was. And tough as nails too. I repeat- CRIA did not shut himdown. He’s shutting himself down. Imploding. Get a brain and you’d see it. Stop being an imp toady.[/quote]
First off sincere regrets for any personal attack.. I was just copying you and your attack on Deinos… Glad you understand that your personal attack on Deinos was shallow and unproductive… so we can continue….
Well my mother may or may not be an army boot…you would not know just ….. Just like you may or may not have privileged information the kind that even Deimos does not have.. However Deimos is not required to inform you or anyone else of the goings on. It’s in his discretion… people can whine all they want but any LaMeR NeWBie pEEp can get on Demonoid…. yes even from Canada… all you got to do is spoof your IP…. can’t get much easier then downloading and installing one more piece of code….geez how easy can it get.?? Hide your IP Platinum works