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	<title>Comments on: As ISPs Mull Pact To Fight AFACT, Pirate Party Condemns &#8216;Extortion&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: surrounded by morons</title>
		<link>/as-isps-mull-pact-to-fight-afact-pirate-party-condemns-extortion-110713/#comment-815930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[surrounded by morons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this internet censoring/blocking/seizing is due to the fact that criminal offenses have yet to be proven consistently, so the MAFIAA is trying to &#039;go upstream&#039; and dam the river of knowledge...  This way, all of a sudden, they need not prove anything or have any trials... sad day that this BULLSHIIIIIT has been allowed... fuuck the world!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this internet censoring/blocking/seizing is due to the fact that criminal offenses have yet to be proven consistently, so the MAFIAA is trying to &#8216;go upstream&#8217; and dam the river of knowledge&#8230;  This way, all of a sudden, they need not prove anything or have any trials&#8230; sad day that this BULLSHIIIIIT has been allowed&#8230; fuuck the world!</p>
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		<title>By: surrounded by morons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[surrounded by morons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this internet censoring/blocking/seizing is due to the fact that criminal offenses have yet to be proven consistently, so the MAFIAA is trying to &#039;go upstream&#039; and dam the river of knowledge...  This way, all of a sudden, they need not prove anything or have any trials... sad day that this BULLSHIIIIIT has been allowed... fuuck the world!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this internet censoring/blocking/seizing is due to the fact that criminal offenses have yet to be proven consistently, so the MAFIAA is trying to &#8216;go upstream&#8217; and dam the river of knowledge&#8230;  This way, all of a sudden, they need not prove anything or have any trials&#8230; sad day that this BULLSHIIIIIT has been allowed&#8230; fuuck the world!</p>
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		<title>By: surrounded by morons</title>
		<link>/as-isps-mull-pact-to-fight-afact-pirate-party-condemns-extortion-110713/#comment-815928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[surrounded by morons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could you be more obvious?  And wrong? The answer to both is no..  Sell your propaganda elsewhere..   No one except crooked politicians and corporate buffoons believer your nonsense..

Also, you smell of buttsecks..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you be more obvious?  And wrong? The answer to both is no..  Sell your propaganda elsewhere..   No one except crooked politicians and corporate buffoons believer your nonsense..</p>
<p>Also, you smell of buttsecks..</p>
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		<title>By: surrounded by morons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[surrounded by morons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CLEARLY extortion!!! Open a dictionary you mindless schill... and stop defending the enemy... idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLEARLY extortion!!! Open a dictionary you mindless schill&#8230; and stop defending the enemy&#8230; idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenygozer</title>
		<link>/as-isps-mull-pact-to-fight-afact-pirate-party-condemns-extortion-110713/#comment-815405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teenygozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, you did miss the point:

Internet &amp; Phone:

1. Carrier&#039;s job is to provide a service that can be used for ill or for good by the people it serves, and I&#039;m not arguing about which file-sharing is because that&#039;s not the point I choose to make.
2. Carrier is suddenly responsible and accountable for the services it brings to the market it serves because, according to the Anon I was replying to, that&#039;s &quot;common sense.&quot;
3. The only way to be responsible and accountable for the service the carrier provides to the market is by invading the privacy of the people it serves.  incidentally, the carrier is expected to take on all additional costs of this task of invading the people it serves&#039; privacy (which cost it will pass on to the people it serves.)
4. Common sense is apparently not as common as we&#039;d hoped, because that doesn&#039;t make sense, and Anon is a jerk.

I know not everyone gets sarcasm, but I was being sarcastic to make my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you did miss the point:</p>
<p>Internet &amp; Phone:</p>
<p>1. Carrier&#8217;s job is to provide a service that can be used for ill or for good by the people it serves, and I&#8217;m not arguing about which file-sharing is because that&#8217;s not the point I choose to make.<br />
2. Carrier is suddenly responsible and accountable for the services it brings to the market it serves because, according to the Anon I was replying to, that&#8217;s &#8220;common sense.&#8221;<br />
3. The only way to be responsible and accountable for the service the carrier provides to the market is by invading the privacy of the people it serves.  incidentally, the carrier is expected to take on all additional costs of this task of invading the people it serves&#8217; privacy (which cost it will pass on to the people it serves.)<br />
4. Common sense is apparently not as common as we&#8217;d hoped, because that doesn&#8217;t make sense, and Anon is a jerk.</p>
<p>I know not everyone gets sarcasm, but I was being sarcastic to make my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenygozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teenygozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, you did miss the point:

Internet &amp; Phone:

1. Carrier&#039;s job is to provide a service that can be used for ill or for good by the people it serves, and I&#039;m not arguing about which file-sharing is because that&#039;s not the point I choose to make.
2. Carrier is suddenly responsible and accountable for the services it brings to the market it serves because, according to the Anon I was replying to, that&#039;s &quot;common sense.&quot;
3. The only way to be responsible and accountable for the service the carrier provides to the market is by invading the privacy of the people it serves.  incidentally, the carrier is expected to take on all additional costs of this task of invading the people it serves&#039; privacy (which cost it will pass on to the people it serves.)
4. Common sense is apparently not as common as we&#039;d hoped, because that doesn&#039;t make sense, and Anon is a jerk.

I know not everyone gets sarcasm, but I was being sarcastic to make my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you did miss the point:</p>
<p>Internet &amp; Phone:</p>
<p>1. Carrier&#8217;s job is to provide a service that can be used for ill or for good by the people it serves, and I&#8217;m not arguing about which file-sharing is because that&#8217;s not the point I choose to make.<br />
2. Carrier is suddenly responsible and accountable for the services it brings to the market it serves because, according to the Anon I was replying to, that&#8217;s &#8220;common sense.&#8221;<br />
3. The only way to be responsible and accountable for the service the carrier provides to the market is by invading the privacy of the people it serves.  incidentally, the carrier is expected to take on all additional costs of this task of invading the people it serves&#8217; privacy (which cost it will pass on to the people it serves.)<br />
4. Common sense is apparently not as common as we&#8217;d hoped, because that doesn&#8217;t make sense, and Anon is a jerk.</p>
<p>I know not everyone gets sarcasm, but I was being sarcastic to make my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the dog ate your fuckin&#039; homework.  Take some responsibility instead of hiding behind conspiracy theories.

If the Australian Sex Party (yeah, they&#039;re real and they kick arse) could register, PPAU could have.  It was very poor organisation, not some covert operation by the black hats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the dog ate your fuckin&#8217; homework.  Take some responsibility instead of hiding behind conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>If the Australian Sex Party (yeah, they&#8217;re real and they kick arse) could register, PPAU could have.  It was very poor organisation, not some covert operation by the black hats.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David W. Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clowns are welcome to join, however we prefer people who would like to work towards our goals instead of just entertain us with their jovial antics, if you are motivated enough to make a difference, come and visit one of our meetings or jump on IRC and have a chat with our members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clowns are welcome to join, however we prefer people who would like to work towards our goals instead of just entertain us with their jovial antics, if you are motivated enough to make a difference, come and visit one of our meetings or jump on IRC and have a chat with our members.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David W. Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They did not forget to register, They handed in the correct forms at the appropriate time and some were &quot;Lost&quot;, we are still fighting that battle, you can fill in the blanks as to who lost them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did not forget to register, They handed in the correct forms at the appropriate time and some were &#8220;Lost&#8221;, we are still fighting that battle, you can fill in the blanks as to who lost them.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Richard Gailey - what can they do?  Well, for starters, they can sue, just like they did with iiNet.  This &quot;attempt&quot; at collaboration can then be used as evidence that they &quot;tried&quot; to come to a &quot;reasonable&quot; solution, and the ISP&#039;s &quot;refused to co-operate&quot;...  Tie that in with a few of hte more ambigous (and minor) aspects of the last iiNet appeal, and they might just get something out of it. 

It&#039;s disgusting, but not unexpected.  The whole timing of this is the key part though.  Rather than let the courtcase run to its conclusion, they are baiting the trap so this can be used as evidence.

Mark my words - when AFACT and iiNet go back to the courts at the end of the year (I think), this &quot;genuine attempt at conciliation&quot; will rear its ugly head.

And hopefully blow up in their faces like every other &quot;genuine attempt&quot; they&#039;ve tried to force on people so far.

The cynic in me thinks this is purely for that purpose, nothing more.  Its merely an evidence plant to try and con the judges into believing they have the moral high ground on the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard Gailey &#8211; what can they do?  Well, for starters, they can sue, just like they did with iiNet.  This &#8220;attempt&#8221; at collaboration can then be used as evidence that they &#8220;tried&#8221; to come to a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; solution, and the ISP&#8217;s &#8220;refused to co-operate&#8221;&#8230;  Tie that in with a few of hte more ambigous (and minor) aspects of the last iiNet appeal, and they might just get something out of it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s disgusting, but not unexpected.  The whole timing of this is the key part though.  Rather than let the courtcase run to its conclusion, they are baiting the trap so this can be used as evidence.</p>
<p>Mark my words &#8211; when AFACT and iiNet go back to the courts at the end of the year (I think), this &#8220;genuine attempt at conciliation&#8221; will rear its ugly head.</p>
<p>And hopefully blow up in their faces like every other &#8220;genuine attempt&#8221; they&#8217;ve tried to force on people so far.</p>
<p>The cynic in me thinks this is purely for that purpose, nothing more.  Its merely an evidence plant to try and con the judges into believing they have the moral high ground on the issue.</p>
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