doesnt he remind you of the how its made host?

But it’s scary how deluded he is, I quote:

“LANVA won’t have to prove that the user downloaded the file, the user will have to prove that the file didn’t travel through his network.”

You sir, are an idiot.

infact i think he’s more hated in lithuania than politicians . and everybody REALLY hates politicians in lithuania.

linkomanija is very decent tracker, which i personaly use :] and itsowner really supports his users

cheers from lithuania!

By learning your ip address nobody can know what software you are using unless your computer is poorly secured (but still, not all information might be seen).

The whole discussion was about whether or not to display ip addresses list that your client knows with the user interface. My point was that it doesn’t make any difference in security or strength of evidence in court, so it should be left visible for user. The user might actually benefit form seeing those addresses and act correspondingly if action is needed.

Apparently I should of ended it with /sarcasm… I just figured that most people would of assumed it by how ridicules the statement was.

And if its simply I don’t know anything about this apparent complete lack of security please try to be nice and help a poor stoopid soul out.

“All the evidence they have is a screenshot? Isn’t a screenshot, especially one where the essential information is text over a plain background, quite easy to fake?”

Extremely easy. Even if there’s a background texture or image, you just do a screenshot with no torrents active so you have a perfect copy of the background, then put the new text over it. or you can use the clean copy of the background to cut and paste just the parts under the text you need to erase. You just have to be careful to match the font size and spacing. Anyone who is halfway decent at using a graphics program can do it easily.

Well as #74 mentioned, it really doesn’t matter if they display it or not. The addresses are still there, so with other software you can look it up.

The example you gave about site showing the ip addresses is a different issue. Normal users cannot see those addresses, because they don’t have access to them. So every site should hide those, as it may be harmful to users.

However, every P2P client knows the addresses of peers they are connecting to. So why not showing them? It’s additional information for user, that can help him identify certain clients (for example bots that send broken chunks) and ban them.

The user interface can vary from client to client, so it shouldn’t matter what is seen, and what is not. The protocol and data sent or received is the same. This is not really an evidence in court. They would have to sniff the network packets of every peer, to actually prove something. Most of convictions are proven due to self-conviction or poor defence in court.

And by the way, I didn’t mean to offend you. I just misinterpreted your comment. I thought you meant to not use ip addresses lists on p2p clients (which would mean you didn’t understand how p2p and networking works).

Ivanovic,
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Read this (Google translated from Lithuanian) http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.15min.lt%2Fnaujiena%2Faktualu%2Flietuva%2F56%2F63858%2F%2F&sl=lt&tl=en&history_state0=

Anyway whats with the screenshot as evidence maybe they will try to give a painting next

Ya but tests have shown over and over again how hard it is to crack Linux.

The only way to crack it is to log in as admin. Good luck with that!

Now the draw back I see with Linux is that I am not as familiar with security tools for linux as I am for windows and I don’t know to well what process is supposed to run in order to detect unauthorized process. I agree though that security by obscurity is not enough and that will apply for OSX who is actually less defended than windows and easier to crack.

He’s just playing their game. If they hadn’t put restrictions in the first place, he wouldn’t have either.

I know deep down you actually are annoyed that he can use this trick just as well as the MAFIAA.

I have to agree that the ones who bought Vista should get 7 for free. The OS is the soul of the machine, it’s not like you use it rarely like some applications (I won’t buy a software I use once every 6 months…). So yeah, for security reasons, to match the operational system version with the notebooks here at home and because I’m not an hypocrite I bought Windows Vista Home Premium.

But that’s an issue M$ customer service should have addressed (i.e.: home users that bought Vista could have a nice discount on Windows 7 purchase).

In any case, you can’t classify those people. Some might be Linux users that HAVE to use Windows for some applications. Others downloaded because Vista is indeed a crap and they felt like their money was stolen and there’s the ones that think the price is too high for what it offers to the user. I don’t blame them and M$ couldn’t care less for the price.

I know they have (or should have for the size and the knowledge of the company) studies that compare the sales vs the prices and they know the optimal price that gives them the best profit so my guess would be they couldn’t care less about piracy but they don’t want people to think they don’t care.

Maybe the phonographic industry should learn a thing or two with M$ and actually do some market researching to practice prices that are sane enough to give them good profit while keeping piracy at acceptable levels. Then maybe they’ll stop being asses towards the people and stop caring so much about the downloads and start getting the people that sell physical media on the streets…

Wow, long post.

Doesn’t make any difference whether the torrent client shows the peerlist or not. You can easily find another piece of software that monitors your network connections and even sort them into what programs they originate from.

ubu is the OSX of linux

enjoy being a faggot

go with Arch or Slackware or linux from scratch if you want “very safe”

ubu isn’t save and linux on the whole isn’t save

in fact, a good AV and using windows is safer than “security by obscurity” ever will be

it isn’t faster, cooler, or safer (or freer since microsoft gives OS’ to colleges and if you have a job, it is usually free still)

if you cannot discuss what linux’s strengths are against windows you cannot discuss linux

now gb2yourpublictracker p2pkiddie

Sheesh, you can lead them to intelligence but you can’t make them drink from the stream.

Do you need to always SEE the IP address of every web page you go to?

Right now there are people connected to this site. What are their IP addresses? I don’t know because they are NOT displayed.

My point is the IP addresses do NOT have to bo DISPLAYED for the software to work.

Learn to read and comprehend before flaming someone.

Side note: You can tell its a working day by the number of trolls on here making asinine comments.

You really don’t know how p2p or even network communication works, do you? The computers are identified in network (ie. internet) by the IP adresses. And to exhange any information between those computers, both of them need to know their ip adresses. This is how the network works.

In p2p you simply communicate with dozens of peers (computers) and to actually exhange data with them, your computer need to know their ip adresses. That’s where tracker comes in. From a tracker you download the list of computers (and theirs ip’s) that have chunks of file that you want to download.

If you don’t like sharing that ip adresses list, than you shouldn’t communicate at all, because it just doesn’t work that way. Showing that list in the client program is simply a usefull feature. Imagine you know some people (preferably RIAA or MPAA employees or contractors) who you don’t want to connect. You simply find their ip’s on the list and block them.

you gotta work on that a bit. here’s some help…

http://trolling4dummies.com

Anybody reading this and can’t find a working copy of Win 7 in five minutes online is probably working for MRIIA. Or else he’s Hans Pandeya.

Oh, what’s the matter, little baby. Are you upset because someone is moving some of your data in an unauthorized manner? Wow. That’s just terrible.

LOL, you’re so pathetic.