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Anti-Piracy Lawyers “An Embarrassment To Creative Rights Industry”

After mountains of controversy built up in the wake of the ‘pay up or else’ letters sent to thousands of alleged file-sharers, one would think other lawyers might be put off following the same track, but not so. Tilly Bailey & Irvine are the new kids on the block and have just been labeled by a Lord as an “embarrassment to the rest of the creative rights industry.”

“I’ve been sent a letter from Tilly Bailey & Irvine, they say i’ve been downloading porn and want £800 or they’re going to take me to court,” said an email to TorrentFreak early February, which was quickly followed by another – and another.

We’re used to receiving these type of emails – we’ve been having them in one shape or another since Davenport Lyons (DL) started sending them out in 2007, and more recently from recipients of letters from ACS:Law.

Founded in 1841, Tilly Bailey & Irvine (TBI) are a law firm based in the North East of England and from what we’ve seen thus far in respect of this business, their modus operandi appears to have much in common with those of DL and ACS.

On January 27th/28th 2010 in the name of Media & More GmbH & Co, TBI successfully obtained a court order against ISP BT who, as usual (and unlike ISP TalkTalk which refuses to comply with these orders), simply rolled over and complied, handing over the personal details of their customers to TBI in super-quick time and charging £12,500 for the service.

In common with ACS, Tilly Bailey & Irvine are in bed with pornographers.

One outfit confirmed as a client of TBI is Golden Eye (International) Ltd, a company connected with the Ben Dover porn brand in the UK and one that has already been pursuing alleged file-sharers in Germany for the movie “Fancy An Indian – Five Spicy Dishes Covered In A Hot Creamy Sauce.” Media & More GmbH & Co have disputes in Germany with the movie “The Babysitter # 8 Cute Cock Craving Girls!”

Unusually for these type of cases, TBI send their letters by recorded delivery, an expense avoided by DL and ACS. TBI want more money than their counterparts too – £800 – but like Davenport Lyons threaten to enforce the debt against a non-payers property. They also suggest they have criminal remedies open to them which is typical of the usual heavy-handed and disproportionate psychological warfare tactics we’ve come to expect in these cases.

Those who choose to pay up are asked to sign ‘undertakings’ that they will refrain from certain things in future, one of which is to keep the terms of any settlement “secret”.

The claim letters also contain selected pages from a 160 ‘expert report’ created by
Projective Expert Group on behalf of Media Protector GmbH, the company whose ‘FileWatch‘ system was used to capture evidence used in the claim. In all cases we’ve seen thus far the allegations are connected to the eD2K network. The system appears to differ somewhat from those used previously to log alleged BitTorrent infringers and will be dissected in a future article.

TorrentFreak contacted Amanda Mitten, a lawyer in the ‘Intellectual Property Team’ at Tilly Bailey & Irvine dealing with these cases. In addition to asking how many letters the company intends to send out and a request for a list of movie titles to be claimed on, we asked some other key questions, including;

- Will TBI really “commence proceedings” within 14 days if people don’t pay up? [ACS has claimed the same but thus far has taken no-one to court]
- Can we have a full copy of the ‘expert’s report’ on the FileWatch system?
- How will the evidence identify an infringer behind an IP address and not just a bill payer? How does TBI justify claiming against a bill payer when they’re not certain he or she is an infringer?
- How do those accused go about proving a negative, i.e they didn’t carry out the infringement TBI claim they did? [this point was raised by the Lords recently]
- The letters being sent out by TBI are similar to those sent out by ACS and very, very similar to those sent out by Davenport Lyons. We earlier asked ACS if they were connected to DL – they said “NO”, but that wasn’t exactly true. We asked TBI if they are in anyway connected to either ACS or DL.
- Taking into consideration that when operating almost identical schemes both ACS:Law and Davenport Lyons became the subject of SRA investigations, coupled with the Lords labeling this type of scheme “legal blackmail“, are Tilly Bailey & Irvine concerned about tarnishing their hard-earned reputation?

After emails back and forth, mostly spent talking about TorrentFreak and the nature of this website, Tilly Bailey & Irvine refused to answer any of our questions.

Nevertheless, as expected their activities haven’t gone unnoticed and are already the subject of discussion by the Lords in the Digital Economy Bill debate, with Tilly Bailey & Irvine being mentioned by name yesterday. Lord Clement Jones labeled them, ACS:Law and the Logistep data-gathering outfit “an embarrassment to the rest of the creative rights industry.”

Baroness Howe of Idlicote said that the problem “has to be dealt with and is disgraceful,” adding, “If these firms really are law firms, they are bringing their whole profession into disrepute.”

Lord Lucas gave a very accurate overview of the schemes noting that they “must not be allowed to continue.” His contribution is detailed in its entirety over on our sister site, FreakBits.com.

We will follow this post up in due course with a closer look at the companies, people and tracking system involved in this business model, so if you have any information and would like to contribute (German contributors and eD2k specialists especially welcome), please contact us in the usual manner.

Worried letter recipients can visit BeingThreatened for more advice.

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  • Aman

    Why can’t they leave BT Network alone?

  • Traum

    Fight back and they fall from highs….

  • Huggybaby

    The ambulance chasers have found an easier way to make money: send out scare letters on behalf of their well-heeled porn masters.

  • arseonde dnim

    silly industry they never learn that they cannot win against the people.

  • anon2

    as long as money is the issue, there will always bw someone that wants yours. how they try to get it is up to them. whether they succeed is up to you. what this article shows more than anything is that lawyers are just as big a crooks as the likes of the great train robbers. what makes them worse is the fact that they are supposed to follow the law, not make use of it just for personal gain by taking advantage of those that are unable to defend themselves. there is a vast difference between practising law and taking the piss!! wont be long before there are so many firms doing the same thing, they will have to sue each other! and, typically, none are paying any heed to the comments made by ‘the lords’ either.

  • Jim

    uggh I cant believe criminal organizations like this are allowed to continue.

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  • The Damascian

    lawyers are crooks in action,i have no respect to lawyers what so ever,lawyers are teh scum of humanity.

  • Mr.Afghanistan

    @1: Leave BT network alone ?
    Stupid of you, who is leaving $ alone ?

    These law firms are making enough $ from BT users ;)

  • harr harr

    hmm one person in the organisation will be a trained lawyer, the rest will be inhouse trained haraassment scumbags, another business model aimed at making money out of the folks at lower levels of socio-economics

    atleast they seem to be pissing the wrong people off already

  • convenient truth

    BT = British Telecom

    Morons.

  • Afficianado

    Ben Dover-Fancy An Indian (5 scenes), downloading now. Thanks for the heads up.

  • Trelew

    I wonder how long before lawyers in North America start pulling off this BS? Or have they? This is sad and pathetic but not totally unexpected considering the tactics used by Big Business.

  • It’s Not me, It’s YOU

    “Ben Dover” LOL imaginative name.

    Surely only those not guilty of infringement should contact Being Threatened as it says on their website:-
    “The advice and information on this site are for the falsely accused only. We do not condone piracy, and we respect the right of the copyright holders to get compensation when their property is misappropriated.”

    If ya dloaded ya porn, via a mule, (Muffin the mule???) it’s time fo pay for watching G@y.

  • Le Sigh

    @12 – This has, indeed, been going on in the US for many years. Though not by private law firms, these tactics are no different from the RIAA’s ‘sue em all’ campaign. The number of extortion letters offering these ‘settlements’ sent out by the RIAA numbers well into the hundreds of thousands by some estimates.

  • FYT

    The suits are the real pirates.

  • Anonymous

    Enigmax, would it be possible to post the email correspondence between you and Tilly Bailey & Irvine?

  • Pirate Dave

    Who wants to finish this old joke:

    Question: Why don’t sharks bite lawyers?

    Answer:

  • In other news
    In an article deriding ambulance chasers, TF displays advert from
    “Compensation Accident Helpline” Ambulance chasers.
    Well, if it’s good enough for G@y pr0n producers…

  • LilY Allen stole my album title

    “emails from TBI…we get lots of these”

  • justanothercitizen

    Hooray for people like Lord Clement Jones, Baroness Howe of Idlicote and Lord Lucas, that have clear thinking minds. It is good when people with power are also smart!!!

  • eli

    set up a corp sell your property to the entity. problem solved! a friend of mine did this when they came to take his house for debits owed on credit cards and loans. how ever since they did not do this before hand it wont work for them unless they got a really good lawyer

  • Anon y mouse1

    Yeah that’s right sue people and it will stop piracy, jesus fucking christ, these parasitic lawyer scumbags really don’t have a clue!

  • LilY Allen stole my album title

    Answer this old joke:

    What do you do if you run your lawyer over?

    Answer?

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Yep. The lawyers will change their evil bottom feeding ways.

    I also heard that peace in the middle east, the cures for cancer/AIDS, turning water in to wine and Britney’s ability to have legitimate talent are all actually possible.

    Well, I’m off to play in the meadows of forever with munchkins and monkey bats and see if I can crush an evil witch with a house.

  • Einstein

    As I said before, the so-called “piracy” is turning out to be a gold mine for anti-piracy outfits and their lawyers.
    And NO, they are NOT sharing the loot with the “victims of piracy”, namely the content creators.

  • Lily Allen stole my album title
  • concerned about England

    They seem to be an old company Tilly Bailey & Irvine with many top companies under there books if these companies knew how low this company is driving for cash then i am sure they would change solicitor.. So best advise if your innocent post bad reviews on tilly bailey & irvine on your blogs.. because already i see google picking these up on the front page before long the more this happens they will loose all respect and become exactly the name the lords have given them.

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  • jovialau

    To 17…..Professional courtesy!!!!And now………….For something different….What is the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?………One is a scum feeding bottom dweller..and the other …….is a fish!!

  • Free SCV

    Well I’ll have to say that “SOMEONE” will have to punch these extortionists in the face!

    The next guy sued into financial oblivion should take these attack dogs with them. Rock in the window, punch in the head. Bc obviously writing your MP/ Senator (on the take from media guys) doesn’t work.

    How dare I? How dare THEY!, they don’t lose a customer if you never WERE one. People wanting free media aren’t criminal.

    This intellectual poverty abuse must stop. I see it akin to blacks not being able to read/write.

    Course my real faith is not in smashing in their offices/faces /w 50 strong, it’s more about daily voting to change these broken and abusive laws each DAY, instead of every 5 years where the day after the election our most valuable “leaders” are taken to fancy dinner in exchange for un representative laws.

    If everyone in the UK (60,000,000+ people) got a vote:

    “should these extortionists be ALLOWED to sue regular people?”

    I’d say 90% would say no. Someone build a worldwide daily voting machine please. 7,000,000,000+ people want a say too!

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    Sure as he’ll worked for Linux!

    Love to read news about the already financially broken costing these dogs some dental! Packs of victims, in turn, gathering, organizing, and costing legal firms in trashed comps/offices/bones….

    B/c when they’ve pushed you to the wall, well, you get what you get! ;)

    Law does not equal what’s right/wrong if the laws are already bought & sold.

    Would an assault charge be worst then 500,000 bucks of being sued? What if I can’t afford the fine? I bet assault would be less time (if the 50 pack is even caught! Always a chance for freedom! Strength in numberz)

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  • Paul London UK

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100302/1403088372.shtml

    UK Politicians Look To Make Digital Economy Bill Even Worse

  • Belgianboy

    They are just a bunch of bullies. Do as I do with bullies: the first one that steps into my reach gets a taste of well-trained fist.

  • lawyer

    1) If you receive a letter like this, write back saying that they are mistaken and that any action will be vigorously defended. even better, go pay a lawyer to write this letter for you.

    2) if a summons/writ arrives, go to a lawyer and have them put in a simple defence, will only cost a few quid.

    3) the case will almost certainly not go any further thanks to the costs involved, the difficulty with evidence etc

    If everybody does this, the business model of Tilly Bailey & Irvine/Davenport Lyons etc will be destroyed

  • Cunt

    @eli: “set up a corp sell your property to the entity. problem solved! a friend of mine did this when they came to take his house for debits owed on credit cards and loans. how ever since they did not do this before hand it wont work for them unless they got a really good lawyer”

    You obviously have NFI about corporate law, what a corporation is and are making this up (a fantasy in other words), your friend has lied to you and you are very gullible or you are parroting what someone else told you (and your woefully gullible still).

    Never ceases to amaze me that people have these amazing ideas that seem so simple and too good to be true. Hey, WOW – according to you fantasy, anyone can avoid paying their debts for security backed assets as well as KEEP THE ASSET AS WELL. It’s amazing!! Why would people even keep giving loans when it’s so easy to NOT PAY THEM and KEEP THE SECURITY so the lender has no chance at all of making back their losses the debtor incurred. WOW, it makes no sense at all!!

    I wonder why there isnt a HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DOING THIS then? Could it be that it is illegal and the penalties for fraud are massive and that security backed assets, by definition, have a paper trail a mile long at multiple agencies that guarentees conviction essentially??

    The real world is this way, stop basing what you think is true on the “word of a mate” and “how i imagine things are”.

  • John Down

    If only “Law Abiding Citizen” would have been based on a true story. It would have been a blockbuster.

    Maybe someone will find it inspiring and use these scumbags to make a great story for a new movie.

    What happened to right and wrong?

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  • Ben Dover

    @32 lawyer

    lets see, pay lawyers to fight lawyers.

    who wins?

    the wheel turns.

  • Felch

    this article is biased and totally wrong as per usual.

    copyright infringments must be stopped. this law firm are well within the bounds of the law. scaring thieves into stopping their theft is definitely a valid option of curtailing this rape of the industry.

    if anything the IP thieves should be grateful: is not recieving a scar in the mail better than facing charges and massive penalties – still nowehere near the amount of damage being done ot the industry by any measure though – as some of this miserable lowlifes perpetrating this act already have?

    i wish all the best to this new angle of attack against thieves and may the Good Work continue, Amen.

    Get ready to recieve a nasty letter people. although the penalties you should be facing should be far higher to accord justice and the righting of wrongs (money) against copyright holders this is still a great and valiant effort against this raping and pillaging of people’s livelihoods. Pirates deserve far worse – let’s hope prison time starts to be awarded to nasties who cannot pay for the damage they have done.

    Maybe there they can do some good – free labout making clothes for the troops and so on.

  • DarkStar

    I see Reasoned Mind is using a new username.

    Felch, you cleary have no idea what you’re talking about.

    “This law firm are well within the bounds of the law”

    Wrong, for a successful prosecution under the Copyright, Designs and Patents act they require proof of who the infringer is, not simply which IP address it may have been from. Simply sending letters to the bill payer is phishing.

    It’s an industry that deserves raping, when they start to show a modicum of respect for their customers then we may do the same for them.

  • 44cal

    @36 You’ve made my day…my guts hurt…please stop posting like this…I can’t take it anymore…I’ll die laughing because of you, I’ll be on your conscience for the rest of your life.. oh wait.

  • anon2

    #36. you are obviously as miss informed and as big a wanker as the other copyright trolls that visit this site. fu**ing moron!!

  • Loonytoad Quack

    @#36 – well guess what Captain Jackass, a huge number of the recipients are wrongly identified. Have fun when you receive your demand to pay a debt you don’t owe.

  • Cujo

    for every action is a reaction ,, folks are startin to counter sue and the big industies are going to get rolled big time ;)

    http://freakbits.com/church-and-hollywood-fight-over-2012-statue-copyright-0228?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Freakbits+%28freakbits.com%29

    time to fight back !! ;)

  • A literate poster

    @36

    What utter tosh.

    Your view might be different if you could only envisage the possibility of recieving such a letter yourself, even though you were absolutely certain that you were innocent.

    But then, learning is not compulsory – neither is survival.

  • Anonymous

    @36

    so i take it that u never d/l or u/l any copywrong material…

    tell that to the innocents that have never done anything wrong, and getting threatened into paying for something that they had never even had any knowledge of before the letter arrived.

    go on i dare you too, go to beingthreatened.com and tell them that they are guilty and should pay the fine.

    i hope you get a letter, and believe me your attitude would change a hell of a lot, so dont come here and start BS’ing here on something that you don’t have a F’ing clue about.

  • Felch

    Hey idiots: if you haven’t done anything wrong YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. You fight the accusation and claim damages if they are incurred by the false accusations.

    It’s amazing how out of many millions of true, correct and well targetted infringment notices there are a mere HANDFUL of wrongful accusations and yet this is what the piracy lobby jumps all over. Nice try – the ratio of rightful and correct infringment notices to incorrect notices is FAR, FAR better than almost any other area of law enforcment as far as rightful notices issued is concerned. Far better – better than any other area of jurisdiction anywhere in the worldas a matter of fact. this is well known – the practice will continue as it is demonstrably having an effect.

    This is really elementary stuff and that joke of a website you posted is pitiful in it’s justifications: it lists a number of wrongful notices, doesn’t list the approximate number of infringment notices sent out as the ratio would make their claims look really stupid. And to boot these are mere infringment notices which can and are fought in cases that they are wrongfully issued.

    The piracy lobby is not winning this particular battle and all the time the laws are being applied better and better.

  • DarkStar

    @ Felch

    Can you back up your claims please.

    “many millions of true, correct and well targetted infringment notices” I doubt even 1 million has been sent out worldwide.

    “the ratio of rightful and correct infringment notices to incorrect notices is FAR, FAR better than almost any other area of law enforcment as far as rightful notices issued is concerned. Far better – better than any other area of jurisdiction anywhere in the worldas a matter of fact. this is well known”

    Saying “this is well known” at the end of a ludicrous statement like that doesn’t make it true. Please post some stats to back up your claims.

    “The piracy lobby is not winning this particular battle and all the time the laws are being applied better and better.”

    Really? What laws are they and what battle isn’t the ‘pirate lobby’ (never heard of this, is it anything like the music/film industry lobbies that have the ear of so many corrupt American politicians?) winning exactly?

  • anonymousjudge

    If I get anymore of the file-sharing cases were the IP address of the accused is their key piece of evidence, I will be dismissing the case due to lack of evidence.

  • Loonytoad Quack

    @Felch

    “Hey idiots: if you haven’t done anything wrong YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. You fight the accusation and claim damages if they are incurred by the false accusations.”

    If only…

  • How Funny…

    Well it serves them right for being in bed with pr0n companies, tisk tisk…

    @ trolls

    I bet you fools never copied any vinyl to cassette or copied cassette to cassette in the 80′s or used a VHS recorder to record tv shows in the 90′s…

    Brain washed liars, each & every one of you… :0)

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  • A literate poster

    @ Felch: “Hey idiots” – Good start!

    Massively uninformed or deliberately blinkered?

    Please enlighten us all with some conclusive court cases to show how successful this process has been.

    Please enlighten us as to how many infringement notices have actually been fought, let alone won due to wrongful issue.

    Please enlighten us that you actually know what you’re talking about, as it isn’t obvious so far.

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  • Anonymous

    @37 Yes you are correct in that a proportion of those who received the letter are infringers. I guess we will never know the true figure though as some people pay up out of ignorance of the law, are frightened into paying up out of embarrassment over the title, etc.

    Then we have the poor artist (p@rn, musician, film maker, etc). Out of the claimed monies how much do they get?

    Check the leaked DL business model and you will find it’s a very small portion in relation to what the Solicitors is creaming off.

    This isn’t about a moral crusade against piracy, but about making as much money for the lawyers as possible, whilst spouting the message.

    As for the innocents, they are all casualties of war and acceptable, right?

  • Felch

    “Then we have the poor artist (p@rn, musician, film maker, etc). Out of the claimed monies how much do they get?”

    amazing how you use “the poor artist” idea in this case whilst your busily raping their chosen industry and not paying them a cent whilst stealing their work.

    So let me get this straight: you think it’s bad that people defending the artists work and right to be paid is wronging the artist because they are paying them a little bit (according to you – I wasnt aware that the artists were paid anything in this case) but of course you dont think stealing their work – when your doing it – is at all bad for the artist and the right to do so should be defended.

    The right to steal: that’s when you get the benefit of the artists work and son’t pay them a cent…

    And to think pirates are accusing me of being blinkered above – that’s rich it really is.

  • A literate poster

    @Felch – classic and absolute troll.

    No value in trying to engage, so I won’t bother.

  • Felch is and idiot

    Yes, Felch is an idiot.

  • 44cal

    I’m still laughing…

  • Mr Trolley

    mildly amusing but sadly obvious troll

  • Hickster

    Did not realise that Terence Tsang was now using the name “Felch” how appropriate.

    Anyway, these crims are on the run, the Video of which this article relates can be found on the Youtube Channel

    http://www.youtube.com/user/acsflaw1

  • Cordelia

    The difference is that in the USA, the people are ACTUALLY GETTING CONVICTED in the courts(like “Jammie” etc).

    In the UK, people simply receive the threatening letter, which is awkward, but not necessarily a problem. Those who take the right actions do not get sued. In fact, they have not yet successfully prosecuted anyone for filesharing who denied it.

    All you have to do is say have no knowledge, strongly deny the allegation. If you hear from them again, you may want to consider contacting a no-win-no-fee lawyer to sue them for harassment. Or just get a lawyer to write them a letter. But it shouldn’t even have to come to that.

    Better up; don’t expose your real IP address online, or when sharing. Problem solved. (Of course, this costs a few quid a month— not everybody wants to pay that.)

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  • Wang Kit

    Funny how they use the (false) logic that every download is a lost sale.

    It isn’t. There is no proof of this.

    I bet if the downloads all stopped suddenly tomorrow, these companies would not be suddenly richer and making more money.

    The fact is vast majority of downloaders would not ever pay for what they download anyway.

    Especially porn.

    Now who are the real wangkers…

  • Wang Kit

    By the way I will go further and say digital copies cost NOTHING and are worth NOTHING.

    A digital copy does not use any resources. It has no value because it is infinite in availability.

    Basic economics exists because items are scarce. Limited. Of value. Unlimited anything has no value. Digital copies have no value.

    By the logic of it costing money and sales, try this on for size.

    How about if I made 10,000,000,000 copies of this particular porno? Or any other digital software/film?

    WOW I JUST BANKRUPT THE COMPANY!!1 Just by using Copy and Paste!!1 I’m so evil criminal!

    Now to take down the government by copying and pasting something of theirs millions of times.

  • Jop

    If you have one of these ambulance chasing firms after you unjustly then recommend raising a complaint against them at:-

    http://www.legalcomplaints.org.uk/documents/complaints_form.pdf

  • Julie

    You can see which solicitors to stay clear of here…. http://www.solicitor.info/

    Some of the reviews are outrageous!

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  • Curveking

    If you get one of these letters you must act. It IS legal what they are doing.
    You must not pay them though as the fine is much greater than any court would fine.
    The best thing to do is write a Letter of Denial as after all the law says that you must have knowledge or given permission to the person that has used your connection to download illegally.
    The Letter is to the ISP bill payer and not necessarily the person that has broken the law.
    DO NOT GIVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU HAVE TO ! A SIMPLE DENIAL IS FINE.
    Let them prove you were at the computer when the crime was committed. Dont give them anything other than a denial !! even if you did do it.

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