Anti-Piracy Voice-Overs to Prevent CDs from Leaking
Written by Ernesto on January 12, 2008Recently, more and more CDs are being protected by voice-overs to prevent these albums from leaking to the public before the official release date. The voice-overs are pretty effective, but there is a downside, they start to annoy reviewers and even start to affect album ratings.
“WARNING: All songs on this promo CD are voice-over protected to avoid any piracy and illegal file uploading on the internet before the release date”
This is the message printed on the cover of protected CDs. Most filesharers are probably familiar with the “for your consideration” messages displayed in DVDscreeners, but similar messages on CDs are less known. The voice overs do their job, because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet. However, they also make it harder for the reviewers to do their job if the music fades out every other minute, and it’s starting to annoy them.
For example, take the review of Steve Lukather’s latest album on Komodo Rock, which was published earlier this week. Lukather is the guitarist from the well known band Toto, and his new album is set for release on February 22nd. The reviewer rated the album 2.2 out of 10, but not because it was a bad album. On the contrary: “What I’ve heard of this album is actually pretty damn good, very emotional, very mood driven, and had the potential to be a truly great album”, he writes.
So why the negative rating? The reviewer on Komodo Rock explains: “Well there’s no chocolate here, but what we have instead is a disembodied voice telling me what I already know, and destroying all the hard work Steve Lukather has put into this album. I’m all for protecting the rights of artists and labels, but this is not the way to do it, this is not a solution, this is a request to reviewers to ignore what their ears tell them and imagine what this album sounds like.”
We asked the reviewer about the prevalence of the voice-overs, and he told TorrentFreak: “The first track on the album is clear of all voice overs, so the first time this appears is at the 1:16 of track 2. It then repeats again at the 3 minute mark, and then one last time at 4:48. This track is 5:53 in length. This then continues throughout the album in this way, apart from track 8 which again is clear of all voice overs.”
The movie and the music industry are treating their own people as thieves now. Last week we reported about a 17 year Oscar screening veteran, who resigned because he had enough of being treated like a criminal. Similarly, the annoying voice-over anti-piracy messages are becoming a thorn in the side of music reviewers. Perhaps the entertainment industry should focus more on adapting to new technologies, and offering consumers some alternatives, instead of protecting their outdated business models.
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116 Responses
when will they learn….
they are just contributing to the demise of the movie and music “industry”
or at least the form we are familiar with…
Their business models aren’t outdated.
No business model incorporates people stealing in it.
And here’s a list of the people that give two shits about that pud reviewer:
.
Wow. No MENSA members in the music industry, are there? This is quite possibly the single dumbest thing they’ve done yet to combat piracy. Good luck with that, music industry. If only they knew that album sales are tanking because of untalented “artists” churning out slop year after year, and not internet “piracy”.
“Untalented artists”, huh?
You sure steal a lot from “untalented artists”.
[quote comment="260956"]Their business models aren’t outdated.
No business model incorporates people stealing in it.
And here’s a list of the people that give two shits about that pud reviewer:
.[/quote]
What are you talking about EVERY business model takes into account losses that occur from people stealing. The difference with the CD/DVD media is that you can make an exact duplicate of a video or software very easily. The old business model only took into account people copying CDs for only their friends. But nowadays with bittorrent you could distribute a million copies in a matter of hours. This is why its out dated…they don’t know how to deal with it
I had some voiceovers downloaded some time ago. I didn’t even listen to them. I simply deleted them as garbage.
can’t they just edit out the voice overs and post it anyway?
[quote comment="260978"]can’t they just edit out the voice overs and post it anyway?[/quote]
Yes, if you don’t mind missing parts of the song, happy leeching.
[quote comment="260974"] This is why its out dated…they don’t know how to deal with it[/quote]
They know exactly how to deal with it: ISP music fee.
Before you even turn on your computer, you’ll have paid the musicians for their work.
It’s going to happen, and there isn’t a goddamn thing you can do about it. :)
“…because of its inferior quality none of these albums is uploaded to the Internet.”
Is and its are singular. The sentence should use plural words. the correct sentence should read “…because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet.”
Not a Grammar Nazi, but small mistakes like these are everywhere, and drive me nuts.
yeah, i heard the voice-over thing on a cd lately. didnt like it at all :). oh well, they can do what they want, i guess… i can imagine why reviewers don’t like it.
[quote comment="260980"][quote comment="260978"]can’t they just edit out the voice overs and post it anyway?[/quote]
Yes, if you don’t mind missing parts of the song, happy leeching.[/quote]
He means deal with it properly. Setting a music tax at the ISP level is a dumb thing to do. RTFA if they get their way not only will the tax continue to rise like TF said but they’ll get lazy and stop putting out good music because they get paid all the same one way or the other. So they are going to take the easy route.
I’ll bet you dollars to dog doo doo that pre-release copies get loose long before the voice-over protection is applied. That’s cuz the guys inside the industry aren’t innocent.
@2: Every retail model allows for waste and theft. having worked in these industries a lot I would know. But the fact that they are unable to control the amount of theft makes their business model unsustainable and counterproductive to them, and largely irrelevant to many consumers.
That’s a bit of an antiquated voice-over, much of the time now they have a message with the reviewers name to make sure it is not uploaded, even in that condition.
[quote]No business model incorporates people stealing in it.[/quote]
Silly child, grow up and realize that “share” and “steal” are two different concepts. Different, that means not the same. Now it’s nap time for you!
[quote comment="260981"]
They know exactly how to deal with it: ISP music fee.
Before you even turn on your computer, you’ll have paid the musicians for their work.
It’s going to happen, and there isn’t a goddamn thing you can do about it. :)[/quote]
Wrong. There’s one thing I can do about it. I can inhabit reality.
ISP music fee? Go back to RIAA Fantasy Land, you futile idiot.
Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.
The bible is the most pervasive thing, it is written by corrupt men who sought to corrupt the mindsofmany and they have done a splendid job
I’m the savior you guysorgals have been looking for since ancient time
I’m a virgin, i am aloner, i am in touch with nature, and have done much to help everyone since my birth.
I know all, see all, hear all, and a perfectionist. I am never satisfied until perfect.
believing is seeing
I am here to offer my help to humanity who are on the path to destruction
I am the the solution to world peace
I will bring world peace through love, co-operation, and understanding of the world we live in.
Fucking disgusting. If they start putting these in commercial albums I’ll never buy a cd ever again.
[quote comment="261004"]“share” and “steal” are two different concepts. Different, that means not the same. [/quote]
Sure, just like you walk in a store, and everything on the shelves is there for you to take and share. lol.
I do know this, when the ISP fee takes effect, you’ll be “sharing” your money with me. :)
[quote comment="261006"][quote comment="260981"]
They know exactly how to deal with it: ISP music fee.
Before you even turn on your computer, you’ll have paid the musicians for their work.
It’s going to happen, and there isn’t a goddamn thing you can do about it. :)[/quote]
Wrong. There’s one thing I can do about it. I can inhabit reality.
ISP music fee? Go back to RIAA Fantasy Land, you futile idiot.[/quote]
(Clap, Clap, Clap.) Well said! :)
[quote comment="261006"]ISP music fee? Go back to RIAA Fantasy Land, you futile idiot.[/quote]
awww, poor widdle baby.
It’s already in the works loser, and there isn’t a goddamn thing you can do about it. All you thieves are about to become our bitch. Get ready to bend over, because a lot of money has been stolen these past few years.
[quote comment="261038"][quote comment="261004"]“share” and “steal” are two different concepts. Different, that means not the same. [/quote]
Sure, just like you walk in a store, and everything on the shelves is there for you to take and share. lol.
I do know this, when the ISP fee takes effect, you’ll be “sharing” your money with me. :)[/quote]
Are you that purple idiot or something?
ISP music fee, what a dickhead.
By that token, everyone can claim a fee from ISP’s just incase things they have get pirated.
ISP music fee idea is dead. Forget about it.
[quote comment="261050"]ISP music fee idea is dead. Forget about it.[/quote]
Being in denial isn’t going to change reality.
But I’m sure the pirate lobby will have people lining up to listen to their opinion. lol
I’m not in denial, the idea of paying a music fee has never been mentioned in my country.
Oh.. by the way, If i’m an author can I claim some money from ISP’s as well then?
And, i’ve dabled in music production too, so, how can I get my share of this money?
[quote comment="261038"]
Sure, just like you walk in a store, and everything on the shelves is there for you to take and share. lol.
I do know this, when the ISP fee takes effect, you’ll be “sharing” your money with me. :)[/quote]
Whatever you say… Everything on the store shelve is ‘matter’, whereas we share ‘data’ LOL
And when you wake up from your ISP fee dream, then you maybe realize that you already share your money with me and don’t even know it.
[quote comment="261055"][quote comment="261050"]ISP music fee idea is dead. Forget about it.[/quote]
Being in denial isn’t going to change reality.
But I’m sure the pirate lobby will have people lining up to listen to their opinion. lol[/quote]
LOL.. I wonder how this guy is.. Maybe he’s that old faggot, John Elton who thinks the internet should be shut down.
Or the Purple poof ?
Or maybe just some fat middle aged guy who goes to street hookers because his wife screws young guys behind his back.
Sure, just prove millions of dollars have been lost by authors of books.
If you can do that, maybe someone will listen.
But you can’t.
Whereas with music, you idiots have conveniently left the world a record of your theft these past few years.
But that’s coming in very handy right now, I must say. :)
Hey 26:
You have NPD. Look it up, Sparky; You’re officially mentally ill!
Anyway, Trolls aside.
As for this voice over thing, just means we wait for the official copy then rip that.
Oh.. did I say copy? Shit, the RIAA have been copying music CD’s all along ! Theives.
[quote comment="261009"]Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.[/quote]
that would be a hell of a way to make a point
and no there will not be a ISP music fee, if it ever did come to be ISP’s would go under because people would boycott them, but then ISP’s would ask government for help and then federal law would be every person must own a computer, must have internet, must pay the music fee, must install video survelance in their homes so the CIA could keep tabs on ya…….wow, not a far jump to a police state.
stop patronizing crap put out by big media companies. put your hate in its proper place and stop purchasing (and downloading) shit put out by them. unless you do that, they own you big time.
instead support the effort of independents (as long as they remain independent that is). it may not be as good (not yet) as big labels, but it will eventually catch up to the quality…
[quote]
I do know this, when the ISP fee takes effect, you’ll be “sharing” your money with me. :)[/quote]
how will we be able to “share” our money with you Mr. Anonymous?
[quote comment="261009"]Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.[/quote]
qfe <3
so what is the exact meesage that annoys when listening?
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
no matter what way you split it, even if the content was still better, it’d still be pirated. they must go with the flow or get overtaken by the current. too late!
Gagoola moolie balakounda, Mukalaka Ballahkoli moupie lalalalaloeka!
The voice over doesn’t stop people from leaking because they can just get an audio splitter and joiner
Hello American Infidels I am gonna KIll Uu all by using Bean Bureatos, hard tacos, and nacho cheese chip weapons.
Also you stupid American troops that invaded our tasty land which god has given to us, we will torture your troops by giving them an, all you can eat, taco buffet, oh yeah! I will stick it to Mr. Bush hahahahahahaha.
I am from Taco B….. Wait I mean a Undisclosed Location In Iraq in a cave somewhere.
I am eating sand tacos, and fried bean brains since it is super hot.
I am also snacking on Plenty of Gorditos so I will never be hunted down, hahahahahahaha.
Bye bye American Infidels, thanks for listening to an old fart like me.
[quote comment="260981"][quote comment="260974"] This is why its out dated…they don’t know how to deal with it[/quote]
They know exactly how to deal with it: ISP music fee.
Before you even turn on your computer, you’ll have paid the musicians for their work.
It’s going to happen, and there isn’t a goddamn thing you can do about it. :)[/quote]
Well all I can say is if they tax my internet for the music industry, the music industry best start piping some of their ‘tax’ money into the ISP’s. I sure know one thing, I’m going to download every last damn piece of music and share it so that I can get my monies worth. I haven’t heard one album in the last year that I’d pay a damn cent for.
[quote comment="261077"][quote comment="261009"]Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.[/quote]
that would be a hell of a way to make a point
and no there will not be a ISP music fee, if it ever did come to be ISP’s would go under because people would boycott them, but then ISP’s would ask government for help and then federal law would be every person must own a computer, must have internet, must pay the music fee, must install video survelance in their homes so the CIA could keep tabs on ya…….wow, not a far jump to a police state.[/quote]
Oh Man, the CIA will love to Spy on me, not because I am a terrorist Suspect, but because I am having steamy hot sex with my Mexican wife.
oh boy, just wait until the CIA Pedophiles send out sex tapes from terror suspects.
i just want to know why all these p2p haters are always on this site…
f*ckin mindless idiots… you leaving comments here is just as effective as this retarded act by the industry to stop piracy.
wow, are there really that many people from non-US countries here? No wonder you’re so angry. You live every day knowing that nobody cares what you think. You might as well be invisible, and that’s gotta suck.
[quote comment="261270"]wow, are there really that many people from non-US countries here? No wonder you’re so angry. You live every day knowing that nobody cares what you think. You might as well be invisible, and that’s gotta suck.[/quote]
Looking to start another country flame.
Don’t bother.
So when I don’t use any P2P, I still pay an ISP tax? Boy that will be a good plan since even more people will start sharing instead of buying (since they have already paid the tax so need to get their money’s worth).
Get used to voice overs, its the future. lol
[quote comment="261282"]Get used to voice overs, its the future. lol[/quote]
Doubt it.
Doesn’t effect me, don’t listen to modern crap anyway.
Can’t see how this can have any effect on piracy apart from scene releases. Once the retail versions out, it’ll be ripped and pasted for all.
By the way, i’m organizing a street party when the RIAA goes bust. EMI is leaving them high and dry including the IFPI turds.
Going to be posting the party on YouTube for the world to see and celebrate together.
[quote comment="260956"]Their business models aren’t outdated.
No business model incorporates people stealing in it.
And here’s a list of the people that give two shits about that pud reviewer:
.[/quote]
lol ur the dumb shit
read a book…. its been seen in history before nub
the market has to change not he ppl
[quote comment="260956"]Their business models aren’t outdated.
No business model incorporates people stealing in it.
And here’s a list of the people that give two shits about that pud reviewer:
.[/quote]
[quote comment="261297"][quote comment="260956"]Their business models aren’t outdated.
No business model incorporates people stealing in it.
And here’s a list of the people that give two shits about that pud reviewer:
.[/quote]
lol ur the dumb shit
read a book…. its been seen in history before nub
the market has to change not he ppl[/quote]
[quote comment="260992"]“…because of its inferior quality none of these albums is uploaded to the Internet.”
Is and its are singular. The sentence should use plural words. the correct sentence should read “…because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet.”
Not a Grammar Nazi, but small mistakes like these are everywhere, and drive me nuts.[/quote]
Sorry Berga but “none” always takes the singular as it’s a contraction of “not one.” Therefore one would say “None of these records is worth a damn.” The verb in this sentence is related to subject (None) not the object of the preposition (records). If you’re going to slam other people’s grammar, at least be correct.
Just to clarify, file sharing is NOT stealing, it is copyright infringement — a completely different crime. Theft deprives the owner of a piece of property. Infringement is the act of making an unauthorized duplicate of a copyrighted work, which leaves the original property untouched. The music industry would love to muddle the law to make the two acts the same, but under the law they are not. Both are illegal, but they are NOT the same.
‘The voice overs do their job, because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet.’
This is untrue. Recently Atrocity-Werk_80_II-Promo-2008-QTXMp3 had in the nfo: ‘With voiceovers, so feel free to rls the retailversion
if you have it.’ It’s not ‘never’, but ‘rarely’. Really, saying they are ‘never’ uploaded is quite silly, as _anything_ gets uploaded.
Also, I’d like to say that there are zines out there that do not allow voice-over promo’s to be reviewed. I hope every webzine, magazine, reviewblog, etc incorporates that rule too.
@45
Best point of the whole matter.
Whoever the that very content, anonymous fellow is who keeps claiming we’ll be sharing our money with him has no idea that we’ll all either start downloading much, much more just “to get our share’s worth” or because there will be a basic assumption that, since we paid the tax, we are entitled to all the free media goodies we like - video games, music, movies, software. Kids will tell their less tech savvy parents that it’s perfectly fine now, and the parents will believe them a lot of the time because of the new tax. All of those who were a’feared of your strong arm tactics will step out of the shadows and clog all the pipes with p2p.
Even if we did end up having to pay a small tax for service, I wouldn’t be so sure that you’ll get any of that money when the recording industry either a) feels a backlash for such a stupid, stubborn move and/or b) fires you because, well, frankly they won’t need you anymore with that lush new source of revenue.
The recording industry has proven time and time again that it is a blackhole for good ideas. If nothing you’ve done for the past 5 or 7 years has worked to stop or even SLOW these processes you disdain, what makes you so confident that a proposal, not even law, will be the end-all reversal to your misfortunes? I believe you’re counting the chickens before they hatch…and assuming (hoping? praying?) that they’ll be the mutant chickens with the superpowers necessary to quell the world wide beast.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Either way I’m not boasting about nothing like you
And another thing…if you really expect to see a dime of that tax, you’re probably a higher-level employee. And if you’re such, your anonymous trolling on torrentfreak only serves to highlight why many of us think none of you are doing a JOB worthy of any of the money we give you.
wouldn’t a ISP tax be the same thing as taxing a theft?
and if your paying for it through taxes then you aren’t really stealing. as you are paying for it through taxes, so its yours.
so technically if only one ISP gets this tax, the RIAA would have no viable way to determine if someone downloaded a song legally through P2P or illegally. (with encryption of course)
so wouldent this all make it HARDER for RIAA to sue customers or random people? since any lawyer with a brain could say that the songs were purchased through the accommodation made by the tax on the ISP.
that is, all pending that the taxation gives the right of download. if it does not, then you are technically paying for other people to download songs illegally and getting nothing yourself, which is more like you being taxed for literally nothing. which i’m almost positive that that alone would be a great class action suit.
let the RIAA tax our ISP’s, it wont last long and give pirates a much stronger defense against the lawsuits.
The tax thing can’t happen, how could this be calculated? How can you know what song was download, who to pay, and if it was one of the old copyrighted ones?
I’d have a guess that artist would also be against the tax, since most of it would be scraped off and taken by the greedy fat old middle men.
People will not stand for this tax, dumb idea and it just shows desperation on the RIAA’s side.
Simple answer, dissolve those old outdated organizations. Liberated the people and the artists.
Modern youth, Gen Y’s and Gen X’s are reinventing capitalism.
The movement will only grow once the old mothballed people die and retire from high positions.
as long as you people desire what the big media companies produces, they own you.
too bad people dont see that…
It’s worth noting that no major label nor the RIAA has proposed a flatrate system. Who has? One or more trolls on TorrentFreak, basically.
It’s not even close to inevitable — both sides of the copyfight have ample reason to hate the idea.
[quote comment="261331"]as long as you people desire what the big media companies produces, they own you.
too bad people dont see that…[/quote]
MiniMac just posted the most astute comment I’ve seen on this site in months.
Artistic preferences aside, it is true that ultimately the artists (and whoever they choose to align themselves with) hold the power. They can choose to not act when it comes to piracy, or put the hammer down. Whatever choice they make is going to be the one everyone has to live with if they want to listen to music.
[quote comment="261270"]wow, are there really that many people from non-US countries here? No wonder you’re so angry. You live every day knowing that nobody cares what you think. You might as well be invisible, and that’s gotta suck.[/quote]
LoL the way the US is going these days it will drop from power very soon ;)
[quote comment="260973"]“Untalented artists”, huh?
You sure steal a lot from “untalented artists”.[/quote]
you know how? fiery tonight arent we? little trolling on torrentfreak?
[quote comment="261010"]The bible is the most pervasive thing, it is written by corrupt men who sought to corrupt the mindsofmany and they have done a splendid job
I’m the savior you guysorgals have been looking for since ancient time
I’m a virgin, i am aloner, i am in touch with nature, and have done much to help everyone since my birth.
I know all, see all, hear all, and a perfectionist. I am never satisfied until perfect.
believing is seeing
I am here to offer my help to humanity who are on the path to destruction
I am the the solution to world peace
I will bring world peace through love, co-operation, and understanding of the world we live in.[/quote]
Perfection is an illusion. God is imperfect. You know why? Because we were created in his image.
I would think that the artists would be more offended by this then the reviewers. Think about it. What if some went through and painted a line through all of Da Vinci’s works?
David
Why not use DRM? Since the reviewer does not buy the material, but rather gets it for free for a review, I don’t see a problem with using DRM.
[quote comment="260992"]“…because of its inferior quality none of these albums is uploaded to the Internet.”
Is and its are singular. The sentence should use plural words. the correct sentence should read “…because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet.”
Not a Grammar Nazi, but small mistakes like these are everywhere, and drive me nuts.[/quote]
“None” is also singular. Therefore the sentence is correct as-is. “[A]lbums” is just an object of the preposition and therefore irrelevant with regards to antecedents and verbs.
ISP fee will never work, my employer, and most any business will not want to pay any fee to subsidize the music industry. The music companies will continue to fight a losing war with stupid self defeating tactics, such and this voice over thing, DRM, and suing their customers. I fight by not buying their products. I don’t download their stuff either. There are many sources for legitimate free music. Give them a chance, these folks understand their customers. Frankly I’m sick of government subsidies, corn, dairy, music.
[quote comment="261320"]
that is, all pending that the taxation gives the right of download. if it does not, then you are technically paying for other people to download songs illegally and getting nothing yourself, which is more like you being taxed for literally nothing. which i’m almost positive that that alone would be a great class action suit.[/quote]
Government schools work like that. My parents haven’t sent any of their children to the State for daycare but still pay property taxes. They steal from us and we get no benefit.
Hi, are you guys fine with all movies being made at the quality of cable TV or less? Actually, how about quality that will be more than likely far worse than cable TV. Cable movies are supported by advertising. However, online advertising is too small and spread too thinly to support anything other than student films, let alone $100 million Spielberg movies.
http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.com/2007/narrative_online_economics.asp?cat=3&media=4
With only $410 million (of the current $16 billion total for online ad revenue) going to online video sources, cable television by contrast generated over $130 billion in ad revenue in 2003! Yes, with figures like this we’re looking at 15-20 years of adjustment (at the minimum) for business conditions to be favorable for quality investments into entertainment.
So in other words, all of you “adapt or die” proponents are ignorant of the fact that you’re asking the entertainment industry to dive from 800 ft. into a thimble. And who will suffer first as a result of your pirate-populist views? The Talent. Talented people are generally smart people and they will look to other industries to make a living as $15K/year USD probably won’t cut it for them. This exodus of talent will result in a dramatic downshift in the quality and amount of movies, music and video games. And as a result, you pirates will have to resort to late night reading of economics books to entertain yourselves. No more TV, Games or Movies for you!
Yes, all of you are voting for the death of the Entertainment Industry. Intellectual property is dead and you killed it. Are you happy now? That’s ok, if you don’t like economics books you can watch Uwe Boll reruns 20 years from now. Without anything new being created, you’ll be that desperate as you’ll have watched most everything to death. The bottom of the barrel cometh. Amen.
Don’t be a member of the ignorant hordes. Take responsibility for your actions when it comes to illegal downloading and simply DON’T DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL CONTENT.
People have found ways to entertain and be entertained well before any of the media overlords came to be. I think that maybe the media industry, remember the companies that bring you “artists” like Britney Spears, may need to collapse before a new lean and hungry customer centric industry takes its place.
[quote comment="261463"]Hi, are you guys fine with all movies being made at the quality of cable TV or less? Actually, how about quality that will be more than likely far worse than cable TV. Cable movies are supported by advertising. However, online advertising is too small and spread too thinly to support anything other than student films, let alone $100 million Spielberg movies.
http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.com/2007/narrative_online_economics.asp?cat=3&media=4
With only $410 million (of the current $16 billion total for online ad revenue) going to online video sources, cable television by contrast generated over $130 billion in ad revenue in 2003! Yes, with figures like this we’re looking at 15-20 years of adjustment (at the minimum) for business conditions to be favorable for quality investments into entertainment.
So in other words, all of you “adapt or die” proponents are ignorant of the fact that you’re asking the entertainment industry to dive from 800 ft. into a thimble. And who will suffer first as a result of your pirate-populist views? The Talent. Talented people are generally smart people and they will look to other industries to make a living as $15K/year USD probably won’t cut it for them. This exodus of talent will result in a dramatic downshift in the quality and amount of movies, music and video games. And as a result, you pirates will have to resort to late night reading of economics books to entertain yourselves. No more TV, Games or Movies for you!
[/quote]
Ahem, I’ve worked in the music industry, I’ve worked in TV. I have even got plenty of friends and contacts that work at various levels on movies. The one thing that is pervasive, is that the majority of ‘the talent’ in these industries get paid peanuts anyway. People like the writers who are the actual creators and talent on TV shows on strike because oh, what a surprise, the industry doesn’t want to pay the artist for their work.
$100M movies are in no danger either, there are more of them being produced than ever. I also leave you with this little fact… In the last 10 years, the top 10 films alone, have brought in roughly $2.5B in US box office sales, per year (adjusted for inflation to 2007 dollars). Thats not counting DVDs, or overseas ticket sales; Just US box office sales.
Rhetoric and invective are great, but facts beat them every time.
*Slaps 69 with a Halibut*
Humans have been around over 10,000 years. Think about that. 10,000 years. All that time without modern media. In fact the modern media you uphold has probably only been around since the renaissance. Of course the average person hasn’t been able to pay for it until the last 200 or so. And the idea for big budget films came from someone who had an unstable mind(Howard Hughes). So death of the entertainment industry? Hardly.
All that can be said about this protection process is that it is another, in vain, attempt to protect the body of the recording labels from a business-model virus that has mutated to stages of complete resistance. The RIAA, SoundExchange, and all the other associate organizations of the ‘major labels’, who use settlement funds, and artist writing and performances royalties, to pay their wasteful, obstructionist, expenses, are just losing valuable time. The 40 year-old working Mom will buy a song she likes. Period. The computer-savvy 19 year old, in his first year of Computer Science college, will only pay if he/she feels the spirit. The labels ‘Must’ create the spirit, and it will never be created through the action of lawsuits.
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Awesome. The more this happens, the more the music industry DIES and the sooner it can be reborn.
why send CDs to reviewers when can use stream .
what I mean is they can make a program to play and create they own format music file and ask the reviewers play it online . this way neither can save or copy .
I remember when they put gawd awful sounds in mp3’s to ruin them for downloaders… all this did was make me dislike the song. It’s like a first impression, once you hear the interrupt a few times, you are reminded of it later in the clean version of the song. It ruins it.
To: This is your Conscious Speaking
I will have a conscious toward a faceless greedy mega-corporation when they develop a conscious of their own, which would be never.
You see I also incorporated myself, so my corporation is responsible for all my sins and mistakes and law breaking. I figure it’s only fair.
” They know exactly how to deal with it: ISP music fee.
Before you even turn on your computer, you’ll have paid the musicians for their work.”
This is a very practical solution.
But, does the RIAA want a practical solution? I didn’t think they wanted one of those, I thought they wanted their goons and thugs to be able to go around suing people at will.
some lonely mothers basement dwelling retard really has a hard on for the isp music fee huh?
ISP music fee huh?
lol, Good thing my neighbors “share” their Wifi with me.
Yeah, there are still a few people left that haven’t realized that you’re supposed to password protect your router. Not as many as there used to be though, people are getting wise.
#4 may be trolling, but still has a good point with, “You sure steal a lot from ‘untalented’ artists.”
I’ve been saying for awhile that as long as we’re listening to mainstream record industry music, we’re promoting and empowering these corporations that are not only anti-sharing, but completely unnecessary for the production of good music.
Some links to alternatives, check em out (I have nothing to do with any of these sites, they just look like good starting points):
gratisvibes.com/ - music blog
freealbums.blogsome.com/ - music blog
real-crew.com/n2/ - netlabel board, lots of releases posted by genre
netlabels.org/ - index of netlabels that release free music online
…and don’t forget Mininova’s “featured torrents” section, with quite a lot of music on it.
Netlabels are mostly electronic music at the moment, but not entirely (in particular those first two blogs often highlight rock/pop music). To grow, they need your support. Don’t keep swallowing RIAA/IFPI crap (paid or not)… support alternatives!
@65 why not using DRM?Good question.
Here my answer: if you buy something with DRM, the work you own is only usable with one technical device.
And this is a great problem for me.
If i buy a Beatles song, and pay the rights, i do not want to pay again for copyrights, if i want to hear it on a different device. Sorry, this is my way of life and understanding of law and technical details.
so someone actually believes that somehow making people buy their music before they even listen to it is a solid plan? what about those who don’t download pirated material? are people who download through itunes and other legal services going to be forced to pay for their music twice? i don’t see how this plan could be implemented without pissing off alot of legal downloaders (and of course, pirates).
[quote comment="261009"]Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.[/quote]
Lol, fuck yeah :)
[quote comment="261459"][quote comment="260992"]“…because of its inferior quality none of these albums is uploaded to the Internet.”
Is and its are singular. The sentence should use plural words. the correct sentence should read “…because of their inferior quality none of these albums are uploaded to the Internet.”
Not a Grammar Nazi, but small mistakes like these are everywhere, and drive me nuts.[/quote]
“None” is also singular. Therefore the sentence is correct as-is. “[A]lbums” is just an object of the preposition and therefore irrelevant with regards to antecedents and verbs.[/quote]
None is singular?!?
Wow, my memory must be failing.
Can you name three - no, two grammatically correct sentences using “none” as a singular word?
All my come up as plural;
“None of the kids like broccoli.”
“None of the planets are small.”
“None of the m&m’s are red.”
@69 by This is your Conscious Speaking
Wow, why do you think, we are here all criminals? I am not. P2P is not a crimal tool.
To the discsuccion “none”.
In British English, most plural. In some cases singular. I do not know American, but some people say, it is quite similar to English. Does is help you?
I think it is not fair for the artists that after their work and the effort they spent their CDs leak to the public before the official release day. I am with the “Anti-Piracy”
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People talk about how much money the music industry has “lost” due to file sharing. I, however, think there’s a distinct difference between “losing” money and simply not making money.
I highly doubt that every person who has illegally downloaded songs would have actually gone out and purchased every single song/album they downloaded had they NOT had an opportunity to obtain them for free. Sure, they may have purchased SOME of those songs or albums, but I don’t think you can just look at the “face value” of what’s been downloaded to determine how much money the music industry has “lost.” I’m not justifying illegal downloading, I’m just saying this whole concept of “lost” money when no one knows how much people actually would have spent on the music seems a bit theatrical to me. Can anyone prove ANY many has been “lost,” for that matter?
Hypothetically speaking, let’s say I would never buy a Jessica SImpson album, but I come across one on a file sharing site and decide to download it for free. How has the industry “lost” money on something I was never going to buy in the first place? While I might not be entitled to that data because I haven’t paid for it, the music industry can’t claim to be out any cash.
I would venture a guess that a whole lot of illegally downloaded music falls into this category.
Thoughts?
Just to clarify, I think the issue of whether those who have illegally downloaded music actually owe the music industry money is another question entirely . . .
[quote comment="261775"] i don’t see how this plan could be implemented without pissing off alot of legal downloaders (and of course, pirates).[/quote]
Legal downloaders will now download music for free, as much as they want. Downloads are reported and the money collected is distributed accordingly. It is similar to radio: radio stations play music as much as they want by paying monthly fees. They report their playlists and artists are paid accordingly. It’s the same model.
Yes, pirates will be pissed off. But nobody gives two shits what they think. They don’t matter anymore.
pirates are a dying breed. :)
And they think that that will stop us from still uploading those too? Fuck them, we have sections just for those lame ass releases on our sites as well as the retail rips. The anti-piracy groups are the REAL pirates. WE JUST PIRATE FROM PIRATES.
[quote comment="261860"]pirates are a dying breed. :)[/quote]
Yeah right
1. To rate an album poorly because of the voice overs is retarded
2. ISP music fee will never happen
3. This is the latest of many lame, failed attempts to stop piracy.
I don’t see what everyone is so worked up about.
So, if a “music tax” is enacted, who gets the money?
The record companies. Not the artists.
Would they divvy up the money equally between each band? What if one artist had 20 million copies of their song downloaded and one artist had 2 copies downloaded?
Do they get equal shares? Is the music industry going to count how many downloads of each song are shared and split it accordingly?
Or just keep the money for themselves and fuck the artists over yet again?
Pirates aren’t the ones ripping off the artists, it’s the record companies that pay them $.10 for each $18.99 CD sold.
THOSE are the thieves.
[quote comment="261063"]Sure, just prove millions of dollars have been lost by authors of books.
If you can do that, maybe someone will listen.
But you can’t.
Whereas with music, you idiots have conveniently left the world a record of your theft these past few years.
But that’s coming in very handy right now, I must say. :)[/quote]
Record sales are up retard. We are just the forefront of the fed up consumers. If they would adjust their business plan to fulfill the market’s needs/demands then this wouldn’t be a problem. But they don’t. They release low quality music from low quality artists at high prices. They are fighting a losing battle. One group of stubborn idiots cannot take a world wide market…they are in denial, not use my friend.
[quote comment="261063"]Sure, just prove millions of dollars have been lost by authors of books.
If you can do that, maybe someone will listen.
But you can’t.
Whereas with music, you idiots have conveniently left the world a record of your theft these past few years.
But that’s coming in very handy right now, I must say. :)[/quote]
Record sales are up retard. We are just the forefront of the fed up consumers. If they would adjust their business plan to fulfill the market’s needs/demands then this wouldn’t be a problem. But they don’t. They release low quality music from low quality artists at high prices. They are fighting a losing battle. One group of stubborn idiots cannot take a world wide market…they are in denial, not use my friend.
Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem?
If someone has a hit and gets downloaded millions of times, they’re paid accordingly, whether they’re on a label or not.
[quote comment="261935"]So, if a “music tax” is enacted, who gets the money?
The record companies. Not the artists.
Would they divvy up the money equally between each band? What if one artist had 20 million copies of their song downloaded and one artist had 2 copies downloaded?
Do they get equal shares? Is the music industry going to count how many downloads of each song are shared and split it accordingly?
Or just keep the money for themselves and fuck the artists over yet again?
Pirates aren’t the ones ripping off the artists, it’s the record companies that pay them $.10 for each $18.99 CD sold.
THOSE are the thieves.[/quote]
the ones to blame for this whole mess are the consumers. it seems all you are the consumers of riaa crap (hence the complains).
they got you by the balls, you all know it. they screw you up because you idiots dont make THE RIGHT choices. you give them power by GIVING THEM MONEY. foools..
they will screw you up bcos they know you looovvee and waaannt the crap they put out. your desires are your undoing.
some posted very insightful info (like post #57), unfortunately people keep debating nonsense lol.
the ones to blame for this whole mess are the consumers. it seems all you are the consumers of riaa crap (hence the complains).
they got you by the balls, you all know it. they screw you up because you idiots dont make THE RIGHT choices. you give them power by GIVING THEM MONEY. foools..
they will screw you up bcos they know you looovvee and waaannt the crap they put out. your desires are your undoing.
some posted very insightful info (like post #57), unfortunately people keep debating nonsense lol.
‘Are’ just sounds better to me.
I mean we are talking about more than one album right? Albums is just does not make since. The only way to make is work, is to make the sentence singular. Like “Because it is of inferior quality the album is not uploaded to the internet.” When talking of several albums “Because they are of inferior quality the albums are not uploaded to the internet.” And that is that. Grammar placed aside. If it sounds natural then it is correct.
[quote comment="261893"][quote comment="261860"]pirates are a dying breed. :)[/quote]
Yeah right[/quote}]
I second that
[quote comment="261966"]
Record sales are up retard. We are just the forefront of the fed up consumers. If they would adjust their business plan to fulfill the market’s needs/demands then this wouldn’t be a problem. But they don’t. They release low quality music from low quality artists at high prices. They are fighting a losing battle. One group of stubborn idiots cannot take a world wide market…they are in denial, not use my friend.[/quote]
why would they adjust their business plan, they have no reason to. even if they do, its always for their benefit. its a business they are running not charity.
if they release low quality music at high prices, its because people buy them. blame the consumers idiocy.
its the consumers who are losing the battle. buying what they dont need (at high pricess), wanting the lastest, never satisfied with what they have, consumerism at its best..
[quote comment="261270"]wow, are there really that many people from non-US countries here? No wonder you’re so angry. You live every day knowing that nobody cares what you think. You might as well be invisible, and that’s gotta suck.[/quote]
mate, what is wrong with you?? you embody the zenophobic idiotic american stereotype, an association most people wouldn’t want.
i don’t even know where to begin to flame that bullshit comment!
you are pretty stupid though thinkning there’ll be an isp tax:
1. what about pirated games, software, books…
2. who gets the money, what artists companies…
3. what about people who don’t file share?
go back to your small minded redneck facist world and stop spamming these posts!
“you give them power by GIVING THEM MONEY. foools..”
Well, I’m not down with the name calling, but your message is accurate. If we ALL stopped buying, the RIAA would have no more funding (eventually), and the lawsuits would stop.
When the RIAA filed the first round of lawsuits a few years back, I made the conscious choice to stop supporting an industry that sues its own customers.
I stopped downloading, and I stopped buying, as well. Music just isn’t a part of my life anymore.
In good conscience, could I support an industry that sues its own customers? Absolutely not. How could anyone?
It’d be funny to explain it to them- A bunch of goons and thugs dressed up in suits. “No, don’t sue your own customers! You’ll kill the business?”
“What? ME get MONEY!!! GIMMEE!!!”
“ME SAID!!!”
If I were a primary stockholder in one of the main record labels, I would tell my goons to call off the RIAA goons. (They’re all bufu buddies.)
“Every time the RIAA files a round of lawsuits, I will round up the board members, and we will fire ten of you executives.”
“Wha? Huh?”
You’d have to fire 50 mouthbreathers in suits before the rest would even understand what was going on.
Someone has to grab the wheel and make it stop, and then the record companies need to do a massive warm and fuzzy PR campaign to save their business, and even then, it’ll take years to do that.
There may be some stockholders who get that, but it’s probably too confusing for the people on the inside to be able to understand.
108th
They’re not suing their customers.
They’re suing people that are stealing from them.
What kind of idiot is unable to grasp that distinction?
[quote comment="262572"]They’re not suing their customers.
They’re suing people that are stealing from them.
What kind of idiot is unable to grasp that distinction?[/quote]
nobody is stealing anythink el idiotto. they just share it. What, it’s copyrightet? we don’t give a shit about any copyrights or trademarks ha ha ha.
[quote comment="261370"]
Perfection is an illusion. God is imperfect. You know why? Because we were created in his image.[/quote]
Well, even if God was perfect, the Bible was written by men, so anything in there is imperfect. Not to mention, all of those ultra-conservatist Christians that won’t change their views period are going to Hell anyway. They think they’re perfect (like God) and that pride (albeit slightly indirect but none the less prevalent) is going to send them to the same level of lucifer. I’m glad the big business leaders are going to a worse place than us “pirates”/”thieves”/whatever else they want to call us!
And that tax won’t work, if someone doesn’t illegally download, they’d get taxed as well for the easiest way for it to work, and no one wants to get taxed for no reason. So either they sue for taxing for no reason, or they start downloading with p2p and soon enough everyone will be getting their moneys worth and the music industry will lose more money. It’s a never ending cycle of increase taxes and lose more money until no one can pay, and thus revolution.
On topic though, to decrease movie priating too, they should add in voice overs in the actual movie as well, then there won’t be any screeners or bootleged movies at all because of the poor quality. You know, every few minutes a voice over tells us not to pirate. Sounds great! /sarcasm
Anyone remember the “My Love” leak?
“Atlantic Records, for T.I. Clearance”
Good times…
Refund please!
@109 by anonimo
Hi, anonimo, where do you live?
What about someone is stealing from you some money, and telling you, be not upset - is quite rigth, because you have made the thing possible to happen, and you have some money to eat, so be quiet?
Copyrights and trademark are not so bad, and i do not want to ignore them. If you are a man of some mental work, you know, what about i am speaking.
The problem is, that the music industry will have a lot of money, and they see, they cannot get what they want. Why? They have not realized, that we do not need them at the same level anymore where they were for some years.
In some countries peolpe think, success is equal to money. So, the other side must be true, anyway.
As more money i have the more succes i have.
Wrong. Jung people do not listen what is expensive, but what is fine for their taste. And, if they will have money, they will buy original, because originals have their values.
[quote comment="261010"]The bible is the most pervasive thing, it is written by corrupt men who sought to corrupt the mindsofmany and they have done a splendid job
I’m the savior you guysorgals have been looking for since ancient time
I’m a virgin, i am aloner, i am in touch with nature, and have done much to help everyone since my birth.
I know all, see all, hear all, and a perfectionist. I am never satisfied until perfect.
believing is seeing
I am here to offer my help to humanity who are on the path to destruction
I am the the solution to world peace
I will bring world peace through love, co-operation, and understanding of the world we live in.[/quote]
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
[quote comment="261009"]Who cares.. Just wait for the official release and rip it then.
Someone should steal the original recordings of an album one day so the recording industry has no COPY of it anymore. Then they may realize the difference between stealing and copying.[/quote]
Oh how I chuckled when I read that.
[quote comment="261151"]The voice over doesn’t stop people from leaking because they can just get an audio splitter and joiner[/quote]
Not if it fades in and out to voiceover.
So far I haven’t had any review copies with voiceovers, although I guess most of what I’ve reviewed recently have been from indie bands. What I found much more annoying was two CDs I reviewed in the fall of 2005 (Disturbed’s 10000 Fists and whatever cd Trapt released around then) that wouldn’t play on a PC. They had been written so as to make anything capable of reading a data track think that all of the CD’s tracks were data. Apparently, plain ol’ stereos without support for MP3 discs and such would read it just fine, ignoring header data… but I didn’t own any of those. In the end, I had to torrent advances from people who’d managed to rip them to be able to review them.
[quote comment="261837"][quote comment="261775"] i don’t see how this plan could be implemented without pissing off alot of legal downloaders (and of course, pirates).[/quote]
Legal downloaders will now download music for free, as much as they want. Downloads are reported and the money collected is distributed accordingly. It is similar to radio: radio stations play music as much as they want by paying monthly fees. They report their playlists and artists are paid accordingly. It’s the same model.
Yes, pirates will be pissed off. But nobody gives two shits what they think. They don’t matter anymore.[/quote]
and how do you plan to report downloads? you can’t trace every individual that receives a complete mp3 file over p2p sharing. If somehow a way is found, torrents will just go underground.
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