Australian Internet Filter Will Target BitTorrent Traffic
Written by enigmax on December 22, 2008Previously thought to be limited to HTTP and HTTPs web traffic, the touted Australian Internet filter will also target P2P traffic. In response to a comment posted by a user on his department’s blog, Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy has admitted that BitTorrent filtering will be attempted during upcoming trials.
The proposed Australian Internet filter is causing quite a lot of controversy at the moment. Part of a package of measures designed to inspire citizens with confidence as they operate online, the “Cyber-Safety Plan” includes proposals for filtering HTTP and HTTPs Internet traffic, ostensibly for the protection of minors.
However, up to now it was thought that the scheme would not be extended to other protocols and methods of online communication, such as those carried out via P2P. Today, however, that illusion is gone, as news surfaces BitTorrent will be targeted.
In a blog post entitled “Promoting a civil and confident society online”, Australian Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy responded to criticism from a user who posed this question: “Internet filtering won’t stop peer-to-peer and BitTorrent traffic—so why bother?”
The Government understands that ISP-level filtering is not a ’silver bullet’. We have always viewed ISP-level filtering as one part of a broader government initiative for protecting our children online.
Technology is improving all the time. Technology that filters peer-to-peer and BitTorrent traffic does exist and it is anticipated that the effectiveness of this will be tested in the live pilot trial.
Stephen Conroy
The filtering scheme has many dissenters, including the chief of one of Australia’s largest ISPs, iiNet, who called it “ridiculous“, and branded Stephen Conroy “the worst Communications Minister we’ve had in the 15 years since the [Internet] industry has existed.”
Of course, no decent person wants minors exploited or to see evidence of such online, but as a user of BitTorrent for many years, I have never, ever, come across anything that remotely resembles such material. Although it would be naive to say that it does not exist, BitTorrent is probably one of the last ‘places’ online people would visit to gain such material and, as such, i’m hugely disappointed it is to be included in this filter.
However, filtering BitTorrent is not as easy as Mr Conroy might have us believe, as will quickly become apparent when the results of the live pilots come in.
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112 Responses
this is great news…supposing it's actually effective in combating file stealing and isn't just a waste of money.
The prospect of a MAFIAA Gestapo is getting closer and closer to reality each and every day. As long as the MAFIAA Gestapo is unopposed, they shall have their way.
How sick of an excuse to say that they need to protect children for a reason to filter bittorrent LOLLERSKATES.
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
Mein Kampf; the Ralph Manheim translation published by Houghton-Mifflin, 1943. pg 403.
what a joke as an australian i can clearly say that this is really fuc*ed mate. hopefully iinet can convince them after this trial that this is not going to work.
better grab TOR now aussies before your goverment denies you access to https://www.torproject.org/
thanks @ 2 nice quote
UL Australia i really hope the people are not supporting this uter crap.
George Orwell would be proud of the censorship infrastructure being built in the name of a civil and confident society. However, I think it has zero chance of working, and seems to be the product of abject cluelessness combined with gonzo overconfidence. So, have the Australians considered outsourcing this to China, whose censorship infrastructure seems to be mature? China could make a lot of money if they exported their mature censorship platform to the rest of the world, which clearly craves it.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN, WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILREN!!!!
I’m growing to like this world we live in, its so laughable its almost like being in a constant dream…
what exactly will they be protecting children from? seems to me like they’re sugesting child porn? altho i fail to see how that would protect children as they can get all they want off wap and other such forms of data-transfer
on a lighter note… you cant get child porn on BT, belive me, I’VE TRYED
(purly to quell my curiosity as to ‘what else’ i might dl)
The problem is this live trial doesn’t include people, basically its not live at all.
no doubt this sham of a trial will return the results they want and it wont be until they have finished sinking as much money into it they can and all the ISPs have lost a fortune in complying with stupid rules and its rolled out in full will they realise that it does nothing except annoy people and cost money.
but hey they may think that’s a good goal as well they way they are acting.
Kain Able: “on a lighter note… you cant get child porn on BT, belive me, I’VE TRYED
(purly to quell my curiosity as to ‘what else’ i might dl)”
Right – curiosity. People who have no interest in viewing child pornography don’t look for it out of curiosity as to whether it is there or not. Just like people who have no interest in viewing murder or rape won’t look for it.
Fucking lying pervert.
In the netherlands the Police will have a blacklist for childporn too.
The ISP’s are espected to work with this list.
But at this moment its unclear, how to figth a discission why you got on the list, or how to get of. Besides that, its unclear which authority takes the dicissions. When they start to add torrent sites to this list, it will get worse… since the instruments are already in place.
The problem with this is that at the moment Senator Conroy is linking the fact that if you are against the filter, you are FOR child pornography. This means many people do not want to stand up against it, and be labelled. He also seems to be side stepping many of the questions that have been posed to him.
nice quote @ #2.
Mr Rudd has repeatedly stated that his government will apply evidence-based decision making in all areas of government. Well, my question for you Mr Rudd is, 'what evidence can you provide that filtering will prevent criminal use of the internet?' 1984 indeed.
WTF is wrong with them. make excuses to stop us bittorrenting. no matter what they try we will get around it. but still.
@2 great quote, too bad it’s fake = / (only the first sentence appears in a different context).
but who cares it’s true no matter who did or didn’t say it.
This looks like a test bed for something the RIAA and/or MPAA want.
Today Australia, tomorrow the world!
You mean that a MAFIAA Gestapo is great news? You are just a sick imbecile.
Roze
@9
“The problem with this is that at the moment Senator Conroy is linking the fact that if you are against the filter, you are FOR child pornography.” – An extremely valid point.
I see this type of argument used more than ever in this day and age, used in conjunction with TWAT (the war against terror), tax decrease (its always the schools and hospitals who miss out, but they still have enough to blow up middle eastern parts of the world) the pro-life campaign, fundamentalist indoctrination, drugs (all the ‘bad’ ones) and of course you are either crazy and whacky or completely logical and sane on you stance of the NWO and UFO’s (pls utube ‘the disclosure project’ and BT arron russo’s ‘historic interview’ & ‘freedom to fascism’ and make your own mind up)
But thus is the argument of today, rhetoric’s and cunning linguistics
Fat chance. Besides, the U.S. is doing a pretty bad job of liberating other countries in the first place. The only way for this to change is for the masses of the general people to say "no." The only time that shall happen is when people decide to stand up to the MAFIAA and the Gestapo that they are trying to impose.
We all know peadophile rings are nowhere to be seen on the internet.
It is more likely certain government ministers, judges and police who protect themselves are involved in it.
Maybe somebody should investigate Conroy’s private business.
I’m glad to see that others are feeling a similar point of view to what I am experiencing.
This is a move by what was thought to be a transparent governmental system to censor the internet far beyond the measures of the material orginally in question. I fully support the banning of obscene child materials but a move to censor BitTorrent will NOT be accepted. I’m appauled by this move, and will not support it in any way, shape or form.
Telstra is wedged so far up Kevin Rudds ass I reckon that will be the first to faulter. A pitty the majority then of Australians would then be robbed of their ‘freedom’, one can only imagine what is then to follow…
if this goes ahead i will proudly offer a free to australia vpn access to my australian pirates. The internet is about freespeach lets keep it that way people.
P.s im not joking i will. I have 4tb of spare bw anyway :)
Pedo rings exist but – as you say – are nowhere to be seen because by nature they’re hidden.
Unless you actively search for it (like Kain Able who is at least curious about viewing pedophilia so he tried to find it as he says). It does exist in public domain places though: gnuttella and edonkey have large amounts of pedo videos and images. Anonymous networks like I2P, Freenet and Tor, most notoriously, also have large amounts of pedo material.
Rudd promised faster broadband and upgraded infrastructure before he was elected. Now that he is elected the first thing he tries to do with regards to Australian internet – is censor it! Filters that are going to cost tax payers millions of dollars and in the process reduce the freedom and privacy of those who use it.
I’m totally against child pornography but this is being used as an excuse to monitor Australian citizens online. Like has been said above, BitTorrent is the last likely place to find child porn. Is there no one in power with common sense to see how far astray Rudd’s plans have gone?
it will happen int he states too its just the beginning
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we need to clean up the pirate bay of child porn theres tons on there..get those pedos of TPB!
Is everyone living in a fantasy world?
Technology is getting better.. but guess what moron? Guess what also gets better at the same time.. the technology to DEFEAT YOUR STUPID TECHNOLOGY.
Owned.
This crap to protect children online is the stupidest shit I have ever heard.. you want to know how to protect your children? DONT LET THEM USE THE INTERNET UNSUPERVISED MORON. Or perhaps Im missing the real meaning of this.. i really just dont understand it. It is of my experience that as long as you dont go visiting every stupid AD or crap website on the net, your not going to run into anything that could possibly HARM YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN.
Typing in ilovekidporn.com or somthing is NOT A GOOD IDEA. GROW A F*CKING BRAIN.
A line from a Lensman book, written 50+ years ago has always stuck with me. goes something like "what man can create, man can copy, or circumvent. The only way to prevent man from duplicating, is to use something man can't make". In that instance, they were talking about law enforcement credentials, and they solved it by having the lens, which wasn't made by man.The problem applies here too though.
“Previously thought to be limited to HTTP and HTTPs”
How can they use DPI on encrypted (HTTPS) traffic?
They could throttle the port that is used for HTTPS (443), maybe that’s what they will do?
The filter won't work here in Australia, once this filter comes in Australia's internet is fucked.
"problem solved" – wrong. The problem is solved only when the government stops trying to do this crazy thing. The fact that any government in the world is seeking to turn the internet into a police state is a problem, especially when it is in a democratic nation like Australia. The way to solve the problem is to get government to stop doing this, by going against the MAFIAA. The only reason why the MAFIAA is so successful so far at getting a MAFIAA Gestapo into reality is because they are essentially unopposed.
As an australian, im pretty embarrassed for our government and this shit idea.
if this goes ahead, first thing i’ll be doing is getting myself a dedicated vpn set up. problem fucking solved.
And the reason why the government is trying to install a MAFIAA-controlled police state in the first place is due to the fact that nobody is publicly opposing the MAFIAA. People who are against a MAFIAA Gestapo, for some strange reason, are all silent across Australia.
What's more important than the people in power, are the people who are ultimately in charge. Despite the delusions of some people here, of the idea that there is somehow a avast un-democratic conspiracy between MAFIAA lobbyists, and the government, reality is, this is completely false. The real reason why the MAFIAA keeps on having their way, and why their are so successful at installing a MAFIAA Gestapo is because, simply put, nobody opposes them – at least not public or in a vocal manner.
@20
No, because no one in power HAS common sense when it comes to technology. They see a computer and think it’s black magic, it’s the same in my country.
7 is clearly a sick cunt
The reason why the MAFIAA is so successful is essentially because almost nobody seems to be willing to stand up and go against them publicly, leaving the MAFIAA essentially unopposed in their operation to turn the internet into a police state.
Why should iiNet be the one to convince them? You are missing the fact that Australia is a democratic state, and that the opinion of the masses is by far more powerful than any ISP controlled by just a few people. The fact of the matter is that the MAFIAA is so successful not because there is a massive conspiracy of lobbying, but rather because of the simple fact that the MAFIAA is not publicly opposed by any substantial group of people. To say that it is futile because Australia is somehow very undemocratic (completely untrue) is essentially to give up one's ability to pressure government to change – something that the MAFIAA would like very much.
This great for me. I’m selling ftp slots to uk members but looks I could I could be expanding lol my point is that we will always a way bit torrent is dead to me
“Of course, no decent person wants minors exploited or to see evidence of such online, ”
That paragraph needs to be elaborated a bit because I was not sure of what you were talking about, reading the comments I see that it might be child porn.
In all honesty, to this date I dont know of a single person who has downloaded CP without __really__ looking for it, i have never come accross it myself by accident even after tens of thousands of downloads (if not more), not even a photograph leave alone anything worse.
@21,
“we need to clean up the pirate bay of child porn theres tons on there..get those pedos of TPB!”
That seems like a statement to slander TPB and other BT sites because those guys actively remove such files asap and no one i know has ever gotten such crap from there.
"Protecting our children online" what a load of bullshit, Fooguy has it in one
Tor is a nightmare to get to work any-good.
Since Australia has no bill of rights and it’s people are apathetic, it’s a prime candidate for a Dictator to come into power.
We may need the US to come liberate us from these dictators soon.
@19 & 25
(I assume 25 meant 6 not 7)
I wasn’t interested in viewing the shizzle, just act out my thought of “what else can i possibly download from BT seeing as it does seem to have everything” but I can conclude that if there is CP on BT then it would be under some disguised name (SWIM once dl’d ‘Charlie and the chocolate factory’ only to obtain gay porn)
but I only brought this up to highlight (albeit in a discreet way) the fact that the only way they could possibly filter out CP on BT would be to download and manually check each video/pic available, but first would have to acquire permission to download anything and everything with a copyright and would need a staff of at least 100k working around the clock all with a reasonable connection – this is insane, you would have to check every torrent in the world.
need i go on?
For fuck sake Roze, stop repeating yourself. This has nothing to do with the MAFIAA!
Yes, it does. You are just too blind to see how the MAFIAA would be delighted to see something like this.
any1 with basic understanding of BT knows it sucks for CP. you’re neither anonymous nor in a dark net.
of course this block is bs too, at best it gets the people who are not already on a proxy to use one so the odds of catching someone are even lower. and the easiest ways of access like TOR wont be affected anyways.
The MAFIAA Gestapo is coming closer and closer to reality, every passing day.
Roze
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The prospect of a MAFIAA Gestapo is coming closer and closer into reality, each and every day.
As long as the MAFIAA is unopposed, they shall have their way.
Roze
p2p encryption…
@36 by me
The fact that any encryption is required is a signal that the internet is coming closer and closer to a police state… of course, that is exactly what the MAFIAA wants, and that is what they will get, as long as the MAFIAA Gestapo remains unopposed.
Roze
Economics is the root of all evil.
Welcome to 1984 and fascist state.
I wonder how many pockets the MAFIAA had to line to own the australian government?
"MAFIAA Gestapo" is an accurate term. The MAFIAA is indeed trying to impose a police state on the internet. After all, copyright is all about the control of ideas and thoughts: and that requires thought policing. It is just as simple as that.
Also, you make no sense when you say "take action." The fact is that the idea comes before the action, and is more important than the action. Laws amongst other things cannot change just because a single person has an idea: rather, the idea has support from a sufficient number of people.
file stealing is not a freedom of speech issue.
Clearly the only uses of Bit Torrent are "Stealing" from musicians, distributing Child Porn, and Hacking Military Satellites … and not, say, grabbing the latest version of Fedora.
Bummer, sounds like the Great Wall of China has extended itself! LOL
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Conray is a nazi puppet. Screw you Conray and your pathetic attempt to play big brother.
There is no such thing as 'minors being exploited'. In a sexual situation between an adult and a child, the power lies SOLELY in the hands of the child, because one word to their parents or (if their parents are the perpetrators of the unwanted sexual encounters) another adult about someone forcing them into sex will have that person in a shitload of trouble.
It's really time to REPEAL the child sexual abuse and statutory rape laws, and realize that children over 2 are really more than able to protect themselves from unwanted sexual encounters by ANYONE, including adults, if we teach them that if someone tries to touch them in ANY fashion without their permission (or after they touch them once and they tell the person to stop)…… that is wrong and they should report that person.
I know this from experience. I made love with adults, teenagers and other children as a child and loved all but 4 out of the 2 thousand+ sexual encounters, and those 4 times: 2 of them I was forced into sex at 12 by people my age and YOUNGER than myself, who were planning on killing me. The other 2 times…. I'm really assuming something happened, because I woke up with a sore bottom, and thought that someone had been messing with it. No real proof for the latter two, though one of the people I suspected was later arrested for drugging children and anally raping them.
Yes, it does. If you pay any attention at all, you would know that the MAFIAA has worldwide influence, and are essentially the ones pushing the copyright.
Yes, it does. If you pay any attention at all, you would know that the MAFIAA has worldwide influence.
Now you're just being retarded. First of all, the transmission of ideas is not "stealing." However, blocking the transmission of ideas, and controlling what other people do with ideas and thoughts, based on the idea that a certain entity could own an idea or thought (which is called "copyright"), is, in fact, a freedom of thought and freedom of speech issue.
"Now you're just being retarded. First of all, the transmission of ideas is not "stealing."
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calling films and music an "idea" or a "thought" is like calling an elephant an atom. it doesn't make any sense.
roze, you are just an idiot kid behind a computer. the dumbest poster on torrentfreak bar none. the majority of your posts are long winded and incomprehensible. even the pirates call you on your delusional, seemingly drug-addled rants.do you get that? even your compatriots here think you're an idiot. how does that not have an effect on you? how can you just persevere through so much disdain from both sides of this argument? not to sound cliche, but nobody seems to like you. the only person who ever remotely agrees with your ignorance is that other spammer with a two bit website and i suspect it's more to do with that fact than any shared ideology.
i really wish your parents were more proactive in limiting your internet time, roze. you are getting redundant in how often you make a fool of yourself.
YOU don't make any sense. The fact is that films and music are indeed thoughts and ideas, just as the content of a book is as well. If you don't see that, then you must be an idiot. Of course, that is most probable. You are the delusional one. It is you, who is a fool, who says that there should be any control over what people do with thoughts and ideas.
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Man, get over the *think-of-the-children* arguments put forth, people. You should know that these are a trap.
I actually look forward to this, and fully expect similar to start to occur throughout the world even if it’s only moderately successful at achieving its goals. As a consequence I expect file-sharing technology will simply evolve as necessary to circumvent any obstacles the system presents. This will be good as it will move things more out of the ‘broad daylight’ that they are now, to a ‘darker’ and thus much more difficult place for these entities to monitor and control.
The Internet needs much more use of encryption and obfuscation these days anyway, as every day that passes, more and more ‘organisations’ devise ever-more devious ways of analysing/monetising/controlling people’s activities. We need a push towards evolution of the technologies like this, as without such things become lazy and stagnant. Thankfully though, I believe acts like this by the AUS.gov will prove only go to provide the necessary precursors towards such an evolution.
It’ll be a good thing this, and a guaranteed laugh on a regular basis. :thumbup:
you are a sick fuck….
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to filter P2P Network traffic. They can close down ports (which we'll remap), but how the hell are they gonna tell which content in which codec or format in a zip file that's encrypted in 128bits is good or bad?
This is a pipe dream, if it works it'll be a flash in a pan and we will figure out how to get around it in hours. Who are they trying to kid, really??
“democratic state, which Australia definitely is”
wasn’t it in australia where some dude got raided + arrested for putting a video where some circus guy swings a laughing child around on youtube because that’s child abuse. and another one got convicted for owning simpsons pr0n … you’re going down so fast australia = / next thing all simpsons episode where they don’t have their seatbelts on are prohibited.
Come to Australia and tell me how powerful our government makes you feel.
We have two more years left before we can vote these fuckers out, and the primary alternative is really no better (if not worse). All we can do is protest – and we all know how well THAT works these days.
Wouldn't calling those opposed a group of child porn advocates be grounds for a class action slander law suit?
What happened to parents protecting their children from sensitive stuff. This was all an excuse to censor the internet. FUCK MR CONROY.
We should be able to call our ISP and ask them to turn the filter on/off accordingly, instead of turning it on for everyone.
For example, the account holder (must be 18+ anyways) has the ability to turn it on/off according to their needs. That means if a household does not have any under 18's they wont need the filter.
If this happens, how am I suppose to download my linux iso's quickly?
are you fucking retarded. the MAFIAA is AMERICAN.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Australia or any other country besides USA
so shut the fuck up.
at least on the bright side this will be so poorly planned and implemented that it should easy to get around
Well done to all that voted Kevin Rudd in!
He is a fucking idiot and so are all the idiots that voted him in.
Here's the real motivation behind this Orwellian bulls**t:
"Rudd seeks church role in politics"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/10/01/1159641...
They are using your own hang-ups against you. What's wrong with completely uncensored internet? What's wrong with being allowed to view any kind of video that you choose? Don't you realize that they are using your hang-ups about cp against you? This child porn debate gets their foot in the door and that's all they need to take away all your other freedoms. How about not letting them get their foot in the door in the first place?
And for such a savvy, intelligent group of people, I'm amazed to hear things like, "…the US will have to come save us from these tyrants…"….hello, the people that want to take away your freedom are from the USA and are working together with the US Govt and US corporations to do that. Don't you understand that? Did you not hear the news ? These guys just killed Mike Connell. The US Govt is full of murderers. They are worst than the Nazi party in Germany because many people don't even see them coming. These guys are so good that it would make Hitler drool with envy.
Know why? Coming soon in 2009 or 2010, they are planning on implementing a device in the households of many americans that will direct silent sound waves into the brains and silently brainwash the masses. They call it "digital tv" and it is digital TV but one part of the bandwidth will be used for subconscious brainwashing. It's silent and people won't even hear it. This is the kind of thing that would have allowed Hitler to silently take over the entire world without even firing a shot and it's quietly going to be going into use soon and it's probably coming to your country as well. Unplug your TV if you know what is good for you and don't bring any digital converter boxes into your house. Turn the radio off too.
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That's because the term "MAFIAA Getapo" is a term that you made to be as emotive as possible and to get attention for yourself.
And why don't you avail yourself of facts before posting crap – I know it's hard for you resist spouting whatever comes into your head: on 12th of December there were rallies held at the House of Parliment in every capital city in Australia to protest against this law. As I attended I have done more than you do to support you're beliefs that you write about here. That's according to your previous posts.
As I have said before: spouting rubbish here is meaningless and pointless if you're not prepared to take action in the real world to uphold your viewpoint and effect change. As you have said you don't do anything other than post here you achieve nothing towards your ends – in other words you'd rather post a whole bunch of vitriolic crap here and that's enough for you to feel as though you've contributed to changing the world. Which you haven't unless you refuse to acknowledge reality which I can easily imagine you would based on your other posts.
Ok, I sort of worked out you were delusional from the first line of the first post when you described posters here as savvy and intelligent and then compared the US to Nazi Germany but thanks for posting the second time and confirming it ;) …
Of course you and a few select others are the only ones smart enough to know this is coming I suppose and I'm an agent of the US government posting here to persude people that your claims are batshit crazy as well.
ROFL.
Nope. Under Australian law, a member of parliament can say ANYTHING – provided it is said inside parliament – with zero risk of a lawsuit. They can say that you eat babies for breakfast if they like, and there's absolutely zero legal recourse for you. This is called 'parliamentary privilege', and It can be and has been abused – even to the point (in one particular well-known case in Western Australia) of pushing a person to suicide due to false claims made under such 'privilege'.
Many of the commercially-available filtering products can filter HTTPS via man-in-the-middle techniques. This typically involves forcing installation of a certificate that the user's browser considers valid upon the user. Normally these tools are used in corporate networks, where this isn't difficult (e.g. on Windows it can just be set using group policy via active directory). In the govt. filter scenario they would probably require everyone to accept the cert when it's presented to them the first time if they want to continue using SSL.
Of course this opens a security hole so large you could fly the Enterprise through sideways, but the govt knows it's worth it since it may possibly one day perhaps prevent one kiddy somewhere sometime from accidentally maybe seeing someone's tits – something which as we all know can turn ordinary children into future axe-murderers.
solved only until they ban (and block, at the ISP level) private use of VPN's.
[they'll allow corporate use of course, after all, they don't want to piss off their mates in big business.]
you really think anyone is going to listen to iinet when they are in the court process for letting people download illegal content?
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My questions remain the same with filtering. How does a filter tell a secure packet transmission is HTTP or BitTorrent? Is there some easily accessible information in the envelope? If I change my HTTPS and BT ports to <insert random port numbers here> then how would the filter know what I was transmitting? I should look this stuff up I suppose. In fact I will do that now.
Frankly this is outrageous. How dare the ALP do this … Though I am told by my geeky friends that we can get around it and I can assure Conroy we will.
what a joke as an australian i can clearly say that this is really fuc*ed mate. hopefully iinet can convince them after this trial that this is not going to work.
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Right so now they want to stop bit torrent because its for the people's good. So they're going to protect people from bit torrent now because we can't handle it. Next they will be doing the voting for the Aussies. I mean theyr'e already disiding what is right and , and what is wrong and they are in the process of removing and or limiting peoples freedom of speach online. The australian government has gone to far I say. Taking peoples freedom of speach and sqaushing their rights is wrong!
Australia has a labour government. Whenever a labor government gets in power they make such a mess of things. All the labor governments do is waste tax payer money, and steal our rights from us. Left wing politicians are complete imbeciles. They are a disgrace to the idea of left and right wing governments. Left wing politicians aren't even communists. Oh no i know they try but they end up squashing peoples rights and making corporates rich. The left wing politicians are disgraceful. They dont stand for the people. All the left wing politicians think they have the right to decide what is and isnt, but they dont, they think they can control our lives but they can't. Australia needs to get a real government.
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You forget that the people are the most powerful element in a democratic state, which Australia definitely is. iiNet can only do so much, because they are simply a business. Only the opinion of the masses of people can really do anything effective.
Indeed, that is what government is for. If one disagrees with laws, one ought to do things to get the law changed. At least in a democratic government, of course, which Australia definitely is. Thus, the way to get laws changed is to get the popular will to want it changed. To say that industries somehow have an undemocratic amount of power is just a crazy conspiracy theory, and is exactly what the industry wants us to think, since it is essentially giving up our democratic rights.
lol. you're all in fear as you'll have to go back to the 'good ol days' of actually buying cds, dvds, software, resources etc.
Protests are not effective only because they are not well-thought-out. A good protest can be effective. Moreover, even if it is not, at least the token effort counts.
Except they are not in court for this reason – they are in court because they refuse to hand over the information to the American distributors – they have however stated that they are willing to hand over the names/addresses to the police. It's called the Privacy Act for a reason, and it would be illegal for Iinet to hand over this information.
The elephant in the room is the fact the government has men with guns and cages waiting for those who stand against them.The fundamentalist christian lobby is simply using this power to further their own agenda.If you had no government you would have nothing in place that could lead to tyranny of this magnitude.
Dave the christian anarchist.
We are all in recognition of Roses stupidity?
great!!
The internet filter is flawed.
The only fear should be that it will infect other countries also.
If all are infected with this, then we have limited shadow to "play".
Aussie "enthusiasts" are standing frontline, but can only ward off the dogs for soo long.
Dont be blind peeps, cause even if youre on the otherside of the world, you should know that change is only an "1C 00" away ;)
Those australian guys are stupid?!
Kevin Rudd and Stephen Conroy have to be killed, kill them now.
I urger all terrorists to target and kill these idiots. KILL THEM NOW THE CUNTS !!!!!!!!!!
Yep, anybody who thinks the conservative coalition parties will be any better is seriously kidding themselves. Both mainstream parties are up to their necks in cosy little relationships with the corporate world. The only reason the conservatives did not introduce this stuff when in government was because they accepted the technical advice that it could not be done effectively (or even at all). But make no mistake, they would be wetting their pants with excitement if effective filtering technology ever became available, and would not hesitate to implement and abuse it. Conservatives are as obsessed with controlling the population as anybody, their current and very convenient claims to be defenders of free speech notwithstanding.
TOR is no good for P2P, it does not have the bandwidth. In fact too many people use it to peer, it will render TOR useless.
Definitely not. The substantial majority are opposed to it.
Brother, have you got some growing up to do.
“Promoting a civil and confident society online”, claims Australian Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy.
Meaning 'promoting a subdued and compliant society'.
The filtering scheme has many dissenters, including the chief of one of Australia’s largest ISPs, iiNet, who called it “ridiculous“, and branded Stephen Conroy “the worst Communications Minister we’ve had in the 15 years since the [Internet] industry has existed.”
And that is saying something, as Australia has had a long run of truly shitty communications ministers. I did not think anybody could be worse than that rabid idiot Richard Alston, but…
Seems like Hitler now lives in Australia.
"We will now tell you what you can and cannot do on the internet."
HIEL HITLER!
That's odd… Everyone in the U.S. seems to think that government is on *our* side with regard to bandwith shaping matters. Maybe the plan is to make sure that only honest, uncorruptable people are always elected to office, for ever and ever and ever. I hope that's not unrealistic.
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