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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Anti-Piracy Group Seeks ISP Level Block of Movie Streaming Portal - TorrentFreakThe Hollywood-backed anti-piracy outfit VAP has announced that it will apply for a court injunction to force a major Internet service provider to block a popular movie streaming portal. UPC, the ISP that has refused to cave into 3 strikes demands from the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Online Global Week in Review 12 November 2010 from IP Think Tank</title>
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		<title>By: sgr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 01:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: momoola</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@60 (musicman)

I can see that you didn&#039;t put much thought into this issue yourself. One doesn&#039;t need to know an alternative business model to know that the current one is absurd.

Also, how are pirates hurting anyone? They merely copy data and deprive no one of anything. 

You could (not really) argue that pirates &#039;steal&#039; potential profit, but that&#039;s simply illogical. For one thing, basic logic would tell you that for you to be able to steal something, it must first exist. Potential profit does not exist.

Second of all, if &#039;stealing&#039; potential profit was possible, everyone would be &#039;guilty&#039; of doing so. Think about it. You &#039;steal&#039; profit that others could have had merely by not giving them your money, even if you&#039;re not a pirate! If you had given them your money, they would have been better off, and therefore (like a pirate) they have &#039;stolen&#039; profit that someone else could, potentially, have had. 

Pirates don&#039;t use up any of the artists time as they use their own time and resources to copy the data.

If you want to fix something, fix our illogical capitalistic society that demands that goods that are in an infinite supply be paid for (even though there&#039;s no reason to pay for a good that will never run out), and those that do not will be labeled as &#039;thieves&#039; (even though pirates take nothing). Until that is fixed, these supposed artists will continue to &#039;suffer&#039;, not because of pirates, but because of our capitalistic society which breeds corruption, greed, and an illogical set of rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@60 (musicman)</p>
<p>I can see that you didn&#8217;t put much thought into this issue yourself. One doesn&#8217;t need to know an alternative business model to know that the current one is absurd.</p>
<p>Also, how are pirates hurting anyone? They merely copy data and deprive no one of anything. </p>
<p>You could (not really) argue that pirates &#8216;steal&#8217; potential profit, but that&#8217;s simply illogical. For one thing, basic logic would tell you that for you to be able to steal something, it must first exist. Potential profit does not exist.</p>
<p>Second of all, if &#8216;stealing&#8217; potential profit was possible, everyone would be &#8216;guilty&#8217; of doing so. Think about it. You &#8216;steal&#8217; profit that others could have had merely by not giving them your money, even if you&#8217;re not a pirate! If you had given them your money, they would have been better off, and therefore (like a pirate) they have &#8216;stolen&#8217; profit that someone else could, potentially, have had. </p>
<p>Pirates don&#8217;t use up any of the artists time as they use their own time and resources to copy the data.</p>
<p>If you want to fix something, fix our illogical capitalistic society that demands that goods that are in an infinite supply be paid for (even though there&#8217;s no reason to pay for a good that will never run out), and those that do not will be labeled as &#8216;thieves&#8217; (even though pirates take nothing). Until that is fixed, these supposed artists will continue to &#8216;suffer&#8217;, not because of pirates, but because of our capitalistic society which breeds corruption, greed, and an illogical set of rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon omous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To #60: Really? That&#039;s all you have? I am the rare person that has been a professional programmer from the early 80&#039;s, and still employed today. I also happen to be an artist that has had a decent amount of success. Your argument is weak, and that is putting it nicely.

I have over 10k vinyl albums, 2500 cassette tapes, and yes I hate to admit, 426 8 track tapes. I also re-purchased, when available, over 90% of my library on CD.

In 1985 when CD&#039;s started coming out there were NO turntables that allowed for any conversion of the yet to be released for public consumption MP3. The industry also picked and chose what was to be converted digitally. If you were an avid scavenger of the &quot;bins,&quot; you may have gotten lucky to find a digital release of your favorite artist only to find it discontinued months or, even weeks later leading to a friend to ask for a copy.

In short, I have spent more money repurchasing music than most. In this day and time I am simply cashing in my &quot;frequent flier miles.&quot; A service provider provides a service, nothing more, nothing less. What their customers do with that service that they pay for is out of the control of the ISP. Much like FED-Ex. Again, FED-EX is a service company, I hear tale that drug dealers have, and still use FED-EX to transport illicit items. By your logic since FED-EX provides a service that others use for purposes not intended by the &quot;service provider,&quot; everyone in the community of origin should be blocked from using the service. HMMMMMM...Try again #60.

As far as your solution. It is not the job of the consumer to give the vendor a solution. I was on many panels from the early 90&#039;s to 2004 (I quit a lost cause) warning the music industry to adopt, and regulate the mp3 (BTW, Sony released the MP3 technology to the public). One leading record executive actually said that the Internet was a &quot;FAD&quot; that would soon be replaced by another &quot;FAD.&quot; Can you say, &quot;OOOPS.&quot; 

Oh my, is it me, or who allowed companies to put out blank media? Oh wait, that&#039;s right, the industry did! Need I go further with this argument.

#60, You remind me of that executive. This war was over when the industry killed the original Napster. Once the old music Nazi&#039;s are gone, the Anons will take care of the artist with a more efficient way to distribute and promote the artists work. Music will be better off for living through these totalitarian days. 

Oh yeah #60 F#$K YOU!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #60: Really? That&#8217;s all you have? I am the rare person that has been a professional programmer from the early 80&#8242;s, and still employed today. I also happen to be an artist that has had a decent amount of success. Your argument is weak, and that is putting it nicely.</p>
<p>I have over 10k vinyl albums, 2500 cassette tapes, and yes I hate to admit, 426 8 track tapes. I also re-purchased, when available, over 90% of my library on CD.</p>
<p>In 1985 when CD&#8217;s started coming out there were NO turntables that allowed for any conversion of the yet to be released for public consumption MP3. The industry also picked and chose what was to be converted digitally. If you were an avid scavenger of the &#8220;bins,&#8221; you may have gotten lucky to find a digital release of your favorite artist only to find it discontinued months or, even weeks later leading to a friend to ask for a copy.</p>
<p>In short, I have spent more money repurchasing music than most. In this day and time I am simply cashing in my &#8220;frequent flier miles.&#8221; A service provider provides a service, nothing more, nothing less. What their customers do with that service that they pay for is out of the control of the ISP. Much like FED-Ex. Again, FED-EX is a service company, I hear tale that drug dealers have, and still use FED-EX to transport illicit items. By your logic since FED-EX provides a service that others use for purposes not intended by the &#8220;service provider,&#8221; everyone in the community of origin should be blocked from using the service. HMMMMMM&#8230;Try again #60.</p>
<p>As far as your solution. It is not the job of the consumer to give the vendor a solution. I was on many panels from the early 90&#8242;s to 2004 (I quit a lost cause) warning the music industry to adopt, and regulate the mp3 (BTW, Sony released the MP3 technology to the public). One leading record executive actually said that the Internet was a &#8220;FAD&#8221; that would soon be replaced by another &#8220;FAD.&#8221; Can you say, &#8220;OOOPS.&#8221; </p>
<p>Oh my, is it me, or who allowed companies to put out blank media? Oh wait, that&#8217;s right, the industry did! Need I go further with this argument.</p>
<p>#60, You remind me of that executive. This war was over when the industry killed the original Napster. Once the old music Nazi&#8217;s are gone, the Anons will take care of the artist with a more efficient way to distribute and promote the artists work. Music will be better off for living through these totalitarian days. </p>
<p>Oh yeah #60 F#$K YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: musicman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stunning! A page full of rants and not one suggestion of an alternate solution that might lead to an equitable arrangement for the people that create the work that all enjoy. Using the big, bad music industry as justification for one&#039;s acts is but a smokescreen. Less than 1% of artists receive over 90% of the monetary benefit from sales of music. Additionally, taking any creative work that is not legitimately offered up for free is an infringement of a duly recognized Human Right. 

Dr. Undies (#59) suggests that he or she should not have to re-buy music. You don&#039;t. You can even convert vinyl to mp3 on your own if you are willing to take the time. Will someone please offer a viable option. Artists recognize the realities they are faced with but &quot;I will never pay for your work you greedy pig&quot; is simply not a dignified position to take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunning! A page full of rants and not one suggestion of an alternate solution that might lead to an equitable arrangement for the people that create the work that all enjoy. Using the big, bad music industry as justification for one&#8217;s acts is but a smokescreen. Less than 1% of artists receive over 90% of the monetary benefit from sales of music. Additionally, taking any creative work that is not legitimately offered up for free is an infringement of a duly recognized Human Right. </p>
<p>Dr. Undies (#59) suggests that he or she should not have to re-buy music. You don&#8217;t. You can even convert vinyl to mp3 on your own if you are willing to take the time. Will someone please offer a viable option. Artists recognize the realities they are faced with but &#8220;I will never pay for your work you greedy pig&#8221; is simply not a dignified position to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Undies</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 05:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The powers that be will bite themselves in their collective asses. Look at the huge backlash against Metallica when they closed down Napster.  These money =crazed assholes need to realise that they can only push the masses so far before the masses push back with more clout. I stopped buying music years ago ..since I was forced to re-buy my music collection every time the technology changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The powers that be will bite themselves in their collective asses. Look at the huge backlash against Metallica when they closed down Napster.  These money =crazed assholes need to realise that they can only push the masses so far before the masses push back with more clout. I stopped buying music years ago ..since I was forced to re-buy my music collection every time the technology changed.</p>
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		<title>By: MPAA Lists Major Torrent, Usenet and Hosting Sites In Submission To U.S. Government &#124; Systema</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MPAA Lists Major Torrent, Usenet and Hosting Sites In Submission To U.S. Government &#124; We R Pirates</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The harder they get on suing and censoring the internet. The more i will release, boycott them, seed, educate others,  build darknets and encrypt. Protests will turn in to war. 

All your base are belong to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The harder they get on suing and censoring the internet. The more i will release, boycott them, seed, educate others,  build darknets and encrypt. Protests will turn in to war. </p>
<p>All your base are belong to us.</p>
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