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		<title>By: m0jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>m0jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to sympathise with this person, but the main point of the article is the incompetence of the companies. They accuse someone of sharing who *cannot* have shared. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#039;t have to sympathise with this person, but the main point of the article is the incompetence of the companies. They accuse someone of sharing who *cannot* have shared.</p>
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		<title>By: Mee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and what makes you think he wasted two years (semmigly the date hasnt been messed with... or was it) just to get caught? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and what makes you think he wasted two years (semmigly the date hasnt been messed with&#8230; or was it) just to get caught?</p>
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		<title>By: solution</title>
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		<dc:creator>solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if (your country is a copyright hell){
encrypt all uploading and downloading
}
else{
_if(your contry has laws against _uploading){
_leech
_}
__else{
__seed
__}
}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if (your country is a copyright hell){<br />
encrypt all uploading and downloading<br />
}<br />
else{<br />
_if(your contry has laws against _uploading){<br />
_leech<br />
_}<br />
__else{<br />
__seed<br />
__}<br />
}</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder, is the lack of seeders on some torrents due to some kind of fear about getting caught uploading, or are people just too lazy/cheap to share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder, is the lack of seeders on some torrents due to some kind of fear about getting caught uploading, or are people just too lazy/cheap to share?</p>
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		<title>By: Aninhumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aninhumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never really seen the point of leeching clients, usually you can get better speeds by uploading, and it&#039;s not like anyone really needs that upload for anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never really seen the point of leeching clients, usually you can get better speeds by uploading, and it&#8217;s not like anyone really needs that upload for anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7

ButTyrant does upload, but nly to certain peers. About the &quot;client banned&quot; thing, ever heard of shu mod?:)))

If you want a 0-upload bittorrent client, try BitThief. Hey, it even works on Linux, and with the correct options works great on most of the private trackers.</description>
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<p>ButTyrant does upload, but nly to certain peers. About the &#8220;client banned&#8221; thing, ever heard of shu mod?:)))</p>
<p>If you want a 0-upload bittorrent client, try BitThief. Hey, it even works on Linux, and with the correct options works great on most of the private trackers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33
A socket is a connection including a IP address, and a Port.
Knowing that most of Torrent clients fall between the TCP range of 6881-6999, and knowing that some one&#039;s IP address is blah(192.168.1.1).
A simple computer program can spam torrent requests at such a high frequency that it would be impossible to ignore... 

such program would take less then 10 minutes to make and turn on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33<br />
A socket is a connection including a IP address, and a Port.<br />
Knowing that most of Torrent clients fall between the TCP range of 6881-6999, and knowing that some one&#8217;s IP address is blah(192.168.1.1).<br />
A simple computer program can spam torrent requests at such a high frequency that it would be impossible to ignore&#8230; </p>
<p>such program would take less then 10 minutes to make and turn on.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holy wikipedia batman
@30 a &quot;CRC check&quot; is used to make sure all the data is tangent, and accounted for in the &#039;file&#039; that was sent. There is no check for &#039;legitimacy&#039;. 

also @30, settle down... I think you are missing the point.
The giant point of this article is that there is no inbound packets that need to be sent in-order to get a court case. This means literally I could set up a stream of packets from any IP I want to be on the header, and
1) request transfer of the file 
[This will return packets to the fake IP&#039;s computer, which will in all likeliness not be set up to accept a torrent from that file, and will fail upon getting there]
2) spam fake upload chunks, or requested downloads
[again this will inturn sent the requested material to the spoofed IP&#039;s computer, which will not be accepted.]


This will be knocking at the door of the RIAA, upload them their own stolen music back, with a name tag of your IP address (ultimately resolved to your name, and address from ISP)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holy wikipedia batman<br />
@30 a &#8220;CRC check&#8221; is used to make sure all the data is tangent, and accounted for in the &#8216;file&#8217; that was sent. There is no check for &#8216;legitimacy&#8217;. </p>
<p>also @30, settle down&#8230; I think you are missing the point.<br />
The giant point of this article is that there is no inbound packets that need to be sent in-order to get a court case. This means literally I could set up a stream of packets from any IP I want to be on the header, and<br />
1) request transfer of the file<br />
[This will return packets to the fake IP's computer, which will in all likeliness not be set up to accept a torrent from that file, and will fail upon getting there]<br />
2) spam fake upload chunks, or requested downloads<br />
[again this will inturn sent the requested material to the spoofed IP's computer, which will not be accepted.]</p>
<p>This will be knocking at the door of the RIAA, upload them their own stolen music back, with a name tag of your IP address (ultimately resolved to your name, and address from ISP)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21
The Internet. Where random alt-med nuts recommend that the terminally ill eat produce containing low levels of *cyanide*, and are possible to overdose on,  with no peer-reviewed research into use, dosage and the like supporting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21<br />
The Internet. Where random alt-med nuts recommend that the terminally ill eat produce containing low levels of *cyanide*, and are possible to overdose on,  with no peer-reviewed research into use, dosage and the like supporting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lulz, what a leech. 

(@negatyve: Dont tell me what I can or can not do...um, does that statement kind of make me an hypocrite?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lulz, what a leech. </p>
<p>(@negatyve: Dont tell me what I can or can not do&#8230;um, does that statement kind of make me an hypocrite?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@27:  I was responding to someone who said they could share files using someone elses IP address.  That is impossible.  Sure, you can spoof a packet.  There is no way you&#039;re going to spoof a 2 way conversation, like a file transfer.

@28:  That&#039;s not how emule works.  If their client receives ANY data belonging to the file from you it has to pass a CRC check to confirm that the data is legitimate.  The fact that the data gathering just collected data saying he was part of the swarm and not an active uploader essentially proves that process used to mine that data is flawed.  Futhermore, the same sort of logic used to support this argument could support a case against someone who hopped on a torrent and paused it before any data is transfered...because being part of the swarm must mean you&#039;re uploading even though they can&#039;t prove if any data has actually been sent from your client.  Their are ways to prove that you are uploading to the swarm and saying &quot;we think he&#039;s uploading but he never actually uploaded anything to us to confirm that suspicion&quot; is not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@27:  I was responding to someone who said they could share files using someone elses IP address.  That is impossible.  Sure, you can spoof a packet.  There is no way you&#8217;re going to spoof a 2 way conversation, like a file transfer.</p>
<p>@28:  That&#8217;s not how emule works.  If their client receives ANY data belonging to the file from you it has to pass a CRC check to confirm that the data is legitimate.  The fact that the data gathering just collected data saying he was part of the swarm and not an active uploader essentially proves that process used to mine that data is flawed.  Futhermore, the same sort of logic used to support this argument could support a case against someone who hopped on a torrent and paused it before any data is transfered&#8230;because being part of the swarm must mean you&#8217;re uploading even though they can&#8217;t prove if any data has actually been sent from your client.  Their are ways to prove that you are uploading to the swarm and saying &#8220;we think he&#8217;s uploading but he never actually uploaded anything to us to confirm that suspicion&#8221; is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, just keep pirating and hope you don&#039;t get caught!!!</description>
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		<title>By: lulz</title>
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		<dc:creator>lulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23

If you went to a cop with a blood soaked knife saying you were a serial killer they would most certaily go through the motions of charging you with a crime. You may not be convicted due to the lack of solid evidence, e.g. a body, but still. 

If his client said to their client that he sent them piece # whatever, even though he didnt, and they actualy got the peice elsewhere, as far as they are concerned, he had the piece to send or his client would have said, &#039;sorry I dont have that piece, piss off&#039;. Using the defence that he&#039;s a self admited leecher isn&#039;t really a defence when what his client reports to the client collecting evidence contradicts what he&#039;s saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23</p>
<p>If you went to a cop with a blood soaked knife saying you were a serial killer they would most certaily go through the motions of charging you with a crime. You may not be convicted due to the lack of solid evidence, e.g. a body, but still. </p>
<p>If his client said to their client that he sent them piece # whatever, even though he didnt, and they actualy got the peice elsewhere, as far as they are concerned, he had the piece to send or his client would have said, &#8217;sorry I dont have that piece, piss off&#8217;. Using the defence that he&#8217;s a self admited leecher isn&#8217;t really a defence when what his client reports to the client collecting evidence contradicts what he&#8217;s saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Nixer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23

if your intention is soley spoofing then you know as well as i that IP&#039;s certainly can be spoofed.</description>
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<p>if your intention is soley spoofing then you know as well as i that IP&#8217;s certainly can be spoofed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@24: You&#039;re a moron.  Anyone who says that bad data gathering should be acceptable in any scenario deserves to be on the receiving end.  If you can&#039;t get on a private tracker, you have no room to complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24: You&#8217;re a moron.  Anyone who says that bad data gathering should be acceptable in any scenario deserves to be on the receiving end.  If you can&#8217;t get on a private tracker, you have no room to complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yeah! Leechers should be sued ;P</description>
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		<title>By: negatyve</title>
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		<dc:creator>negatyve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@9:  Sorry but that&#039;s illogical.  Proof that you uploaded something should be PROOF THAT YOU ARE UPLOADING.  Not a client sending your client a notice that you are uploading to someone else but a client actually sending your client pieces of the files that can pass the CRC check.  I can go up to a cop and say &quot;I&#039;m a serial killer&quot; and they still can&#039;t lock me away without proving that I&#039;ve killed someone.

@10: That&#039;s straight up BS.  You can not spoof anyone&#039;s IP in a p2p environment.  How the hell do you expect any information to return to you?  When you send a packet, your IP address acts as a return address.  If you someone elses IP address in place of yours, you will not get a response from the other end...the spoofed IP will get the response.  Do you think computers communicate magically?

@ everyone complainging about leechers:  This article is not intended to host a venue over the ethics of leeching.  Who cares?  If you don&#039;t want to deal with leechers, get on trackers with ratio enforcement.  This article is intended to comment on the fact that people are getting hit with lawsuits backed by bad data gathering.  That should raise everyone&#039;s concerns, leecher aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9:  Sorry but that&#8217;s illogical.  Proof that you uploaded something should be PROOF THAT YOU ARE UPLOADING.  Not a client sending your client a notice that you are uploading to someone else but a client actually sending your client pieces of the files that can pass the CRC check.  I can go up to a cop and say &#8220;I&#8217;m a serial killer&#8221; and they still can&#8217;t lock me away without proving that I&#8217;ve killed someone.</p>
<p>@10: That&#8217;s straight up BS.  You can not spoof anyone&#8217;s IP in a p2p environment.  How the hell do you expect any information to return to you?  When you send a packet, your IP address acts as a return address.  If you someone elses IP address in place of yours, you will not get a response from the other end&#8230;the spoofed IP will get the response.  Do you think computers communicate magically?</p>
<p>@ everyone complainging about leechers:  This article is not intended to host a venue over the ethics of leeching.  Who cares?  If you don&#8217;t want to deal with leechers, get on trackers with ratio enforcement.  This article is intended to comment on the fact that people are getting hit with lawsuits backed by bad data gathering.  That should raise everyone&#8217;s concerns, leecher aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@9:  Sorry but that&#039;s bullshit.  Proof that you uploaded something should be PROOF THAT YOU ARE UPLOADING.  Not a client sending your client a notice that you are uploading to someone else but a client actually sending your client pieces of the files that can pass the CRC check.  I can go up to a cop and say &quot;I&#039;m a serial killer&quot; and they still can&#039;t lock me away without proving that I&#039;ve killed someone.

@10: That&#039;s straight up bullshit.  You can not spoof anyone&#039;s IP in a p2p environment.  How the fuck do you expect any information to return to you?  When you send a packet, your IP address acts as a return address.  If you someone elses IP address in place of yours, you will not get a response from the other end...the spoofed IP will get the response.  Do you think computers communicate magically?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9:  Sorry but that&#8217;s bullshit.  Proof that you uploaded something should be PROOF THAT YOU ARE UPLOADING.  Not a client sending your client a notice that you are uploading to someone else but a client actually sending your client pieces of the files that can pass the CRC check.  I can go up to a cop and say &#8220;I&#8217;m a serial killer&#8221; and they still can&#8217;t lock me away without proving that I&#8217;ve killed someone.</p>
<p>@10: That&#8217;s straight up bullshit.  You can not spoof anyone&#8217;s IP in a p2p environment.  How the fuck do you expect any information to return to you?  When you send a packet, your IP address acts as a return address.  If you someone elses IP address in place of yours, you will not get a response from the other end&#8230;the spoofed IP will get the response.  Do you think computers communicate magically?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20
Clear thinking people don&#039;t see 911 as a coverup. Stop trying to wrap your hate and distrust of the government in some kind of &#039;clear thinking&#039; wrapper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20<br />
Clear thinking people don&#8217;t see 911 as a coverup. Stop trying to wrap your hate and distrust of the government in some kind of &#8216;clear thinking&#8217; wrapper.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@17 You are right of course. But if u have some form of cancer I recommend u eat plenty of fresh apricot kernels, as these contain laetrile, which is selectively poisonous only to cancer cells. You may not have to go at all. Doctors and drug mfrs don&#039;t want this kind of thing known. If u don&#039;t believe it, it can&#039;t hurt to try, even if one mistakenly believed it to be poisonous to the body, since u would go anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17 You are right of course. But if u have some form of cancer I recommend u eat plenty of fresh apricot kernels, as these contain laetrile, which is selectively poisonous only to cancer cells. You may not have to go at all. Doctors and drug mfrs don&#8217;t want this kind of thing known. If u don&#8217;t believe it, it can&#8217;t hurt to try, even if one mistakenly believed it to be poisonous to the body, since u would go anyway.</p>
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