why does everyone want to rule the world?

oh those venture capitalists can kiss their millions goodbye. i hope anyway, they deserve it for killing a fine piece of software.

A month later – has that happened? No.
(Yes, I know no-one is listening to m comment…)

utorrent1.6
http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=utorrent

I’ve written this page on the Wiki – I hope that it makes it more obvious how to get the “old” Azureus back. They say – a picture is worth a thousand words…

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/The_Azureus_Experience

But in all seriousness. I’m on a Mac these days. I’m *thankful* that there’s a decent client like Azu– Vuze for us to use. I’ve been using the “classic” interface since day one. I’ll keep using it as long as I can continue using the 2.x interface. If they take away the option to use the classic interface, it’s getting uninstalled though.

I’d hate to have to install Windows on my Mac to use µtorrent. I used µtorrent on my PC because it was so light on resources and my PC was slow and Java brought it to it’s knees. On my Mac though, Vuze works swiftly and the latest updates have been smooth as buttermilk cream.

@ amc1,
I’m embarrassed at the other idiots in the torrent community. I’m amazed that these 4ssholes are able to use the fracking internet, much less install torrents. Some of these guys are the same dummies who ask in torrent comments how to play RAR files in Windows Media Player.

Will you develop and update a software for your neighbors for free for 5 years??….

Jesuss!!.. like if it ware some kind BSOD bug or something!.

PS: “I’m really starting to believe those conspiracy theorist that the population is being dumbed down”

I’m Comp-TIA A+ Certified
Network + Certified, so bring it on you smart asses!!.

And come on, people. Vuze comes with the UI chooser, in which it says “use classic – will not load Vuze application layer”. What more do you want?

but so far, i am happy to report it looks and works the same as b4, so i don’t understand the hullabaloo about the vuze transition — nice froggy

And it’s not closed source. What’s closed about it? You can run both the old and new interface from the source code on Sourceforge.

Oh, and the whole Vuze side of things allow some of the developers who’ve been volunteering their time for free over the years to actually make a living. They also get time to improve the core and the old interface too.

So – generally speaking – as an old interface user myself, the only Vuze things that I have to put up with are (1) the fact the program name has changed, and (2) the fact that I have to use the UI switcher once when installing the program to get to the old interface. And that’s it – I can carry on just as before.

And that’s it. If that’s an attempt at “fuck-the-community”, it’d be a pretty rubbish one.

Oh, and I don’t know what’s so magic about 2.5.0.4 – that’s got Vuze code in it (or Zudeo as it was known then – look in the JAR file, there’s a file called zudeo_logo.png in there).

Not sure what the difference is between you using 2.5.0.4 with the old interface (which has got Vuze code in it, but it isn’t loaded) and me using 3.1 with the old interface (which has got Vuze code in it, but it isn’t loaded). Maybe it’s a fear of the number three.

The more I’ve researched it, the more it does look like a sell-out. Not surprising that it’s no longer open source (don’t ever say ‘not fully open source’ — if part of it is closed, then it’s NOT open).

@amc1: Why do you spend so much time trying to convince people, who think Vuze sucks ass, that in fact it’s really cool? Are you paid by the company? Do you *want* to be paid by the company? Did you personally write some of the Vuze myface gimmickry? Yes, dude, I have heard a dozen times about the UI-switcher. I don’t care. It’s not just the gui — it’s the whole selling-out fuck-the-community thing.

It’s a shame what’s been done to Azureus. It was a good client when run on a system w/ adequate resources to support Java apps comfortably. Vuze sucks my neighbor’s dog’s ass. I eagerly await peter84peter’s NoVuze + stripped Java release.

I have been uploaded more than 80++GB when I start using Azureus Vuze.

The main reason I use Azureus is the powerful protocol encryption. Plus, I2P & Tor Network supported.

My total seeding ratio is 3.589 for more than 50++ torrents.

You see Vuze is still superb like Azureus. My internet connection only DSL 512Kbps Down & 256Kbps Up.

Yes it will, it’s based on the Java early-access version that is a bit less hungry and starts A LOT faster.
It will also significantly reduce the number of files.
A default Sun-JRE has more than 600 files, the stripped Java has just 102 atm and only takes up 24.9 MB on disk.

Plus 3GB RAM + QuadCore AMD should be able to run a damn torrent client lol.

The beauty of open source is that you can get a copy of the Azureus source (without that Vuze garbage in it) and fork your own client.

I switched from Azureus to uTorrent because Vuze is hideous. This is a really bad move on Azureus’ part.

peter84peter – I’m not trying to “suck” up to anyone. You already know that if I have problems with anyone that I mention it.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing how that stripped down Java thing turns out. Is that actually going to reduce the memory usage?

I’m not sucking up to anyone – as you damn well know, if I don’t like some of the things that are going on, then I make my feelings known. My point has always been – if you don’t want to use the Vuze part, you don’t have to – you can switch. The reason that I’ve never liked the NoVuze part is because it makes people believe that your solution is the only way to avoid using the Vuze stuff – which it isn’t.

Of course, now’s the first time where there’s actually something different – the name of the application. :) I look forward to seeing how that stripped down Java thing comes along.

next : amc1, you truly do write crappy poems, almost as bad as Vuze.
You are all over the Internets defending this POS known as “Vuze” .
Do you think the marketing-guys will actually start to pay you one day if you suck up to them long enough ?

Last : Azureus NoVuze is here to stay. Now that Sun has open-sourced
Java I’m planning on releasing a complete version with a stripped-down Java that will only include the files needed to run Azureus.

As for features you don’t need….they could always be made into lots of plug-ins, but if you want that, do it yourself instead of complaining, Azureus is open source (I think). Azureus isn’t a “light” client, never was. If you want something like that without doing it yourself, use utorrent or better yet transmissions. Deluge is more of a middle client (has plug-ins for advanced stuff but lacking in things)

Not everyone has the same needs as you. I for one don’t need a light client on the desktop, but have to use a light one on my laptop (sad my Xp laptop died…used to be able to run Azureus with no problem. Now I’m stuck with a Vista laptop that can barely run utorrent)

To be honest – I would be embarrassed to be *that* patronising. But hey ho, each to their own.

Now – the whole Vuze business thing might work, or it might not. Doesn’t affect me greatly, since I’m not involved with it. But if users don’t want to use any of it – they don’t have to.

I’m just trying to show you why your crapware is gonna massively fail.

Of course you might gather lots of useless users. Those who don’t give a damn about sharing, don’t understand shit about nothing and so on.

The internet is full of coders who once thought they were more clever than their users. Now they are completely forgotten, and nobody gives attention to their “best product in the world”.

It’s a pity that you think some dollars prove you’re right. When I was in the internet business, before the bubble exploded, there were many arrogant morons like your team who thought they had reinvented powder. Guess where they are now ?
Good luck anyway.

resource light:
Azureus has never been light on resources – we’re a lot better than we have been in the past (at least in the classic UI), but we’ll never match UT, for example.

safe:
What the hell does that mean?

no needless shit:
Sure, we can tear massive amounts of stuff out – we can remove large numbers of options and features that people don’t NEED but they might WANT.

So what’s your point – that all the new Vuze stuff is crap (in which case you can just not use it – like the FAQ says repeatedly), or you’re just applying it to the existing Azureus code (in which case, what’s it got to do with my FAQ?)

And the only thing that’s ironic here is your use of the phrase “misplaced irony”, since your use of the word “irony” is… well… misplaced.

Now – as I’ve pointed out repeatedly here, if you don’t want to use it, you don’t have to. I didn’t write any of this functionality, and I don’t use it. I don’t use the new interface, and it doesn’t get loaded.

resources-light, safe, no needless shit in it.

You’ve lost it on the 3 points. Pity. Start counting, when no one uses your crapware and Vuze is banned from all the private trackers, you’ll regret your misplaced irony.

I use Azureus and now they are turning it into some gimicky thing for real. I’m not a big fan of uTorrent and Deluge does bizarre things to well…everything. So it sounds like I am running out of options.

Why would i want to be social butterfly with public torrent people? I feel that there are too many leeches. Wouldn’t you join a Private Torrent site to interact with others of like interests? Hmm, I’d join a group before touching Vuze again.

Then there’s resource hogging. To the ones who say they have no resource hogging, I consider 50-100MBs AT LEAST on a 512-1024MB RAM for a SIMPLE TORRENT CLIENT utterly ridiculous. As it is, the new Vuze drains at the very least 200MBs on Ubuntu with just 7 finished torrents on the list, 2 of which are seeding, scaling up to 300, before I restarted it, so it might scale higher. In my Linux usage, the hogging as it is right now is bearable, based on the simple facts that, unless you have Cedega, you can’t play anything on Ubuntu that’s gonna compete with Vuze for resources.

In my Windows experience however, games drop to a staggering 5> FPS at regular intervals when Vuze is running. Something that does NOT happen with Deluge or uTorrent. So yeah, an otherwise pathetic system with just 512MB RAM could, maybe, support Vuze, since it can hardly do anything else, so resources are always free. But a 4GB C2D having resource issues with Azureus is totally unacceptable. Or is it Windows fault? How come uTorrent and Deluge behave normally?

I will note however, than, at least in Ubuntu, it uses practically no CPU. But yeah, if you’re doing something that requires resources, especially in Windows, you’re much better off with another client, and a TORRENT EXCLUSIVE client at that (which neither Vuze nor Bitcomet actually are anymore).

As for the Vuze VS bought uTorrent, having an opensource corporate bloatware versus a closed sourced corporate client… If I can’t help it, I’d go with the feature-rich lighter client. Pity Deluge is still kinda buggy in all its instances and Transmission lacks so much in the feature department, it makes uTorrent seem like Vuze, only without the memory hogging.