QuebecTorrent Lawsuit: Backdoor to Banning All Canadian BitTorrent Sites?
Written by enigmax on November 26, 2007Last month we reported that a relatively unknown torrent site had been ordered to shutdown at the hands of the Canadian recording industry. Now, there are fears that a legal precedent may be being sought by shutting this site, one which could affect all Canadian BitTorrent sites.
On October 18th 2007 we wrote about the situation faced by a couple of Canadian BitTorrent trackers being threatened by the recording industry there. One of them, the 46,000 member QuebecTorrent was being targeted by a coalition of four recording labels.
Since then the situation has grown much more serious and it is feared that this case could have implications for all Canadian hosted torrent sites. There are quite a few big sites hosted in Canada (IsoHunt and TorrentBox to name just two) and with LeaseWeb kicking out torrent sites en masse, it’s thought that there is the potential for a lot more to be hosted there in the future. Demonoid has already been effectively kicked out of Canada - so what now?
TorrentFreak spoke with QuebecTorrent and their legal team at Lecours & Lessard, Montréal to find out exactly what is happening with this case and how it affects the rest of the P2P community.
The Interview
TF: Who exactly is taking legal action against QuebecTorrent?
QT: 31 records / video producers and copyright holders associations (including companies like Sony BMG Music Canada, Universal Music Canada and EMI Group Canada), are suing QuebecTorrent, through Mr. Sebastien Brulotte, administrator of the website.
TF: These companies tried to get a preliminary injunction to shut the site. What’s happening with that?
QT: We contested yesterday the Plaintiffs’ motion to obtain a preliminary injunction order. Through this motion, the plaintiffs asked the Court to order the suspension of the QuebecTorrent website or, barring which, to freeze all Torrent files giving access to protected works available through the website. In this case the Court rejected the Plaintiff’s demands.
TF: Apart from trying to get an injunction, what else are these companies trying to gain against QuebecTorrent?
QT: Their vision of what constitutes a Peer to Peer website is rather limited. They present Peer to Peer and QuebecTorrent solely as pirates that deliberately infringe upon copyrights and are harmful to the music industry. On the merits of the case, they ask that the injunction order be made permanent and ask for the condemnation of QuebecTorrent for the sum of $200,000.00 in punitive damages.
TF: They are claiming this large sum from QuebecTorrent yet there are many other larger torrent sites in Canada right now. Why are they picking on QuebecTorrent?
QT: They chose QuebecTorrent as a target because, as they said, they could not find the name and address of any other Canadian torrent website administrator.
TF: Closing one site isn’t going to get them very far. Do they have any other objectives other than to crush QuebecTorrent?
QT: Their indirect objective seems to make a jurisprudential precedent of QuebecTorrent, applicable to all Peer to Peer websites. If an eventual decision would condemn QuebecTorrent, it would effectively create a jurisprudential precedent in Canadian law – as this judgment would constitute the first jurisprudence in this matter, it would set out the applicable law to all BitTorrent websites in Canada.
TF: Thank you for explaining the significance of this case to us. Good luck and please keep us informed.
The reason that LeaseWeb is kicking BitTorrent sites off its servers right now is because of a June ruling against a small, relatively unknown Dutch site called Everlasting.nu. The parallels to this case appear pretty obvious - beat up a little guy that few people know about and use that reputation to knock out the big guys you couldn’t have beaten so easily without the precedent.
There are many other complications that ensure that this situation remains fluid, but with the Netherlands looking less attractive by the day and the Canadian torrent situation looking far from stable, will administrators look to the East for their hosting or will they drop anchor at Sweden’s PRQ? According to their front page, PRQ are currently completely out of dedicated servers to rent but they are promising more capacity in a few weeks.
Hiring lawyers (in this case Lecours & Lessard, 354, rue Notre-Dame Ouest, Bureau 100, Montréal, Qc H2Y-1T9, Canada) isn’t cheap so anyone wishing to support QuebecTorrent, should consider visiting their donation page. They send a message of gratitude to those who have already donated to help them get this far and a reminder to everyone else that without donations they cannot defend themselves.
Stay tuned. It’s going to be an interesting Christmas in Torrent Land….
Previously: Open Letter From TorrentFreak To Brein
Next: Most Popular DVDrips on BitTorrent (wk47)
77 Responses
Pfft.. It jsut goes on and on.
Maybe I misunderstand the situation, but it seems a lot of people talk about a Canadian ruling that made file sharing for “personal use” legal. So a site that basically serves people to do that would not be illegal either? What’s the point if saying personal file sharing is legal but the only way to do personal file sharing is illegal, doesn’t that sorta mean it’s all illegal? I think I don’t understand the situation though. :(
Why the french canadian news don’t talk about that?
Hey, TPB, we need a revolutionary anonymous open source encrypted file sharing network that’s better then bittorrent now…
We have been here a while reading this for the past few months and have never had a chance to make a post in regards to peer 2 peer as there wasn’t a issue in Canada
Seems some company’s are now having issues and we would like to comment on the following
We have had company’s come to us asking for contact info for clients we just forward the email to the client and allow them to decide if they want to speak with whom ever is asking
We as a Data Center have always wondered in regards to allowing this type of site on our network and have spent quite a bit on lawyers insuring that it was legal. I’m not sure what is going on in Quebec But I believe it is more to do with the law not understanding what a torrent site is and the plaintiff’s trying to say the site holds the media itself. That here in Canada is 100% illegal. Though hosting index files related to a site is not. Therefore any torrent site that does not (Seed or Upload from the server) can not be charged with committing a crime. There even was a ruling by the supreme court of Canada in regards to downloading mp3’s that it is the same thing as going to a library and photo coping a page out of a book which people have been doing for decades. I’m sad to hear other company’s are not willing to defend their clients rights in a matter that is 100% ill legit. I do hope Quebec Torrents holds their ground and their host step up and help them instead of bowing to pressure that is unjust.
We at Moxiehosting hope all Company’s that host Peer 2 Peer Sites within the boarder’s of Canada step up to the plate and defend what should be defended.
For current Clients of Moxie who have sent us here to see this post be assured that we are not going to stand by and allow cdn server’s be shut down even if they decide to attack Moxie due to this post we feel that it is unjust and wrong for them to do what they are doing to sites here in Canada because others have been able to get away with it in other Country’s
Is why we make Canada our Home
Regards
Moxiehosting Staff
Very True!
I am with you Moxiehosting.
never ending bullshit :\
“Why the french canadian news don’t talk about that?”
LOL Quebecor have most of the news channel, journals, Archambault, Videotron, Canoe…. so no we are not living in a free country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebecor
maybe TQS would comment the new, but im piss off trying
The RIAA and the MPAA Stole MY WORK.
Someone in my family made the infamous old Betty Boop cartoons that got famous, and the MPAA Stole that from my family, I think my great grandfather, I’m not sure, my grandma found out our families work got stolen.
yes spread this word around that Betty Boop copyright been stolen in the past to stop the MPAA, they are the pirates, not us, The MPAA ARE The Pirates.
They stole my work, I’m not lying, they are the thiefs.
I hate the MPAA.
By the way, quebec torrent have alist of artist that you can’t upload, if you dont want to see your music or movies on the tracker, you just have to send them a message
You’d think these companies would defend their clients, given how much business they’ll lose if all the torrent sites move to other providers… maybe thats just an outsiders perspective though..
nice to hear that Moxiehosting is willing to step up. how about some others step up to the plate..
Canadians losing their torrents?
THAT’s a shame.
Can’t the RIAA, MPAA are the rest of their mob just shut up? They’re like a hooker on crack. Jsut won’t shut the fuck up unless you shoot ‘em.
[quote comment="223946"]Can’t the RIAA, MPAA are the rest of their mob just shut up? They’re like a hooker on crack. Jsut won’t shut the fuck up unless you shoot ‘em.[/quote]
haha the perfect media pirate this hardcore evil criminal master mind.. dude please take one of ur 100s of guns put it to ur face and “Bl4Zt3″ it.. get one of ur “Hoes” to clean the mess up please stfu
I’m starting to get scared, ppl in countrys where this shit is happening have to stand up for yourself.
I’m from sweden and I was one of them standing up for the liberty of internet when they tried to close down TPB.
I hope there is ppl in canada holland and so on standing up for their rights.
It’s not enough to write on blogs, get out there and get noticed.
heh:
You just talked about TPB’s P2P protocol, which is under development.
http://securep2p.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
[quote comment="223955"][quote comment="223946"]Can’t the RIAA, MPAA are the rest of their mob just shut up? They’re like a hooker on crack. Jsut won’t shut the fuck up unless you shoot ‘em.[/quote]
haha the perfect media pirate this hardcore evil criminal master mind.. dude please take one of ur 100s of guns put it to ur face and “Bl4Zt3″ it.. get one of ur “Hoes” to clean the mess up please stfu[/quote]
Haha the perfect Media defender. Taking it up the arse from all his faggot mates snoting coke all day.
Just your typical faggot suit. You really have no fucking idea.
I agree with Axel. Please STFU little boy.
I’m on James’s side.
You old fags are loosing and you know it.
[quote comment="223900"]Hey, TPB, we need a revolutionary anonymous open source encrypted file sharing network that’s better then bittorrent now…[/quote]
It’s called RapidShare. Or MegaUpload. Or MediaFire. Or DivShare. http://warez-bb.org/
It’s funny how these people who still think piracy is such a bad thing think pirates are all kids.
I know plenty of people in thier 20’s, 30’s and 40’s and even 50’s that pirate.
And some are rather well off. Far from living in the basement.
I know cops that pirate. It’s not that big a deal to most people.
The Media groups are just trying to make it out as if it is.
[quote comment="223907"]I’m not sure what is going on in Quebec But I believe it is more to do with the law not understanding what a torrent site is and the plaintiff’s trying to say the site holds the media itself. That here in Canada is 100% illegal. Though hosting index files related to a site is not. Therefore any torrent site that does not (Seed or Upload from the server) can not be charged with committing a crime.[/quote]It is exactly like that in The Netherlands, so I wonder why leaseweb has no proper lawyers to explain this in court..
Here’s the deal:
Google indexes torrents as much as any other specialized torrent-indexing site does. Puuting some behind a registration shield for group and community (and taste/preference) purposes should not make ANY difference. I really wonder what the hell they’re thinking.
Oh, and I wonder why the name ‘SONY’ keeps on popping up. Do they even realize they’re selling burnable media (HDR/DVDR/CDR), or do they expect us not to find uses for them? Dirty hypocrites are trying to make money on ALL sides. Well, sorry, I’m not falling for that any longer.
Industry: If this is what you want, then we’ll bury you alive and go underground with ALL aspects of file-sharing technology. You should be glad we’re allowing you to see what we do. Have it your way, we’ll go into hiding again. To us it’s all the same, you’re just a mere nuisance with your stupid USELESS actions and claims. Power to the people, not the corporate whores of the industry. As Clint once so eloquently put it:
You can stick it in your ass!
Hey, I just had a brilliant idea!
…
and then read up to MoxieHosting’s post, and realized they brought up the point so explicitly, I think everyone realized it. Oh well, here goes anyway:
HEY PIRATEBAY! Trying to buy a small sovereign nation is the WRONG way to go - that was obvious, but I just realized what the RIGHT solution is; buy an ISP company!
The point of buying a small sovereign nation, is to bypass the legal pressures due to bitTorrent;
but here’s the thing:
NONE of the torrent sites have been taken down due to the legal system; ALL of the torrent sites have been taken down due to an ISP getting THREATENED and then caving in - NOT getting SUED!!!
Because torrents ARE legal, in every.single.country.on the planet! The problem isn’t the legal system, its the ISPs crumbling in terror;
bitTorrent doesn’t even NEED a new country. It just needs explicitly designated-friendly (not _necessarily_ dedicated-)ISPs.
The garbage the media defenders spew out is amazing.
Downloading music is illegal blah blah blah.
Maybe I should just post my music to friends, would that make them happy?
There are just so many ways to pirate. Let it go, the companies are still making huge profits.
Quote
(HEY PIRATEBAY! Trying to buy a small sovereign nation is the WRONG way to go - that was obvious, but I just realized what the RIGHT solution is; buy an ISP company!)
you don’t need to buy an ISP
Moxie is here taking more and more sites under its wings for past 3 years
Come join the Moxie Family
Free Admission:)
Punt
no we are not trying to sell here. We don’t sell to be honest most people know of us.
It was meant as a joke to the poster
Cheers
Moxie
All you RIAA GOONS!!
All of your music shops and outlets are ILLEGAL and should be closed down immediatly.
You are infringing on the copyright holders by making copyrighted works available. Just as in the Jamie Thomas case you’ve shown that making available should be illegal. So I must strongly suggest you close down all your retail outlets as you are making all this copyrighted material available to potential shoplifters!
torrentfreak seems to be getting more and more depressing….
[quote comment="224033"]Quote
(HEY PIRATEBAY! Trying to buy a small sovereign nation is the WRONG way to go - that was obvious, but I just realized what the RIGHT solution is; buy an ISP company!)
you don’t need to buy an ISP
Moxie is here taking more and more sites under its wings for past 3 years
Come join the Moxie Family
Free Admission:)
Punt
no we are not trying to sell here. We don’t sell to be honest most people know of us.
It was meant as a joke to the poster
Cheers
Moxie[/quote]
…:( Well, I’m not used to that term [punt] so I checked wikipedia and http://www.dictionary.net/punt;
to no avail.
From the context, I’ll assume brown-noser, cunt, or zealot in na-na land; thanks a lot.
I still think its a good idea; you are in Canada? You are doing good work in Canada? Great, I applaud you.
Throughout the states and western Europe however, the cowardly-ISP problem prevails. My idea was directed toward them as much as to Canada!
[...punt... I'm not a punt...:)]
There are many many sites that direct people to Torrents and its just an unfortunate fact that some sites will be chosen by the anti pirates groups to be taken to court. Some will prevail some will give up the good fight. In the immortal words of Bob Marley I leave you with this quote: “Get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights”!
Back to me jelly babies!
Well … Tom Baker …
I did stand up, even created an emailadress (P2PISHERETOSTAY@Live.NL) to start actions and the only mails are spams. Zero reactions !
So 99% here is not wolling to take some action and let their voice be heard.
Less talking and more action is the way, but i think P2P-ers are too lazy …..
Don’t let those RIAA chumps scare you Canadian BitTorrent sites. Their scare tactic is to keep you in court for a while to try and eat away at your income. Also a bit off the subject here, please learn how to pass gas with good manners. If you can practice letting it out in silence that would be most grateful to the community. Its rude letting strangers know that you just let one out very loudly. People will know that you will be a bit of a stink for a while until you unload all that digested food in the John. I know its difficult for some people to let it out in silence, and on some rare occasions you just can’t control those gases that release too fast, but please do your best and practice letting it out in silence. Thank you very much. I apologize to all those who feel offended about better controling their gases. I understand. Besides its a natural part of life and we don’t have control over bowel movements. The point of all this is just a reminder to practice the silent release technique. Sorry for dragging this out for so long. Peace.
[quote comment="224100"]Well … Tom Baker …
I did stand up, even created an emailadress (P2PISHERETOSTAY@Live.NL) to start actions and the only mails are spams. Zero reactions !
So 99% here is not wolling to take some action and let their voice be heard.
Less talking and more action is the way, but i think P2P-ers are too lazy …..[/quote]
I appluad your efforts. At least you are taking a stand and trying to help the p2p community. TorrentFreak may not be the best ideal choice to get the support your looking for. I recommend trying other p2p sites especially the one’s that require an invite only site. Those site’s (like the former Oink) usually have a good amount of members who do care. As for the spamming you received at that email address it could have been bored youngsters or even to no surprise a member or two from an anti pirate organization. Remember the anti pirates are here too reading these comments and also posting comments trying to get people to cough up invites so that they can infiltrate those private sites or even trying to find out the names of new p2p sites. The anti pirates have their work cut out for them trying to keep up with all the new BitTorrent sites that keep pooping up. Don’t ever give up Mmmmm. If you do, they win. Its okay to fall down from time to time. Other people from around the world will pick up where you left off and continue the battle. But don’t ever quit. Now I’m all out of jellybabies and will be heading off to the store. Good luck to you and the rest of the p2p community.
[quote comment="224100"]Well … Tom Baker …
I did stand up, even created an emailadress (P2PISHERETOSTAY@Live.NL) to start actions and the only mails are spams. Zero reactions !
So 99% here is not wolling to take some action and let their voice be heard.
Less talking and more action is the way, but i think P2P-ers are too lazy …..[/quote]
About the spams: Apparently there are bots trolling the net, looking for regular expressions like “abcd@def.com” then auto-spamming them; I know that several of my profs post their publicly accessible email addresses as “abdc at def .com” sort thing, but w/e.
About the zero-reactions/”just talk”; the mafiAA may not have any jurisdiction outside of the states, but they are working very hard on that; I know that in Canada, America, and France specifically, they are heavily leaning on the government to enact American jurisdiction in those countries, at least with regard to copyright[see Michael Geist's columns in Canada, TorrentFreak's columns about the states and Sweden, and the Guardians report, worst yet, for France:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/nov/24/crime.france?gusrc=rss&feed=technology
So although the torrentNet is actually and legitimately 100% legal, many are expecting an international il-legalization of it (thanks to the mighty corporate overlords) in the 5-10 year future.
How is this relevent? Posting here is ~relatively anonymous (ie it'd take more than a websurfing lawyer to crack the anonymity); whereas us sending our email addresses to an (ultimately) unknown destination [you], is much less anonymous.
Scaredy-pants, are we? Pretty much. Lazy too? Sorry, but for now - with no visible chance to actually effect what is happening - yeah, we’d rather sit on our hinies and be lazy.
Just, consider this a publicly monitored forum for us low-level BT users, more than a focal point of the movement (although it kind of is).
[quote comment="224011"][quote comment="223907"]I’m not sure what is going on in Quebec But I believe it is more to do with the law not understanding what a torrent site is and the plaintiff’s trying to say the site holds the media itself. That here in Canada is 100% illegal. Though hosting index files related to a site is not. Therefore any torrent site that does not (Seed or Upload from the server) can not be charged with committing a crime.[/quote]It is exactly like that in The Netherlands, so I wonder why leaseweb has no proper lawyers to explain this in court..
Here’s the deal:
Google indexes torrents as much as any other specialized torrent-indexing site does. Puuting some behind a registration shield for group and community (and taste/preference) purposes should not make ANY difference. I really wonder what the hell they’re thinking.
Oh, and I wonder why the name ‘SONY’ keeps on popping up. Do they even realize they’re selling burnable media (HDR/DVDR/CDR), or do they expect us not to find uses for them? Dirty hypocrites are trying to make money on ALL sides. Well, sorry, I’m not falling for that any longer.
Industry: If this is what you want, then we’ll bury you alive and go underground with ALL aspects of file-sharing technology. You should be glad we’re allowing you to see what we do. Have it your way, we’ll go into hiding again. To us it’s all the same, you’re just a mere nuisance with your stupid USELESS actions and claims. Power to the people, not the corporate whores of the industry. As Clint once so eloquently put it:
You can stick it in your ass![/quote]
^^ is a stupid person. I rest my case.
Why don’t you prove to us you can get the song torrent easily using Google? Come one, show me please!
When you use private trackers, you know you are sure to get the file easily, but what about with Google? It takes effort and you do not know if you can get the file or not. But with trackers, it’s 100% you will get it. Get that through your thick skull that you are infringing copyright.
And since you said that the first person to seed or upload the file is the one infringing the copyright, why does the tracker continously let him do so??? HELLO??
DO NOT BE A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!
[quote comment="224224"]Why don’t you prove to us you can get the song torrent easily using Google? Come one, show me please!
When you use private trackers, you know you are sure to get the file easily, but what about with Google? It takes effort and you do not know if you can get the file or not. But with trackers, it’s 100% you will get it. Get that through your thick skull that you are infringing copyright.[/quote]
The internet is dead. All that remains are tiny goodness-filled maggots crawling through its corpse.
There is no longer any uncontrolled media online. Buckets of spam were showed down its throat, and the ensuing chaos allowed the masked men to quietly kill, piece by piece, all the freedom the internet once held.
Only in the darknets, in the underground p2p, in the IRC and in Mute and in their kin is there still any freedom; the once magnificent beast of online is now laid waste in a gory trail of advertising, blogging, and insignificantly-vanilla opinion pieces. Ever try collecting specific statistics, technical data, fascist-opposing doctrine, or genuine exposEs?
The best you will get is watered down versions of censored versions; that is why Google is allowed effectively free reign. The internet is dead, and nobody, including the mafiAA, have anything to fear from it.
It is her legacy, the free underground, which always has and always will be persecuted.
Peace
Google is great to find mp3’s comcast.
There’s so much there to choose from.
we must unite now before it is too late.
Here you will find the truth about the “bad CRIA”:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1011089
Moxie, I really respect you guys for helping to stand up for us Canadians against these media companies. It is nice to know that there is a hosting company out there with some balls to stand up to these idiots. It still amazes me how clueless these media companies seem to be. I hope things go well for Quebec Torrent. I will be eager to hear what becomes of this. Good luck! Kick those bastards asses.
nice mini-tatty
95% of this songs suck
If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck
the fact that the riaa and mpaa exist is enough evidence to suggest that the companies they support have more than enough money.
you own writers are on strike, its not about theft, its about more profit more more more.
i laugh when they report a “loss in profits”… its like 3rd quarter reports suggest a drop from 250million profit to 200million profit… arrr shame…
theres not much good things in life you know, music and movies are some of these good things.
let us enjoy them in peace, there will always be people going to the movies and buying your dvds. going to your concerts and buying you cds. so stop being so greedy, so very, very greedy.
things are not looking good at all for the P2P community
Hollywood studios sue film website (this time Chinese website)
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2933261.ece
France’s plan against Online Piracy
and the list goes on and on
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[quote comment="224223"]^^ is a stupid person. I rest my case.[/quote]Haha. Scared of the truth at ComCast, are we? If you think for a minute you’re winning at this ‘game’, you’re wrong. Dream on!
Like I wrote:
If this is what you want, then we’ll go underground with ALL aspects of file-sharing technology. Easy. You should be glad we were ALLOWING you to see what we’re doing as a people. Have it your way, we’ll go into hiding again. To us it’s all the same, you’re just a mere nuisance with your stupid USELESS actions and claims. Power will be with the people, not you corporate whores of the industry.
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Thanks for everyone that is supporting p2p in canada
if you wanna join the action and willing to help you can contact me at
torrent[at]quebectorrent.com
i speak both english and french
thanks again for those willing to fight for p2p in canada (and i guess around world too)
[quote comment="224171"]So although the torrentNet is actually and legitimately 100% legal, many are expecting an international il-legalization of it (thanks to the mighty corporate overlords) in the 5-10 year future.
….. …..
Scaredy-pants, are we? Pretty much. Lazy too? Sorry, but for now - with no visible chance to actually effect what is happening - yeah, we’d rather sit on our hinies and be lazy.
Just, consider this a publicly monitored forum for us low-level BT users, more than a focal point of the movement (although it kind of is).[/quote]
Well there are much more things you can do to get yourself heard. Join a pirate party. Write politicians, newspapers, magazines, etc. etc.etc. Endless options. Forums and trackers can play a roll in that.
I would not have written an open letter to Brein alone but would have handed it over to the man himself.
It’s about some sort of freedom and that matters 4 all (well most) people.
[quote comment="224224"]Why don’t you prove to us you can get the song torrent easily using Google? Come one, show me please!
When you use private trackers, you know you are sure to get the file easily, but what about with Google? It takes effort and you do not know if you can get the file or not. But with trackers, it’s 100% you will get it. [/quote]
What are you talking about? I always use google to search for torrents, it’s way easier than using trackers. I know plenty of other people who do the same.
And no, just because tracker has a file listed, it’s not a guarantee that you will get the file. Even on the big trackers, and even with files that show lots of seeders, you sometimes get duds.
Just to make a point on a previous comment…
“What’s the point if saying personal file sharing is legal but the only way to do personal file sharing is illegal”
You hit the nail on the head exactly. This is the same situation we have with prostitution in Canada. Prostitution is not technically illegal, however “communication for the purposes of prostitution” is illegal. You can sell sex for money but if you say “Have sex with me for $20″ you are breaking the law.
Don’t you just love Canada?
Comcast: Just because a search engine is easier to use, doesn’t mean that it is any more illegal
someone needs to sue google on behalf of their listing, and obiviously loose, so there is a different precedent
I’ve heard people now holding filesharing LAN parties.
si l’esti de twit qui opère le tracker aurait une tête sur ses épaule on en serait jamais rendu là, à cause de lui on ne pourra plus downloader
If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck
Canada…where you can become a politician, a lawyer, a judge, a policeman, a corporate, even a prime minister, and this being a total moron.
Why are we surprised at such practice?
Politicians and highly placed people (like mentionned earlier) keep going under the table and getting huge bank accounts by sc…ing the citizen daily!! And no one does anything, they all go lick the prime’s balls at his little appearance, cheering him up like he’s the new coming!! A bit like the idiot BUSH on the other side. Or the other idiots on the European continent.
WAKE UP people. Stop vegetating in your living room watching “real-life” TV and GET A REAL LIFE and save the world for your kids…or do you want them to be tyrannized by those that are scr…ing us at the moment…
Think about it…CRIA is the tip of the iceberg concerning those corporate a..holes and their puppets: the artists!! What a shame, what a lame crowd! No wonder Paris Hilton is making so much money: bitches rule nowadays…think of CRIA!
I don’t buy any NEW stuff from any artists anymore. It’s my way of cutting the fat in the corporate wallet. And share as much as you can by FTPing with trustable users. Those bastards cannot get into our machines if we don’t want them to.
Oh, by the way…what’s the meaning of COPYRIGHTS beside the “rights to copy”?
not a lawyer, but it may not matter what gets decided by a Quebec court, since Quebec uses a Civil Code …. I’m not sure that what they would decide would set a precedent.
Regardless, its a case that should get more attention and support.
[Refresher coarse]
Once you let someone know a secret it’s not a secret any more. It becomes general knowledge, once a third person knows and FREE for everyone. Internet is an extreme example of this theory. Get used to it.
American DOD rejected Internet for it’s totally insecure structure. It was given away for the purpose of FREE sharing of information for all [all on this planet]. Distributed networking guarantees this freedom and CAN NOT be shut down no matter what.
Result: file/information sharing will continue as long as Internet is up.
These days almost all users have Server capable Operating Systems. This means they become a Server as soon as they log on. It also means they can share any and all information they want.
[End of refresher coarse]
RIAA, CRIA and anyone else trying to stop users from sharing can go “piss up a rope”.
If you notice, the IP’s attacking any flow of FREE information are the governments, big business and their related SPAM factories.
I propose a Tarpit/Honeypot be coded to trap all offending IPs. You know, the ones that attack file sharing and user communications. This would solve any infraction against any user.
Note: YES! Rogers, Bell and Telus have just been forced to share their infrastructure!
Now let’s force the ISP’s to give us what we pay for at proper inexpensive rates.
QuebecTorrent has my/our vote and support.
.tudmax,
Senior Network and Systems Analyst
SOUTENONS TOUS QUEBECTORRENT
lets go quebectorrent
[quote comment="224228"]And since you said that the first person to seed or upload the file is the one infringing the copyright, why does the tracker continously let him do so??? HELLO??
DO NOT BE A FUCKING HYPOCRITE![/quote]
I can answer that for you, well part of it; a big part actually.
the private tracker is owned by “a staff” , with a sysop, a few admins and the moderators and uploaders.
The fastest uploaders of any given torrent by the tracker are most of the time the same people; the staff!
Ofcource you don’t notice that when the staff have some brains; they use different nicknames to hide their “double-agent” role ;-)
Sometimes the Hosting provider is deeply involved; all undercover ofcource; they don’t want to wake the dogs, do they ?
When you can hide behind the tree, why should you stand before it ;-)
j’aime pas quebectorrent, les modérateurs sont des amateurs et ils vont nous faire perdre le droit de télécharger. je vais maintenant sur les autres sites
en effet Martine (commentaire précédent)… comme vous pouvez le constater quebectorrent est en train de plier aux demandes des compagnies en instaurant une blacklist d’au dessus de 10000 oeuvres et artistes… du jamais vu sur aucun site de torrent au monde. c’est le début de la fin. les compagnies de disques ont su qu’ils avaient affaire à des gens qui allaient plier et créér un grave et irréparable précédent dans le domaine des torrents. quebectorrent devrait avoir honte.
Ben Martine et Gabriel, faites comme moi; arrêtez d’encourager les artistes de cette liste.
J’ai arrêté d’écouter et d’encourager les épais de Metallica aussitôt qu’ils ont attaque le partage de MP3, depuis ce temps je me fais un plaisir de laisser des CDs traîner dans les centres d’achats contenant un maximum de MP3 de ce groupe pour que tout le monde les aient et qu’ils aillent se faire voir ailleurs les trouducs! C’est ça les moyens de pression du peuple..j’ai le droit d’oublier un CD de musique sur le banc ou j’étais assis…essayez-donc de m’actionner les motards connards des USA! :-P et ..|.,
I’ve read the above and am a little confused with what the problem really is. I think the record companies are taking the p*** out of everyone as they make a f***ing fortune from record & dvd sales alone worldwide. It isn’t because the singers & songwriters are not getting their money’s worth, more likely the fat cats at the top of the chain(SONY,EMI and others) are just moaning about the drop in PROFITS (at the same time still making approx 200 millon dollars profit per year and still growing). Well when i heard of a well known artist that put one of his latest hits on the net for people to download for what THEY WANTED TO PAY, from full retail price to nothing at all, my first reaction was “if one person can upload and allow for free downloading, why cant the record companies”. The internet was set up for file and information sharing globewide wasn’t it?.
What started as a simple phone call by me in January 2007 to Bell tech help line to determine why my internet services were so slow and sluggish. became a major farce on the part of Bell Sympatico. I was lied for months as to the real reasons Bell they rather had offered their poor internet services to me and to many others in my city for years now too.. and then Bell lied to me some more, breached their contractual obligations many times too, allowed me even to be slandered, absued on the Bell customer forums now too.. and why? so clearly greedy Bell can continue stay in business to make more money.. and who really cares now about the customer’s good welfare in reaity? Not Bell, not the CRTC, not the federal government, not our Prime Minister Stephen Harper, not the the fderal Minister of Consumer Affairs, Jim Prentice.. not any provincial consumer affairs Minister, but only the citizems, the news media, and the NDP party care about the citizens good welfare really it seems. Not acceptable for sure too!
I too would now rightfully like to see the provisions that made DPI (deep packet inspection) by ISPs to be made illegal not just by the CRTC but also by the federal government now too, including many of the bad acts of Bell, the Big Brother’s false invasion of our home, personal privacy. Since we can readily know that the reasons given for the internet downloading inspections, capping are unjustifiable, what are the actual reasons now for these online now inspections too?
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Martine et Gabriel c’est vous la honte. c le seul site qui as les couille de dire non on ne fermera pas et se défend en cour…vous devriez donner a place de chialer
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