If those Spanish torrent sites really earn all that then the media industry has declared they are indeed a complete failure for not going into that sort of business.

I’m still waiting for an online store where I can buy the media I download for sane prices.

Jess
http://www.anonymous.ua.tc

If you want to give examples, don’t use physical items. It’s like comparing air with rocks.

Music is not the issue. Not here, not anywhere.

I’ll gladly pay to watch any artist I like perform is art. I’ll never again pay for copies, reproductions, recordings or whatever you want to call them, in any format, and at whatever price. That isn’t music. That is only a copy.

Imagine I tried to sell you digital copies of any famous paint. No matter what quality the copy had, would never be the PAINTING.

The same applies to music, if you really love it, go watch it LIVE. And pay for burger flipping, or guitar handling or whatever. Copies, reproductions, recordings, are not sellable anymore. They are equal to flyers announcing the circus is in town (and those flyers at least cost money, digital copies cost NOTHING)

Before throwing a Moral comment, check what morals are you using, maybe in this case, you are using the morals of anyone else, and not really yours. Remember, I said, MAYBE.

A fully grown kid.

Maybe making a few headlines first, saying how the US corporations are killing them.

Of course Mr. Chavez would have to agree (or agr€€ or agr$$ or agr&&) but, that wouldn’t be the biggest problem. It was a matter of giving him the rights to collect the profits, as per the MAFIAA numbers, and asking only 10% payed up front. Nice deal huh?

That way, they would be out of harms way, under protection.

Who knows, this could actualy work… ;)

US sanctions on Europe would be interesting for all of us. It would give EU a big kick in the back to finally start working together for real.

We’d just have find alternatives to some products and do more business with Russia and China instead. Most hardware and products are manufactured in Asia anyway.

Maybe then the yanks would pack up their hundreds of military bases on European soil and go home… (we’re practically under occupation but most ppl don’t realise).

I don’t have anything against the USA as such – just their constant meddling in the affairs of other countries.

Bring it on!

Unfortunately, the content industries have a lot of head start here, not only because of their deep pockets and owned US and French (and recently most other) governments, but also because their very raison d’etre is to sell ideas (memes) to their customers.

They’re experienced at making believe and telling tales (dream factories). Sadly, one of those tales is the MYTH that sharing is bad — even though it is the most natural behavior out there.

Add to this that politicians are scared to run against those powerful opinion makers, and you’ve got the current sad state of a world full of greed and void of generosity.

And to remain on topic: IMHO Spain will ultimately cave in to US pressure on this particular point, just like every other government (except perhaps Venezuela and the few remaining other rebel states out there).

Why does it matter if it’s commericial or not? Either way, no one is getting compensated for their work.

Unauthorized use IS illegal. That’s what copyright violation is. Seeing as how copyright is a law, a violation of it would probabaly fall under the illegal cateogy.

A great place to begin is within your own countries Pirate parties…

Heres a Wiki with a list of them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party

Now that I can agree with somewhat..
Except…

The US is not twisting anybodies arm, all their doing is “selling” the idea to these other governments, making them understand that it would be to their own benefit as well to come up with a resolution “locally” to the problem at hand…

No sanctions or embargo’s are being threatened over a few downloads, (some of you Ppl get way outta control, LoL)These governments the US is speaking with do have the option to say F-you at any moment and there isnt a F-king thing the US can or will do about it…

They are looking at the BS numbers of lost revenue, believing that it will happen in their very own countries..
in short, they are buying the BS the US is selling, they are being convinced….

So yeah, the US is working towards a goal, the government is being fueled by the money hungry movie industry….

But, everybody has a choice…
If they cant see it for what it is, then something has to be done to “clue” them in…

well duh bcs we got civil and human rights already in place that wouldnt allow it @ the average bittorrent user look at your peer list where are most of the ip’s from? ;)

It kind of makes you understand why all these arabs want to bomb the US government.

This is spam.

[TF: Sorry, they've gone now though]

Half the Ppl that post on this board are americans, quit being so narrow minded..
Most of the crap you pirate comes from America, so then not only are you narrow minded but also a Hypocrite dont blame a whole country for the actions of a few…

A Pirate IS a Pirate, that is the flag we fly, our location is irrelevant….

Lesse, credit cards always have been insecure way of paying for things:
firstly as anyone who has your cc info can ding your credit score and
make it harder for you to get mortage and such.
secondly, anyone who has your cc info can spend tremendus amount
of money and it falls on you to respute those charges.
thirdly, anyone who has your cc info can implicate you in an crime or
embarras you. How are you going to explain the charge on your card
for a night at a shady motel to your wife or life partner(s)?
Do you trust the waitress in the cafe that you just handed your credit
card to to pay for your latte now?

Have you heard about Mintrel? it was an French computure network that was
exactly like you are proposing. The only thing was that due to high barriers
to entry innovation was very little and as result Mintrel died.
Google it if you dont beleave me.

“Cyberbullying” is a term adopted by fear mongering tabloid media.
It is nothing more than bullying only it happens online instead of
in meatspace.

If you are so against “anonymity” then you have nothing against posting
your real name, where you work and your address here on torrentfreak.

“Lawless behavior (sic)” Lawless in which juristiction? USA? Brittain?
China? North-Korea? Australia? Iran? Schysilly Islands? Luxemburg?
WIPO? UN? International coalition of economic cooperation?

Face it, you are, most propably payed to, talk(ing) out of your arse.

Yeah, I mentioned it in the TPB Appeal thread,http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-appeal-postponed-till-summer-2010-091019/#comment-608648

I didnt get a reply on it either because reasoned mind cant answer it…To do so would open up another BIG can of worms…

Ah well, good points #40..

Either the corporate music parasites reflect and provide real values and respect to the society and it’s ethical standards or they remain a bunch of low life terrorists, pederasts and thieves and they do not deserve to live.

Even tapeworms might be useful to something, as it appears that they might prevent Crown disease.

But the seven majors corporations of criminal parasites with their legal bullying, business theft with the concept of corruption, greed taking precedent over everything else serve absolutely no purpose.

Therefore it is the duty of citizens to eradicate them. Their remains shall belong to the septic tank of lawlessness, (and to the real septic tank like Vibrio cholerae!) unless they got cremated and throw in the toilet bowl first of course.

With everything we already know about their criminals activity while hiding behind a law-book which they mistakenly believe bullets proof since they tried to rewrite it, with the history of humanity always seeking justice and allowed by the constitution to owe and carry weapons, it is the logical and unavoidable conclusion that this very small and decreasing minority of corporate parasites who still try to equate greed, financial and judicial anarchy with freedom will end up eradicated.

Am I good or what? And I am paid for this! YOO HOU! And I am paid by Vivendique for that!

And you simple mind who is your boss?

I must be missing something because in Spain, laws are enacted by the Cortes Generales – the legislative branch?

On another note, why would anybody in Spain care about bit torrent or other techno-shit like that when they have more immediate concerns?

on the other hand i will buy new tv show boxsets to support a show i like not hollywood.

fuck you riaa,mpaa,and your stooges.
you will not stop the internet ever.
anyone remember private ftp servers !!!

if these torrent sites are really making 2 million a year in revenue then it behooves the entertainment cartels to set up their own torrent sites legally and they would most likely make 3, 4 times that amount in profit every year and everyones happy. they make a profit and their not wasting money and time litigating everyone/everything.

these cartels are really smooth with their cooked numbers and book keeping accounts.
1.5 million in profits from advertising…LOL!!!
a bunch of transparent lying bullshot spewed from the mouths of greedy contol freaks who seek to enslave us with their hoodwinking.
they will fail ultimately.
godbless the cartels failure.

TorrentFreak administration, please do something about this!

they put on a blind fold get one of their collegues to spin them around until dizzy then point them to the table where there is 20 slips of paper some with $ some with £ some with euro’s someone then guides their index finger to wet sponge then they circle their hands around screaming come on baby i’m going to get lucky this time!!!! then slam their hands down on one of the slips. if when the blindfolded fool peeks from under the fold and see’s the number they landed on isn’t an acceptable figure they re-do steps 1 and 2 until a winner is picked!

this is how the asshats do everything when it comes to figures and sales didn’t you know?

I would LOVE to know how they came up with that number.

Also “4 million unique visitors in a single month” will not even REMOTELY get you “€1.5 million ($2.2 million) a year in revenue” from ads. Breaking down the actual numbers, I would say making 2% or 3% of that amount as profit per year would be considered great.

You seem to be trying (maybe intentionally?) to blur the lines between internet security problems and file-sharing.

Copyright-infringement activities can co-exist with an Internet that remains relatively safe for business transactions, etc.

People pirated plenty before the Internet but it didn’t mean our ATMs were insecure, and yet this is essentially the premise you’re putting forward. If people share in breach of copyright as they have in the real world for decades, it equals anarchy and therefore everything is insecure… absolute nonsense!

The RIAA with their near-zero overheads on distribution and packaging on downloaded content are being insanely greedy in charging what they do for content.

Until the industry adjusts it’s prices to account for the eradication of shipping and packaging overheads in relation to it’s digital distribution… it deserves to continue dying.

It seems one man’s “freedom to share” … is another man’s “anarchy”.

There isn’t an easy way to pay for things that come from abroad, the closest thing from an universal paying system is Paypal but it gets bogged up by legislation in every country that don’t want to see people buying stuff from the outside and sending cheap money to others LoL

The industry don’t want to share their revenues with others and this will kill them.

i personally don’t have anything bad to say about anyone even reason mind since we all know he just does this to get attention and kicks.

i’d say dont feed the troll but it’s entertaining to say the least.

i’ve said it once and again i’ll keep this short and food for thought

millions of XviD/DivX players are made sold endorsed and rubber stamped by the FCC FCE and who ever else

Then to put the cherry on the top SONY and other top brands make their players to play MPEG-4 / DivX/XviD

My point? .. millions of these are made sold made sold world wide right?

Show me 1 single store 1 single legal store where you can buy media in DivX/XviD format to use on these Legitimate FCC/FCE Approved machines and even branded by SONY who’s then other hand is trying to stop piracy so stopping that format so rendering their players features useless.. if there not doing that then they are suing people left and right for converting content or downloading content in a format that works with their player you PURCHASED lol

i bet no-body has thought of that have you.

Or maybe, just maybe, that revenue is just a little exaggerated :).

You truly do have some sort of irrational fear of a free internet. What is your problem?

Spanish Pirates FTW!

Whos with? :P

and Can someone explain to me what eBay has to do with Piracy? (not talking about fake goods)

Nerr. Talk slower Spainard! Paranoia setting in!

You did not lose your job yet?

Let’s bring the spray killer!

Calculation indicate that a thousand dollars would be the most!

The corporate music parasites are lying again!

We know them and we expect that!

It is amusing to hear the corporate music parasites talking about “parasites businesses!”

parasites business means THEM!

Sweet land of liberty my arse.

Foolishness. It gets tiresome reading about MPAA and RIAA and their chicken little claims.