and those headlines (amongst others) – are getting published “all around the world”
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=44092&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1425

and those headlines (amongst others) – are getting published “all around the world”

“A Hertfordshire couple in their 60s were horrified to receive a letter last week from a London firm of lawyers accusing them of dowloading a hardcore gay porn movie. It demanded they pay £503 for “copyright infringement” or face a high court action. The 20-page “pre-settlement letter” from lawyers Davenport Lyons, acting on behalf of German pornogaphers, insisted they pay £503 to their clients for the 115 minute film Army Fuckers which features “Gestapo” officers and “Czech” farmers.” (The Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/nov/28/internet-porn-bill-mistake

Dude, where’s your brain?

LOL. I’ve seen some stupid comments here but that one takes the price hands down. WTF does buying a house have to do with having a good computer and games? HAHHAHA. Just cant stop laughing, that comment is so idiotic that even the movie and music industry’s stupid stunts seem wise in comparison :D

Dude, your a stupid loser. Does it make you mad that im unimployed and i have a decent computer, lots of games, movies and music, while living in a 2 room rental apartment? Hope it does :D

Really?

Then I must be just imagining all these freeware multiplatform, multilangauge compilers, IDEs, graphic editing suites, and 3D modelling applications.

…Oh, wait. I’m not.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go point and laugh at all the stupid dipshits who actually spend money on writing software when all the necessary tools are free these days. Ha!

dude: “Companies have to pay money to developers who make software”

Only bad companies have to rely on paying money to outside developers. Good companies can produce their own code & assets.

Sorry, but you’ll have to try fishing for sympathy some other way.

dude: “Good progrmamer has learned 5-10 years before getting a nice paid job in some respected company. And by respected i mean popular.”

Meanwhile, smart, talented programmers realize that instead of wasting 5-10 years of their life taking programming courses, and becoming a work-a-day wage slave for some faceless developer… They can learn programming for free on their own terms, and write their own software and sell it themselves.

And before you say that’s unrealistic, once again; Jeff Vogal.

dude: “What you really thing in Microsoft people write their code lines as they wish? And they don’t get paid, because according to your logic software development doesn’t cost shit:)”

Employee salary != development costs.

dude: “Get the facts, “businessman””

Get a hint, Clueless.

dude: “I bet you all work in some post-office and/or car mechanics earning as little to even buy bread. Sorry, if you can’t buy a normal house you shouldn’t have a good PC and games at all. Get used with the fact you were a shitty student back then.”

Ah hah! So that’s why’re against filesharing despite your recognition that it isn’t even killing the industry. Because it threatens the rigid caste system that seperates the poor from the middleclass.

If somebody poor, who floundered in the public education system, can afford to buy a normal house and a nice PC thanks to the fact that they don’t have to spend money on music/movies/games etc. anymore, then it throws a wet blanket over your own achievments now, doesn’t it?

Suddenly, you look like a sap for toiling away at school so you could land a wellpaying job, because now a person doesn’t need a well paying job to afford what you can afford. And you look like a downright fool for spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on entertainment, when it can now just be downloaded for free. You wake up one day and find your DVD collection isn’t that impressive anymore.

Well, your Majesty. What can I say? You can’t close Pandora’s box. I’m afraid you’ll simply have to come to terms with the reality that the margin between you and the lowly peasent-folk is getting smaller.

:-)

Just sad, you really are that irresponsible people who want everything for free.

I bet you all work in some post-office and/or car mechanics earning as little to even buy bread. Sorry, if you can’t buy a normal house you shouldn’t have a good PC and games at all. Get used with the fact you were a shitty student back then.

then i get another person to host my software “illegally” for distribution and i sue every1 who downloads it to make money, since no1 would ever buy my software

Will check the games in the future for atari and have a long and hard think about buying from someone that has sued potential customers….

@38 Anonymous
Thanks for the support.

Companies have to pay money to developers who make software, and that’s the way they earn money. Good progrmamer has learned 5-10 years before getting a nice paid job in some respected company. And by respected i mean popular.

What you really thing in Microsoft people write their code lines as they wish? And they don’t get paid, because according to your logic software development doesn’t cost shit:)

Get the facts, “businessman”

Yes…

…?

Evil Angel contracted DigiProtect to publicly and freely distribute their own intellectual property worldwide accross P2P networks, in an attempt to then extort money from filesharers by threatening to sue them for downloading Evil Angel’s IP, even though downloading it no longer breaks copyright law thanks to the fact that Evil Angel officially consented to their IP being distributed accross P2P networks(that part was supposed to be a secret, though. Shh! Don’t tell anyone!). The whole racket they’ve got going there is a nice little venture in criminal blackmail.

So, your point is… What?

dude: “And you are using it illegally:)”

Yeah, and I also break the law when I jaywalk. So?

dude: “I bet for a thousand dollars if you had to create a software for what you were doing, lets say, 2 years you wouldn’t like to see it getting shared over the NET without getting penny as everyone leeches it.”

Software development costs nothing these days.

So why in God’s name would I find myself spending $1000 on writing an application when all the tools are free?

I wonder when the software industry will finally wake up one day and ask itself the same question.

dude: “With popular software it’s the case that everyone knows them and their products and most of the people, luckily, don’t download it illegally. You may think statistics lie about warez usage and everything, but it’s actually true – lesser percent are downloading instead of buying it, and that’s the reason companies still make software at all.”

No shit. But since you realize filesharing isn’t killing the industry, then what’s your problem with it?

And don’t tell me filesharing is killing small independant developers when Spiderweb Software has survived since 1994, and been the primary source of income for Jeff Vogal and his family(who all live comfortably, FYI – not inside a cardboard box under the freeway).

And you are using it illegally:)
I bet for a thousand dollars if you had to create a software for what you were doing, lets say, 2 years you wouldn’t like to see it getting shared over the NET without getting penny as everyone leeches it.

With popular software it’s the case that everyone knows them and their products and most of the people, luckily, don’t download it illegally. You may think statistics lie about warez usage and everything, but it’s actually true – lesser percent are downloading instead of buying it, and that’s the reason companies still make software at all.

“such as”

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“LICENSOR grants DIGIPROTECT the exclusive right to make the movies listed in Appendix 1 worldwide available to the public via remote computer networks, so-called peer-2-peer and internet file sharing networks such as e-Donkey, Kazaa, Bitorrent, etc. for the duration of this agreement.”

Somehow I doubt they’re talking about a closed P2P network. Call it a hunch…

phunny: “I bet for $100000 that ALL of you teenagers here would take the position in anti-piracy firms if they’d pay you nice cash.”

You do…?

Well now, that makes you a dipshit, doesn’t it?

Next.

dude:”which reminds me that according to your logic every PATENT in the world should also be shared freely?

i mean like when a car company’s engineers create blueprints for a new car model it should be instantly shareable for anyone?

and when NASA is designing a new rocket, scheme for this piece should also be available for anyone?”

Perhaps you’d be on to something if copyrights and patents were even remotely the same thing, or if anyone was even talking about patents before you bought them up, but as it stands your little rambling comment here lacks… Oh, I don’t know, a discernable point.

Rub your two braincells together and try again, Jethro.

dude: “Piracy equals Communism! Communism’s ideology was that everyone should be EQUAL”

In that case, the entire concept human rights is a form of Communism, too. Down with equality! Boo, rights! Let’s start rounding people up into camps, poste haste. I vote for Mexicans first!

Seperate restrooms for everybody! Oh, and busses, too! What? You say that’s wrong? Well look here everybody, if it isn’t KARL MARX!

dude: “everything should be equally SHARED. that is why it didn’t work out”

Communism “didn’t work out” because no government in the known world has ever instituted actual communism.

Sure, there have been plenty of dictatorships and fascist regimes that hid behind the name of communism, but much like cheats, crooks, murderers, and warmongers who hide behind the name of the Cross, it doesn’t really count.

Name one supposedly communist power under which everybody is, or ever was, equal.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. Bitch.

dude: “but don’t DOWNLOAD them without giving anything back.”

Whoops! Too late. :(

dude: “people have to live – people have to feed their children, and every company has a right ….”

…A right to charge those people through the nose for a CD that cost fractions of a penny to manufacture?

Sorry, I disagree.

I have a right to live – and I’d rather feed myself and my family than line the coffers of fatcat middlemen who rip off both me and the artists they pretend to represent.

dude: “in capitalistic (the only working model) world no one can stop this thing.”

Oh, damn. You must be really behind on the news. See, we already discovered a way to stop this thing. It’s called filesharing.

Its sad when people spend all their free time going to forums and blogs just to criticize others spelling and opinions.
YEs, alot of you seem to be crack baby brain dead and stuck in your own little worlds…. But those of you that come here just to talk trash about the others, while using as many big words as you can to seem smart and going through your post 5 times with spell check…… It doesnt make you any better.

penumbra: “I’m sorry, but it simply doesn’t logically follow that pursuing unlicensed distributors in itself has a deterrent effect on unlicensed distribution in general.”

I’m sure that that is the intent. Certainly the statement in the article that it has ‘nothing to do with protection’ is ludicrously overstated.

Anonymous: “y licensing Digiprotect to distribute its intellectual property over P2P networks, Evil Angel has officially sanctioned its content to be freely distributed, thereby making it quite stunningly illegal to threaten to sue anybody for downloading it, as downloading it is no longer a violation of IP-protection law because the files are being distributed with the IP-holder’s express permission. Do you follow, numbnuts?”

Peer to peer does not just mean bit-torrent. A closed p2p network in which every peer had agreed to a EULA for the client software could be what was intended. Licensing one party to distribute your property using a certain technology simply does not equate to a wholesale grant to all. It also doesn’t mean that the distribution has actually taken place. As I said above, it’s probably intended to allow Digiprotect to take action on its own behalf against people exercising rights exclusively licensed to them.

Wow, I must be getting old if thats what you kids believe.
If it wasnt for atari stealing ideas from people we wouldnt have video games as we know them today.

It isn’t legal.

Thanks to that contract leaking, Digiprotect and Evil Angel are royally fucked.

We’re looking at a textbook example of a criminal blackmailing racket. Expect both companies to go down in flames, possibly even before January if you can believe it.

][ated: “WTH are you talking about – why in gods name would that make it legal to download? Nothing has changed regarding the legality of the copy someone downloads as far as the downloader is concerned.”

LOL, retard. Just LOL.

By licensing Digiprotect to distribute its intellectual property over P2P networks, Evil Angel has officially sanctioned its content to be freely distributed, thereby making it quite stunningly illegal to threaten to sue anybody for downloading it, as downloading it is no longer a violation of IP-protection law because the files are being distributed with the IP-holder’s express permission. Do you follow, numbnuts?

Remember how id Software released the Quake sourcecode for free?

Imagine if they started accusing people of copyright infringement and demanding that they puy up or else for filesharing it.

The same principal applies here.

Go back to kindergarten, please.

Actually my remark about using the word “seed” instead of “distribute” does not make much sense either.
All leechers on bittorrent will eventually become seeders and even while they are leeching they will be involved in “distribution”.
So basically, it makes no sense what-so-ever to assign exclusive distribution rights on bittorrent!
If DigiProtect ever distributed things with bittorrent they would automatically involve unlicensed distributors.

It also goes without saying that the whole operation stinks!

i mean like when a car company’s engineers create blueprints for a new car model it should be instantly shareable for anyone?

and when NASA is designing a new rocket, scheme for this piece should also be available for anyone? even terrorists? we’re all one people – democracy, right? if i understand your logic.

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Piracy equals Communism! Communism’s ideology was that everyone should be EQUAL, everything should be equally SHARED. that is why it didn’t work out, because that ideology would’ve stopped technological advancements (everyone would’ve wanted the best things without giving back).

you guys should realize and/or read what the point of Copyrights and Patents is before coming here and scream how game companies are bad and they should be shot. fine, don’t play their games, then. but don’t DOWNLOAD them without giving anything back. people have to live – people have to feed their children, and every company has a right to earn as much money as they want with THEIR products. in capitalistic (the only working model) world no one can stop this thing. well, there’s monopoly laws, but this is completely another topic.

dumbass

jess
http://www.privacy.cz.tc

I’m sorry, but it simply doesn’t logically follow that pursuing unlicensed distributors in itself has a deterrent effect on unlicensed distribution in general.

The immediate reason for pursuing an unlicensed distributor can only be to seek damages, or appropriate legal restitution. There will never be a lawsuit brought under the law of “frightening other people orf moi stuff”. Having someone deliberately distribute your content puts you in a rather weak position when it comes to arguing damages.

The subsequent news reports of your ‘successful’ action for restitution is the only place the deterrent can come from. There must be some form of publicity campaign built around the action (which has been done in this case). Even then, the deterrent effect can vary wildly and is almost impossible to measure. If, for example, you have the reputation as a porn peddler and user of dishonest tactics (and do nothing to address the criticisms – but instead opt to remain silent), then the deterrent effect is likely to be diminished significantly.

It would be far simpler to just have the publicity campaign in isolation (know of any of these lately?).

“Read the links in the article, with particular attention to the Evil Angel/DigiProtect deal.”

As someone else has pointed out, the quotation is a grant of licence, not an assignment. I’d speculate that it’s been done to give Digiprotect legal standing to pursue unlicensed distributors. There’s just no way to argue that pursuit of unlicensed distributors – whatever additional motives there may be – can be seen as not having a deterrent effect on unlicensed distribution.

hypocrites you are.

WTH are you talking about – why in gods name would that make it legal to download? Nothing has changed regarding the legality of the copy someone downloads as far as the downloader is concerned.

And no, the parents could not sue as they should have been controlling their children and their usage of the internet.

It’s stupid asshats like you that somehow have the temerity to believe they are intelligent that gives filesharing a bad name you retard. Really, you’re mother would’ve done you a favour by not telling you how smart you are when it’s plain to many that you are unintelligent and stupid.

@24 said it first but shouldn’t it be illegal to put porn on p2p networks where minors can download it? Even if the uploader/seeder has the rights to put it on p2p networks it should be illegal because you can’t in any way control the age of the downloaders. Porn should be available only to people older than 18(atleast here), so if some company makes porn available to 10 year old kids then they themselves should be sued. Some conserned parent should sue them and make easy money…

This could very well be the beginning of the end for this bunch of lowlife copyright ambulance chasers.

You said: “How does it have nothing to do with protection? I’m sure their view is that it acts as a deterent to the alleged pirate and others. I agree that DL are running a shoddy operation, but let’s not talk crap for the sake of it.”
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Read the links in the article, with particular attention to the Evil Angel/DigiProtect deal. This is NOT anti-piracy enforcement, this is a business model which absolutely RELIES on piracy to operate. However I agree with your final comment. Let’s not talk crap for the sake of it ;)

It basically does what it says, EvilAngel still owns the copyright and DigiProtect has *exclusive* worldwide right to distribute over p2p.

From a technical point of view, exclusivity doesn’t really make sense here. For example with bittorrent, all peers can distribute. That’s just the way bittorrent works. You can’t really grant exclusive rights to distribute with bittorrent.

If I was drafting this contract I would actually use the word “seed” instead of distribute. Even so, its a bit dubious.

I remember when few year ago it was discovered that Piratebiran (???) an antipiracy organosation setup by the recording industry ( The four major again!) was apying a spy to work at the Pirate bay and plant evidences on some Pirate Bay server.

The anti piratebiran (????) by posting on internet all the pesonal information of the spy.

The four majors are operated by a pack of gansters and parasites.