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Anti-Piracy Law is ‘Reasonable’ Says Kiwi Music Chief

The proposed anti-filesharing legislation in New Zealand has got more than its fair share of press recently but unfortunately for the music industry, most of it has been bad. However, the head of New Zealand’s answer to the RIAA says everyone has it wrong, insisting Section 92A is a “reasonable” response.

Last year, the New Zealand government passed ’3-strike’ legislation which was designed to have alleged copyright infringers disconnected from the Internet. In February a code of practice was drafted by the music industry and ISPs which attempted to lay out how the ISPs would go about disconnecting people.

Considering that the legislation received almost universal opposition from anyone not in the music business, it came as no surprise that the parties involved couldn’t come to an agreement. Prime Minister John Key announced that the law would be delayed while a solution is found, noting that they may have to change the law in order to reach one.

But according to Campbell Smith, CEO of RIANZ (New Zealand’s answer to the RIAA) everyone complaining about the legislation is wrong and the music industry is right. Writing in The New Zealand Herald, Smith says that despite the ‘fact’ that the industry has “transformed its business models”, unlicensed music on the Internet is proving a disincentive to those looking to sell music online.

Smith says that the music industry has been working hard to find “proportionate and reasonable solutions” to tackle illicit file-sharing. Noting that in some countries labels take legal action against those uploading music, Smith says that Section 92A “is a better solution for everyone,” although don’t be surprised if that “everyone” is limited to those in the music industry.

Smith says that after looking long and hard for a solution to the ‘problem’, the industry realized that ISPs are in a “unique position to help us protect creative content online,” and feels that it’s the government’s responsibility to force these negotiations on the ISPs, despite the fact that the ISPs aren’t happy about it at all. Seems everyone has a responsibility to the music industry – like it or not.

Turning to what he describes as “sensational propaganda” surrounding Section 92A in the press recently, Smith says that if the law was half as bad as is being reported, he would vote against it himself. Now that would be a sensation.

Going on to the tracking mechanics, he explained that the process of catching an infringer is simple. The labels will log on to public file-sharing ‘sites’ and log the IP addresses of people uploading large amounts of copyright infringing material and report them to their ISP. Further details of how the entire system would operate can be found here.

From a BitTorrent perspective, it will not be as easy to track people sharing vast amounts of music as it is with applications such as LimeWire, since there is no ‘shared folder’. It’s doubtful that the labels will be as selective as they are suggesting, though. Many of the infringement notices being sent out in the UK right now are for just one track and if the labels are pinning all of their hopes on this new system, expect there to be lots and lots of them in New Zealand too.

Smith says that consumers need to be reassured that what is being done is “efficient and proportionate” but it’s difficult to see why any ‘consumer’ should appreciate the fact that privately owned businesses should have a veto over their continued Internet access, or feel that such action is “proportionate”.

Content creators do have the right to protect their work, as much is written in law, but threats and disconnections aren’t going to work. Not only are the public annoyed at the actions of the music industry, but ISPs are being dragged into this ‘war’ too. Expect things to get even more messy.

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  • Gargamel

    “Going on to the tracking mechanics, he explained that the process of catching an infringer is simple. The labels will log on to public file-sharing ’sites’ and log the IP addresses of people uploading large amounts of copyright infringing material and report them to their ISP.”
    -
    Another reason why public sites are crap.

  • nesomumi

    ok. how many times do i need to pay for the same thing.
    and can i or can’t i listen my cd,or watch a movie whit my frends in my house. or do i need to kicked them out every time when i listen/watch to something.
    this is so retarded.
    instead of them chasing people that sell pirated software, they are chasing people that share software, audio, video for free, and on that mouth to mouth marketing they can earn tons of money. simple because some one that have the money will buy the product to get rid of the annoyance of pirated product (it is much nicer when you can say i bought it, and safer virus wise), and people that can’t buy it will simple use it and market it future.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    What would be ‘proportionate’ is, a person on a high rise with a rifle looking down at these RIAA wannabe scum in his crosshairs as he slowly squeezes the trigger….one by one.

  • Anonymous

    @eZee
    as much as i disslike the RIAA i dislike your rhetoric more

  • repoman

    It’s not the job of the ISP’s to police their own customers. They are there to provide a service, one that shouldn’t be restricted by other outside parties.

  • honest bob

    Gargamel – yeah, public sites are so crap…
    because they’ve had such difficulty in getting onto private trackers (oops, elitetorrents, oink etc)

    because they require a username to download (oops, thats private sites)

    because they keep logs (oops thats private sites, again, to calculate ratio)

    How many times can you be wrong in one sentence…. Too many!

  • Anonymous

    “Another reason why public sites are crap.”

    Replace the word public with private.

    OMGZ PRIVZT SITZ R CRP

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    @4, The internet is farrr too important in this day and age for private companies to have a say if you are allowed to have it or not *IF* they don’t have 100% proof that you have committed a/the crime.

    I totally stand by my comment and would be most happy if people like Cary Sherman, Dan Glickman etc were ‘taken out’ for what they have done and continue to do in the name of ‘copyright infringement’.

    Giving a totally private industry/monopoly total authority (judge, jury and.. ) over YOUR internet connection when there exists no %100 accurate way of detecting infringement is not only wrong but must have passed after a lot of palms were greased.
    That _is_ a crime and there should be consequences… history has shown us when the laws and the people who make the laws keep treating their people unjustly; revolt and bloodshed usually follow.

  • everything for free

    If torrent sites can supposedly make millions in ad revenue then the labels should open their own site and give the music away for free and be done with it. Making money from ads and getting joe public to use his/her own bandwidth to distribute the content for free, seems like a no-brainer to me. Why wont they do that?
    Now come on all you trolls from the man!!! Give us your opinion on that!!!!!

  • The DON

    My friend is accused by Davenport Lyons (here in the UK) of sharing a videogame called ‘Dream Pinball 3D’. We now have evidence that he did not do such a thing.
    Wrongfull accusations are not as uncommon as the music (film, game etc…) industries would have us believe.
    The ISPs are not immune to making mistakes when recording which subscriber owned what IP address at a given time (which we believe is how my friend was mis-identified). This is evidenced in the case of my friend as well as the well documented case of the Inverness couple accused of sharing Atari ‘Race 07′ (another Davenport Lyons screw-up).
    The same can be expected in New Zealand when they also mis-identify an elderly couple as being the guilty parties for sharing a hard-core gay porn film. This has also been alleged by Davenport Lyons.
    Expect this sort of news should this law ever be passed.

  • Anonymous

    corporate greed where they take freedom from people! Which I sure it’s heading that way soon.

  • .NFO collector

    This will no doubt result in a lot of false accusations against many torrent users who download music.

    Many music torrents are compilations of multiple tracks or several albums combined into a single torrent, allowing users to select which particular files they wish to download.

    Because there is no way for the anti-P2P monitoring agents to distinguish individual files within the torrent of any particular user in the swarm, they will simply assume that ALL users are downloading/uploading ALL files — which in big (multi-gigabyte) music compilation torrents is almost never the case.

    Personally, I only select the .NFO files in a torrent, because I like to collect all the Scene Groups’ NFO art. But by downloading these perfectly legal .NFO files, I will get wrongfully punished for supposedly distributing copyrighted material.

  • Gargamel

    @honestbob

    Stay on TPB where you belong moron.

    Just listening your drivel of stupidity about your knowledge of what a private tracker is, makes it painfully obvious why your not on any good sites.

    Go back to limewire, they miss you.

  • Busted Brain Cells.

    OOOOOH….YEESSSSSSS…
    Go GARGAMEL Go…..

  • Busted Brain Cells.

    Ya Knowww?……I miss Limewire as well!…When i was suckin on ma mothers tit, i remember searchin on that motherfuckin thing…An all i got was pron..! Got ma balls slapped quite a few times for that liddle mistake….y’aaaaaaaaallllllll

  • Busted Brain Cells.

    Wastaaa bleeeeedin time that was???…LOL…wonder wether it will pass the mods?…mmmm…lol..

  • Arkanrais

    And here I was hoping NZ would be left out of this crap.
    I don’t want my ISP sending me a letter saying I’ve been downloading copyrighted material next time someone like NIN releases a free album for download (the slip) or next time I download a free DVD (as one youtube channel I know of did).
    Urh, I’m sure Davenport Lyons will be opening up shop here soon.

  • Anonymous

    If the US gets something like this I would just cancel my internet connection. The only reason I download music is if I already own it, I don’t want to buy it again in digital format if I own it. They would call me a criminal, their attitude is why I only buy used CDs so they see no money from me.

    @9
    I was wondering that same thing, the recording industry guys don’t just copy TPB. It makes no sense if they claim TPB makes millions, that would cover server, bandwidth, and other costs hundereds of times over making more then enough profit to keep the fuel tanks on their Ferraris and Hummers full.

  • Anonymous

    “The only reason I download music is if I already own it, I don’t want to buy it again in digital format if I own it.”

    That is a load of crap. You only download what you own? You don’t know how to rip a CD? Use EAC..it’s free too.

    Anyways…I download tons from private trackers. I own some of it..about 2%. I’m not bragging but it’s the truth. I would say most people that are on private trackers download way more than they own.

    Anyways….the dude that said mp3s should be free and have adds on the site…i agree. Or how about offer an album for free in 128k? If you wanted a V0 rip, you would pay $.15 a track or $.25 for FLAC. Charging $.99 a track for a crappy rip is criminal.

  • sllort

    Good! At last the beleaguered music industry can actually start to cause serious consequences for the selfish A**HOLES that are ripping the lifeblood out of the music business.

    This is a perfectly reasonable step to take. If you don’t want to be disconnected the DON’T DOWNLOAD music illegally and go and purchase and support the artist and hardworking executives who make dreams happen.

  • Broyd

    Although not 100% effective, (although I’ve never seen a case where it has failed), why not make use of Peerguardian2 to avoid being detected ‘sharing any material’.

    The blocklists used by this program are constantly updated to include the likes of the RIAA and BSA and … and … to the tune of about 1,016,000,000 (ya, that’s correct) IP addresses. In a nutshell anyone attempting to connect to your system having one of these blocked IP addresses can’t make that connection, and subsequently can’t retrieve anything you are sharing.

  • 7SeVeN7

    @broyd
    Peerguardian2 also has the tendency to block legit IP`s it cannot trusted eather……..

  • You know, having worked on the wikipedia article

    I’m really confused by the exact wording that explicitly lays out the “guilt by accusation”, I’ve read section 92, and being illiterate in legalese that I am, I can’t really see anything explicit beyond vague wording that defines it as ISP’s fault…unless it’s been changed since the October version that I found….the public tracker thing does concern me though.

  • Broyd

    @7SeVeN7

    I agree that legitimate IPs are occasionally included in the blocklists … and that’s unfortunate and can’t be helped (just like the occasional false virus detections).

    However, it’s not really a matter of trust regarding PG2 … more a measure of you making use of a tool that can provide you with considerable ‘protection’.

    I have always been able to complete every torrent download even though I use PG2. On the other hand, my cousin who wasn’t using PG2 at the time got a warning email from his ISP about sharing some material. His ISP warned him that they would turn over his personal identity and address if they were served a court order.

    So really, its up to the individual to decide PG2 usefullness. And yes, occasionally a ‘nasty’ IP address will not yet have been added to the blocklist and so there is a slight chance you could be ‘spotted’. Just as you stand a chane of becoming infected by a brand new virus that has not yet have been added to the virus definition files … But would you run your system without an antivirus program?

    Just a suggestion :)!

  • John

    How much do the artists make per sale anyway do they even make a good
    percentage of the $30 + dollars that they are seen in the store. If the artist wants some money. Sell it themselves and make good music not mediocre.

  • Jimmy

    To #19 sllort: I am assuming you are not trying to be a troll, but my point is, such a draconian measure will ensnare innocent people. The anti-p2p groups have been know to go after the innocent by mistake, and wi-fi networks can be breached and used for downloading copyrighted material. The ends simply do not justify the means with a “three-strikes” proposal.

  • Rotm

    Who is this Campbell Smith person? and who gives a toss what the hell he thinks?

    Never head of him… until now that there’s a chance of screwing people over and making some money?

    Stick your over priced, low quality, crappy music and laws up ya mum.

    Lots of love,
    NZ

  • Anonymous

    @19

    ROFL go get hammered from behind by a heavyset negro.

    The music business slit it’s own throat with all the crap they turn out every year.

    Watch American idol auditions, that’s what buying music is like. 200,000 contestants, 95% crap.

  • Yes_-_MAM

    @27: why do you download it and cause a problem then if it’s crap?

    What’s the point in downlaoding crap?

    HUH?! WHY IS THAT??!! TELL ME NOW?!?!?!

  • anon

    I for one am really not too worried about this. If you’re served an ‘education notice’ with evidence that would actually stand up in court (which would have to be pretty freaking detailed) then you deserve to get it, since you have clearly been breaking the law. If the information is not enough to stand up in court (including being wrong), then file a counter notice, and you’re fine.

    Either way, if you don’t break the law, you have nothing to worry about, since you can just file a counter notice.

  • Jacob

    That stupid RIAA guy can go kill himself. And he can go back to America and die their.. If that law comes through they better not think they can kick me off my internet. Because in New Zealand you are allowed to reproduce things for purpose of review as long as you do not keep them forever.

    So if they tried that on me I will say that it was for purposes of review and it wasn’t even me who downloaded it. Also I could say that I did not download anything but I do have a printer attached to my network and “I read an article about a printer, well more than a few printers that where confusing the I.P loggers and I think it might be my printer.”. And then I could say “I need this for school and special medical reasons”. I could also argue that I only downloaded the info files. And I could say that for all I know TPB inserted my I.P address in the swarm to trick your ip loggers and it worked.

    I could also say I have a whole household of witnesses. And I could say yes I was downloading that but I only downloaded 51% of it and so every second 1 or 0 was missing and theirfore it looks nothing like what you have the copyright for and so I did not breach your copyright. Infact yes for all of those 10,000 songs I only downloaded 50% of them. And you can’t prove me wrong :P

    And I could say “yer well I would of thought of buying your music only your price fixing has made it to expensive and I will only buy DRM free (copy all I want legally) full F.L.A.C or better quality LOSLESS music. And their is no compromising on sounds I *aparently* can’t here.”

    Anyways who really losses out. If this becomes law then I will join the first “angry youth mob” created to fight this. I will trash the riaa headquarters if I have to.

    I loves my FLAC quality music. Me loves WinAmp and hates Itunes.

    They can come for me because I run Peer Guardian 2 which although it doesn’t offer me immunity it drastically reduces my chances of getting caught. And I have smarts and will not go to some really dodgy site. Also I know my stuff (about computers and economics) and will not go down without a fight. I will refuse to do something because I do not like being told what to do cause I am very defiant. I have ADHD and ODD and spare time. They can come for me because I am ready. They fail. They can fail some more.

    Infact I admit it. Right now I am breaching there copyrights. I am thinking of a song in my head that I do not own a cd for. I am singing the song (very, very, very badly). I break your copyright OHNOES *GASP* :o. OMG sue me take $1million dollars.

    I spit in RIAAs face. The RIAA can leave my country and go to the moon where they can make all the laws they want to.

    If they take my internet of :o (yes :o) then I will go to the ombudsman and tell them that I want to see a detailed breakdown of all money retrieved by the RIAA as compensation for piracy as to where and what was being pirated. Because theirs a good chance that at least. $0.0000000000000000000000001 of that was of “lost sales” (according to riaa “download=lost sale”) for our local artists. And I want to see proof that the local artist got their share of that. And if they did not or even missed out on anything then I want the RIAA barred from our country, operating in our country and speaking to our country. Because they are very corrupt and have repetably been found guilty of stuff like price fixing. Anyhow I would say I demmand the commerce commision regulate all RIAA opperations in new zealand.

  • 27

    @28

    ROFL??? are you suggesting I spend money on crap instead?? This will only encourage the @ssholes to produce more crap.

    I’m not causing the problem, it’s the greedy b@stards in the music industry… name one singer which ISN’t trying become a billionaire.. The music industry is fed by greed and they THINK they are missing out on sales when it comes to piracy. That’s what all this is about… money for a diamond toilet seat cover and a means to feed crack habbit.

  • Jacob

    @12 .nfo collector.
    Yes that is what I would also say in court. I collect .NFO files but unfortunately I lost a HDD recently full of .nfos and I put it in the bin and its in the rubbish dump now. “Oh I wish I still had all those cool .NFOs, if I did I could show you them all! :(wahaha”. It is good that other people have also realized this obvious defense. I would use a whole ton of highly disputable (by me but not by them) reasons to how, by downloading some of the torrent information I am not breaking copyright laws.

  • STFU Jacob

    Along with the rest of that load of inane rambling you just posted – you’ll murder people and the stuff that would get you laughed out of court – you made the statement “I am smart” which is something that stupid people say. It’s quiet obvious that your of below average intelligence but like repeating what your mother and teachers tell you to boost your inferiority.

    For a 16 year old you’re remarkably transparent. Imagine if you will a 10 year old kid saying “I’m smart” – no difference.

  • Jacob

    @33

    I LOLS @ u.
    Lets sing the LOL SONG.
    I LOL
    U LOL
    WE all LOL
    AT you LOL
    LolL

    LOLZys
    ———
    Oh did that annoy you :P Hahaha mhm

  • NubCakes

    As well as being a expert on the legal system and defending himself in court (in his own imagination), an economics expert (without qualification) and believing that he is drastically safer using IP blockers such as PG2 (Wrong: http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2006/05/blocklist-balderdash.html ), Jacob is also great at writing songs with the word LOL.

    New Zealand: the dangers of introducing sheep DNA into humans revealed.

  • LOL MAFIAA

    It will be interesting if Section 92A really does pass, if Mr. Smith thinks that it’s just as easy as going to a tracker listing and finding the infringing uploaders.

    I wonder what he’ll think when his IP address shows up in the list?

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    and in a short time all the isps will whine about no one using the internet , and then when the riaa and mpaa has no increase in sales , then what
    yup home searches for a mp3 you don’t own hah big sister is coming , as big brother is already there.

  • Ralph’s mum

    Mini*nova Moder*ator Yeoldr*ocker’s Pro*file

    NICK NA*ME: yeold*rocker

    RE*AL NAME: Ra*lph

    DATE OF BIRTH: 17 August 1952 (age 56)

    PLACE OF BIRTH: Gre*ece – Ath*ens

    NATION*ALITY: British

    IP AD*DRESS: 94.71.128.198

    HOST MA*SK: athedsl-4494526.home.otenet.gr

  • Ralph’s mum

    PICT*URES: hxxp://img194.imag*evenue.com/img.php?image=35346_yeorDscn0386s_122_230lo.jpg

    hxxp://img109.imag*evenue.com/img.php?image=35688_yeorIMG_0164_122_929lo.jpg

    of English (Yor*kie) dad, and Greek mum. Lived in Gre*ece all his life.

    He has one daughter who was born in 1981 (age 27), she studied 4 years at U*WE in England, her residence is in France – Paris

    His wi*fe from Le*banon

    CURRENT CAR: Au*di TT Cab*rio Tu*rbo Qu*attro

    JOB: Ret*ired shi*pping guy

    MAR*RIAGE DATE: 1980

    He is a member in many pr*0n forums

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    What is ultimately needed to oppose this is unity, for each of us alone as individuals are relatively powerless. Pirates of the world, unite!

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    Also, remember that this is an attack on pirates, and also all internet users. Will we stand by and let them attack us, or will we fight back? The RIAA and New Zealand’s equivalent will stop at nothing until all pirates are destroyed, or until we destroy it. If we will have any even chance at fighting back, we must have unity, and for this reason: pirates of the world, unite!

  • Anonymous

    @18
    You ever hear of vinyls, 8-tracks, or cassette tapes?

  • Anonymous

    @19

    you are an idiot

  • Alex Black

    @18: Charging for FLAC, lol. Free Lossless Audio Codec, non-proprietary, open source. I still have about 100 albums on tape that I haven’t downloaded yet. I’m not paying a cent for a second copy of music I bought before I had a minimum wage paying job, and sure as hell won’t pay for FLAC. Music SHOULD be shared and information should be free. Why should anyone profit on education, and why, if you want people to hear your music, would you charge more than covering your costs and putting food on your plate. The RIAA has fattened their own bellies by gouging the artist and the consumer, and muddying the pool of creativity in the name of pure profit. Now they are practicing terrorism in the guise of legal action to get our money. Fascists.

  • e

    @43 & @45

    I believe you wanted to put @19 instead of @18.

    I can agree with 18, I download what I can’t rip so I don’t have to pay for it again and I rip CDs myself in FLAC. I don’t buy new CDs either but that’s due to used being cheaper. I can rip it once then carry around a small MP3 player with whole discographies instead of dozens of CDs and a bluky CD player, good since I can plug it into my car stereo and not have to change CDs while driving. I do buy a lot of posters and shirts and other merchandise, I’m guessing you do the same thing.

  • Joshua

    Time for open wireless networks to create deniability

  • Anonymous Z

    Wow, I didn’t think this thread would degenerate into name calling and other foolishness until it reached 50 posts.

    On a serious note, this is quite foolish. The people of New Zealand need to unite (similar to the rantings of 41 and 42), and tell their government that they oppose this. The RIAA and other organizations have power if the people do not rise to oppose them.

    While I say this you need to bear in mind that we are still rooted in reality. An armed uprising is a rather extreme expectation as a response, and should be avoided at all costs. The speculations that this might even be a possibility damages both our image and credibility as a group.

    May I remind you of other groups who bore this mantra? The KKK, the Red Faction, and various other supremacy groups over the course of history.

    We do not want to allow them to compare us with insane racists. Our movement must survive, and our ideas must be heard. I enjoy the idea that 19 stated, though I don’t see it happening.

    The music industry will not change as long as there is a scapegoat to blame their failure upon. We have proven to our satisfaction (through various studies and expert reports) that pirating does not directly correspond to a drop in sales. These studies are parried by (factually proven incorrect) reports commissioned by the RIAA.

    The real goal for each and every person out there should be to talk to their local government, provide the facts as they stand, and tell their government that being bullied by a private interest is not acceptable.

    We have more than enough information to prove that we are right. If anything, the trial of The Pirate Bay highlights this in exquisite details. Any threats, direct or otherwise, only serve to hamper our cause.

  • JTK

    That’s complete BS but since it’s getting a lot of people voting against it I doubt it will go through.

    I think that in the UK Davenport Lyons don’t send letters out any more coz of all the bad press it got and the companies didn’t want to be associated with it.

  • djnforce9

    @33 and @12
    http://www.nfohump.com/

    Knock yourself out. No need to rely on torrents any longer to get your NFO fix :D

    …And if you ever wanted to create your own NFOs using the scene’s style with whatever content and frame you want, download a picture of some kind of frame and run it through this: http://www.glassgiant.com/ascii/
    Then fill in the text accordingly.

    Have fun :)

  • anon2

    if Mrs Campbell Smith was caught shop-lifting, would he expect her to be banned from the shop where the offence was commited or from every shop in the world? same thing applies here, surely. if i am caught downloading music illegally from his web site, then i deserve to be banned from his web site, not from every web site on the internet or the internet in general. the man is obviously a cross between a moron and a megalomaniac. try putting the shoe on the other foot and see how you would like it if neither you or your wife could ever shop again. no food, no clothes, no music or videos. nothing!! for God’s sake, get a grip man!!

  • NubCakes

    “Personally, I only select the .NFO files in a torrent, because I like to collect all the Scene Groups’ NFO art.”

    I smell BS… why do you use BT for this – the selection is limited (not all scene content is upped and sometime nfos don’t get upped).

    Why don’t you obtain your .nfo’s from vcdquality, nfohump or other sites that specialise in dir names & host nfos? The selection is far wider, always there and easier to obtain…

  • Anonymous

    the word force as in ” force the Isp’s to implement this”
    bothers me I don’t like to be forced to do or accept anything

  • Anonymous

    good luck decrypting the vpn connection to mah topsitez innit

  • if it’s war they want

    well here in france, a “reasonable” answer is being voted. hadopi, more known as “three strikes” (2 warnings then no more internet if you’re caught in a swarm) law.

    what can i say… if i get a warning, i’ll stop buying music (around 150€ on my budget a month) and i’ll rent a 100mbit seed box in a foreign country instead, so i’ll end up downloading far more without buying anything. I’ll also start to get dvd isos, which i can’t really do with my actual connexion, since seeding won’t be a problem anymore.

    Conclusion : epic win for the industry

  • Yo

    I love it!
    The nice thing about all of this is that you can circumvent all of these minor legal troubles by technology.

    I hope these will force the adoption of highly anonymous protocols that will put the final nail in the RIAA/ IPFI coffin!

  • SteveO

    Heres wha tI do not understand. LEts say I download an episode of “The Simpsons”. OK I paid my cable bill.($75) SO I could have watched it on the TV. But I had to work. I could have recorded it. But instead I recorded Southpark from Comedy Central. So the competing channels aired them at the same time. So if I go download from the internet, that I also PAY for.($55)
    So I am into this for $130 a month already. And I did technically PAY for the damn content, why should I get in trouble for downloading it?
    I dont know, it seems im getting not very much for my money these days. And how many CRAP games have I bought for the X-box. And miserable NON ending movies. Seems that the movie industry wants me to leave the theatre waiting for an ending. SO up their ARSES I say. They are always breaking TOP BOX OFFICE WEEKEND RECORDS, PLATINUM RECORDS, BLAH BLAH. And they want to take it out of our everyday hard worked money. I PAY MY DAMN BILLS. GIVE ME MY CONTENT!!!

  • SteveO

    Oh and I have NEVER seen a starving ACTOR or rap artist. Seems they are doing just fine. Living the high life in ritzy restarants and glamourous mansions. Sickening, the amount of money they make. The people that are going to get hurt the most is ISP and computer companys that make a fortune from the 500gig hard drives, fancy MP3 players and Iphones. DVD burners and DVD sales. Do they actually think that people will continue to buy those things if they cant get free stuff? Thats what revolutionized those industries in my opinion. Software companys that make $500 paintshop programs, will make their money from the SAME people who always buy that stuff for magazine productions and what not, but how many home users are going to have that without hacked versions. NONE, thats who. But thats what drives people to KNOW about them and pursue careers in that field. Lets face it, without piracy, the industry will drop. Its inconceivable that the average person is going to spend $10,000 a year for games, software,Music and movies. Didnt happen before piracy, wont happen after it either.

  • Rotm

    *@29*

    *32* is on the ball, read that…

    Can you honestly tell me that you go buy a CD (read: 5 cent piece of plastic with the same data on it that has been copied\sold over and over) and feel like you HAVEN’T been totally ripped off? Pfft… yeah.

    The prices in NZ are around $30 or more for a newish release, now that is theft for you. How much actually goes to the artist that you “support by buying” their CD, F*UCK ALL? I THINK SO… you are lining the pockets of greedy assholes that don’t care about music, CD’s or people.

    I for one have not brought a CD in at least 10 years and would not have, even if it was not available via the net!

    So RIANZ can piss off if they think they can tell me whats fair and reasonable.

    Hugs and kisses,
    NZ

  • Animality

    Fellow Kiwi here! It really doesn’t help New Zealand artists at all to restrict the downloads of their music. Kiwi musicians are much more worried about getting their music out there, than what their album sales are like. The New Zealand music scene is very much more based around live concerts and a fan following than how many records they are able to sell. An effective way of getting their music out to the wider world is in fact piracy. I, for one, will buy a CD and merchandise of a band that I am a fan of, provided I was buying the album directly from the artist. CD prices are absolutely ridiculous here, no way in hell do I want to buy one.

  • Ben Hurr

    “This is a perfectly reasonable step to take. If you don’t want to be disconnected the DON’T DOWNLOAD music illegally and go and purchase and support the artist and hardworking executives who make dreams happen.”

    The problem is that these folks shouldn’t be able to meddle with your internet, or anything, in the first place.

    Not to mention they’re renowned world-wide for targeting people at random.

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  • David/NJ1/CI4911TRUTH

    this is a bit off topic but i would like to share some info that is true and most be done.

    A. it does not hurt anyone to share movies and music ( and others).
    B. even if you buy a nice copy of any software,or anyone wants a copy for there own needs except to make profit your safe. so fear and intimidation from these hi profile company’s like Sony, w.b.,E.A ARTS, etc.
    are bull shit because the law was not really over look by the people behind close doors which need to be over turn. also what the gov, establishment,artist,record labels , and the movie industry fear losing there profits . absolute bull shit because if your my friend and wanna go to his crib, copy any data (movie, music, etc) does not breaking any laws so your not doing anything wrong. any of us in here can go out buy or copy to copy (share) is not wrong anyone may disagree but if you do your lying to yourself….

    either way they can not stop us on or offline.

    wont stop period .

    if more laws being pass sponsors by lobbyist on closed door they will have a big prob with the people and by the people. if everyone write to political dogs , protest and demand to follow the people what they want to the core they have no other way to leave it alone because it will hurt political dogs .not only that it will hurt every one. we are the masters and they are our servant not the other way around.
    i may respect some copyright laws only the ones that you have to ask permission to distribute that’s it

    its very complex.

    sorry for my writing .
    —————————————————
    dj,producer,activist, researcher (jfk,mlk,aclu,911,and new world order)
    NJ1

  • chet

    @62

    you are some what right and i agree with a lot of what you are saying but there is some key issues that i think you have not quite grasped in the way these politicians deals with the civilian population today.

    i once asked a politician why he voted for something that the public was obviously in objection too. he told me that he was elected by the ppl for his ideals so since they voted him into office he would do as he sees fit… thats why it is so important to really understand the person that is running for that office. now the problem is today all the politicians have this same mind set and their opinion gets weighed on whom pays (donates)the most $$$ to his campaign… so now if you are voter and are not padding his pocket who are you to ask of him anything? these corps are already padding their pockets for this and that you think they will bite the hand that feeds them?

    there is no hope for man man will ultimately be in a world civil war for their freedom. they are making laws against the common man to succeed in life so that they will remain as slaves with no hope… you take a way hope and you get ppl angry!!!

    this repression has already been in place for years with the 3rd world countries being the hardest hit… the Europeans and then Americans… these rich dont care about their poor or whom they cause to be poor because of their gain. they give out merely scraps to make themselves look good in the publics eyes.
    there is a lot happening in this world not so good because of the greed of man. these are reasons why the RIAA will remain on top until they are bankrupt.

  • anon

    still don’t understand what these corporations are talking about i watch cribs on mtv and pity the poor pop stars in their huge mansions and the companies that give them a very small cut of the profits from there albums etc also A game programmer I know is paid a nice wage and is off on a nice 2 week all expenses paid trip to a convention soon probably would of been in a better hotel and first class if not for the “evil” pirates – lower your ‘#*$ rip off prices and i’d buy till then i fly the jolly roger

  • worried

    If the ISPs start monitoring everyones file sharing you’ll see new versions of P2P networks appear and get blocked. You’ll also see more people switching to sharing over the internet with services such as drop.io and http://www.myotherdrive.com

  • 5 year pirate

    since i started downloading in 04 ive spent about $15,000nz on dvds.thats enought money to go to the movies everyday for 3 years!,now how many people do that?.i am these wankstains best fucking customer and they want nothing more than to throw me in jail .they will never change until we stand up and make them!!!

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