Did you already tried Jamendo or magnatune?
http://www.jamendo.com/en/
http://magnatune.com/

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4904885/We_re_All_The_Pirate_Bay_RAP_REMIX

YES… they finally understand it… just let us pay a certain amount every month through our ISP’s so we can download our stuff!!!

the bands have dedicated fans and avid supporters.
i understand what it means to split what money is made touring. not much is there in the end, because after all, it costs alot to put those things together.

there is a threshold at which point a band hopefully pays its touring debts off and you make a band profit. and then the profit is split amongst members. in most cases, this doesn’t leave much of a personal budget to live from.

i’m not concerned about getting rich here, but it seems like there should be a little more where there isn’t much.

would you do your job for free? just find a second job to cover it?

The way forward IMO, is to have every artist set up their own webpage, and also open a Paypal account and have links for it on their page. This way, payments can be made directly the artist, into an account they can personally control and monitor.

As well as this, an iTunes like model and physical copies need to exist. There can be a place for the middleman in all this, if they argee to not exploit artists income etc.

Perhaps some of us should write to FAC, and create some dialogue and suggest ideas to fix this problem for the better.

So how do you gain new fans? As a small time musician you get very little to no radio air time, you don’t tour etc… If you embrace the filesharing culture and use it as a marketing tool then you might get enough fans to make it worthwhile to go on tour – and actually make enough money to live on until you tour again! If not – maybe it is time you stopped trying to be a musician?

we have to have regular jobs.

the large majority of employers aren’t cool with you leaving for a two month tour (which is where music money is) while being allowed to keep the job when you return.

so, as a musician, the choice is this: “do i tour, lose the job, look for new work when i get home, and then do it again in a few months? AND, do i continue this lifestyle until i’ve eventually destroyed consistent work history and can’t get a decent-paying job because of it? where does this leave me in 20 years?”… OR “do i stop touring so i can actually continue taking care of myself?”

a musician’s lifestyle isn’t completely about you, the consumer. donations won’t add up enough to take care of most lesser known 4 or 5 member bands that account for the overwhelming majority of music.

these are issues at hand which generally are not considered by consumers. what’s more?- most of you could care less. you can’t donate to every band you like, right? you can’t just give all you money away! that would be a bad decision, obviously.

a musician saves from a regular job to buy expensive equipment and save for tour necessity after leaving livlihood in the form of a job behind… oh, wait… the music’s free! it’s like small musicians ARE actually giving their money away… well, unless you’re playing bland crap that has mass appeal.

we all know mainstream=mass appeal=bland crap, right? for any business.

headache.

http://akf4ever.com/

We need NAPSTER, with a fee, without DRM, without limits, for $9.99 per month. End of story, put a fork in every other idea. Indy bands could sign up and earn a % of total income from this NAPSTER based off % of their songs that were downloaded.

Also in Canada, you pay a tarrif for all blank media and recording device because when the first recorders came out, the music industry tried to first ban them, then forced the coutry to change the laws so that the musicians got a share of money for every blank tape (now CD’s DVD’s, MP3′s etc) regardless of what the blank media or recorder was used for because they convinced the government that anyone that used blank media was just for copying their music illegally….hence why we have laws that allow us to share…not a legal expert, but it is working pretty nicely….too bad most of the for pay services from the US block Canadian IP’s so we have to go to free services to watch TV shows….unless you TIVO it…

in french, sorry

0.99€ song -> 0.29 for itunes & 0.70 for label

artist gets 0.09 from label

Now i think you understand why those mafia boys don’t want to get their income cut to 0 by challengers or even self-distribution.

You don’t – if the TV is not connected to an aerial, tuned in or connected to a set top box. It’s perfectly legit to connect it to a games console / DVD player etc without a licence.

Same for if you use a DVB-T/S receiver with your hi-fi for digital radio.

The next requests from the entertainment industry would then have to be for the direct interference in all citizen-to-citizen communication on the Internet and a severe restriction on the use of encryption. In a country like the United States, this is doomed to failure, with such communication being constitutionally protected. In a country like the UK, it’s not so cut and dried. There isn’t the absolute legal protection, but such a gross invasion and restriction of free speech would be about as popular as politicians’ second home allowances. Free speech is protected at the European Union level and it would be hoped that the EU would ensure that all those resident in a Union country remain protected. There are countries with repressive regimes, such as Burma, where encryption is effectively outlawed. That leaves countries in the middle, such as Australia, where the government has had grand designs for heavy technical regulation of the Internet, but isn’t 100% certain about it all.

If artists spent as much time managing their affairs as they do in rehab they’d realise that there has never been a better time for cutting out the middle man and dealing direct with the public.

All the focus though seems to be about recreating the pre-internet environment and is more self-delusion than good business principle.

- Distributor gets 5.18€ (39%)
(Wallmart, Amazon, Supermarket…)
- Label gets 3.82€ (29%)
(OMGZ DEY TAKE OUR JOBS!)
- Producer gets 2.59€ (19%)
(OMGZ MY SWIMMING POOL MADE OF GOLD)
- Singer/Band gets 1.17€ (9%)

- Author gets 0.29€ (2%)

- Composer gets 0.29€ (2%)

So, you see who gets the big money.

brb; signing up

The Model May Change but The MAdness Will Remain……..

http://akf4ever.com/

heres the truth
ART is created as a mental process of an artist that he/she/IT wishes ot be shared

that they get compensation is and should not be the motivation.

It cheapens what and why you do it and the wrong ideas come forth.

In what century will we learn that art and entertainment should be free? PERIOD. Whats happening now is the ultimate drain on the last vestiges of the capitalism extreme of the USA and look at how well they are dealing with it? No one in the next two life times can enjoy ANYTHING MADE FREELY, without extreme costs involved.

Lessen innovation, lessons creativity.

AND THE SIGN SAID EVERBODY WELCOME COME IN NEAL DOWN AN PRAY
but when they passed around a plate at the end of it all , i didnt have a penny to pay….
So i got me pen and papaer and made up my own little sign
I said thank you lord for thinking bout me
im alive and doing fine

Sign sign every where a sign barking up the scenery, breaking my mind , do this dont do that ,can’t you read the sign.

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