Azureus is Dead, Vuze Goes Social
Written by Ernesto on June 16, 2008After 5 years, the popular BitTorrent client Azureus is no more. The Vuze team has officially abandoned the Azureus name and the new “social” BitTorrent client is now completely integrated into the Vuze content distribution platform.
The first version of the Java based BitTorrent client Azureus was released in June 2003, and soon became popular among the early adopters of BitTorrent. Over the years, Azureus turned into one of the most feature-rich clients, backed by a dedicated team of developers and an active community.
Things changed in 2006 when Azureus launched the content distribution platform it called ‘Vuze’ (aka Zudeo), backed up by a total of $34 million venture capital. For a while, they kept releasing a no-Vuze version of Azureus (when Vuze/Zudeo was in Beta), but Vuze CEO, Gilles BianRosa told TorrentFreak that this only caused confusion among their users.
“We started to change our name from Azureus to Vuze over a year ago, but we did not make the change in a clear or consistent manner,” Gilles said. “This has caused a great deal of confusion amongst our users. We want to rectify this situation by changing our name to Vuze consistently.”
“Whilst we recognize the strength of the Azureus name and the frog, it is only associated with our original BitTorrent application. As we move towards creating an all-in-one application for finding, playing and sharing great content, that goes beyond the realm of just a BitTorrent client, we wanted to change our name to reflect that, but bring with us the frog who is such a part of our heritage,” Gilles added.
Today, Vuze comes with a brand new release of their client (v3.1), introducing several new features. One of the most drastic changes is the new social layer that has been added to the client. Vuze users are now able to add friends, share torrents with friends, and give friends a speed boost when you are downloading the same torrent.
The new client also includes a meta-search engine that allows you to search across several popular BitTorrent sites, in addition to content from Vuze.com. The search functionality is completely customizable, so you can add you personal favorite if it’s not already included.
Unfortunately, there will not be a Vuze client available without the Vuze platform integrated. Gilles told TorrentFreak: “We are focusing our efforts on delivering against our vision of creating an all-in-one application that enables users to find, download, play and share in one streamlined application.”
“We have started on a path of creating an all-in-one application that enables users to find, play and share torrents. In particular, we believe that by enabling users to share content and bandwidth through the “Friends” feature we are adding a completely new dimension to peer-to-peer - a new social dimension, or what we call ’social P2P’,” Gilles said.
Azureus is no more, the name change is permanent. On the one hand this is a step forward, as the new interface and functionality will appeal to new users. However, it has also caused quite a heated debate among both developers and users who were happy with the classic UI. Although, it’s a bit hidden, the original interface still remains accessible with the UI switcher. Time will tell if it is the right move.
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197 Responses
Gah I hate this Vuze shit, just give us the standard Azureus back.
While I wish Vuze success, the sad fact remains that many people do NOT want the features of the Vuze client — it’s a “whole other animal” as far as I’m concerned.
The last version of Azureus I used was 2.5.0.4 but I ditched it in favor of uTorrent. It’s a nice client (although it is lacking in many features) and works just great.
I’ve kept my original Azureus in case I ever want to go back. “Change” is good, but “choice” is better.
Not a big loss, the last good version of Azureus was 2.5.0.4 anyway and its the one i still use to this day.
So, I’ll be sticking with the last version of Azureus until I finally make the move to utorrent. This sucks.
I changed from azureus to utorrent over a year ago because it seemed to hog all my computers resources. Correct me if im wrong but although it looks great, wont this thing be even more demanding than azureus was…
Nooooo this is tragic!! I don’t want their garbage “social P2P” client, I just want my torrent downloaded :(
> Unfortunately, there will not be a
> Vuze client available without the
> Vuze platform integrated.
Err… well, nothing’s changed over the last year really. You can’t download a version of Azureus / Vuze without the Vuze part with it - but you can still use the classic interface (the one that’s in Azureus 2).
So you can still use the Azureus 2 interface if you want to (without all the Vuze UI wrapping around it), it’s just that the program is called Vuze.
deluge…..
Really, people should use deluge more, especially if you’re sandvined!
it’s still pre-alpha, but it has many of the features needed (minus being DHT tracker, but still) and only minimal bugs.
Beats using a client owned by BitTorrent Inc. on my book, but everyone has different tastes.
Sad to see Azureus go though. Used to use it (utorrent on the laptop cause my laptop wasn’t as powerful) before comcast started sandvining…..now use deluge.
Never going to use “vuze”
Now Joost I might, but Vuze, nah!
I just lost all my faith in bittorrent now, ima go cry….
@amc1
Thanks, I’ve updated the article to include this, I wasn’t really clear.
was azerius not open sourced anyway? if it was then someone can easily start a fork of the project just as a pure bittorrent client minus the vuze-ness
so the vuze free version may not be as dead as everyone assumes
vuze has old classic interface, so whats a problem? u can just disable vuze interface in settings.
the only reason I use vuze is you can stop sharing with leechers. utorrent makes you share with the leechers. Yes all the extras are annoying.
||||||| LONG LIFE TO AZUREUS |||||||
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_2.5.0.4a_Win32.setup.exe?modtime=1170868577&big_mirror=0
Ditched azerius somehwere in version 1.x, and now the only way you can take utorrent from me is by prying it from my cold feking dead hands!
“For a while, they kept releasing a no-Vuze version of Azureus”
we never did, as amc1 pointed out we included the GUI-switcher and still do so. Except the brand nothing has changed.
Oh, and those who keep pointing to the 2.5.0.4 release, there have been a whole bunch of bug fixes, memory improvements and features added even if you don’t want to use the Vuze UI:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/changelog.php
Same as many others….Even tho you can switch back to the classic UI….I switched to the less bloated Utorrent about 6 months ago myself….got tired of it eating all my resources up all the time…
Thank god I can never spell Azureus and Vuze is so much easier!
Azureus became too cluttered with Vuze and now it’s all or nothing? I’ll take the latter thanks.
Hopefully some developers pick it up open-source again. Venture Capitalism has no place in the real torrent world.
the no-vuze one’s released by some community person on TPB or something after googling.
As for why no Vuze: it used enough resources when it was Azureus to begin with (which I tolerated for the good UI and decent download speed performance) compared to other clients….now it probably uses more, and it’s still not [partially] resistant to sandvining (latest version)! Although that’s comcast’s fault….
Personally, I prefer Azureus Inc. to Bittorrent Inc. (don’t really trust BT I. to “do no evil”, in fact, expect them to), but until the sandvining issue is fixed (and maybe removing the unneeded plug-ins that I read about in the IRC chat log), I’m not switching back to Azureus/Vuze.
If you come up with your own alternative to BitTorrent Inc. DNA though (that isn’t force installed, but independent), I’d use it.
Btw, the gfx update for the little icon next to the torrent has some issues (apparently something that had a icon earlier now has a blank white box)
I was wondering what all the Vuze nonsense was that would occasionally update on my client– guess I had it stuck in classic mode. I don’t see the sense in having all that extra crap, personally– looks slick and dumb, like a BT version of RealPlayer.
I like Azureus, but I could learn uTorrent in a minute if I need to switch.
WTF is up with all this “social” crap. If we want to socialize on the internet, we don’t need a friggin Torrent client to do it with.
Azureus was so bloated already; this will just make it more difficult to use.
Josh wrote: “utorrent makes you share with the leechers.”
Yeah, that’s one of the main things I dislike about it. The reason they give is that people don’t use it properly. :/ Bullshit. When I see a client sucking up a huge percentage of a torrent I’m seeding while everyone else is still far below, that means they’re leeching and not sharing fully. Sometimes it’s a BitThief client masquerading as the original BitTorrent client (downloading without uploading). uTorrent needs kick and ban for leeching assholes like that.
As for Vuze having the original Azureus interface — who cares? The resource footprint is huge whether you use it or not. Azureus was once a great client but it slowly changed into something that appeared to be coded by Microsoft’s bloatware specialists. Apparently they can’t say “no” to any suggested “feature” and just shoehorned everything but the kitchen sink into the thing.
Vuze is LimeWire, Azureus is uTorrent.
Why another LimeWire? What hackers would ever be even seen with it installed?
I understand about uTorrent and Azureus though…
gosh, what is this world coming to?
Meh, I like my Azureus as it is, and if the changes are too drastic for my liking I’ll just use utorrent.
Azureus was resource hogging garbage. Thank god it’s gone, now we can end the stupid Utorrent Azureus argument.
Utorrent FTW
Hence since they started with this Vuze crap I changed to uTorrent.
a big LOL at poster #25! You obviously don’t know people with 100mbit lines (like me!) who usually sprint ahead in torrent swarms to massively seed it back 10x then. Thanks for blocking out the good guys, a$swipe!
I think I’m one of many who ditched Azureus when Vuze was introduced. It’s not the sevice that’s the real problem, but how much resources Azureus takes up. I switched to utorrent and couldn’t believe the change.
For a lighter quicker client, I’m willing to sacrifice Vuze and a few pictorial representations of swarms…
This whole “social p2p” thing totally sounds like http://www.tribler.org/ to me.
Oh well, I’ll never use Azureus again.
I’ve been using uTorrent forever anyway.
Torrent users still use Azureus???
uTorrent FTW!!
Vuze was the best thing that ever happend to utorrent.
No need for other comments.
RIP Azureus.
:/
I understand that this is just a name change, but I do see a problem with all this new integrated “social” stuff. I just want to open up a torrent in a client and download it with as much control over it practically possible. I don’t want anything else.
I have no problem with others using these new social clients and such, but I just don’t want it to affect others who don’t want to.
> ” Azureus was resource hogging garbage. Thank god it’s gone, now we can end the stupid Utorrent Azureus argument.
Utorrent FTW”
Besides the fact that μTorrent is Windows only and closed source… I’d use it otherwise :)
Its open sourced and cross platform. And it’s not a resource hog. In addition, unlike transmission, it actually has a interface with information for intermediate to advanced users(although it does have a “nightly” build stripped down version where you can run the core and client separately), it has multiple plug-ins, which are not forced on you, and is resistant (not immune, resistant) to sandvine (main selling point for me) Downside is occasional crashes since it’s only at v.0.5.9.1V (nightly builds are at 0.6.0 which is a rewrite)
I wish utorrent was open source. I also wish it worked on linux. So far, I’ve been using transmission. Its really lite, but Its missing a few needed features. I hope they will come in time. I would never switch to azureus, because I remember using vuze for the first time and it was a terrible experience. The interface was clumsy, and it did take up more memory than other clients. Maybe having vuze be its own program is a step in the right direction. It isn’t the same as just regular torrent downloading, so maybe the project will take on a life of it’s own.
Like many of you I’ve switched over to uTorrent a long time ago. No way I’ll ever go back to Azureus/Vuze.
37: I have tried it, but I had problems with it - torrents were not saved through sessions (I would have to load them whenever I restarted the client) and I believe there was another problem but I forget it now. It didn’t seem to have quite the features of Azureus but it was fast and I liked the look of the interface (GTK+Clearlooks theme = :D!) - of course on top of the whole open source and cross platform thing.
Wow, sounds alot like Tribbler but with more shiny.
What a surprise.
The biggest reason I don’t use Azureus is because Java screws up my system clock and makes time progress 5 seconds for every 1 in real life. It was just an aside that utorrent loaded faster, used less resources, and was easier to use. Java is just a trainwreck.
If you can socialize it, you can monetize it. What else would their goal be with $24M in venture capital invested.
I’m sure Vuse will be popular, perhaps they’ll even make money and if they do I hope they find a way to pay the authors and publishers of the work their sharing.
To all of us who don’t want to follow the for-profit model, let’s look for the next innovation that continues the rise of non-commercial entertainment!
“In particular, we believe that by enabling users to share content and bandwidth through the “Friends” feature we are adding a completely new dimension to peer-to-peer - a new social dimension, or what we call ’social P2P’,” Gilles said.”
Um, no. I’m pretty sure Soulseek had that idea before ‘Vuze’ was a malevolent gleam in a bloat engineer’s eye.
I’m running Transmission in daemon mode on a 600MHz box with 248MB RAM and a CPU that draws 7 watts when pegged, and I use the Clutch interface to interact with it. Most of the time the CPU load is under 10%.
There is NO excuse for the bloat in the Azureus family.
@13. Everyone must leech until they get the full file, and they may not want the full file either, only parts of it. Who wants to download a 200 episode TV series when they only need 3 episodes? uTorrent allows for that. Also uTorrent prioritizes “leechers” over seeders, so one has no choice in who they connect to and the app decides. If you disconnect the “leechers”, that is harming the system, and you in fact are leeching until you gain the file, so would you like it if you were unable to start downloading anything because as a leecher you were disconnected or banned? That would be misuse and abuse of the protocol.
I’ll keep using my pre-Vuze version of Azureus.
As for the Vuze developers: You guys suck ass. No one asked for your Vuze shit. No one wants it either.
Azureus is open source so I hope some developers who aren’t fucked in the head will take it over. The Vuze wankers won’t be missed.
uTorrent needs kick and ban, better plugins, but until they sort out that out, we have old Azureus. It still works.
more fanboys defending their sworn cllients to the death, while the devs are happy chugging along in each other’s forums
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=26161
It’s good to see most of the people here share the same feeling I do: They are turning a nice client into a BLOATED piece of garbage. Their only intent with such a move seems to ‘imprision’ new users in such a idiotized UI so that they become limitedm, DEPENDANT and ignorant to the rest of bittorrent technology around the world, that is, away from forums, trackers and different clients. If you’re a minimalist savvy user, try µTorrent and you’ll certainly fall in love with it, like I did an year ago. RIP Azureus.
@#38 : why would you wanna use utorrent in linux when you can use rTorrent =n.n=
i really preffer it over any GUi client myself =n.n= and the controls are relatively easy too :)
I think it was about 2 years ago that my then Azureus client auto updated and surprised me with Vuze. I was so annoyed I switched to uTorrent. I don’t know what happened but if I left uTorrent on too long it would eventually cause my rig to slow to a crawl. Tried Transmission, ok but too minimalist. Went back to Azureus and learned how to turn off Vuze. Not perfect by any means, but for me, it works better.
“vuze has old classic interface, so whats a problem? u can just disable vuze interface in settings.”
id agree if they made it easier to choose interfaces. making users jump through hoops just sucks.
Azureus is open source. Its licensed under GPL. (same as Linux).
So…
(1) Learn Java
(2) Find source code for Azureus 2.5.0.4 and download it. (I can’t find it on their official website!)
(3) Improve and optimize it. Don’t put “social” features into it. Just clean up the code and tweak it.
(4) Distribute it as a new open source project that is a fork of Azureus code…Preferably under a new name!
Took one look at Vuze a while ago and got the fuck outa there…
http://www.FreetheScene.net
@52 - no, if you’re going to fork Azureus off at any point, do it at a much later release - there’s a massive amount of bugfixes and other stuff done to the Azureus side of things since then.
The main Azureus core and the old UI don’t rely on any of the Vuze stuff (that’s intentional) - which is why it’s been quite easy for people to release the NoVuze versions without having to touch the code.
Anyway - 2.5.0.4 has a bit of a daft hero status - it’s still got the Vuze code bundled in it. The only difference between that version and the next one (3.0.0.8) is that it has a 3 rather than a 2 for the version number.
If you *really* want the code before any of the Vuze stuff was added, you’d have to use 2.5.0.0. And like I said - the Azureus stuff has been separate for a long time, so there’s nothing stopping people forking from 3.1 if they don’t want the Vuze code (if I was going to fork, I’d use the 3.1 code).
Considering the virtually universal demand, I’d be surprised if no one has ever created a “Azureus Lite” version from the latest code with all the Vuse stuff stripped out.
Especially if it’s as easy as amc1 points out. I know that Emule has many unofficial “mod” clients under active development, so I can’t believe that the official Azureus/Vuse version is the only one being developed.
I think I remember reading in the leaked emails that MediaDefender had developed their own mod of Azureus.
@aussiebear get the bittyrant fork of Azureus 2.5: http://bittyrant.cs.washington.edu/
They never followed the path off a cliff for 3.0. Now I know why.
uTorrent works perfectly with linux: goto http://www.winehq.org/ and download.
appDB: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11692
Read this link on switching the UI and I laughed:
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Azureus_2_/_3_and_Vuze#Use_the_UI_Switcher
Many people must be giving the Vuze failboys hell over their new crap, but hey I guess they can’t give back the $$$ they took from some gullible VC dorks, so they have to pretend they’re doing something. Vuze is still fail.
@45, you are confusing leeching with leeching :)
The word have two meanings. The meaning you describe is that of someone who simply havn’t finished downloading everything.
However, the traditional (and more correct considering the origin of the word) meaning of the word leeching is someone who takes but doesn’t give back.
When the bittorrent protocol was created one of its main features which made it efficent was that by grouping many peers around a single group of files, you allowed capitalistic trading (tit-for-tat) which limited the effectivness of leechers.
Btw, anyone who tries to claim that e-mule has/had anything near a good capitalistic (trading) system don’t know what they are talking about. The priority system in e-mule is a big joke and always has been. You can’t even write an e-mule client that tries to prevent leeching because it will get banned from the offical boards.
Anyway, the bittorrent community isn’t much better. Fortunally we had a better start with the tit-for-tat system, but real improvements are often frowned upon such as the bittyrant client that tried to make real progress in preventing leechers, but instead managed to get grouped together with bitthief, which is a real leeching client. (Ok, partial blame for that on their poor choice of press release wording when they first released it)
Fuck all the vuze shit!
if my current vuze free version of azureus gets infected with all that bullshit social/content/”friends” shit I will strip it out and go utorrent.
I hate my real “friends” I dont want any more fukkin fake internet ones in my fucking Torrent client.
Haha, I didn’t think it was possible to make the Azureus client suck any more ass than it already did, but holy shit they found a way. I’m impressed.
@55 - I guess the reason why Azureus doesn’t have a “lite” fork (well, apart from those NoVuze mods) is because a lot of people have just been able to use the old interface in the existing program without the Vuze stuff included. I know a lot of people think that they’re forced into using it, or that the old interface is only available with some Vuze stuff included, but it isn’t true. A large number of users have learnt to just use the UI switcher to go to the old interface.
Although Azureus is still largely developed by people at Vuze Inc - there are a couple of people (namely myself and The_8472) who volunteer and work on the project (and still use the old interface) - if anyone is likely to start off a fork of Azureus, it would probably be one of us, but generally speaking, we’re OK with the current arrangement. Not always happy with everything, but happy enough.
I really don’t understand Azureus team. They made torrent client with most advanced options and attracted a lot of techy-guys (who didn’t mind resource usage), and then they make this “social” crap, like that’s what Azureus users need or want. They’re going against their community, their users, against themselves…
i don’t like vuze, too much of a resource hog.
hooray µtorrent
Quite to the contrary, I switched from utorrent to Azureus recently. Because Azureus is the only client I know which has awesome queuing abilities. I can allow all my torrents to seed without choking up the connection. (ie fixing ratio as well as following max simultaneous torrents rule on private trackers)
Vuze sucks!
Now there is no competition out there. utorrent is the ONLY option :(
Azureus was a shitty client (after all, it was written in Java) so I don’t miss it, there has long been lots of better clients out there, like utorrent and Transmission
People will need to upgrade the ram in order to use this shit!!
I think I’m in minority here when I say that I like the social aspect of bittorrent. I think moves like this help prepare the move bittorrent to the main stream.
“58 Jun 17, 2008 at 10:53 by Wildclaw”
nonsense… you know nothing about emule.
btw
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4136982/Azureus2.jar_v3.0.5.2_NoVuze
What a bummer, That BT client totally ROCKED.
JT
http://www.FireMe.To/udi
“64 Jun 17, 2008 at 14:09 by me
Vuze sucks!
Now there is no competition out there. utorrent is the ONLY option”
i just hate those nabs who whine about clients.
as a “PRO” torrent user i can say you truth about that…
1) if you are just “statistical” torrent user, uTorrent is good choice for you, it is miles ahead of Azureus/Vuze for downloads.
2) but Azureus/Vuze is light-years ahead of uTorrent for uploads.
so i use both them now, uTorrent for downloads, Azureus for uploads.
keep in mind Azureus can catch-up with uTorrent on (1) point, but uTorrent will never catch-up with Azureus on (2) point.
I haven’t regretted switching to utorrent for a second.
> “If you’re a minimalist savvy user, try µTorrent and you’ll certainly fall in love with it, like I did an year ago.”
Unless it doesn’t work on your operating system without wine.
Question to amc1: I use the newer versions of Azureus that have Vuze and I do turn Vuze off, does that mean that Vuze does not get loaded to the RAM at all when starting Azureus? I know this has likely been asked many times to you or other devs and it must be annoying (I didn’t know how to word it well when googling it), but I’m sure it will be easy to answer with a simple “yes” or “no” answer in a few seconds.
@62 and anyone else who mentioned resources:
Azureus is a heavier resource load than most other clients. It’s not, however, something that’s going to tax even a budget computer by modern standards. My home file server runs my client - it has a Barton 2500+ and 512MB of DDR1.
@72: Yes. Switching to the Classic UI means loading none of the additional UI stuff into memory. I wish I could put this into bigger letters for some of the other commenters.
@70: Good point! uTorrent could also catch Azureus in sheer customisation and configuration options, but it’d take them a while!
Meh, they can stick their Vuze crap where the sun doesn’t shine, i’ll keep using the old 2.5.0.4 until i find something better.
@72 - Nope, if you just use the classic UI, there isn’t any part of the Vuze stuff that gets loaded - so memory usage should be down and startup time will be a lot faster (in my experience any way).
I know Fishbowler has already answered your question, but I wrote this before I noticed - and besides, you might want an “official” answer. :)
I might need to revisit the wiki page I wrote a while ago for these sorts of questions…
For now, I’m going to stick with Azureus. Being open source is a big deal for me, and there has been quite a bit done in terms of 3rd party work for it. I have a rather cheap computer, and it doesn’t experience any problems running Azureus– what sort of rinky-dink PCs are folks running who need to worry about progs like this?
GIMME AZUREUS CLASSIC BACK NOW NOW NOW!!!
all i want is a client that WILL NOT BOG DOWN MY COMPUTER that includes all of the features as azureus that is NOT FUZE that’s available for macs.
the first thing azureus should do is to implement RSS feeds. LOOK HOW WELL UTORRENT IS DOING, AZUREUS. DO THAT!!!!!!! GIVE THE MAC USERS SOMETHING TO USE OTHER THAN FUCKING FUZE OR TRANSMISSION!
Now we get to have “Social” circles within our downloads.
Start a torrent and only seed to a select crowd. This will hurt the scene more then it will help it.
Also, can you say advertisers haven? More and more pay to download sites will love the new Vuze. It will be easy to only accept “paying customers” within your social circle.
I switched to UTorrent when they introduced Vuze. I saw this coming over a year ago.
I could never give up Sudoku plugin :D.
“EB” said:
> I switched to UTorrent when they
> introduced Vuze. I saw this coming
> over a year ago.
You didn’t find the UI switcher to keep the Classic UI?
Poor Azureus, was always my favourite client, even though I only planned to use it as my main BT client… soon…
But well, let’s look if anything interesting happens with the source code or Vuze, you never know, with the huge amount of people, who are living in the internet today…
I thought it was fixed in 0.5.9.1….at least, it was fixed for me….ahh well….
Can’t wait for deluge to reach v1.0.
Could you maybe find out how deluge is resistant to sandvining and incorporate it into Azureus? …..I’d make me more likely to switch back….or maybe incorporate a RST flag firewall (and I know the argument that everyone has to adopt it, but if its a mandatory update, and every client did it, wouldn’t everyone have adopted it?)
The main reason I’m pulling for deluge so much is that, well, side by side,
I get 45kb/s up on deluge (seeding, which I limited it to that) and a whopping 0kb/s up on Azureus….
Of course, its comcast’s fault something has to be done but nonetheless, deluge is/was resistant to sandvining without changing any of their code….
ans some peopel actually were complaiing that µTris is bloatware in µtorrent!
Know you know what useless stuff is: Vuze!
Vuze is fucked up BLOATWARE and vuze is silly dumb name! Like voze in german (cunt in english). Nasty “vuze developer” want to make big money, have big house, drive fast cars, meet asia & russia prostitute. I won’t install vuze crap!
what a shame, I wish uTorrent would come out with a mac client.
wow this new shit sucks where are all my torrentz in advance editor damn i want my old froggy back
them this sucks where are all my torrentz in advanced view i want my old froggy back
@86: Are you still having this problem in the latest Az release?
There was something that Deluge was doing which made it immune to some throttling (which the Az and UT devs worked on to figure out what it was, and it was eventually included in both clients)… if it still doesn’t work in the latest version, post a message in our forums and we’ll take it from there.
simple is best. got to the point i could do nothing when azureus running. i bailed to ktorrent, although i loved those early days with the frog.
µtorrent 1.6 = 0% CPU
azureus whatever = 12% cpu
-> azureus ? lol
Why is everyone so pissed, etc.? Just switch the UI back to the classic Azureus-style interface.
But I agree… they should put Vuze on hold and remove some of the bloat.
@ Wolvish
It is highly doubtable that they’re going to sit on all the commercial objectives and corolary developments they have made just so that old azureus users can keep doing stuff without it to bring them money. So probably, in the next versions, there won’t be a “classic” ui anymore.
Or then, venture capitalism has changed since I have left the industry.
So, it’s high time to bury azureus in the common grave with napster, audiogalaxy and all the other forgotten dinosaurs.
Thanks for doing this. :)
Azureus WAS hands-down the best BT-Client out there; then they sold their soul to Satan (RIAA, MPAA, et. al. :( ) filled their noteworthy product with spyware, advertising, and other extraneous **** and renamed it “VUZE”! :’(
For that momentous occasion, I have composed a poem (of sorts), with substantial literary license taken:
Every time I hear the name “VUZE”,
I think I’m going to blow a “FUZE”,
This new bloatware REALLY gives me the “BLUZE”,
The only thing it does past harming us consumers is “CONFUZE”,
The US Business Establishment just keeps tightening the “SCRUZE”,
We need to watch our filesharing security steps and never “SNUZE”,
Because, then, as we all well know, we “LUZE”.
Well, I think you get my point…..
But wait, did you read the “NUZE”?
Even in the latest “VUZE”,
The developers do let you “CHOOZE”,
The interface you want to “UZE”,
Even the one from version “TUZE”,
(If that’s really what you want to “DUZE”.)
See, I can write crappy poems too.
@71
What did I say about e-mule that was incorrect?
The queue system is a joke. It highly rewards those who queue up lots of files and have their computers on and connected 24/7. Actually uploading is a minor factor. Sure, it helps, but not enough to set your upload to higher than 10kB/s. Which is a big reason why all high speed connections have moved on to bittorrent where you can actually feel like you get rewarded for handing out bandwidth.
Oh, and don’t think of even trying to modify the client to actually reward those who share. Tit-for-tat or any kind of actually efficent algorithm is strictly forbidden by the offical e-mule boards.
Their motto when trying to suggest efficency improvements is basically “emule is for sharing not trading” and “trading hurts file diversity”.
Quote from faq:
“Any tit-for-tat like systems might improve the download of the files you are downloading now, but this will hurt the file diversity in eMule(like bittorrent, where files die after 2-4 weeks )”
Their argument using bittorrent is of course pure bullshit. First of all 2-4 weeks is an exaggeration. Second, the reason being tit-for-tat is just a plain lie (intentional or not). Files disappearing from bittorrent has everything to do with how bittorrent is centralized around sharing specific torrent files instead of sharing all files you have.
Sharing random files (as in all your media files) on bittorrent is basically a pain in the ass. That is the real reason for networks like e-mule having more and rarer files.
Finally, even if you don’t agree with everything I said, the main point is pretty obvious. E-mule and their “sharing not trading” philosophy is neither capitalistic nor efficent.
Awesome.
stupid move what is the point of making it social?
I for one still appreciate Azureus/Vuze. The idea of running portable, open source software seals the deal. I do use the classic UI only for now. I like the techy look.
If Vuze devs are reading: Thanks for your work!
Thanks fred — much appreciated!
went to utorrent years ago
You can totally keep using the good-old advanced Azureus interface and ditch the Vuze features completely.
I’ve tried uTorrent, and its interface sucks. It’s for warez kiddies. Vuze 3.1 in advanced mode, ignoring all the sell-out features, is good-old Azureus, and on my PC it works great, and it’s very fast.
Definitely the wrong move.
First time I saw Vuze when I thought I had installed Azureus, my first impressions was they sold out and now it’s full of adware. After checking that it wasn’t (I still fell that they sold out), I reinstall it and we still very pissed that. Even with the classic UI I’m still unconfortable with it being Vuze with the classic UI.
Now after hearing that it only going to get worse from here on and even more shit is going to be added, I think I’m going to switch to utorrent or another.
IMHO, fuck you Vuze.
I agree that the Vuze default blows hard, but once you configure it to use the old interface 2.x then its all good. I still use it on OS X(way better than transmission) and I prefer it over utorrent on my windows and ubuntu machines.
Get used to the vuze name and learn to change the default menu interface whiners.
This sucks! I don’t want to have to switch clients because of this crap their making us use. Hopefully they will see that this will not work and scrap this bad idea.
VUZE SUCKS BUTT
Utorrent gains another
LOL, Vuse will NEVE die. IN fact, Vuse will Take over the World!
JT
http://www.FireMe.to/udi
Depending on license Azureus was released, and on the fact if Vuze really wants to abandon Azureus name, it is possible that Azureus will be resurrected by someone else.
That happened with Mozilla Suite -> Seamonkey.
Deluge - It’s the only safe option now.
do your research
µTorrent aka BitTorrent Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent%2C_Inc.
According to the Company’s website, the company has announced partnerships with some 60 companies,[4][5] including:
* 20th Century Fox[6]
* Comedy Central[7]
* Lionsgate Films[8]
* MTV[9]
* Paramount[10]
* Spike TV[11]
* Warner Brothers[12]
* Netgear[13]
* Buffalo[14]
* D-Link[15]
Really… lets just go ahead and add Home Spy Land Security to that list as well.
Seems to me, most people dislike (to put it mildly) Vuze and want Azureus back. I know thats the case with me.
I was a very happy Azureus user, then one day after an update, my Azureus was gone and this monstrosity called Vuze was in it’s place. After doing some research and finding out what happened. I uninstalled the piece of crap and downloaded Bittyrant which is a modified azureus client. Been using bittyrant ever since and very happy with it.
I even get 100+ KBps upload speed with it (even when only seeding) when all other clients get sandvined to death. (I use Comcast)
Vuze ftl
Bittyrant ftw
So much for that 34 million dollars down the drain. Should have stayed open source and user oriented vs going commercial and feature/bloat oriented. You’d think they were taken over by Microsoft…
I like the idea of having a way to search torrent sites inside of the program…and the fact that you can add your own is really cool. Fpr those people complaining about it using to much system resources, you must all be crazy. I use Vuze almost everyday and it isn’t that large of a resource hog….or maybe it’s ’cause I have a computer that’s newer then five years old. Go out and buy a new compie. It’s about time for yours to be replaced if it can’t run Vuze.
I quit using azureus when they started making the other application. It was quite clear to see the direction they were going and thats not what i’m looking for in a client.
“30 Jun 17, 2008 at 00:23 by Vince
a big LOL at poster #25! You obviously don’t know people with 100mbit lines (like me!) who usually sprint ahead in torrent swarms to massively seed it back 10x then. Thanks for blocking out the good guys, a$swipe!”
If that was true, then most people in the swarm would be near the percentage of this alleged 100mbit user who allegedly will seed back at 10x. That never happens and 9 times out of 10 they leave as soon as they hit 100 percent. Do you even know what BitThief is? There are a lot of real leechers who use it. It downloads from everyone and doesn’t give back a single byte.
Since I’m an asswipe, then you must be the asshole — I wipe you from the swarm when seeding with a kick-and-ban capable client because you don’t give back while leeching. Fuck you and people like you.
Um, bittyrant, anyone? I’ve been happily using it and enjoying it’s freeness for a long time now.
b**l s**t it’s dead, haven’t upgraded mine since they launched the vuze app and don’t plan on it any time soon. Long Live Azureus.
When the devs announced that they were going to try monetizing Azureus, I knew that it was only a matter of time before they did to Azureus what money has already done to so many other programs out there.
Look at Bittorrent, realplayer, hell even look at winamp .. and you’ll see the same thing happen: a simple UI gets turned into glossedover crap, tons of pointless features get added and the memory requirements skyrocket. Then people abandon the application and nobody cares about it ever again.
However, due to the fact that users now can choose to prioritize Vuzes own clients via “friends bandwidth sharing” .. Vuze is severely going to imbalance all the swarms it participates in, making it the next bitcomet shitfest.
I suspect that Vuze will be banned from most private trackers within a month.. die Vuze, DIE!
UTorrent FTW!
> “When the devs announced that they were going to try monetizing Azureus, I knew that it was only a matter of time before they did to Azureus what money has already done to so many other programs out there.”
It’s possible, but not for sure. It’s fine now (with vuze being optional to even load) but there is a worry for the future, certainly.
Add an RIAA/MPAA gimp as your “friend” today!.
This won’t work. No one needs a client to find torrents. Some tard with too much money just lost his 30mil.
Vuze integrated is good.(PERIOD)
> stupid move what is the point of making it social?
“RIAA wants to be your Vuze Friend. [Yes] [Yes] [Remind Me Later]”
I turned off auto-updates on my Azureus and have been Vuze free. A friend of mine left it turned on and one day she found her PC infected by Vuze shit. No question. This is RamItDownYourFuckingThroatWare(TM).
Those of you who are really bothered about Open Source, or are on Linux, like me, Azureus is not the only option.
Transmission is a pretty good lightweight client, and I would use it if it didn’t lack DHT.
Deluge is probably the best midrange client, for people who want a few extra options, and its plugin system means it could theoretically have any options you want.
There are also a few other ones that I haven’t tried but that could be okay. I briefly tried KTorrent, it seemed pretty well featured and if I could stand KDE apps I might have used it.
i’ll pass
looks sorta like limewire… yuech….
wow all the hate for the dev.
i preferred other clients over azureus for some time, the simplist being less resources and not needing to constantly maintain/update java. cross-platform was the key thing.
i admire what they are doing (trying to make a buck) but they would really help by making a slim package based on the older UI with the simple fixes.
forking isn’t *that* bad to do. have them take someone who has a wild hair up their ass, sit down for a week, and rip out the vuze stuff… but still pitch vuze somehow on the real azureus client.. this keeps everyone happy and doesn’t have people constantly rip vuze a new butthole every time there is a release update announced on any BT site.
/my 2c
hah…well utorrent can now start enjoying more market share. With this Vuze crap in place the developers seem to have completely lost focus of the original idea: a BT client!
long live uTorrent!
What, you mean when the update dialog comes up I can’t click cancel… Leaving me with… regular azureus?
Word.
@130 - I wrote this massive wiki article ages ago which answers a lot of the questions and suggestions people have made:
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Azureus_2_/_3_and_Vuze
There’s not really any need for a slim package, despite what people think - they can just use the switcher and then use the old interface without the Vuze stuff loaded. It works out to be the same thing really…
@133
The devs mannaged to enrage a good portion of their user base by changing focus from being just a good BT client to being perceived as a commercial online media distribution network. It didn’t help that the way most users were ‘informed’ about this change was via a surprise in the form of installing and expecting some familiar.
“Oh, I need Azureus”
downloads via goolging Azureus or old an bookmark
assumes he’s installing Azureus, but gets Vuzes instead
“Welcome to Vuze? Wait, WTF is this shit?”
Becomes angry, turns in to troll
Thanks AMC1 for that FAQ, it kinda calmed me down after I installed ‘Azureus’. But after this latest bout of “we’re adding more [crap]“, I’m starting to looking around from a new client.
It seeming more and more likely that Azureus/Vuze inc. will pull a Nullsoft, sellout, and fully become junkware.
Fotze? Did you research your name properly? You are now spreading a Cunt client. Nice one!
Interestingly enough, I just saw a forum site with a thread about the new Azureus (I’m still going to call it that) and almost everyone has rave reviews of it (though I’m sure they’re talking about the actual Azureus part, not the Vuze part).
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Azureus_2_/_3_and_Vuze#blah_blah_corporate_blah
Excellent XD
obviously no one here has tried the new client. it now searches other torrents site so you’re now no longer stuck with only vuze content. you can also watch and browse youtube from its client.
I switched to transmission (Mac), I hated vuse.
Oh my god,
you really can see that 90% of Torrentfreak readers have serious problems reading and understanding the Wiki in which everything is explained. What a Shame…..
utorrent rules ! Azureus is a memory consumption machine
To amc1 (et al):
Are you deliberately flying in the face of popular opinion - or are you simply obtuse? Can you _really_ not hear the vast majority of ex- (or soon-to-be ex-) Azureus users’ moans & grumbles regarding the ‘enhancements’, i.e. Vuze?
Nobody - let me repeat that - /NOBODY/ wants what you’re doing to Azureus.
AFAICT, this is simply a cynical commercial strategy - & it’s gonna be the death of a once-decent client…
@142
Actually, they do have some users that like the new stuff, but I expect that they are all new users. Old users would have not have noticed the Vuze changeover till they reinstalled Azureus and, like me, be shocked by what had been going on for about the past year without their knowledge.
It would be like Firefox selling out to MS and you would know it until you reinstall it and the default are the IE7 theme, no address bar and tabbing is disabled. But in the case of FF, the media coverage would be much greater.
@133 (and @143) - I’m not gonna argue with either of you regarding the fact that there’s a real lack of obvious indication that the classic UI is there. That’s something that should have been sorted out a long long time ago - a non-obvious Wiki link and a buried menu option isn’t good enough. So I’ll agree with you on that one.
Existing az2 users should have still gotten the classic interface when they updated - I know a few didn’t (for some reason), not sure why that was. Of course it doesn’t really help when you’re reinstalling…
And, although I keep making this point - should the classic UI be removed, or a whole bunch of junk be onto it (which there really are no plans to do), then I would quit the project (and very likely release a fork). And even if I’m not entirely happy with everything, I’m satisfied enough with the way things are.
After all - I’m still a classic UI user (and have been for about 4 years) and a volunteer dev - if I thought things were as bad as other people do, then I wouldn’t still be on the project.
@142 - your comments are wasted on me since I don’t work on the Vuze side of things. But, we do get usage information sent back to us from the clients, which includes the interface that people are using. And there are a *lot* of people using the new one (as well as quite a lot of people using the old one). So I’ll have to disagree with your statement that “nobody” wants it.
The UI switcher really needs to be easier to find. When I install it on that new computer, it took a good 20 minutes to find the wiki entry, and at that time it only said this:
“Making Vuze look like the Classic UI
There are options available in Vuze to make it look and act just like Classic UI. Naturally, we recommend you keep the Vuze interface visible and go to the advanced view when needed. That way, you can see the progression of the Vuze interface. Someday it may even be something you’ll want to use.”
@145 - that bit of text in the wiki was written before the UI switcher was introduced. But yeah, the UI switcher is too hard to find - I’ll push as hard as I can to get something more appropriate in place in future.
Eh, Java sucks. On a matter of principle i refuse to use anything java based do to its poor and/or crippled resource management and usage.
utorrent has a few issues in my book, but its biggest perk is the antithesis of Azureus/Vuze weakest trait: it’s efficient. And, unless the new vuze can make me a coffee while it does everything else, it’s just not worth it. I can already share my torrents and communicate effectively among friends, so i fail to see the point of this whole “Social” P2P client. I mean, isn’t P2P, by definition, a social network?
its not just the UI switcher, I think the entire config menu needs to be redone somehow (the tree thingy)…its just too time consuming to find practically anything not obvious..I like the search option…perhaps make it smarter, so that I can search for specific OPTIONS to modify, instead of the group/tab/whatever they are under which I wouldn’t know….
Guys, are you really saying “content distribution platform”, “$34 million venture capital”, “all-in-one application for finding, playing and sharing” and “new social dimension”?.. This stinks. Really. I switched to mlDonkey (old fan-less PC as 24/7 fileserver is comfortable) before even Azureus 2.5 was out. But it is really sad to see good project degrading to just another Web2.0-Social-HiDefStreaming-OnlineFriendFinder bullshit.
fork fork fork
Vuze was one of the many nails in the Azureus coffin for me. Vuze is just more bloat on top of an already bloated Azureus. I like how social the web is getting, but torrent clients do not need a social aspect.
Well… I’m not sure about the customizable search (customizable is always nice) but the friends thing… Someone pointed out that when Bitcomet was accused of favoring peers, it was called cheating, now that Vuze has a configurable “favoring” plugin, it’s called a feature. I haven’t used BC since 0.56 (the new version are so much bloat and ad, I’d actually choose Vuze cause its ads look better). Not sure how RIAA could have access to that list though, unless it’s been kept on the Vuze server. The whole “Social Vuze” concept is questionable at best.
Then there’s resource hogging. To the ones who say they have no resource hogging, I consider 50-100MBs AT LEAST on a 512-1024MB RAM for a SIMPLE TORRENT CLIENT utterly ridiculous. As it is, the new Vuze drains at the very least 200MBs on Ubuntu with just 7 finished torrents on the list, 2 of which are seeding, scaling up to 300, before I restarted it, so it might scale higher. In my Linux usage, the hogging as it is right now is bearable, based on the simple facts that, unless you have Cedega, you can’t play anything on Ubuntu that’s gonna compete with Vuze for resources.
In my Windows experience however, games drop to a staggering 5> FPS at regular intervals when Vuze is running. Something that does NOT happen with Deluge or uTorrent. So yeah, an otherwise pathetic system with just 512MB RAM could, maybe, support Vuze, since it can hardly do anything else, so resources are always free. But a 4GB C2D having resource issues with Azureus is totally unacceptable. Or is it Windows fault? How come uTorrent and Deluge behave normally?
I will note however, than, at least in Ubuntu, it uses practically no CPU. But yeah, if you’re doing something that requires resources, especially in Windows, you’re much better off with another client, and a TORRENT EXCLUSIVE client at that (which neither Vuze nor Bitcomet actually are anymore).
As for the Vuze VS bought uTorrent, having an opensource corporate bloatware versus a closed sourced corporate client… If I can’t help it, I’d go with the feature-rich lighter client. Pity Deluge is still kinda buggy in all its instances and Transmission lacks so much in the feature department, it makes uTorrent seem like Vuze, only without the memory hogging.
is it really necessary to create a myspace just to download torrents…no…azureus is already bloated enough and this is so irrelevant to what anybodys going to use it for, torrents
post no 148 was supposed to be ‘@amc1′ not amc1, wasn’t written by him/her…I usually use the name section as a header…sorry for any confusion
If anyone was watching the user count. It’s going up fast. :P
Vuze rules!
utorrent owns all end of discussion.
I can’t speak for uTorrent, but i really enjoy all the features of Azureus. However, after opening Vuze for the first time, my mouth dropped.. I switched it back to the classic interface so fast, i never want to see Vuze ever again. Reminds me of all the kiddie junk like Limewire, eMule, Morpheus, Kazaa, Bearshare, imesh, WinMX, when they all changed for the worse.. Well, it could be time to get out, but I’ll stick by the classic UI..
Why would i want to be social butterfly with public torrent people? I feel that there are too many leeches. Wouldn’t you join a Private Torrent site to interact with others of like interests? Hmm, I’d join a group before touching Vuze again.
FAIL
I use Azureus and now they are turning it into some gimicky thing for real. I’m not a big fan of uTorrent and Deluge does bizarre things to well…everything. So it sounds like I am running out of options.
I’ve just read your faq. Seems to me you wasted time writing it, since you have completely forgotten what people expect from a p2p soft :
resources-light, safe, no needless shit in it.
You’ve lost it on the 3 points. Pity. Start counting, when no one uses your crapware and Vuze is banned from all the private trackers, you’ll regret your misplaced irony.
@159: What’s your point?
resource light:
Azureus has never been light on resources - we’re a lot better than we have been in the past (at least in the classic UI), but we’ll never match UT, for example.
safe:
What the hell does that mean?
no needless shit:
Sure, we can tear massive amounts of stuff out - we can remove large numbers of options and features that people don’t NEED but they might WANT.
So what’s your point - that all the new Vuze stuff is crap (in which case you can just not use it - like the FAQ says repeatedly), or you’re just applying it to the existing Azureus code (in which case, what’s it got to do with my FAQ?)
And the only thing that’s ironic here is your use of the phrase “misplaced irony”, since your use of the word “irony” is… well… misplaced.
Now - as I’ve pointed out repeatedly here, if you don’t want to use it, you don’t have to. I didn’t write any of this functionality, and I don’t use it. I don’t use the new interface, and it doesn’t get loaded.
Point is easy, dude :
I’ve never really used Azureus since it was always using far too much resources and java is teh crap. And thanks, I always had a good CPU, but for 700+ torrents Azureys was just THE joke.
I’m just trying to show you why your crapware is gonna massively fail.
Of course you might gather lots of useless users. Those who don’t give a damn about sharing, don’t understand shit about nothing and so on.
The internet is full of coders who once thought they were more clever than their users. Now they are completely forgotten, and nobody gives attention to their “best product in the world”.
It’s a pity that you think some dollars prove you’re right. When I was in the internet business, before the bubble exploded, there were many arrogant morons like your team who thought they had reinvented powder. Guess where they are now ?
Good luck anyway.
@161 - Oh I see. So your point is - all we’ve written is crap, all our users are idiots, all the developers are egotistical maniacs and we don’t care whatsoever about users.
To be honest - I would be embarrassed to be *that* patronising. But hey ho, each to their own.
Now - the whole Vuze business thing might work, or it might not. Doesn’t affect me greatly, since I’m not involved with it. But if users don’t want to use any of it - they don’t have to.
i didn’t even know it was a ‘different’ program until i noticed the name was different. it looks and acts exactly the same as before.
why…would….you….sanely….want to run 700 torrents at the same time? Clear out some of the older torrents!!!
As for features you don’t need….they could always be made into lots of plug-ins, but if you want that, do it yourself instead of complaining, Azureus is open source (I think). Azureus isn’t a “light” client, never was. If you want something like that without doing it yourself, use utorrent or better yet transmissions. Deluge is more of a middle client (has plug-ins for advanced stuff but lacking in things)
Not everyone has the same needs as you. I for one don’t need a light client on the desktop, but have to use a light one on my laptop (sad my Xp laptop died…used to be able to run Azureus with no problem. Now I’m stuck with a Vista laptop that can barely run utorrent)
bye bye vuze.. and goodnight
niniff.com/?YIT
First :
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4248208/Azureus_3.1.0.0%5BNoVuze%5D_
next : amc1, you truly do write crappy poems, almost as bad as Vuze.
You are all over the Internets defending this POS known as “Vuze” .
Do you think the marketing-guys will actually start to pay you one day if you suck up to them long enough ?
Last : Azureus NoVuze is here to stay. Now that Sun has open-sourced
Java I’m planning on releasing a complete version with a stripped-down Java that will only include the files needed to run Azureus.
PS : To the people complaining about
resource-usage : It’s not correct that
Azureus uses all the memory you claim.
It’s Java running Azureus but since the Azureus-launcher “hijacks” the process-name it’s easy to think that it’s just Azureus. A better way to judge Azureus’s usage is to install the monitoring-plugin . You will find that Azureus itself is actually quite modest in it’s resource-usage .
I have a alpha-version of the java-bundled Azureus mentioned in the previous post. It uses between
40&70 MB depending on how many plugins are enabled .
Vuze = Completely pointless piece of shit.
Bring back classic Azureus.
Will now need to find a new client.
@167 - err.. the poem was intentionally crappy - to mock the other one.
I’m not sucking up to anyone - as you damn well know, if I don’t like some of the things that are going on, then I make my feelings known. My point has always been - if you don’t want to use the Vuze part, you don’t have to - you can switch. The reason that I’ve never liked the NoVuze part is because it makes people believe that your solution is the only way to avoid using the Vuze stuff - which it isn’t.
Of course, now’s the first time where there’s actually something different - the name of the application. :) I look forward to seeing how that stripped down Java thing comes along.
I do believe that peter84peter just won the game.
Let’s try and post a comment again.
peter84peter - I’m not trying to “suck” up to anyone. You already know that if I have problems with anyone that I mention it.
Anyway, I look forward to seeing how that stripped down Java thing turns out. Is that actually going to reduce the memory usage?
“Gah I hate this Vuze shit, just give us the standard Azureus back.”
The beauty of open source is that you can get a copy of the Azureus source (without that Vuze garbage in it) and fork your own client.
I switched from Azureus to uTorrent because Vuze is hideous. This is a really bad move on Azureus’ part.
I guess beggars can be choosers
I like Azureus more than uTorrent for its feature expandability and open source roots. I think I will just remove Vuze because it doesn’t suit me much. As long as the client functions I’m happy.
After you strip the Vuze later or are upgrading it isn’t in your face I didn’t notice any obvious changes except that it was called Vuze now. The version ID still registers as Azureus I figure for the sake of private trackers but it seems to work fine.
Plus 3GB RAM + QuadCore AMD should be able to run a damn torrent client lol.
amc1 wrote : “Anyway, I look forward to seeing how that stripped down Java thing turns out. Is that actually going to reduce the memory usage?”
Yes it will, it’s based on the Java early-access version that is a bit less hungry and starts A LOT faster.
It will also significantly reduce the number of files.
A default Sun-JRE has more than 600 files, the stripped Java has just 102 atm and only takes up 24.9 MB on disk.
Who care anyway? I use classic UI. Already seeding at full speed.
I have been uploaded more than 80++GB when I start using Azureus Vuze.
The main reason I use Azureus is the powerful protocol encryption. Plus, I2P & Tor Network supported.
My total seeding ratio is 3.589 for more than 50++ torrents.
You see Vuze is still superb like Azureus. My internet connection only DSL 512Kbps Down & 256Kbps Up.
So here I am, happily using Azureus 2.5.0.4, when I happen to mention it to my friend who lives in Windoze-land. And he’s like, ‘isn’t that the old name for Vuze?’ So I go and check out the Vuze website, and my very first thought is: “What is this kiddie-pr0n graphical gimicky web-two-point-ohh myface crap?” Followed shortly by my second thought: “Shit, they’ve sold out to the RIAA.”
The more I’ve researched it, the more it does look like a sell-out. Not surprising that it’s no longer open source (don’t ever say ‘not fully open source’ — if part of it is closed, then it’s NOT open).
@amc1: Why do you spend so much time trying to convince people, who think Vuze sucks ass, that in fact it’s really cool? Are you paid by the company? Do you *want* to be paid by the company? Did you personally write some of the Vuze myface gimmickry? Yes, dude, I have heard a dozen times about the UI-switcher. I don’t care. It’s not just the gui — it’s the whole selling-out fuck-the-community thing.
It’s a shame what’s been done to Azureus. It was a good client when run on a system w/ adequate resources to support Java apps comfortably. Vuze sucks my neighbor’s dog’s ass. I eagerly await peter84peter’s NoVuze + stripped Java release.
tortoise - why are you so lazy reading my comments? How many times do I have to say that I DON’T USE THE VUZE STUFF MYSELF? Show me where I’ve said that I think any of the Vuze stuff is cool.
And it’s not closed source. What’s closed about it? You can run both the old and new interface from the source code on Sourceforge.
Oh, and the whole Vuze side of things allow some of the developers who’ve been volunteering their time for free over the years to actually make a living. They also get time to improve the core and the old interface too.
So - generally speaking - as an old interface user myself, the only Vuze things that I have to put up with are (1) the fact the program name has changed, and (2) the fact that I have to use the UI switcher once when installing the program to get to the old interface. And that’s it - I can carry on just as before.
And that’s it. If that’s an attempt at “fuck-the-community”, it’d be a pretty rubbish one.
Oh, and I don’t know what’s so magic about 2.5.0.4 - that’s got Vuze code in it (or Zudeo as it was known then - look in the JAR file, there’s a file called zudeo_logo.png in there).
Not sure what the difference is between you using 2.5.0.4 with the old interface (which has got Vuze code in it, but it isn’t loaded) and me using 3.1 with the old interface (which has got Vuze code in it, but it isn’t loaded). Maybe it’s a fear of the number three.
i fired up the ‘ol blue frog after a long hiatus and got notices sayin that the core needs updating — so i said what the heck and ok — but then i remembered the adage if it aint broke, don’t feck wit it
but so far, i am happy to report it looks and works the same as b4, so i don’t understand the hullabaloo about the vuze transition — nice froggy
Yeah, Deluge? Right. Deluge is well…deluged with bugs. It works for some, but many have the dreaded “not enough space” error.
And come on, people. Vuze comes with the UI chooser, in which it says “use classic - will not load Vuze application layer”. What more do you want?
http://rapidshare.de/files/39822270/azureusNOTv_ze-3100.jar.7z.html
i’ll switch to utorrent when i vuze breaks or i reformat. dumb idea changing the name and adding all that vuze crap in the first place but im too lazy to switch right now :)
I can’t believe people are so fucking lazy and so ungrateful… Why are you crying for some 100Mb of memory, 2 Gigs of memory is enough to handle anything, and if you can’t afford that then your a fucking BUM!!. I mean if developers/ex developers of Azureus have done intense work for “FREE” to bring you a solution so you can fucking download anything you want for 5 fucking years!, then don’t you think it will be grateful to use Vuze or at least install and use the classic UI then, so you can still fucking download things for free from the work of others?….
Will you develop and update a software for your neighbors for free for 5 years??….
Jesuss!!.. like if it ware some kind BSOD bug or something!.
PS: “I’m really starting to believe those conspiracy theorist that the population is being dumbed down”
I’m Comp-TIA A+ Certified
Network + Certified, so bring it on you smart asses!!.
I, for one, welcome our new Vuze overlords.
But in all seriousness. I’m on a Mac these days. I’m *thankful* that there’s a decent client like Azu– Vuze for us to use. I’ve been using the “classic” interface since day one. I’ll keep using it as long as I can continue using the 2.x interface. If they take away the option to use the classic interface, it’s getting uninstalled though.
I’d hate to have to install Windows on my Mac to use µtorrent. I used µtorrent on my PC because it was so light on resources and my PC was slow and Java brought it to it’s knees. On my Mac though, Vuze works swiftly and the latest updates have been smooth as buttermilk cream.
@ amc1,
I’m embarrassed at the other idiots in the torrent community. I’m amazed that these 4ssholes are able to use the fracking internet, much less install torrents. Some of these guys are the same dummies who ask in torrent comments how to play RAR files in Windows Media Player.
@bizzybot - thanks for the comments. :)
I’ve written this page on the Wiki - I hope that it makes it more obvious how to get the “old” Azureus back. They say - a picture is worth a thousand words…
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/The_Azureus_Experience
can any one suggest me a good torrent client..am nu in this regard..pls help me friends..
for those looking for the version of utorrent before Strigeus sold out. You can find it here:
utorrent1.6
http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=utorrent
Follow the money. Venture capitalists don’t invest tens of millions of dollars in a project if they don’t expect to get a return on their investment. So where does this money come from? What will they get in return? All of these “social” developments seem more than a bit suspect to me. Myspace, Facebook, now Vuse.. Google the term “total information awareness” I want a client that is quick, light, anonymous & has some good, basic features. I’ll do my socializing over a beer with friends.
Wow. I DL Vuze, and it crashes when I open it. Great client.
@121 - “I suspect that Vuze will be banned from most private trackers within a month.. die Vuze, DIE!”
A month later - has that happened? No.
(Yes, I know no-one is listening to m comment…)
i think their gonna tank, it’s not a good combination. i wanna have my torrents downloading and not pay attention to the client.
why does everyone want to rule the world?
oh those venture capitalists can kiss their millions goodbye. i hope anyway, they deserve it for killing a fine piece of software.
Vuze if a pile of fucking shit. I will be moving to Utorrent very soon to save pc resources
Wow, azereus’ resource consumption was bearable when it was alone, but now it’s complete shit with all the pointless vuze software. And why in the world would I want to make friends over torrents? Im switching to utorrent immediately.
You can turn off the Vuze content layer pretty easily and when it’s off when you upgrade the only thing you notice is that the client is called Vuze. I use the NoVuze jars for the sake of having the old name because I’m anal but the client works fine.
My Asus 1000H works fine with U-torrent and the Pirate Bay. Vuze is just tou bloathed. I have been using Azereus since a couple of years but since June it has turned in to some kind of multi media DRM portal i don't want to have.
I just want to download new episodes of Dexter because you can't see them on Dutch,Belgian,German and English public tv.
I don't want to be annoyed with stuff I don't want or need by some freakin'update.
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