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Anonymous, Decentralized and Uncensored File-Sharing is Booming

The file-sharing landscape is slowly adjusting in response to the continued push for more anti-piracy tools, the final Pirate Bay verdict, and the raids and arrests in the Megaupload case. Faced with uncertainty and drastic changes at file-sharing sites, many users are searching for secure, private and uncensored file-sharing clients. Despite the image its name suggests, RetroShare is one such future-proof client.

anon-pirateThe avalanche of negative file-sharing news over the past weeks hasn’t gone unnoticed to users and site operators.

From SOPA to Megaupload, there is a growing uncertainly about the future of sharing.

While many BitTorrent sites and cyberlockers continue to operate as usual, there is a growing group of users who are expanding their horizons to see what other means of sharing are available if the worst case scenario becomes reality.

Anonymous, decentralized and uncensored are the key and most sought-after features. For some this means signing up with a VPN to make their BitTorrent sharing more private, but new clients are also generating interest.

Earlier this month we wrote about Tribler, a decentralized (not anonymous) BitTorrent client that makes torrent sites obsolete. We’ve covered Tribler for more than half a decade, but it was only after our most recent post that it really took off with more than a hundred thousand downloads in a few days.

But there are more file-sharing tools that are specifically built to withstand outside attacks. Some even add anonymity into the mix. RetroShare is such a private and uncensored file-sharing client, and the developers have also noticed a significant boom in users recently.

The RetroShare network allows people to create a private and encrypted file-sharing network. Users add friends by exchanging PGP certificates with people they trust. All the communication is encrypted using OpenSSL and files that are downloaded from strangers always go through a trusted friend.

In other words, it’s a true Darknet and virtually impossible to monitor by outsiders.

RetroShare founder DrBob told us that while the software has been around since 2006, all of a sudden there’s been a surge in downloads. “The interest in RetroShare has massively shot up over the last two months,” he said.

“In January our downloads tripled when interest in SOPA was at its peak. It more than doubled again in February, when cyberlockers disabled sharing or shut down entirely. At the moment we are getting 10 times more downloads than in December 2011.”


RetroShare’s downloads at Sourceforge

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RetroShare’s founder believes that there is an increased need for security, privacy and freedom among file-sharers, features that are at the core of his application.

“RetroShare is about creating a private space on the Internet. A social collaboration network where you can share anything you want. A space that is free from the prying eyes of governments, corporations and advertisers. This is vitally important as our freedom on the Internet is under increasing threat,” DrBob told TorrentFreak.

“RetroShare is free from censorship: like Facebook banning ‘obscene’ breast-feeding photographs. A network that allows you to use any pseudonym, without insisting on knowing your real name. A network where you will not face the threat of jail, or being banned from entry into a country for an innocent tweet.”


Downloading with RetroShare

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It’s impossible to accurately predict what file-sharing will look like 5 years from now. But, a safe assumption is that anonymity will play a more central role than it ever has.

Recent crackdowns have made operators of central file-sharing sites and services more cautious of copyright infringement. Some even went as far as shutting down voluntarily, like BTjunkie.

In the long run this might drive more casual downloaders to legitimate alternatives, if these are available. Those who keep on sharing could move to smaller communities, darknets, and anonymous connections.

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  • Nyukkah

    Magnet links are just the tip of the iceberg. The internet is a hydra, cut off one head and two grow back in its place.

    • Boring

      Meh

      • Anonymous

        Meh

        • Guest

          Meh

        • Cafec

          Meh

          (Yup, we can go deeper)

        • http://glasswings.com.au/blog Xanni

          C-c-c-combo breaker!

        • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

          Meh

        • Anonymous

          Also, the game.

  • Anon

    Very interesting stuff. But with any new technology, I’m sure it has it’s flaws and holes. I’m not going to jump on the bandwagon quite yet, until there’s some track record of being truly secure. For example, besides encryption, how exactly does it work? What is to stop a government employee from monitoring the activity of its users? Forgive my lack of knowledge, but “darknet” is something I’ve only recently heard of.

    • Guest

      The P2P would be VPNs connecting to VPNs :)

      • Anon

        It just seems to good to be true. To me, it seems – and correct me if I’m wrong – that it wouldn’t be too hard for a government watchdog agency or what-have-you, to infiltrate this network and somehow log what the other users are doing. How are you supposed to trust the other person on the other end, besides knowing them in real life? Am I being completely naive here? This is just my paranoia and lack of knowledge on the subject speaking. Someone feel free to give more details.

        • Anyone

          that “watchdog” can only monitor the users it has the PGP key for

          so as long as you trust all the people you give your PGP key to and they have not been compromised you are fine

        • Camilo

          Look, most secure networks are based on encryption and passing files randomly a few times. One end sees what the other end shows, but no man in the middle, because of something called Asymmetric Encription. This basically prevents someone between you and the file’s seeder from seeing it. Since the files are moved around a few times in some networks (such as TOR and FreeNet), nobody knows what you are really downloading, only the person who sent it (because that computer encrypted it with *your* “public key”) and you (because yours decrypted it with your “private key”), but nobody else, and can’t be traced because the computers don’t talk directly, but through others (while you help others too). This basically makes it slow and secure.

        • Harry

          “Since the files are moved around a few times in some networks (such as TOR and FreeNet), nobody knows what you are really downloading, only the person who sent it (because that computer encrypted it with *your* “public key”) and you (because yours decrypted it with your “private key”), but nobody else, and can’t be traced because the computers don’t talk directly, but through others (while you help others too).”

          But the problem with these open networks is: You could still be sued for providing access to the files, even if you only do this on behalf of other people.

          Here in Germany this is called “Störerhaftung”. For example if you run an unsecured wireless network and someone else uploads copyrighted material through it you are still liable for this copyright infringement even if you didn’t upload the file yourself but some stranger did. The fact, that your PC passed the file along is enough.

          This is the big advantage of Retroshare: Your IP-address is only known to your direct trusted friends while you can indirectly still access the files of the friends of your friends and their friends and so on…

        • P_tzanev

          As far as I understand it, yes, you are supposed to somehow know the person you give your PGP key to. So, of course, you are unlikely to be joining a very big swarm.

        • Harry

          “As far as I understand it, yes, you are supposed to somehow know the person you give your PGP key to. So, of course, you are unlikely to be joining a very big swarm.”

          But this isn’t a fundamental problem. With Retroshare you don’t have to be connected to a big swarm!

          The turtle routing that allows you also to indirectly access the files of the friends of your friends and their friends and so on enables all the little swarm to interchange data with each other and to build a “super swarm” that way (while everyone is still only connected to his trusted friends).

        • Anonymous

          @ Harry, yes, you’d still get almost any content available, but the fact that it has to be routed via trusted users will just make it a bit slower and congest the network a bit. It’s a fair trade though, I’d say, for the added security.

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Slow, Camilo? TOR isn’t really ‘slow’ when the nodes have a legitimate speed. The thing slowing TOR down is nodes that have barely dialup-speeds and are still allowed on the network.

        • Laticoioa

          which makes it not safe at all because unlike freenet, it has a “conect to stranger” so you donm’t have to find somene to get a key from to enter network. please make connect to stranger, read up on freenet and see why this is the way to go instead of have to connect to known person. This si the flaw according to freenet.

    • Anon

      “Forgive my lack of knowledge, but “darknet” is something I’ve only recently heard of.”

      LMAO, before long the MAFIAA, RIAA and US government will make sure everyone knows what the darknet is and more importantly that they’re using it.

      • Anyone

        the pedophiles could use the company ;)

        • Guest

          This is not a company. There is no company.

        • Anyone

          by company i meant other people, not a corporation

        • Caladol1

          it is a problem generated by the government if everyone, need’s more anonymity, but to be fair justice being fair means that ” it’s better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent get put in prison” .

          and current law makes us more dangerous than pedophiles(drug taficants) as they dedicate more and more resources to take you down
          http://imgur.com/a/GLPjI

          shouldn’t they use those resources to fight real crime? apparently not..

    • guest

      It’s not exactly “New” technology, rather newly rediscovered. I am sure it has flaws as nothing is flawless but the only way to know is using it. RS had a pretty okay(but also inactive) community before already so you don’t have to worry if no one has worried yet. Just keep your guard up and really share with friends or people you trust only.

    • Harry

      “What is to stop a government employee from monitoring the activity of its users?”

      The government employee is not even able to establish a connection to your PC unless you add him as a trusted friend. So as long as you choose your friends carefully (for example only add people you know personally), nobody can spy on your IP-address.

      But unlike ICQ or other private communication channels Retroshare not only allows you to access your friend’s files but also indirectly the files of the friends of your friends and even their friends and so on and on…

      This is called “turtle routing”. The requests are spread throughout the network and if anyone has the requested file it gets routed back to you through the line of trusted friends that build the network.

      • Keep Refrigerated

        Turtle routing… as in very, very slow.

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

      At least “we” keep innovating, unlike the MAFIAA, who are just dinosaurs waiting to die out.

      • beiZool

        This is very shakey ground… if options like RetroShare make it possible to share safely but slowly then it becomes a burden just like download a movie/mp3 through legit sources. These options become ironic. Filesharing became ‘hot’ because the ease in which one obtained what they wanted and avoided the long waiting lines through other sources. Even though we create these highly encrypted, private, secure, safe options… but there slow… then… well… you get the picture.

        Just something to think about.

    • Anonymous

      Encryption pretty much makes it impossible for anyone to know what you’re downloading or sharing, besides from the people you’re sharing with or downloading from. So what RetroShare does is make sure that you can specify only trusted users to share with. Basically, this will work just like torrenting, except that people out to bust you will be more effectively ostracized from the network.

      It is not full proof, because you can still get busted if you add the wrong people to your trusted users list. Apart from that it will drastically limit your peer swarm, at least initially. So it will be a bit slower than torrenting.

      • Retroshare_user

        Actually, no, it’s not encryption that makes it impossible for anyone to know what you’re downloading or sharing.

        Encryption makes it impossible for your ISP or another external observer, but not for a member of the RetroShare network.

        What makes it hard for members of the RetroShare network is that you don’t know the source or the destination of a file transfer.

  • Jeff Bekcer

    Why are they using this retroshare when I2P provides filesharing and more?
    It’s a generic network layer, the possibilities are much bigger.
    Seriously. Promote I2P for ACTUAL strong anonymity.

    • Xela

      “I2P should not be relied upon for “guaranteed” anonymity at this time, due to the relatively small size of the network and the lack of extensive academic review. It is not immune to attacks from those with unlimited resources, and may never be, due to the inherent limitations of low-latency mix networks.” (http://www.i2p2.de/)

      • Jeff Bekcer

        There is no such thing as “guaranteed anonymity” in a finite network like the internet. there just can’t be such a thing. “Strong” anonymity while not absolute is still pretty damn good. I2P is still bigger than the core infrastructure of tor. freenet is not really meant for “casual browsing” it’s a tool for those under totalitarian rule. Given the choice between the tor i2p and freenet I choose all of them because they all have their use, they just do different things.

        • Blahblah

          Freenet’s architecture is great for anonymous browsing and publishing. The one major downside (aside from the slowness caused by bottlenecks, but that’s somewhat inevitable given the structure) is that your content may be hosted on another, or several other nodes and can disappear in a blink if they go offline. It’s both a good and bad thing from a ‘plausible deniability’ standpoint that nobody can know for sure what resides in their datastore, good in that in that it prevents censorship and culpability, bad in that you can’t really ‘seed’ anything that you want to help stay alive.

      • merethan

        Such a disclaimer is also given along with Tor for example.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michaelschmidt524 Michael Schmidt

      IMule instead of Emule over i2p anonymizing is here:
      http://forum.i2p2.de/viewforum.php?f=30

      • Laticia

        just run emule thrugh a vpn = prob solved

    • Harry

      There is no real “anonymous” network. Everybody still needs to be contacted via his IP-address.

      In I2P you just pass files along for other people you don’t know and promise not to tell anyone who got what.

      Unfortunately at least here in Germany you can still be sued for copyright infringement even if you just pass the files for other people and are not the actual sender. Therefore I2P is a no-go here. The RIAA could access I2P, request a copyrighted file and if YOU are the one that forwards it to them – bam, lawsuit.

      Retroshare is different. There only your trusted friends know your IP-address while you are also able to indirectly access not only your direct friend’s files but also the files of the friends of your friends and their friends and so on via file-forwarding.

      • Anonymous

        So if you have a TOR relay (non exit-node) you will get troubles in Germany?

        Please stop spreading shit. That’s not true!

        In I2p it is impossible to know the traffic you are routing since it is encrypted.

        • Harry

          “So if you have a TOR relay (non exit-node) you will get troubles in Germany?”

          Yes you can. Regarding civil law they can sue you for Störerhaftung in cases of copyright infringement.

          In cases of penal law (spreading child pornography and such) there is no Störerhaftung but instead the police can (and sometimes will) raid your home for “further investigations”.

          “In I2p it is impossible to know the traffic you are routing since it is encrypted.”

          This doesn’t protect you because for Störerhaftung you neither have to be the perpetrator or a co-perpetrator. It’s enough that you provided the data.

          “If that was true, there would be none of german ISP services.”

          It is true and this is the reason why open wireless networks are now gone in Germany, because the High-Court decided in a Störerhaftung ruling that you can be held liable if strangers upload copyrighted material using your network.

          In fact: If it were different you wouldn’t need to use the actual TOR-network at all. You could just install an TOR exit-node, do whatever you want on the net and if someone wants to sue you then always tell them “someone else did it”… But it doesn’t work that way.

          As for ISPs: First of all ISPs log all IP-addresses and hand them out to the authorities if requested (something TOR doesn’t) and also Störerhaftung is not allowed to destroy legitimate business models (TOR is no business).

          Therefore the higher regional court of Hamburg decided for example in a case against RapidShare that cyberlockers “are no legitimate business model” and told them if they couldn’t stop copyright infringements they had to shut down. (Just for the record: In fact ALL trials against RapidShare in the recent years were Störerhaftung lawsuits.)

          Luckily for RapidShare some time later the higher regional court of Düsseldorf ruled different and now it’s up to the Federal High Court to decide their fate.

        • Harry

          Also RapidShare stores the IP-addresses of uploaders too and hands them over if requested:

          https://www.rapidshare.com/#!rsag_ppolicy

        • Gay

          yeah and stop listing that shit linux outlaws too..

        • Gaoao

          “So if you have a TOR relay (non exit-node) you will get troubles in Germany?”
          I know at least 2 exit-node in Germany that were shut down after too frequent visits of the police.
          As Harry says, “further investigation” is allowed. The guys were not put in jail, not indicted, but being awaken by the police in 3 am, being pinned down on the floor while some guys investigate everywhere in your appartement (even if you’re telling them that your exit-node is not located here), well it’s a pleasant experience.

        • Tezcatlipocas

          No it’s not true, everything Harry says is wrong. “Störerhaftung” doesn’t apply to I2P or TOR.

          http://forum.i2p2.de/viewtopic.php?p=41276

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

      • Anonymous

        When using I2P, you cannot know if the traffic (say from bittorrent aka I2PSnark) is directed to you or if you act only as a tunnel.

        So, yes you can see the IP of your tunnel members, but you can’t know which user routes which data. So, everything you can get is a list of people running I2P. And then? Nothing. So I2P is safe, no one can say what data you routed to other.

        I mean data could be an eepsite, or a legal torrent, or some irc data etc…

        • Harry

          “So, yes you can see the IP of your tunnel members, but you can’t know which user routes which data. So, everything you can get is a list of people running I2P. And then? Nothing. So I2P is safe, no one can say what data you routed to other.”

          Wrong. Of course they know which data is routed to them when they request a copyrighted file. After all the encryption has to be removed, when the packet arrives at it’s final destination (in this case the lawyer).

          So the media-industries lawyers just have to do what they are doing in BitTorrent: Requesting files and then suing the ones that provided the data to them.

        • Jeff Bekcer

          Since the thread can’t go any further i’ll address harry’s issue.
          The idea of I2P is that it enables socket connections with STRONG anonymity and end to end encryption. Tunnels are NOT static, in fact they expire after 10 minutes making the network constantly in flux. The level of entropy in the traffic, routing patters and tunnel creations makes it HIGHLY impractical (as in you need to crack multilayer crypto and grab every machine involved with a tunnel AFTER breaking the crypto all within the 10 minute window) to source ip addresses by tunnels.
          A “more likely” attack is clock-skew correlation attacks where you look at a tunnel destination and attempt to correlate it to a public webserver however if your server is bound to a loopback address it won’t work. Even this attack is no longer relevant since HTTP server tunnels now strip off most server headers to prevent such an attack. Such an attack would only happen to people who don’t know how to set up a webserver. The stock webserver provided in the default I2P bundle is configured to be “safe to use” out of the box.
          But I digress.
          If someone can break I2P then even freenet is doomed.

        • Harry

          “The level of entropy in the traffic, routing patters and tunnel creations makes it HIGHLY impractical (as in you need to crack multilayer crypto and grab every machine involved with a tunnel AFTER breaking the crypto all within the 10 minute window) to source ip addresses by tunnels.”

          You don’t get the point: You don’t need to break any cryptographics or analyze the network to get the original source.

          Because in Germany you can be held liable for forwarding the data you can fuck up the users by simply connecting to them, requesting a file your company holds the copyrights for and then sue the IP-addresses that deliver this data to your node.

          No need to break the cryptographics because you got all the keys for the files you request yourself and no need to find the original sender, because you can just sue the owners of the PCs that sends you the data.

        • Anon

          @Harry
          There are many tor nodes other anonymizers, how they live there

        • Echelon

          In replay to harry an all:
          You cannot see who got your files or from who you request the files. Thats the whole idea behind mix nets.
          I
          About german law: it is partly true, but never ever used. Even in a case against a Tor user was denied of “Störerhaftung”.
          Even in theory thats not a possibility. You route 99,99% good/legal traffic, and for the last few bits you should get sued?
          No one can tell if your node routed good or bad data.
          Your node is a own ISP. If you get knowledge of bad data ON your node, you have to remove it. Route traffic is allowed as it is for ISP in germany. In all the years there is not only a single court against Tor, I2P, freenet or other based on this “störerhaftung”.

          echelon

        • Harry

          @ Anon:

          As long as they can sue a few millions BitTorrent users every year the lawyers don’t care for TOR yet. In fact they don’t even care for exotic regular P2P-networks. But of course this will change, when the crowd moves on.

          @ Echelon:

          “About german law: it is partly true, but never ever used. Even in a case against a Tor user was denied of “Störerhaftung”.”

          This is not exactly true. The TOR case was child pornography and therefore penal law, so Störerhaftung could not be applied because it is civil law (concerning copyright cases ect.) as I already mentioned.

          “Your node is a own ISP.”

          In legal terms this is not true. ISPs have to be registered as such.

          “Route traffic is allowed as it is for ISP in germany. In all the years there is not only a single court against Tor, I2P, freenet or other based on this “störerhaftung”.”

          There were several cases regarding Störerhaftung and routing the traffic. All concerning providing anonymous access to wireless networks.

          One went up to the Federal High Court, they decided that Störerhaftung also applies to private households and that you are liable for everything other people route over your private internet-connection, effectively banning open private wireless networks in Germany and therefore all other anonymous routing as well. And since this is the Federal High Court this ruling is final.

        • Tezcatlipocas

          It’s so funny how Harry keeps spewing his FUD, he probably works for the GEMA.

          Guess what… there are VPN providers in Germany and of course they are a target of the content industry.

          Not one of them has been succesfully sued because of “Störerhaftung”, though if somebody abuses their service for piracy, they are not able to track the original IP of this pirate retrospectively (which is clear, if you know how VPNs work).

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

        • Tezcatlipocas

          You can only be sued in Germany, if the copyright-owner can reasonably assume that you continue your infringing activity. You can’t be sued for an activity where reoffending is unlikely.

          Reoffending is unlikely if a certain copyrighted content is routed at some point through your i2p-Router.

          Contrary to that, reoffending is likely if a certain copyrighted content is uploaded via your internet connection (because your kids do it, your WLAN is not safe, …)

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • Wobbleplod

    xdcc beats this cyber locker crap anyday torrents get raided cyber lockers get raided xdcc stays alive lol

    • Desu75

      I know about xdcc for anime, but there is xdcc for movies, shows, and games?

  • Neflyte49

    Freenet its another interesting alternative, you done part of your hard disk capacity to the content of the network and same with your bandwidth, the comunication is encrypted and the content of the network, websites, forums, news and files for sharing are distributed in all the hard disk of the users. And this is true for the public space of freenet because too has the option to make a darknet with freenet with trusted pairs.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • Anon

    I had never heard of Retroshare. Thanks for the information… I’ve been running a WASTE network with some close friends for several years. Maybe we can upgrade now.

  • Randolph D.

    http://interface.sf.net is an alternative second client for this kind of security.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michaelschmidt524 Michael Schmidt

      InterFace.sf.net is connecting to the same network of retro. it has just another graphical user interface, smarter and better icons imho, and it is more easy to use for beginners

    • Thomasasta

      yeah, http://InterFace.sf.net is a much more easy, nicer client than retro.

  • Anon

    the last thing i’d want is a p2p net where the distribution graph is fixed and cryptographically signed. this is almost exactly the opposite of what is needed: a net that guarantees the OTR property.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • http://www.facebook.com/stoico.luigi Stoico Luigi

    black march No download :o)

    • Anyone

      you’re doing it wrong

    • Mwhahaha

      Someone’s not on a fixed gb monthly limit then :)

  • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

    RetroShare seems like a good idea to share things with people you know – but that is also a serious limitation in terms of accessible material. This can probably supplement, but by no means replace technologies like Bittorrent.

    • Mwhahaha

      Can’t you just split up the file and send it via msn like one used to have to do instead of signing things to say it’s definately you? Or just give them a pen drive when you see them?

      • Savage

        You could just give them a pen drive but what if you wanna share with friends who live in different towns or many hours away?

        • me

          Never underestimate the bandwidth of a wagon full of tapes… or, for that matter, the bandwidth of a letter with a couple of hdd, pendrives etc. sent by the good ole postal service. Just make sure to encrypt the containers (e.g. by using truecrypt) before sending them and you’ll be just fine.

    • Harry

      Unlike ICQ or other private communication channels Retroshare not only allows you to access your friend’s files but also indirectly the files of the friends of your friends and even their friends and so on and on…

      This is called “turtle routing”. The requests are spread throughout the network and if anyone has the requested file it gets routed back to you through the line of trusted friends that build the network.

      Combined with the so called Small World Theorem that states that everyone knows everyone through only a few connected friends this could be theoretically offer as much material as BitTorrent but without the need to expose your IP-address to strangers.

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    Long live the Internet death to the entertainment industry and scumbag governments.

    • Googlegayguy

      hi ther cute stuff fancy a bum.

  • Ender Wiggin

    8 bucks a month for btguard is a great investment in my opinion. i haven’t had any problems in 2 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelschmidt524 Michael Schmidt

    http://offload.sf.net is an alternative for ANONYMOUS TORRENTS.

  • Anyone

    it’s an interesting idea, but it relies on people you know which severly limits the content.

    for now I stick with torrents

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelschmidt524 Michael Schmidt

    here my key:

    —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–
    Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32)

    mQENBE0Z0rIBCAC2wT/EuElQqNoo2WvCs1eAA/bQwDbmWDsKJ53PFTPCSU/dWf/S
    ltRocwj3reEjFh6VcA2eeGBuX+Hhcmi+ADe+QaRs8soSjWNoKgOIi/qYoKi/N6YO
    vgWyMBAMAr5nDxuSKLEAkJ6McnPkFo0sIFFUTXuOehO2Ertdsnu9c1o2fQtc5UMG
    ovKNkB26ZKs8UKRIQd94g9V9I/GAGJiyr3TBuFnSjvoSk8/9N8GeHj5uaTzEiOdT
    XAtDrOrtddIplsp/Amui+hW6YKXILBlOIjjkU3atlKG1KJKXTu/xNiC++bnhc5No
    tDe4FRQi6ND75r92ucJ8vmo+WxE2GL1TfUaTABEBAAG0K1Nub3V0IFNwb3V0IChn
    ZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgUmV0cm9zaGFyZSkgPHhYeD6JATYEEwECACAFAk0Z0rICGy8G
    CwkIBwMCBBUCCAMEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBdE1lt/nrDGICKB/9o6gkNqZXuHXqt
    XoyHSsndPpvvFh47Dd3lmwvcnDIj/0pkhr8EzXSWNSuBhBxnYpo727pOZPpyDDoq
    pBk8faVDD6ku4U4U515GlI4UgeNnkjc5hW6L8ObyGX43X+f6PNscbTF0qdNa+o2Y
    kirKhD/DivqYQvCqGxfH+e521g2KQUpw0suioc6q5vK0e+eKwiCVQ72GFiM3EZmg
    FUnqmK2/xp2xvJO/dlGYBtDbR8T+UmDLLpj/FmINNkBpXkbwQiuo+vuySgP0WuXR
    4mHfvqeC5qtVs7YRACwxkhI30ygWuIjjT3pf4H0WwY2AEz5qFzeb6ucyaHiHCQ8Z
    4mVsG/wX
    =k4aj
    —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

    • Wtf

      thank god u didnt post the last 2 lines lol which include your ip retroshare requires a handshake and when connecting initially u have to have the ip of somebody to connect u should use it between trusted friends only as it does show ur ip location granted that doesn’t matter if your using a vpn

    • RetroShare_user

      Your key is useless without the LOCATION. You can strip the IP out if you want, but not the LOCATION…

    • Harry

      You shouldn’t give away your Retroshare-key away just like that!

      This spoils the whole concept of trusted connections…

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

  • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

    Whats that???

    I think I hear Chris Dodd crying

    • Desu75

      The anti-piracy nuts will now be in the business of social engineering. How do you “know” anyone over the Internet, especially some basement dweller which I imagine is the biggest consumer of pirated movies.

  • alaxandra

    there is a retroshare-board for german users already: http://retroshare.info/

  • http://theupwind.blogspot.com HostFat

    Did you give a look a this one?
    http://www.stealthnet.de/en_index.php

  • SkypeSucks

    Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroshare

    Simple example http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/chat-friends-securely-privately-retroshare-im/

    Once VOIP and Video Chat are ready this can be even more useful

  • Anon

    @Anyone (the reply button is cutoff by the page): But how are you supposed to trust someone else over the internet? As someone else mentioned, it wouldn’t be too difficult to use social engineering to infiltrate one of these supposedly secure networks. It should be no news that the internet thrives on anonymity. Unless you know and trust the person in real life, there’s no way to know for sure who is on the other end. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that most people don’t have a group of friends in real life that they have for the sole purpose of sharing files over a secure network.

    • Anon

      Allow me to revise part of my statement: “The internet thrives on anonymity” – at least far as actually knowing the person on the other end (there’s no way of knowing if they are using social engineering tactics to monitor your activities). Obviously that’s not the case with BitTorrent, hence this new technology.

    • Anyone

      the group of friends doesn’t have to be for the purpose of filesharing, it can be any friends.

      since you can get all files all your friend’s friend’s friends etc. have, once this network grows large enough it should also be filled with content.
      of course there is a starting point that can be traced to the next friend, but that’s about it, there is no large swarm to observe and sue like it is with bittorrent
      on the downside that means it is also slower until we get better upload speeds.

      once pushed hard enough by the MAFIAA such steps will become necessary to be free of censorship.
      hopefully we will stop the MAFIAA well before that.

  • magnetz

    This is not a software change only, this is a change in philosophy too. A migration from public sphere to private sphere will change the file sharing ecosystem drasticaly. In this point bittorrent is a perfect example of changes ocurring: It merge ancient http centralized system in a website index that you can download and upload a .torrent file and a descentralized private network that you can download files pointed by the .torrent file. This changes suffocate the internet as we known and do not uses the truly potential of the net. We will not use internet in the future to share files, we will use a private portion of network that is more like a BBS instead a net of nets, as internet proposes itself. This looses can be payed by future generations and content MAFIAA will change this focus to darknets and its users. So is time to go back to the real internet and fight for that.

    • Desu75

      So true. If you think about it, anywhere you can go… so can they. You don’t really know anyone on the Internet anyways unless you know them IRL. So unless these private trackers are made up of IRL friends, then they can and will be infiltrated.

      • Harry

        “You don’t really know anyone on the Internet anyways unless you know them IRL. So unless these private trackers are made up of IRL friends, then they can and will be infiltrated.”

        Retroshare is NOT a private tracker that is either very small or else so big it could be infiltrated.

        Retroshare not only allows you to access your friend’s files but also indirectly the files of the friends of your friends and even their friends and so on and on without contacting those indirect friends directly (the data is routed down the line of friends).

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

      • Chris Dodd
  • Mwhahaha

    This is not a real sharing network like torrents are.

    The beauty of torrent sites is you can get pretty much anything, because someone somewhere has it. This seems more akin to how you used to lend LPs (look them up, kiddies) to friends to tape a copy of them.

    The ‘network’ still either needs someone to rip something from TV or rented DVD, cam a film from the cinema or actually go BUY something. Shock!

    The only way it works as well as torrents is when the circle of people is wide enough, and the wider the circle gets, the more chance you have of infiltration.

    It’s not as if even Scene groups have been infiltrated and sold down the river before now is it… oh…. wait….

    Also if you’re caught on on of these, is the “wasn’t me, twas my neighbour” argument really going to wash?

    Can’t say it attracts me at all.

    • Mwhahaha

      OK I suppose it does have the attraction of minimizing risk over a small group of friends who all want to d/l the same kinds of things. One torrents it then shares it with the rest.

      Now where to find me some of those friend things…

    • Anyone

      it still works similar to that
      if someone has it, and there is a “friend line” to you, you can get it. think of it as “six degrees of bacon”, but with files ;)

      the problem is that it needs to reach critical mass before it can compete with bittorrent’s content, but given enough censorship by the MAFIAA it is possible.

      • Harry

        Exactly!

        Retroshare is build on the idea of the Six degrees of separation theorem.

        You are not only supposed to access your direct friend’s files but can indirectly also access the files of the friends of your friends and also their friends and so on and on.

        And since over an average of 6 degrees everyone knows everyone this could provide a huge filebase while your IP-address is still only known to your directly trusted friends.

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

  • Desu75

    One of the problems is there are so many budding alternatives right now that we can’t really decide between i2p, Offload, Retroshare, iMule, Tribler, etc.

    Many of us have seen this problem since BT’s explosive popularity around 2004.

    Unfortunately many ISPs are beginning to answer to us with fucking caps.

    • Retroshare_user

      That’s true, but trying them should help you decide ;).

  • Gustavo

    To summarize, there is the huge lack of confidence on the private handling of internet, which, euphemistically, is know as “a free environment”.
    When countries like Brazil and India try to advance talks on some kind of internet control, ultimately, they’re addressing exactly this lack of confidence on private stakeholders (“do you really think that they don’t keep the logs, even if it is not legal?”, etc, etc…)
    Ultimately, what we are claiming here is for some kind of control, not on final users like us, but on big players, otherwise known as multistakeholders.
    So, the next time you hear about people accusing someone of menacing “freedom” on the internet, first, ask yourself if you really think the internet, as it is today, is really a free environment. Maybe there are players like China that are really concerned about controlling end users, but there are others who talk of controling it exactly to prevent this kind of abuses that everyone here is complaining about.
    Internet, as it is today, is the perfect implementation of neoliberal practices, and as that, the word “freedom” can get two meanings, depending who’s talking: the user or the private internet stakeholders.
    We have to fight against players like MPAA and the like, but we also have to fight to get some kind of control to the ones that, ultimately, already own the internet, like ISP’s and other kinds of powerful internet users like them.
    I’m thinking, for example, on controls like the ones recently implemented on Chile, which, I think, are in synch with same controls that countries like Brazil and India are claiming to implement.
    Just to think about it.

  • Derp

    USEnet/Newsgroups binaries are already decentralized and anonymous

    • Amen

      Amen to that!

      btw, xsusenet is screaming fast lately.
      Gotta love those free SSL accounts.

    • Harry

      Usenet is as much “decentralized and anonymous” as the whole bunch of cyberlockers are…

      You have to trust your usenet-provider / cyberlocker that he doesn’t record what you are downloading (or don’t let any MPAA/RIAA lawyer access that data) and if your usenet-provider / cyberlocker gets shut down you must hope that others will continue the business.

      And now look what we got with Megaupload…

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Loller

      STFU, you ego-stroking fuckwit!

      The first rule of Usenet…

      • Loller

        …is that you must pay.

  • Guest

    love these type of articles

  • http://twitter.com/rottedcockmeat rottedcockmeat

    drip….drip……..drip…………………drip

  • Swarm

    Swarming … http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_download_the_same_file_from_several_users.3F

    Can I download the same file from several users?

    Yes. RetroShare searches through all your friends files looking for a matching file hash. Once it finds a friend that has a file with a matching hash it will begin downloading the file from that friend. RetroShare also tries to download from people you’re not directly connected to using RetroShare’s turtle F2F ability.

    RetroShare supports downloading from multiple friends in parallel (swarming).

    -This does have potential. No visible IP when you are “swarming”.
    (If I understand the tech correctly)

    • Anyone

      the IP is visible only to your friends, you can’t get around that
      but your friend’s friends don’t see your IP, but you can still download from them (through your friends)

  • Cloneanywebsite

    Good news :) goooooo Pirates !!! :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_672AEDGO4L3OGVD346IELQIESY Dustin R

    So long as legitimate avenues kow-tow to the content distribution agencies and permit them to respect their distribution agreements with retail chains, piracy will flourish.

    Want to end piracy? Beat them at their own game. Put the content on YOUR servers FIRST. Provide them via a fast connection, at a price commensurate with the radically reduced distribution cost (Physical distribution costs make up over 90% of the price of every form of media. Those costs are gone. That means prices need to drop DRASTICALLY, or else a 10x greater share goes directly to the artist. Distributors no longer offer a valuable product.). Provide unencumbered files which do not require using custom software. Provide them globally the instant they are made available, and for an identical price. The fact piracy is free is only one very small part of its attraction for people. It’s also faster, delivers a better product, ignores ancient regional differences, and does not respect censorship. Content PRODUCERS can do all of those things. Content DISTRIBUTORS are their sole hurdle. So long as distributors stand in the middle and slow everything down, make the product worse in a multitude of ways, and stand by their distribution agreements with retailers, piracy will thrive.

    • Guesy

      It’s been said a hundred thousand times but they never listen. Screw them, let them suffer.

    • Djc

      Totally agree with this.

  • Tes

    we must stand together and we must fight by any means necessary or file sharing will be wiped off the planet for good. we must stand united.

    • Lordoftorture

      Even if they destroy the internet file sharing will go on. If file sharing managed to destroy some business it was commercial piracy – pirated video and audio cassetes, CDs. Remember those? They were about 5 times less expensive than original and were a better service but now they are completely gone. I remember how someones used to travel abroad buy bunch of audio cassetes and all his friends copied it into they own cassetes. Today you can pick up your external HDD and go to a friend and share files on spot. I see people already doing this for larger files like BDs. If you have 20 of those it is faster to go and load them up with 6GB/s while you socialize. then protect your HDD with strong pass and go home. Fuck MPAA and RIAA. I will never be a customer to people who treat me like farm animal.

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  • Foxaholic

    Some zip files are begining begging to get into sites to obtain password, presumably to avoid censorship. It may be that sharing becomes unviable by … “pirates”? How ironic. PS: password that you almost never found.

  • Anonymous

    Just a question: does Retroshare has some cache/unity/… like Share/Perfect Dark/Freenet/GNUnet has? I mean if Bob send data to Alice but they both know only Peter who is their friend (but they are not friends) then are the data cached at Peter so that when Tom requests them and he is friend of Peter then he get data directly from Peter?

    This way is much faster, because data are not transfered twice between Bob and Peter. Security can be done in such a way that data are encrypted with a key which can be obtained from Bob and also Peter has this cache with data packages encrypted, so that if police raids his home they will not get much evidence. Even if they decrypted his cache, then data is still encrypted with key from Bob (which can be obtained publicly…) but then Peper can deny that he knew what is in data because he himself did not obtained the key from Bob (plausible deniability). This is of course less secure situation…

    But there is not actually much need for “perfect” security because many of us in Europe not only share but we also grow some ganja or schrooms because in many countries penalties might be even less harsh than those for illegal filesharing (in my country you can get maximally half a year for growing ganja, so as long as you don’t have too much dried material and do not sell to anyone the maximal penalty is actually less than for filesharing which is three years). Of course if they raid you and do not obtain evidence for illegal filesharing but found out another illegal activity going on, then with good lawyer there is a chance to make any other evidence unusable at court, so while they take your herbs and equipment, they can’t sentence you into prison and loss is only financial. If they get you on probable cause, you get a sentence for the biggest crime (we do not add years) so it is all good for someone who is commiting crime to do several at a time so that his “profit” from that is bigger while punishment remains same.

    Imagine you are sixteen years old and filesharing a LOT, then go grow some ganja to some well hidden place like a field or forest and on top of that go fuck some hot 14 years old chicks. If you are less than 18, maximal punishment is only half of those for adults, so even better ;)

    So why to commit only one crime at a time? Fuck the authorities, fuck da police, laws are stupid because they are against people who just want to have some fun and pleasure. Because there is NO FUTURE for anyone anyway, so why not take all the fun NOW?

    • Thom

      http://offload.sf.net is not yet implemented in retro

      • Anonymous

        Oh my gosh, how many such different clients and networks are implemented right now? I did not know THIS one, so just another in a list. This is a problem, there are TOO MANY anonymous file sharing networks and thus user base is low. Someone should create a meta-client for all these or they should merge into one project. It would be nice to have a “gate” to other networks so that if Bob is in Freenet and GNUnet and someone search for something in GNUnet then Bob would forward the question into Freenet and then he would forward replies. I don’t know if this would be possible, maybe there is a need for some new protocol just for communication between clients of such networks so that they can cooperate, then programmers of all those networks would implement the protocol and hey, now users of Retroshare would download from guys with iMule for example, and vice versa, as long as one user would have running several clients at once, they would cooperate and forward data.

        • Harry

          “now users of Retroshare would download from guys with iMule for example”

          I hope not. iMule uses I2P, so you have no trusted connections, but any stranger can connect to your PC and request data.

          Problem is: In some countries it is enough to provide the data, even if you just forward it, to get a lawsuit. Same goes for OFFload and all those other open networks…

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Retroshare_user

      No such cache for file transfers, but forums are propagated from friend to friend.

  • Non

    I have no friends, retroshare irrelevant to me?

    How do you gain peers “friends” on retro, if they don’t trust you which will more likely happen, then this program is useless too me to get files.

    If I have no VPN, is this retro client useless too me?

    Too use this program, you must have friends and a VPN?

    • Retroshare_user

      A VPN doesn’t hurt, but is not necessary. You’re unlikely to randomly make friends with a law enforcement agent at this time… Look for other users in forums or IRC… Or try the official retroshare forum on sourceforge.

      • Retroshare_user

        PS: even your friends can’t easily know what you’re downloading or uploading. They *could* know which files are forwarded by your node, but not if you’re the source or destination. Theorically.

        • Echelon

          Just to note: you cannot tell if a “friend” is good or evil,or?
          What if your friend tells all your traffic to the FBI/law enforcement?
          You did trust the wrong one.
          Even your wife/man can be evil.

          About traffic: your friends can tell what you download/upload. Not easy, but they can. Why use this system? If they can tell, use FTP/non-anon system insteads. No need to hide, or?

          echelon

        • Ralph Brubaker

          ok

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you could play some online games first to get some friends and hopefully you wil run into someone with more friends. Or “verify” a friend by downloading from him directly some content – if he commited a crime willingly he is most probably real pirate. If you have some particular interest in some genre, go to forums or private trackers, share there something and try to persuade other peoples to go to another network and be “friends” with you. By the way those people does not have to be your “friends”, all what you want to check is that they are not your enemies, ie. police or mafiaa.

      • me

        “Or “verify” a friend by downloading from him directly some content – if he commited a crime willingly he is most probably real pirate.”

        Careful here: the problem is that MAFIAA- or police agents provocateurs may have the license to upload some files to you, so that you can swallow the bait. Just because someone sent you a file doesn’t mean it was illegal FOR HIM to upload it, even though it was illegal for everybody else.

        • Ralph Brubaker

          ok

        • Anonymous

          Then check your country’s laws. In my country police cannot commit a crime to get evidence or for infiltration purposes, so if a need for more security arised I would go this way. There is another problem of course – courts are so stupid that for search warrant it is enough to show them a screenshot of DC++ with IP address and list of files or your IP in torrent client, something that can be easily faked. So if some mafiaa wanted to get you then only thing they need is your IP address and they could fake it all.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

        • ok

          ok

  • Spongebob

    Easiest solution is to get a job and actually buy the stuff.

    • Anon

      Oh cool, tell me where I can get the newest family guy episode. I forgot which website offered me to actually pay for this stuff in europe.

      Accessing netflix tells me “Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country… yet”.

      • Tom

        “You can’t always get what you want,
        But if you try sometimes, you might find
        You get what you need”

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • would if i could
      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • me

      And help finance their war on file sharing by buying their stuff? No thanks.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • Guest

      Easier than a few mouse clicks is it?

  • strider

    I live in a country where my ISP tracks and hands over information to MAFIAA, RIAA etc… Would i need to invest in a VPN to securely access this network?

    • Anonymous

      No, but you would have to make 100% sure that you connect only to people you trust. The data goes encrypted between you and them, so only knowledge they can get is that some data were exchanged between you and them. BTW which country do you live in?

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

  • Anonymous

    Wonder what the IFPI, RIAA and MPAA can come up to stop this. They must be pulling their hair out from the roots when they attempt each time to stop something that doesn’t fall into good hands with them. They chat so much sh!t and I hope to God one of their dinosaur-CEOs are going to realise they need to adjust their current business model.

    Thank you and fuck you MAFIAA

    • Anyone

      that’s what happen when you try to go against human nature

      • Tom

        It takes a rational mind to fight against human nature. Human nature isn’t anything to be proud about.

        • Ralph Brubaker

          ok

        • MadAsASnake

          What on earth is rational about figthing human nature?

        • Anonymous

          Human nature is rational. If you could fight it on a large scale, planned economy would work. As would information control and Imaginary Property.

  • popeye

    Only a matter of time before its illegal to use software like this. The funny thing is how much they been screaming and wanting to protect against Childporn but we all know that reson always been genuine BS for just being able to bypass laws and idiot behavior that otherwise never would been accepted. Darknets is not something new and it will be more and more advanced and the feds/police all over the world will scream for more and more power so they can monitor us even more then they already do today and that is way too much! 1984 is already here…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqMcOCDJ0-g

    • bigrock

      Yes, they have clearly chosen their path and will not change it, so we can expect the future to become very grim.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

        • Brubaker’s brother

          ok

    • Anonymous

      Making the software illegal? Well, I’d like to see how that would be enforced. Not much of the internet would, strictly speaking, remain.

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  • radioman

    fucked world, nothing new ;}

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • ME

    We should all just position thermite over our hard drives not terribly hard to make. Makes quick work of your hard drives forget formatting in a police raid or seizure. It’d kill the entire computer half the components would be goo. You wouldn’t be able to tell the hard drive from the motherboard. Done. They can’t get you for destroying your own computer in the privacy of your own home.

  • Blackplan

    Can’t stop the Signal, Mal.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • Anonymous

    I actually never thought about it like that before, that really makes a lot of sense dude.
    Gone-Anon.at.tc

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • Skint musician

    Wonderful. Here you all are desperately trying to find a way to continue to take other people’s work for free, and boy, do you put some effort into it.

    OK. I can accept that you all feel pissed at major corporations etc etc etc – but I’m one of those people who creates the content you guys are so desperate to get for nothing.

    I’ve never been signed by any major record label. I don’t work with those people. I just make the music, and I do all the usual stuff that us tiny indies do, and yes, you can listen to the entirety of my catalogue, online, for absolutely nothing. You don’t have to torrent it, or hide behind a false IP, or any of that shit.

    You can just click on the tunes, and they’ll play back, for free.

    All people like me ask is that now and then someone actually pays something for it. I look at the stats, and what do I see ? Thousands – and I mean thousands and thousands – of plays, yet the sales are in the low tens, for all those plays. It’s just pitiful.

    So I’m chucking this shit in. I can’t afford to go on investing time, effort, and money, in making music if there’s just no way it will pay. And don’t go telling me I can make it back through gigs and T shirts. To do that requires a minimum investment of about $40,000 in promo – just the promo- to get the numbers up enough to make that pay.

    Promo money only the majors can play with – small fry like us can’t compete.

    Your activity hits people like us, right in the fucking balls. So just remember, when you putting in all the effort to dodge the big guys.

    It’s the little guys you’re really hurting.

    • Steori

      Get a real job then.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • Anyone

      those that played the songs probably thought they were not worth the money.

      if you can’t sustain yourself through your art either get a sugar daddy or a paying job.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • Slightly Farcical

      Stop whining FFS.

      Admit that you would love to suck down hard on all the cock that the majors had to give if it was offered to you.

      You have a skewered view of what you expect back from your music. You think you should be featured on MTV Cribs at some point because you made so much money and have this massive fucking house from writing some shitty 3 minute ditty that some stupid starlet sang on and was later used in an advert.

      The vast majority of people in industrialised nations are getting by with just about enough yet you want to live a pampered fucking life because you write music? Get a fucking grip of yourself. You are nothing more than a minstrel. You do not produce anything tangible, you are not researching a cure for cancer, you are not building houses, schools and hospitals.

      Oh… you say you’re creating art? Really? All of the people whose music that I call art expected nothing from it when they wrote it, their only motivation was that they had to write it or they would explode. Most of them died in obscurity and had little or no recognition when they were alive, let alone make any money.

      You’re living through a time in history where there is the opportunity for a massive revolution to take place and the masses own and control the flow of information, have a chance to throw off the old distribution models that cornered all the wealth and power into the hands of a small minority and you sit here and whine like a little bitchy cunt.

      Please, take your shitty music and fuck off into obscurity.

      • Harry

        How do you know his music is bad?
        Fact is, also a lot of good music gets copied for free.

        And there is no reason for insults.

        • Harry

          Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

      • Realist

        One of the best posts I have read on here for while.

        Bravo!

      • guy who distributes internets

        Wow, sir. Words fail to describe the depth of insight in your post. I respectfully bow.

        Here, sir, have +1 internets.

    • O’lay Pirate

      If all these people are listening to your music and not going through to payment then it’s simply down to the fact that your music must such – or the people playing the tracks aren’t the right target audience.

      People go anonymous to hide from the major labels – not from indie artists, so it’s irrelevent to talk about that.

      I personally listen to indie music more than mainstream music. I download their songs for free if I do not like them THAT much – others I’ve paid for which I thought deserved the money, not only that but I also brought the band tshirts to show my support.

      All you need to do is get fans, if you don’t get fans nobody will want to pay for the music…. at the end of the day it comes to this: you need to make good music to make sales.

      • Ralph Brubaker

        ok

    • Harry

      Yes, going to the other extreme isn’t right either.

      Maybe there will be something like the culture-tax/sharing-license in the future as promoted by people like Lawrence Lessig (“compensation without control”). Or they could at least make things like Hulu and Netfilx available in Europe.

      On the other hand for example here in Germany there is now a new government regulation that the public media networks have to delete their own productions from the net after 7 days because the private television networks fear they might make less profits if high-quality tax-payer-funded material is permanently made available to the public. Because of actions like these and because capitalistic companies in general don’t care about the public (unless it has something to do with profit) one doesn’t like the idea to give those people control over everything on the net.

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Evilcrabsitch

      If I can listen to all your songs for free and download premium versions(for a charge) in a non DRM’ed format of my choosing or preferably FLAC or Wav. I would give you money. if you have one good song and the rest of the album sucks then you really lose all the incentives to pay for music. In reality you stand to make money if you make it easy to get your content and easy to give you money IE donations where you choose your own price and offer perks for example donations of $15 plus gets an signed album shipped. This sort of model has been used successfully with kick-starter. Offer merchandise (cafepress.com is an option, really there is no excuses) and grow a fan-base. People sharing your music is free advertisement for you and your band and adds exposure. Without exposure you may have a good album that no one will be able to listen to basically killing your self by obscurity. Bands like Nine Inch Nails and Radio head offered their music for free and they made over a million each. Don’t base your business model after the old, outdated and dying business model. Exposure Exposure Exposure. File sharers are some of the biggest promoters and do tell friends of music they like which promotes your brand. I am sure if you are any good you can find a business model that works. And link to your site / how people can hear your content or give you money every chance you get. Enjoy the links below may they help you. Good luck and the best of wishes to you.

      http://www.kickstarter.com/
      http://cashmusic.org/
      http://www.jamendo.com/en/
      http://www.cafepress.com/

  • GNUnet FTW

    “Earlier this month we wrote about Tribler, a decentralized BitTorrent client that makes torrent sites obsolete. We’ve covered Tribler for more than half a decade, but it was only after our most recent post that it really took off with more than a hundred thousand downloads in a few days.”

    Cool, now please will TF do an article on GNUnet. Once that network is popular enough we can put bittorrent to bed, relax and have a good old laugh at the MAFIAA and all those wasted millions and millions.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

  • Echelon

    Just to note: retroshare and OFF and all these nets have one big security breach:
    Files from direct connected nodes (which IPs you have in your TCP/IP monitor) do get in far faster than files from other nodes. So you can see which files your direct connected node does share.
    If that node is a “friend” you do see the shares of your friend. Great. the other way round: your friend does get the files you do share. But why use a anon network with that friends? Just use FTP with them or RDP or else, if a friend do see all my shared files, I do not need anonymity. Really.
    And you got no friends – you never can be sure your friends does work for FBI or else. How could you?

    echelon

    • Harry

      “But why use a anon network with that friends? Just use FTP with them or RDP or else, if a friend do see all my shared files, I do not need anonymity. Really.”

      Retroshare not only allows you to access your friend’s files but also indirectly the files of the friends of your friends and even their friends and so on and on without contacting those indirect friends directly (the data is routed down the line of friends so you don’t know their IP-addresses).

      • Harry

        Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

    • Retroshare_user

      You’ve obviously never used RetroShare.

  • Anon

    The pirate talk is so effing stupid. All you ever talk about is how to keep getting stuff for free. If you had balls and a functioning conscience you’d be advancing ways to pay full price legally and directly to the artists, each time EVERY time, crippling the cartels and preserving our online rights.

    As it is you effing morons only care about finding yet another way to break the law for awhile until they close that route down, too, compelling government and industry to squash us all. Selfish, destructive, script kiddie idiots, every last one of you.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      (oops, didn’t mean to reply to you)

    • tonyj

      Do you have any compelling ideas????
      Because I’m sure people would listen.

    • Anyone

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones
      that should explain it nicely

    • Anonymous

      From my personal point of view, the “creative” industry is trying to eliminate filesharing with the unfortunate and inescapable side effect of eliminating key segments of ordinary private communications.

      That being the case, my conscience actually tells me to ensure I keep pissing off every artist standing on the side of the copywrong cartel. Because in my book, any loyal foot soldier attempting to deprive me of my ability to communicate in private deserves nothing more than a bullet to the head to start with.

      The new paradigm is that artists who put up a paypal/flattr button along with their works will get goodwill. Any of them who side with the MPAA/RIAA are the enemy and should be treated as such. It would be a good thing if we COULD starve them into nonexistence. Since piracy can’t impact that though, we’ll just have to settle for ensuring such people get no money from us personally at least.

  • Harry

    Admin, please remove all my comments from this news-article.

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  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    The government will probably make it illegal for websites to host the RetroShare software.

    • Ralph Brubaker

      ok

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Or they’ll target the makers of RetroShare and imprison them for shit they didn’t do.

      • Ralphies brother

        ok

    • Tom

      nonsense, any messenger allows file transfer and skype is as well an encrypted messenger.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        You have to agree, though, the government sort of excels at nonsense. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/TonyAldo Anthony Aldorasi

    Whats the point if the keys reveal your IP?

    • Retroshare_user

      You seem to be making an assumption that I can’t figure out.

      • http://twitter.com/TonyAldo Anthony Aldorasi

        I’m not

    • Anyone

      the point is that you only give the key to someone you actually trust

      • http://twitter.com/TonyAldo Anthony Aldorasi

        Yea I can see that, but atleast encode it base64 or something if you want to share it with other people who you dont know fully.

        • Retroshare_user

          Doing that would only create an illusion of security.

          At least with the IP clearly visible in the certificate, people who don’t want to show it to the world know they should opt to share their key by private means.

          But anyway, publishing your RetroShare certificate complete with IP address only tells others that you want to use RetroShare, not what you’re going to do with it. Unless you tell them at the same time, of course…

  • czech pirate

    All this talk is somehow completely off for me. Sharing with direct friends for common stuff. All this means internet is effectively broken. How I in central europe can discover and get fansubbed japanese drama then? Legal means are impossible completely. It will never be offered here, let alone subbed. Exactly this is great on free internet. You can discover and get something entirely different and new to that what you already know. Of course, stuff everybody is crazy about, like some new blockbuster, you will always get by whatever means. But discovering and getting something unusual and different? How you will do that in friend based closed environment? In past few years my world view changed so radically thanks to this. You know what? I piss on some shit like ne Avengers blockbuster. I am more interested in something like serial Motto Atsui Zo! Nekogaya!!. How I will get this in close environment in central Europe?

    • Retroshare_user

      With RetroShare and other friend to friend networks, you have access to what the friends of the friends of the friends of… your friends have to share, so it’s not limited to your direct friends. Moreover, no-one prevents you from making friends with people from other countries or even members of fansubbing groups… You could also learn japanese. Be creative :).

    • Tom

      the tvtorrents.org portal already switched to retroshare, with loading from friends of friends you get as well japanese tv seasons,

  • Tom
  • Me

    Freenetproject.org. It’s already ready already.

    • Tom

      freenet is p2p and not f2f and tried to implement a trusted friend structure over p2p, that is insecure, as retroshare makes a p2p network (turtle hopping) over f2f. There is only retro and offload, and imule due to high popularity of the donkey network, one of three will succeed in the end and TorrentFreak is right, retro and interface.sf.net have the best chances.

      • Anonymous

        Freenet supports darknet. By default it limits how many non-darknet connections it makes.

        You could easily configure Freenet to run entirely in darknet mode and not accept connections from anyone not whitelisted.

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  • http://peer.to/peer Roberto

    Another new peer to peer open source project but focused on web hosting, like retroshare works with private and public keys http://peer.to/peer and https://github.com/Captainkrtek/OpenRelay

  • Anonymous

    Magnet links (as they are linked today from TPB) still depend heavily on centralized components, trackers.

    The way it’s working right now with major clients is the following.

    Your client talks to any of the trackers specified by the “tr=” parameters and sends the infohash specified by the magnet url, the tracker(s) will give you a list of peers sharing the torrent, then your client will perform a handshake with those peers and send an extension message that asks for the torrent metadata. Those clients that support this extension will send back the torrent metadata and then you’ll have the torrent.

    If this doesn’t work and your client supports any of the DHTs out there (BitTorrent DHT or Azureus DHT) it will try to perform a search for the torrent there, however, this method is not 100% effective (you might be behind a firewall, or UDP traffic might be blocked) so this is usually a secondary option, even though it’s the true decentralized way of sharing torrent metadata.

    And if any of those 2 fail, there’s this site called torcache.net that given an infohash returns a .torrent file if it’s cached there. This site however, tends to go down often.

    Cheers
    FrostWire Team

  • Anonymous

    Heck yeah dude, rest assured file sharing is not going away any time soon!
    Been-Anon.tk

  • Richard

    my muscle just grew over this article

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  • Louigi Verona

    Installed RetroShare. It is fantastic! Already started creating a net with my friends. RetroShare can very well turn into FutureShare )

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  • http://ryocentral.info Ryo

    I have no friends…

    • XXX

      Then connect to your enemies, those who bully you in class, so they can abuse your connectivity and download your collection of porn and then laugh at you!

      • http://ryocentral.info Ryo

        Damn… I just realized … I have no porn,too. Oh noez …

        Sent from my Android tablet

        • Mwahme

          tsk tsk. too bad. hehehehehehe

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    Darknets FTW!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Mooney/1395503509 James Mooney

    The government is hot to control America’s last chance at innovation, freedom, and prosperity. You can bet bribed pols like Chris Dodd and Lamar Smith are hot to bring down the Gestapo fist in return for their “campaign contributions” or big jobs like Dodd got. What scum they are.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that a lot of us are NEETs. Look what a neet is:

    NEET is a government acronym for people currently “not in education, employment, or training”. It was first used in the United Kingdom but its use has spread to other countries, including Japan, China, and South Korea. People under the designation are called NEETs (or Neets).

    In the United Kingdom, the classification comprises people aged between 16 and 24 (some 16-year-olds are still of compulsory school age); the subgroup of NEETs aged 16–18 is frequently of particular focus. In Japan, the classification comprises people aged between 15 and 34 who are unemployed, not engaged in housework, not enrolled in school or work-related training, and not seeking work. The “NEET group” is not a uniform set of individuals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

    We do not work because we do not want to work, hence we do not want to pay, we can’t afford such luxury. A lot of us are leeching our parents, so why we should not leech artists? He who did not live this lazy kind of life would not understand, it is that when you are at this age and state you are ripping off even yourself by buying only cheapest junk food to eat and your only aim is to minimize your payments so that you can continue living your lazy life of nothing-doing in your room in front of your pc.

    As a former NEET and half-hikikomori I can assure that working sucks a lot and I’m missing those years and wish them to return. Right now I could afford paying for stuff, but I don’t have any time to consume it, so there is no need for paying for that. Sad to say, but most of those pirates are KIDS who are the only ones who have time to consume. Kids or unemplyoed, like those caught in Japan for Perfect Dark, the group who infringes copyright most are those who can’t afford paying for it, but have a fucking lot of time for consumption.

    If you are unemployed for some time, you get used to slacking around and leeching, but not for paying…

  • Waseihou

    So which program would you recommend for general use, people answer plz someone! I’m making a list of anonymous file sharing networks on our local pirate’s party forum and really can’t decide which one should we promote as an alternative. There are so many of them, of course I ran into retroshare, but looking at it – it is using only MD1 for hashes, isn’t it obsolete algorithm? Well, at least it support UPnP and net traversal algorithms if I remember correctly so it is not that bad. But what about OneSwarm? How is that different from retroshare? It is being actively developed and forum is active, anonymity dark net can be created, it is open sourced, and on top of that it can act as a normal bittorrent client. Another posibility is I2P, it is a good and mature piece of software and the only problem with that is low user base. It would need a better bittorrent client though, and it can work as a layer for other applications.

    None of those solution offers a cache like freenet or gnunet, which I think is crucial for anonymity darknets to work fast. Look at Perfect Dark – it enforces 100GB cache so that it is useful for video sharing, but it is closed source and so we can’t recommend it because we can’t trust it. Closed source can be also simply discontinued without anynone being able to continue the work. GNUnet is also mature, but to create a client for windows a bit tricky and it is not feeling “at home” on Windows system, being compiled with layers like cygwin. GNUnet would be prefered to freenet because it supports swarming and multiple source download.

    So what should be used? I gathered information on maybe 20 or so projects which were being developed for some time and while a lot of them seems promising, there is always some catch which makes them difficult to use (compilation with D, no new release for several years, low user base, difficult to install, run or use…)

    Waseihou

  • Madman

    Well oneswarm (www.oneswarm.org) is the way to go i think it has the ability to connet you to the darknet even if you dont have the right friends.

  • Blah

    I can’t believe it’s not butter.

  • lawuk

    Hi Guys, im writing a legal paper in the UK regarding the Digital Economy Act 2010 and its technological feasibility and proportionality in combating piracy of digital music across p2p file sharing networks. I am interested in this anonymous, decentralised and uncensored file sharing tech. How difficult (or impossible) is it for a rights-holder such as a record label to discover that their works are being infringed, and to discover an IP address, and then for the ISP to verify this information? If the answer is that they cant do it, the i guess the Digital Economy Act is useless once these newly discovered networks are used more widely. Many thanks for anybody who can help.

    • Waseihou

      It is technically impossible to discover ip of source if an anonymous darknet is created correctly. Only if there is a bug in filesharing application then it can be accomplished, but the longer is some application being used, the more bugs are fixed.

      Look at I2P, there exists an illegal virtual market place where you can buy illegal drugs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29 and they simply can’t take it down. As long as there is free speech and democracy you can’t make effective laws against it.

      Of course it is sometimes possible to get some infringing user, but it is caused by the user’s fault. If user for example upload some illegal copy into this network and then post a link on a normal forum somewhere on web telling others to download it, then you can sometimes obtain IP of the user from that web and if it can be used as probable cause for search warrant then you can try to send police there. There can be also errors in built-in forums in those applications, which was the case for Winny, Share and Perfect Dark, which are known to be compromised right now, still they provide a high degree of anonymity and are EXPENSIVE to track.

      One of the solutions how to get information on users is to run the darknet yourself, have a lot of nodes and make people to add your nodes to their direct friends, then you could get statistical evidence that there is a high degree of probability that the user is source of a file. It is only case for low-latency networks because from users who are sharing it is downloading faster than if they work as a relay. There are techniques to avoid this way of detection which is to introduce delay into the network, thus making it less convenient for users, though still good for those who click they downloads in monday, during working week they do not watch content much while it is downloading and only have fun on weekend, when there will be more users it will not take a week but overnight…

      Another problem with making “fake” darknet is that it still works as a really so it actively helps to copyright infringement, if the darknet is used for copyright infringement which you can’t know because all data that goes through your nodes are encrypted. The trick with darknet is that people should connect only to trusted friends, then you can’t do anything, if you persuade someone to connect to your nodes then as long as his client works only as a relay you can’t do much too against him and you are even helping network connectivity.

      Some networks save relayed data packets into encrypted file which works as cache and the packets are themselves encrypted, so that user can plausibly deny that he did not know their content because he did no know key to decrpyt them. It is so that if such a computer serves as relay for some data and then some user who is connected to him want’s again same packets of data then they can provide it directly making the network faster. Because the data might be encrypted several times user can’t know what the data is, so there is a plausible deniability.

      In Great Britain there is this law that forces user to give his password, there is a solution to that with truecrypt which can have two password for two different partitions saved in one encrypted file and one might contain legal data while the other might(!) serve for more “shady” purposes and you can’t prove that the file conains two sets of encrypted data, because the user gives the password as ordered by court so he can’t be convicted for that. For example Freenet allows the cache data to be saved without being in encrypted file so that user can use his own scheme of encryption which might be safer for him if he is in more “problematic” country.

      Even if you banned using such networks and made it crime to even own such software (which would not be democratic because the software is not itself infringing and it can serve for anonymous exchange of perfectly legal data, like political discussions or opinions, you know not everyone wants to know what they really thing so they can’t speak freely on public without being anonymous), there exists schemes that could make it really difficult to enforce anti-piracy laws. Look at

      Owner-Free File System = brightnet

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFF_System
      and more detailed explanation there:
      http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/CopyNumbCJ.pdf

      There exists a relatively simple mathematical way (operation XOR) how to encode an infringing file into several blocks of data (just several more files) in such way that those blocks seems like random (and they actually are) and on top of that there is created a “manual” (OFF URL – a “link”) which can be used to reassemble the original the file from those blocks of noise. Not only that, any block can be used in such way that it becomes building block of another file, which might be perfectly legal. For example you have a block A which can be used in assembly of DVD rip of some film and which is publicly saved on some server like megaupload, then someone can record his own speech with political ideas B and make a XOR operation between A and B, which results into C which is then also saved on that server (or another) and also OFF URL for that is created which tells that in order to get political speech B you have to download A and C and XOR them. So block A becomes a part of data to get the political speech B, which is an intelectual property of the speecher who can state that it can be shared freely. Removing A is impossible because it would violate free speech rights of the speecher. So the only way is to go after OFF URL of the infringing video, but OFF URL is MUCH SMALLER than the video as it only contains hashes of the blocks to assemble video from. The block themselves are saved in such a way that no blocks of the video are on the same server, which is another lawful layer which can be used for defense of server provider. The OFF URL could be shared in darknet, because it is small, while data could be shared publicly as they are only white noise. Because they can be interpreted as a big “number” and number cannot be copyrighted, it is another possible defense at court.

      Access to public servers with blocks of noise could be of course paid and someone could make money on that, for example download speeds could be dependend on filling captcha with advert, or the captcha could be on advertised pages so that user has to visit it and then after filling it he would obtain code to download blocks fast, so it is possible even to build business model over the darknet&brightnet combination. While darknet provides anonymity for uploaders, brightnet provides speed for downloaders. Because brightnet does not host files and do not even allows any searches and do not index it’s content, you can’t legally take it down. The data are of course useless without OFF URL’s, but for that there would be darknet which is difficult to take down by it’s very nature.

      So only solution to piracy problem is to:

      a) ban internet

      or

      b) force users to only have installed only software which was approved by the government and monitor everything what are they doing, it means absolute surveillance over people’s privacy, because even so they would be able to record their favourite series with high quality recording equipment (camcording own TV set) and share it, a lot of people are absolutely OK with shit quality of content anyway so it would not stop anything. Maybe there would have to be added digital marks to video and music and then the software on recording devices would have to be forced to detect if it is not recording protected content (so camcorder would shutdown if directed on TV set…). All this would make world extremely annonying, because you would have to check EVERYTHING. Customs would have to check that people do not import devices without those limitations and state would have to make it criminal offence to even own unapproved software or device which can record protected content even if using “analog hole”. Is it feasible to offend customer by assuming he is criminal? It would be extremely expensive to implement such totalitarian scheme…

      As long as democratic principles are present in law, there exists technical ways how to circumvent any legislation against piracy, it will take only some time for programmers to create the software.

      You actually DO NOT WANT more tougher anti-piracy laws:

      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/mi5-an-isp-lawsuit-and-an-e-petition-more-opposition-to-piracy-cut-off-plans/3187?tag=content;siu-container

      when people are forced to get more anonymous, then it will be more difficult to get evidence on real criminals and even some “stupid terrorists” – ff those young and angry boys with relatively low education learn how to use software which allows for real anonymity, how would you prevent really violent criminality? And if there will be need for such software, then it will be created in such a way so that common people could use it easily, even criminals. Right now most criminals who can at least use PC do not encrypt at all, because they don’t know they can and should, but if there is an anonymous forum in the app which they use “to download music”, then you can’t even know that the forum exists…

      The solution is to make the state even more totalitarian, if you have totality then the police can enter any household without probable cause and search for any signs of any crime, checking computers and closets, kitchen, anything, even inhabitants butts for SD cards…

      Or just ignore the situation and forget about anti-piracy laws, because the profits of entertaintment industry is growing anyway, so why bother?

      The solution = make a cool product which offers all the fun for reasonable price, like downloading anything you want for fixed monthly payment without DRM of anything annonying. Kids will love it and the space on drive, downloading speed and time will limit the amount of content they get by itself. Advertising of “cool” product will lead to more profits to copyright holders than any anti-piracy legislation.

      But if they want too much, in the end they will get much less, we know the technology how to circumvent any laws, it is only that it was not implemented because there was NO NEED until now. Darknets ARE SLOWER than bittorrent or cyberlockers, they CONSUME connectivity of internet and searches are also slower. That’s why they are not wide spread yet exept in countries like Iran, where they use tor a lot more.

      Waseihou

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  • Who

    this retro share looks just like the software that used the gnutella networks you shouldn’t trust it. BTW folks there is no legit way to download files anymore, the recording industry has already made sure of that. they have already dug there grave the question is how long before they put themselves in it.

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  • Chaddawikz

    We need a new wireless internet with no ISPs or Middlemen, just pump stuff into the air and grab stuff from it. Completely anonymous. The world grid comes to mind, which Tesla was prevented from tapping into to. Must be possible. Imagine that, all data, electricity, fuel (electomagnetic), all would be free. Definately bad for business.

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  • http://www.addvalue.com.au/ executive gifts

    When most English speaking nations get a Political ORDER from the executive branch prompted by American business interests, their Laws go out the window. Glad to hear NZ is not like that… LOL JK

  • Noway

    I think this applies right about now.

    http://www.10wallpaper.com/wallpaper/1680×1050/1112/ironic_evolution-Cute_funny_design_desktop_picture_1680x1050.jpg

    Anyway upgrading my security now.
    I`m using Utorrent + peerblock what´s your feeling about this combination if you
    remember to click encrypt incoming and outgoing in Utorrent?

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