“Perhaps the industry would be more keen to Globalization if the “fanned subtitles” community hadn’t already stolen the market share?”

Are you really that naive? globalisation is not an option my friend, it’s a fact. Your reply clearly demonstrates the industry’s lack of knowledge and foresight. Keen or not, its already happened, move with it or die, that is what free market economy is all about.

Your corporate clients are all too quick to demand a free market and less regulation until the point that it kicks them in the backside. You reap what you sow. THAT is the bottom line.

“Piracy leads to a decrease in sales. A lack of sales indicates that a film is not well liked by the masses. If a film is not liked by the masses, it is killed (no sequels, tv rights, etc).”

Yours definition of murder is as ambiguous as your definition of cogent. Are you meant to be a lawyer? You’re either a spotty teenager with a grudge yourself or you clearly don’t understand your own field. This has been demonstrated by the many huge errors made during TPB case. If you’re are all there is to worry about then people will go one fleecing your clients forever, just as you are doing.

Fansubbing a movie which, for ridiculous reasons, is not available in your native tongue seems perfectly logical, fair, and even can be seen to work FOR the industry. People watch the movie, enjoy it, and then might buy it from an overseas source, or when it FINALLY gets released in their language, will buy it because they enjoyed it. Not to mention want to see more work by the same actor/director/company.

For example, I’m in Australia. A reasonable, fairly upwardly-motivated country. We speak English. Movies made in Hollywood do not need to be subtitled, dubbed or otherwise altered for us (yes, Tarantino, your original audience needed Grindhouse dumbed down, the rest of us actually comprehended your intentions). Yet, over and over, movies have been released on DVD for weeks if not months before we even get it at the cinema! Silent Hill and Wall-E are two that I can think of off the top of my head, and for both of them we struggled to resist the temptation of buying from Amazon. Instead, we held off, watched it at the cinema and then bought the hideously marked-up Australian versions. I’m glad we did, but so many do not wait. Global (and I mean really global) releases are not that difficult, and certainly limit the temptation to download.

The industries really are just shooting themselves in their feet.

/end rant

This is very common in Europe, where movies are edited too late, and some of them don’t even get released. For example, The X-Files, are only been released this year in my country.

You should thank the fansubs, since they are simply promoting your work (movies, tv shows, anime …), if it wasn’t for them most of your (studios) work wouldn’t have the awareness you have now.

In my country, thanks to fansubs, large communities of TV fans where created. This opened the eyes of the local TVs broadcasters that bought the rights of many of the popular shows. Other shows are simply released straight to DVD.

Another thing, if fansub is illegal why do studios use them. Yes you’ve read it right. Many legal dvd’s and tv shows have fansubs subtitles in it. Here’s an example: http://vimeo.com/3065888

More importantly, it’s impossible to claim this harms revenue. If the movie in question wasn’t available with Hebrew subtitles, then it’s a fair bet that the majority of Israelis won’t pay for it. This, to my mind, would amount to added value rather than damages.

they need to start torrenting their pages so they CANT be shut down! torrent websites need to have an offline aspect to them to prevent them being hosted in any one spot.

if encryption aint there yet (for normal folk) then offline CAN be there. anyone getting a letter for take down should host their site via tpb and offline torrents, perhaps compressed into rar files to keep it as a whole w/o people messing much /w them.

torrents of torrents are also really cool. axxo had one i saw before. had like 700 movie torrents in one easy to download file. 23kb each torrent is like 20mb or so total size for the indexes to download…

so if sites did the same, we download 50mb then go on our way they would be helping quite a bit. :D

> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/14/234939/956

I shake my head in disbelief to be linked with this

you must be a very dumb person for saying sucha stupidities one after another and not looking at things as they are in first place.

Your “laws” can be translated in “Human rights violation” and “abuse of law”.

“dont cry, we are just harming you for our own protection” cop to jailed person

“miss we have to proceed to cavity search” cop to woman in airport

“im gonna teach you how to behave with a bunch of punches in your face” cop to cuffed person

there are tons of this articles written by persons that were the victims and saw the they couldnt do anything to be compensated cause “the law is the law” and shared their stories on the web.

I believe that there are really nice places to live in USA, but the image that represents USA is horrible and full of terror.

You call outsiders terrorists? Your government exports weapons.
They are the terrorists? your own elected representatives are the ones that ou should not trust.

But hey! this is what keeps saying to you year after year, you guys just dont do anything UNLESS it affects you all directly.

I consider myself a lucky and happy person for NOT living in USA.

Oh, and a proud pirate that buys all the movies that i really enjoyed. Im not the rich kind that buys movies that suck huge without knowing it.

Do you have a link on that? Because according to Israeli Copyright Act 2007 ( http://www.tau.ac.il/law/members/birnhack/IsraeliCopyrightAct2007.pdf ) this isn’t the case.

Anyway this is about control, selling the crap they want instead of the stuff you want. It’s the only reason why I do “pirate”. I go to iTunes, a shop, or whatever “legal” place to buy what I want. And the response of the “legal” dealer is always: “Sorry we do not have that but you can choose between our Star Academy and Eurovision delights”. Barf… I cannot stand their vomit so I have to go to Pirate Bay, emule or whatever place where I can get what I want. If the MPAA types do not want to sell it to me, it’s their problem. Because I’ll get it anyway. And certainly *not* buy their crap.

But these guys are just like horse carriage makers trying to ban the automobile in order to protect their obsolete business. They will just postpone their death a bit more. But at the end they will die the same.

Imagine world, where is no piracy. But where all those sites like Itunes, internet radios, youtubes… well all legal modern stuff is.

YOUR “loss” is counted from lack of selling DVD and CD’s. But it will never be back. It will never return. Those itunes, radios, etc etc provides 10* more comfort for 10* less money.

Killing all pirates will not bring back disk sales!!!

Dear MPAA, i guess that ever-growing itunes and other systems, that OFFER you more choises, for example “download just your favorite song instead of whole album” are competing piracy better than you can imagine.

I wrote it once and i will write it again – you see only money aspect behind everything. MONEY is not the only motivation why ppl rather download instead of buy DVD!

Imagine YOUR OWN “TheHollywoodBay” bittorrent tracker. You can download first hand, hi quality and clean stuff, using some VERY SIMPLE PAY METHOD and pay system, as i wrote over.

IF ANYONE on this planet still thinks, that DRM will force someone to buying MORE pieces of the stuff, just to play it in car and the computer at once, he is… extremely stupid.

Too bad this guy Teva didn’t show, he is likely a morron that wanted to loose.

Infidels Obey.

You Read unauthorized Subtitles you
die.

Yeah thanks RIAA

You really help everyone.

Make sure people cant enjoy the films in their own language, Christ they might actually be able to read the script.

And then sue them.

let’s list all the corporations who lead legal actions against user-friendly sites and boycott them.

WE are their own customers, let them know how they shoot bullets in their own legs!

Ehhh…There are no subscriptions for the Pirate Bay at all. Therefore there is no money going from me to Piratebay to terrorism.

The modern filesharer knows not to buy pirate dvds from a bootlegger on the street. And also, please show us your proof that these bootleggers are supporting al’Qaeda. I know quite a few of them and none of them support terrorism (it would kill of their customers, not to mention terrorism is evil).

Oh and read a dictionary for the definition of stealing. Please notice that noone ever has and ever will be prosecuted for “stealing” a movie. They are prosecuted for copyright infringement.
As I write this, I am looking at a box set Season 1-7 of Smallville on DVD. A friend showed me an episode on Youtube, got me hooked, so I forked out about 120 euroes for the box set. Since I don’t watch TV (I use mine for gaming and dvd/blu-ray) I would never have seen Smallville or bought that box set. And please, answer this for me:

A person creates a thirty second video of their baby dancing on Youtube. In the background playing is a copyrighted song by a well-known artist. The focus of this video is the mother showing off her baby’s dancing. Yet she is threatened with legal action simply because there is music playing in the background (remember, its 30 seconds, so the full song was not heard). Do you agree with this type of behaviour?

terrorists , hrm way its going that term will become meaning everyone NOT in the mpaa and riaa.

So keep that up, while i use this term to describe the mpaa
ECONOMIC TERRORISM
yes taking money form the poor at crazy rates , poor product sucky drm lessoned rights and increased surveillance.
AND ya know that people that don’t pirate don’t use the net will get nervy with all those cameras , that is also a cost of all this NON democratic fascist bullcrap nonsense.

im not going ot repeat the violent thoughts of one poster here but woa , i know and can feel it. if they don’t back off someone is gonna really get hurt and that’s NOT what i want over a music tune meant to bring emotion to your life.

When you sue dead people, people laid up in hospital beds and you sue disabled and poor, ya you the actor and musican in signed up to the mpaa and its been long enough time you know what they do, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE TO SAY, but it aint me doing it.
IT IS YOU.
DON’T SIGN TO THE MPAA or RIAA to make your films or music.
THEN you come here and tell us that and we’ll be happy to talk to you.

hrm ya a terrorist is gonna like slashdot said “p2p terrorist gets obama helicopter plans”
was that bitotrrent he used by chance ROFL if so wheres this torrent LOL fact is it was data theft off a hard drive
NOT p2p kiddy network shit.

STUPID TROLL
POOR reporting and poor wording and even more poor is the noob that cant figure it out

Internet focusing on this kind of relationship.such as__S e e k r i c h . c o m___it’s the biggest dating site for wealthy and successful people.

#84′s still satire, though.

and guess what live shows will then make you known and get you cash as they should.
That is IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST

ALSO lets pick apart some falicies, about this form a downlaoding and filesharing

IF i mister poor guy cant already afford that 30$ CDR as you wanted ot sell us in 2005 before filesahring TOOK OFF.
then if i download it how is that a lost sale?
ALSO
while i can steal a hammer form the store and its illegal cause THAT hammer is now gone if i made star trek a reality and replicated myself an exact copy of that hammer YOUR out nothing either.

YES 20 million to say “I’ll be back and stomp around looking tough and have stunt men do the real work for nothing pay right o.
500 million fo rbatman and how many poor and disadvantaged get to see the film.

It isn’t about art neither as i have said and you reiterate its about money to you and that has nothing to do with art , which is what copyright was originally formed to be about.
Giving and artist or creator SOME benefit.
YOU are just a business person with an overpriced product that’s lousy and people wont pay for it.

about region dvdrs, why should YOU the creator have a right WHERE the frak i watch it.
LIKE OMG your also furtharing the abuse of copyright and its spirit.
Art is meant to be shared and a true artist woudl give back to the poor and you dont see gene simmons in that mansion giving to the poor or sacrificing anything in hard economic times do ya.

MPAA = MONKEY POOP ARZEHOLES AZZOCIATION

and with a unification of hackers and pirates i highly doubt whatever you try now will ever work so keep up the 3 strikes law and when people start dying cause you cut off there phones , i hope you sleep well you evil little troll

Well, unless they actually are still the same person… In which case, he is SO overdue for his medication it’s not even funny.

You seem to have forgotten something (maybe there IS something in the water over there) American law ONLY applies in America. Why are you trying to convince us that this is the only possible applicable law. Might I suggest that the MPAA is trying to take over the world one americanized copyright law after another.

And on a side note, where exactly did you cite that from re: piracy supports terroism. Been sleepin in the same bed as Bush I gather. What credible source do you have to support your outlandish claim?

You must be drunk.

“Good guys” suing teens and kids …

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N

Try 30K+ lawsuits as of September 2008:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/proving-file-sh.html

Why should a service provider be held hostage for providing a tool (which can be used in a legal or illegal way) Google’s search engine allows a user to be able to search for torrent files, which is similar to what pirate bay does.

According to EU law, the service provider isn’t responsible for the information that users exchange through their service. (off the top of my head)

If you are so concerned about the distribution of “unauthorized” content, why don’t you go after the user’s who post this “unauthorized” content (instead of the innocent folks who are providing a legitimate service) , and then you can go after the real criminals here. (maybe that’s not possible for you, considering how many criminals [ordinary citizens] are out there) Maybe you don’t realize it, even if you succeed here, there will be just more new, innovated ways for US to share what we want with who we want. And maybe you should take pointers from your friends over @ the RIAA re: the 15,000 lawsuits, which strategy only amounted to an epic fail.

The internet was created to allow the free exchange of ideas/information, not to be censured by the filthy, greedy corporate pigs who only want to dish out more crappy music and movies, and charge exorbitant prices for them.

Isn’t that how the American political system works. You give your hard-earned profits as campaign dollars, so the lawmakers can make laws that are suited to your liking. Then you go after the average American, who works hard for their living, and only wishes to spend wisely what they have earned. It’s no wonder that people like to have the option of being able to preview what it is they are buying, before they buy it. Maybe you don’t understand that concept. Furthermore, once you come to the realization that your American laws don’t apply anywhere outside of America (despite the numerous attempts of you trying to impose that notion upon other foreign nations)I guess as a last resort, you and your “friends” had to go to Washington, and get them to do your dirty work for you. Did you cry sob, and beg/plead, saying how the industry couldn’t possible survive with all those damn pirates running amok. How else would the US government demand (after having an emergency meeting with Swedish delegates) that the Swedish government intervened on your behalf. (it prob. wasn’t even on their radar, both US and Sweden)

If you only realized that these “pirates” demographically make up a large percent of your customer base. They purchase a CD or a movie, they share with some friends and if those friends like it they go out and buy it. That there is a likelihood that if a user d/l something, they are more inclined to purchase it if they liked it. That by the exposure of new content, how you could have a potentially large percentage of increased sales, from individuals that weren’t aware of it even existing , just because they saw it, and they liked it. Take for example the series Lost. Maybe someone has never seen or heard of Lost. By chance, they happen to come across it on a torrent site, they d/l it, like it, and then buy the dvd box set so they can see the rest of the episodes (d/l could take longer), have the commentary booklet, and any other goodies that are included. That’s one new customer who spent $30-40, who otherwise wouldn’t of purchase it. Why are you going after these good people?

“You can ridicule me all you want, but the law is the law.”

Oh, really? Don’t you really mean the law is the best that your corrupt lobbyists can buy in the UNITED STATES?

File sharing = stealing? How is it that all of the law suits filed by the **AA have all been in civil court for copyright infringement? Ohhh … that’s right, because you say it’s so must make it right.

I don’t think most of the posters here give a rat’s *ss about America. Mostly, they just want to know why America’s corporate mafia can’t stay the hell out of their own country’s business.

Piracy -> Terrorism? You say it’s so that must make it right. Pirate Bay subscription (You’re kidding, right?) money to Al-Qaeda … Bork Bork Bork!

You can repeat your mantra all you want but it does not change reality.

File Sharing is stealing, pirates are evil, and the MPAA is in the right.

America is a country where people rights and freedoms are protected. By your statements above, it is obvious that you want to abolish a copyright holders rights to do whatever they see fit with their own created work. by opposing these rights, it is clear that you hate America. You hate America, You hate our civil liberties and our freedoms.

Did you know that piracy supports terrorism? Think next time before you buy that bootleg from the guy on the street, or renew your Pirate Bay subscription – The money goes directly to Al-Qaeda.

Don’t worry, the Good Guys will win in the end.

If you can’t compete with free, then what the hell have Apple and Evian been doing all this time?

“You can’t compete with free.”

I think you should change that to “We (MPAA) can’t compete with free.”

Bottled water companies seem to be doing quite well.

There are two kinds of free. Free as in ‘gratis’ and as in ‘freedom’. Likewise, you have two kinds of pirates. Those who pirate because they don’t want to pay and those who pirate because that way, they get the freedom to listen/watch the way they want. The first will NEVER buy your movie anyway. The latter (I’m one of them) are compensating people for their work when they think it’s worth compensating. But, the more you scam them, the less likely they’ll want to see you compensated.

Just get rid of those DRM measures, region codes and god annoying “Piracy is stealing” ads that you can’t skip on a LEGALLY BOUGHT dvd. A great way to threat your customers… and then you’re still surprised you can’t compete with something that has none of this nonsense?

Hahahah.

Sorry, but no. Most DVD playing software supports the loading of custom subtitle tracks. They have for several years now. Also, I hear that pretty soon, computers will start coming with these crazy new things called a “GUI” and a “mouse”!

Jesus Christ. For you to be this far out of the loop and so technologically clueless, it really must be true that you work for the MPAA. Well then, congradulations on being part of the world’s largest crime family. Say Hi! to the Don for me.

@MPAA Shill
“Finally, releases in different regions are planned carefully to achieve the maximum marketshare.”

Here’s a free hint for you. Just like every other bunch of consumers on the face of the Earth, Israeli consumers don’t give a damn about helping a multi-billion dollar industry achieve the maximum marketshare. What they do give a damn about is that what little foreign entertainment is EVER allowed to be released in their region by the MPAA/ALIS comes out months after the rest of the world has already seen it, the translation is typically poor and quite butchered, the movie itself is typically censored, and the price is completely out of touch with the local economy.

People don’t turn to fansubs because they’re free, they turn to fansubs to get away from the multi-billion dollar industry that’s trying to force a broken, anti-consumer business model down their throats(as well as inferior, butchered products). The fact that it happens to be free is merely icing on the cake.

@MPAA Shill
“In order to create the mkv, you would have to decrypt the DVD ’s CSS protection which is illegal. ”

Circumventing CSS is only illegal in backwards countries where the government is more interested in serving wealthy corporate lobbyists than serving its own people. There’s also nothing illegal about a region free DVD player, unless you hacked the firmware, but that usually just voids the warrently. Try again.

@MPAA Shill
“If someone told you where to find a nuclear weapon (made by someone else) and you detonated it, who would be to blame?”

So according to your mentally ill ravings, Google is to blame for several counts of murder, because there have been cases where somebody has literally Googled “how to commit murder” and then actually done it.

Infact, if you gave directions to the bank to some little old lady, and she ended up robbing it with a sub michinegun she was hiding in her purse, then by your very own reasoning, you’d be guilty of robbery.

I can see now that you and logic are truly mortal enemies. Then again, the MPAA has a mandatory policy that every word their cronies utter must never be tainted by filthy reality, so this comes as little surprise.

@MPAA Shill
“Do you really believe you are capable of making a cogent argument?”

You really shouldn’t throw stones. You aren’t capable of making an argument, cogent or otherwise. The most you can do is repeat lies like a mantra.

@MPAA Shill
“Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.”

BWHAHAHAH!!

Well, I hate to inform you, but we’re only killing the irrelevent middlemen that make their living by wrongning us, and wronging the people that make the content we enjoy. The IFPI and its subsidiariesis are nothing more than a cancerous tumor on the face of the content industry. You point at the surgery to remove this growth and call it “killing”, but that isn’t accurate. It’s called saving the host.

@MPAA Shill
“I think it should be obvious that when you steal a film ….”

Ah, and speaking of repeating lies like a mantra, here’s the IFPI’s alltime greatest hit. FILESHARING = STEALING!!!

Do you think we’re stupid? Do you think we’re retarded? Because I wonder, just how braindead would a person have to be to actually buy the fallacy that duplicating a DVD, and then taking the duplicate DVD for your own use, somehow means that you’ve stolen the original DVD from its owner when THE ORIGINAL OWNER STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL DVD SITTING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM?

Stealing doesn’t work when the “victim” of “theft” still retains the “stolen” item in their possession after the “theft” has occured. This is how filesharing works, and consequently, the reason that filesharing isn’t stealing. The reason, incase you’re a little slow, is that is that nothing has been taken from its owner. But go ahead, keep telling the lie that downloading is stealing. We’ll all keep ripping it to shreds for as long as you can keep lying.

@MAFIAA Shill
“It is the copyright holder’s right to choose whether or not to allow translation into a particular language. This is guaranteed to him by law as the creator of the work.”

Oh, Mr. Greedy Power-Mad Meglomaniac, the Internet has a message for you. It says, consider that right revoked.

You don’t get to decide if and when we get to see and hear something, anymore. If you can’t manage to give us simultaneous realeases in all regions with accurate, uncensored translations, all for a reasonable price, we’re gonna do it for you.

And you? You’re gonna sit there and take it.

1) Stop totally messing ppl up with DRM, “protection money” for every empty recordable medium, and stop telling them what they should do, instead of listening to them. CUSTOMER is the master, not you.

2) Do a huge matrix of free, hi quallity, best jewelled and -best done- stuff with no limits, simple to acces and manipulate and play. Not even the biggest and best pirate site on the world, CANNOT compete with this. WHICH can people easily acces, and easily download.

3) about paying, there are more options. Pay per download – smaller prize. Optional prize. Prizes for special versions – small def, hi-def, pay after wiew (with limit)… Paying methods must be really, really totally brutally simple.

You can win over pirates, and making big profits anyway. Use human biggest weakness – lazyness. Offer them THE BEST in the way they want for a prize, that counts.

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GODDAMN, TRY TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE,
WIN YOUR SALES BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFERS,
NOT THROUGH SCARING AND ENSLAVING THEM.
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Why ought we respect the MAFIAA in any way, shape or form? The MAFIAA is completely despicable, and it is completely stupid to pay them any respect by being “nice” to them. The MAFIAA are simply bad people, and there is no way any civil discussion can ever defeat those villains.