You’ve missed the point entirely. The “scene” groups don’t feel “infringed upon”. That’s NOT the issue. They simply want to remain anonymous. Security is a HUGE issue for them. They want their file sharing to remain in house and “underground”. They do NOT want the scrutiny that comes from their releases being shared on via P2P networks.

So give us an integrated tv and broadband solution with access to all content in really good quality that is perfectly legal and at a reasonable price after all one cannot watch everything at once.

Long Live The Scene

.~.

Oh here come the sceners with there twisted little logic that only makes sense (and only benefits) THEM, and them alone. They cannot work out with their oh-so-infinite-brains why people ‘not in the scene’ don’t listen to their bullshit rules and play ‘their’ game.

They like to keep things to themselves and not let people like you or me have anything. We get NOTHING. Except now, with torrents/TPB, we can actually get SOMETHING. But the oh-so-massively-intellectual sceners think we should stop because it will publicise their activities and if that happens, they say, we will end up with NOTHING.

So, their little message seems to be: “Stop getting SOMETHING. Go back to getting NOTHING or….. you will have NOTHING.”

Clever people these, obviously.

“Er, excuse me, what about internal releases? Any group can release after the first, it just must have the tag internal.”

Which, for TV shows, usually never get distributed outside the scene, so most people don’t know that they exist. What group did the “internal” versions of the crappy GoTV episodes?

“Every season? You Phail…”

Yes, nearly every season in most cases. Need examples?

Stargate Atlantis
—————–
Season 1 – Saints
Season 2 – Saints
Season 3 – River (1-4), GoTV (5-20)
Season 4 – Saints (1-4), River (5-8), FoV (9-20)

Battlestar Galactica
——————–
Season 1 – Medieval
Season 2 – Topaz, FQM, BIA, Dimension (#10 extended)
Season 3 – FoV, Saints (#09 extended)

NCIS
—-
Season 1 – River
Season 2 – Saints
Season 3 – FoV
Season 4 – Topaz
Season 5 – Orpheus

Criminal Minds
————–
Season 1 – Topaz
Season 1 – Saints
Season 1 – Saints, Orpheus

Supernatural
————
Season 1 – Saints
Season 1 – Bollox, Saints
Season 1 – Orpheus

Eureka
——
Season 1 – Topaz
Season 1 – FoV

Joan of Arcadia
—————
Season 1 – FoV
Season 1 – Saints

Doctor Who 2005
—————
Season 1 – TVEP, m00TV, Saints
Season 1 – m00TV, Saints, FoV
Season 1 – FUTV, m00TV, Bollox, River
Season 4 – Reward

Do I still “Phail”?

>.>

Where the hell do you think all your little files in your magical torrents came from (most of them?) That’s right, The SCENE.

(And some TSs and CAMs are actually good, tards… Hint: check the older stuff, like CENTROPY…)

If it weren’t for crackers, people would get a clue and switch to (legally) free software or just not buy software that comes with rootkits as copy-protection. It’s sad people throw their rights and freedom out of the window for as little as some computer game.

That way they’d also not fall for “cracks” that are actually just viruses, trojans and worms. That does not only harm themselves which I could care less about, no it’s a burden for everyone else on the internet considering that these the purpose of such malware is usually spamming by forming botnets and propagation of more malware.

Cracking was okay and fun back then when we had “home computers” instead of PCs but in the context of the internet age, the rise of free software, cracks cause more harm then they solve and just results in a pointless arms race with even more draconic counter-measures.

Also, it’s a real shame that people who actually use software for business purposes would be using cracked software. Consumers don’t need photoshop, professionals who really need it earn more enough to pay for a license. In fact, you should think about this and ask yourself on whose side crackers really stand. Incidentally, “crack” is also drug and dealers are known for tricking people with free tries and make them addicted to and dependend on a fairly useless product.

Either way, Anakata seems calm and to thee point.

I hope Alan Ellis’s trial goes this well, and he’s as cool as the TPB folk.

Yeah, fuck the scene.
Then we can rely on geniuses like yourself to keygen and crack SecuROM, SafeDisc, StarForce, Tages, Steam, Themida, ASProtect, Armadillo, etc.
I’m sure you and others like yourself, can provide P2P networks with a continuous flow of properly cracked and working releases.
Right?

“GTA 4 and other games/movies have been there WAYYY before the scene ever did”

I think you are referring to the half-assed, buggy and non-working LOADERS that flood P2P, every time there’s a major game release.
Do you even know the difference between a LOADER and a CRACK?

Oh yes, that’s right – with comments like “WE DID IT, WE MADE HISTORY, WE ARE THE GREATEST” … except, unlike the scene, the crack didn’t work

That’s if you could even get it before it scene pre’d. Seeg as it has 100 seeds vs. 125,000 peers.

Idiot.

Er, excuse me, what about internal releases? Any group can release after the first, it just must have the tag internal.

“Even when all the copies look ok, every season of a TV show will be done by a different group using different resolutions and encoding settings. One might be at 624×352 and have normal audio. The next might be at 640×348 and have low audio. Nothing’s standardized.”

Every season? You Phail…

on a side note: yes its true, we hate the pirate bay. But at the same time, I have to admit that this is great for us, as it takes the spotlight off our community and onto a more publicly accessible one. That of the torrent community. What will be decided in this trial will ultimately affect all of us. So we watch, hidden from sight…. With glee.

anonymous scene member,
via starbucks internets
keep the scene safe

GTA 4 and other games/movies have been there WAYYY before the scene ever did

What a stupid comment – how exactly do you propose that something of higher quality than a cam/TS is released when there is no other source other than cammed ones?

“Give us all a break and grow up already!”

Give us all a break and stop making comments about things you are clueless about. The fact that you are tooting your horn here about your supposed quality releases and that your better than scene content just shows how much of a noob wannabe you are.

“Look at me! Look at me!”

No idea…

“YOUR putting it all public means attention like this, attention that in the end THEY will win against you and then focus efforts on them.”

Thinking about “the scene”, I’m reminded of the story about how to catch monkeys. You put some food in a stump, but make sure that it’s only reachable via a small hole just big enough for the monkey to stick its hand in. Once it has the food in its fist, its hand will no longer fit through the hold and the monkey will be stuck. Even when it sees someone coming to grab it, it isn’t smart enough to open its hand so that it can pull it out. It will stand there frantically trying to get its fist out of the hole.

The scene is like that. If people spread a Diamond release of a movie, it brings attention to the group Diamond. How do people know that it’s a Diamond release? Because they put their name on the file and in the NFO and because they brag about being “first”. If scene groups weren’t obsessed with getting attention and didn’t put their names on their releases, the authorities would have no idea who released what. Of course, they would never do that, because “the scene” is just a huge pissing contest. They don’t want to “share” content, they want to slap something out first so that they can point at the other groups and say “We’re better than you!”

I’ve also heard tha argument that without the competition, the scene wouldn’t release anything. That’s a stupid attitude. There’s a user in the SciFi newsgroup who recently ripped and uploaded pretty much every DVD in his collection. He uploaded close to 300 movies, most of them 1.4GB DVDRips that look great. He didn’t bother to put his name on any of them.

@Caesare, #72,

“Allowed filesize options (according to rulesets) have been chosen for a reason by experts to ensure quality”

Except that the obsession with being “first” often leads to screwups because the group is in such a rush to get something released, that they don’t bother to check it. Out of sync audio, graphical glitches, missing parts, no subs for foreign dialog, etc. You have the first DVDRip, then the Re-Rip, then the Proper, then the Proper Re-Rip, then the sync-fix, etc.

Not to mention that the scene rules often allow groups to create sub-standard videos. Take Stargate Atlantis; Most of the first 4 seasons of DVDRips were done by established groups using acceptable settings. Most of season 3 was done by a group called GoTV who used the lowest resolution allowed at the time. The episodes that they did look like crap compared to the rest. The video is blurry and jaggy. But since there are no obvious technical glitches, no other group can release better copies, since GoTV was “FIRST!”

Even when all the copies look ok, every season of a TV show will be done by a different group using different resolutions and encoding settings. One might be at 624×352 and have normal audio. The next might be at 640×348 and have low audio. Nothing’s standardized.

Also, the rush to be first means that no groups (other than British ones) bother to include the closing credits of TV shows recorded “live”, so you don’t get the previews of the next episode. Some copies cut out right after the last line of dialog is spoken, making it look like they left out part of the scene.

I rather suspect that the prosecution are merely drawing out an explanation for the judge, to highlight the fact that the defendants have knowledge of “the scene” and are not therefore ignorant of the origin of the material that they facilitate the distribution of.

Rubbish.

For one “The Scene” releases BluRay isos – how do you top untouched BluRays for quality exactly?

For another using experimental or new encoder options may increase quality – but not to a very large large extent at all. Allowed filesize options (according to rulesets) have been chosen for a reason by experts to ensure quality – for XviD movies some releases may be at the extremes of length vs. size and hence lose some quality potentially, but that’s a small subset of sources. Even using new audio options (and hence new container options) such as multi-channel AAC doesn’t save that much room for higher video quality.

Seeing as you arent a member of the scene, which is by nature a secretive loosely organised group of people, you are not qualified to say this.

Bittorrent probably gets less than 10% of the total content released out of the scene – actually content wise 1-click hosters and emule have a much wider variety.

Im sure they genuinely don’t know any scene members, they are a public torrent site not an underground forum.

L OOOO L !
L O O L !
L O O L
LLLL OOOO LLLL !

They are not trying to convict TPB at all, they are trying to find a bit of info to grab on of major releasers that TPB might have some crucial info about.

This is a tactic already used before in big cases and a good example of it is the movie Sleepers.

Like you all know, if TPB shutsdown, piracay will continue anyway, and the industries are very aware of that, even if they look pretty dumb.

They want to cut out the source of the major releases and im afraid that, if they succeed, it will end into people watching everything that each individual does in internet in theyr homes, only that way they will be able to control or stop for once online piracy.

We love you.