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26 Dec 16, 2007 at 23:08 by no

is rlslog showing a blank page for everyone or just me

27 Dec 17, 2007 at 01:31 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

>> Some people will tell “Yeah
>> but what about their business”?
>> Well, I have only one life to
>> live and I simply don’t have time
>> to think about Angelina Jolie’s
>> future, I don’t give a shit if
>> the studios could not pay Keanu
>> Reeves $256 million to entertain
>> us for a few hours.
———–

That’s quite the peasant mentality. Don’t forget their are literally 10’s of thousands of actors and ‘other’ film related jobs of people struggling to get by (take note of the writer’s strike). Some of those people do deserve big wads of cash, but regardless of what they deserve, you’re not just attacking the big stars you hate. And the Angelina’s of the industry aren’t big because of their films, but the parasitic tabloid industry.

——————
>> Why some people are being
>> paid so much for doing nothing
>> Extraordinary? Why the doctors
>> who save lives don’t get more?
>> Yeah I know, because the life is
>> not always fair. Well, if life’s >> not fair, I don’t wanna be fair,
>> either.
——————–

Speaking of jobs that are important, genuine life saving medicine is in the minority, much of it is an industry that encourages dependence on their medicinal system so to speak, an industry that encourages ‘customers’ to have a reason to come back. Doctors DO get paid a shit load. A better example is a job that does GIVES LIFE. Farmers are getting fucked over and the quality of un-modified crops (both meat and vegetable) continues to go down… but how often have you heard anyone saying they won’t pay for a substandard food product.. they’d rather go hungry than support the rape of farmers that don’t bow down to corporate pressure, and their land?

The whole torrent technology is great, but too many people keep taking it to peasant extremes to justify why things should be free. You’re playing satanist to the entrenched corporate zealotry. And what does that mean in the end? You’re both the same, and that’s why things are still struggling to change. Get rid of this peasant mentality and support quality for being quality, not for being ‘indie’ or anti-corporate, and not by saying it should be free. But because it deserves a voice, and never forget the creators of quality entertainment (and entertainment IS modern culture in its entirety, make no mistake) need to pay their bills and eat… and you fuckin know the makers of quality deserve more than just that because they enrich the non-creative’s lives.

Fuck anyone that still sells the idea that making money from art is bad or somehow lacking in integrity. Fuck you and your peasant mentality, you’re the kind of hypocrites that that support everyday corporate structures and then bitch and moan when you see it behind ‘art’.

I know there are people here and throughout the torrent community that agree with what I’ve just said, problem is they aren’t the loudest voice. The loudest often screams “I like shit for free and don’t really know what it’s like when someone refuses to pay me for my work.. sooo, let’s make everything FREE and fuck the poe-leece”

Fucking “rebellion” clones. Fuck you!

———–
>> So all those huge studios can go
>> to hell, they will never see my
>> money again. Oh no, not in this
>> life you fat bastards!
————–

I’ll say it again… this peasant mentality actually hurts people that matter in these industries, and hold the torrent world back in the shadow of ‘dirty’ piracy because you want to be as narrow minded as the cock blocking anti-pirates attacking the technology. Haven’t you people learnt anything from how the Napster saga was dealt with? Do you want to see torrents become dominated by adware and slimey, hypocritical corporate endorsements because the original innovators were legally fucked over?

I am a filmmaker, and I want the big dollars if I can get it, but right now I ain’t got shit. Doesn’t mean I’m going to deprive everyone else who has worked harder than your normal joe job “woe is me” twit their just rewards and prosperity. And I won’t demean an entire industry by generalising everything based on tabloid whores and a few unscrupulous executives (and no, not all of them are cunts.. some of them are trying to change the system from the inside too, remember that peasants, they have more balls and endurance than all of you bottom feeding ingreats combined).

And last word… I dig torrents, I hate peasant torrentees. Fuck you if that’s you!

28 Dec 17, 2007 at 02:38 by Alex, UK

Please, Tyrant X calm down a little, and know your thoughts haven’t gone unread.

Please there’s no need for all these swear words to state your points. Everyone here is an individual, and I promise you personally that we do not go to any kind of chanting ceremony and we don’t secretly have a top secret meeting in the hills of France where we plot conspiracies against you.

Jokes aside, respectfully, lets keep this discussion mature.

29 Dec 17, 2007 at 03:35 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

hehehe, excess profanity noted, but it is frustrating to continually read pro-torrent comment/diatribe posts here, time and again, that actually reinforce what the anti-pirate lobbies paint of the community. The irony is those very posters I’m talking about are probably going to get hot under the collar at what I said and accuse me of being part of that conspiracy you joke about. “Committee of 300 unite, nazi saucer men ATTTAAACCKKK!”

30 Dec 17, 2007 at 07:02 by peasant

A man who cannot rule does not deserve to Tyrant X. The business model of the big studios does work on screwing over the writer, the actor and the film maker himself. So does the record industry’s plan of action. They’re leeches and the scum of the Earth, simply sitting around on their fat ass collecting money and having business meetings (which are not more than an excuse to play golf).

Sounds like the King Louis XVI. He got his head chopped off and I hope in repetition of history that their end is no better.

31 Dec 17, 2007 at 11:46 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

That’s a tricky one to define. It’s more like the inhouse business ethic that is the problem, not the marketing/production model. You could easily point to the old days when the studios were forced to divest their ownership of theatres to break the major studio monopolies. Doesn’t apply anymore considering everything is owned by a couple of conglomerates.

But that peasant mentality again. EVERYONE there must be evil huh? That’s the same train of thought that says Hollywood produces nothing but crap, which isn’t true. Look at French cinema.. they make some really really good films, but if you’re not an indie poser, you’ll know they also make some really really bad ones too. Just like Hollywood, the onus is on the public to not go see the endless shovelings of toilet humour movies.

For those that pay attention to the music industry, you may have heard Iron Maiden has just signed the first umbrella licensing deal in the industry (with EMI). That means EMI now gets a cut from everything, marchandising, touring profits, everything! That’s bad news for younger bands, but it’s going to be a good thing for Iron Maiden on a business management level. They aren’t getting screwed, but the repercussions that follow won’t be good. So what does that mean?

It means this “CORPORATE ENEMY” perception is going to encourage the unscrupulous top dogs to take advantage some more.

Pointing your finger and saying “FAT CAT” doesn’t help anyone or anything, just soothes your own ego about what you’re downloading and what little or northing you’re giving back. It’s time to start making constructive suggestions (at the very least) instead of repeating the same ole same ole. Bitching about the ’suits’ isn’t new, it is a decades old fashion trend in both film and music. To give you a specific number on that, there is at least 50 solid years of that kind of whining sub-culture that has gone on. Look at what it has achieved.

Your reference to the french revolution is another bad example. A small few fops and royalty died.. millions of peasants suffered far worse a fate in the ensuing failure of that revolution… and it was a failure, both politically and philosophically.

hehehe, hell, look at where the peasant revolution put Russia when the iron curtain finally fell. That’s what happens when peasants are appeased and their conspiracy paranoias are gratified.

32 Dec 17, 2007 at 11:52 by anonymous coward

[quote comment="240020"]That’s also how I came to learn of the show “The 4400″, seriously the GREATEST Sci-Fi since X-Files, and whose ideas were somewhat ‘copied’ into Heroes, also a great (but more abstract) show.

No.[/quote]
I agree. But 4400? Ew! I would rather watch paint dry. Poor taste. Heroes is more derived from X-men and other comic books. 4400 started fine but it was torn apart by mediocrity.

33 Dec 17, 2007 at 12:10 by anonymous coward

[quote comment="241189"]That’s a tricky one to define. It’s more like the inhouse business ethic that is the problem, not the marketing/production model. You could easily point to the old days when the studios were forced to divest their ownership of theatres to break the major studio monopolies. Doesn’t apply anymore considering everything is owned by a couple of conglomerates.

But that peasant mentality again. EVERYONE there must be evil huh? That’s the same train of thought that says Hollywood produces nothing but crap, which isn’t true. Look at French cinema.. they make some really really good films, but if you’re not an indie poser, you’ll know they also make some really really bad ones too. Just like Hollywood, the onus is on the public to not go see the endless shovelings of toilet humour movies.

For those that pay attention to the music industry, you may have heard Iron Maiden has just signed the first umbrella licensing deal in the industry (with EMI). That means EMI now gets a cut from everything, marchandising, touring profits, everything! That’s bad news for younger bands, but it’s going to be a good thing for Iron Maiden on a business management level. They aren’t getting screwed, but the repercussions that follow won’t be good. So what does that mean?

It means this “CORPORATE ENEMY” perception is going to encourage the unscrupulous top dogs to take advantage some more.

Pointing your finger and saying “FAT CAT” doesn’t help anyone or anything, just soothes your own ego about what you’re downloading and what little or northing you’re giving back. It’s time to start making constructive suggestions (at the very least) instead of repeating the same ole same ole. Bitching about the ’suits’ isn’t new, it is a decades old fashion trend in both film and music. To give you a specific number on that, there is at least 50 solid years of that kind of whining sub-culture that has gone on. Look at what it has achieved.

Your reference to the french revolution is another bad example. A small few fops and royalty died.. millions of peasants suffered far worse a fate in the ensuing failure of that revolution… and it was a failure, both politically and philosophically.

hehehe, hell, look at where the peasant revolution put Russia when the iron curtain finally fell. That’s what happens when peasants are appeased and their conspiracy paranoias are gratified.[/quote]
Au contrare! Bittorent communities contribute more than you think. Think more along the lines of a Shouter. Imagine if you give that shouter a Megaphone. He would gain more attention. I would like to think art is similar in that it has a message. The more people who know that message the more successful it is. So no I do not care if there are fat cats in charge. Only that they give us good art/messages. Torrent users are mere messengers to those who do not have the want to download. Little do you know but there are around 8 billion people on this planet. Only a few hundred million people have internet. and only half of them even think about downloading torrents (or even heard of such a magnificent thing). Now if those hundreds of millions of people could only pass on their knowledge of their downloads? So if you wish to call this miracle a Faust then go fuck yourself!

34 Dec 17, 2007 at 12:29 by anonymous coward

Sorry my facts were wrong. 1,244,449,601 users world wide out of a world population estimate of 6.5 billion people. Yet a high percentage of those users are from asia. But only 12% of overall internet usage (through bandwith consumption) is from asian users.

35 Dec 17, 2007 at 12:32 by anonymous coward

cited from http://www.internetworldstats.com. Copyright © 2007, Miniwatts Marketing Group. All rights reserved worldwide.

36 Dec 17, 2007 at 12:34 by anonymous coward

[quote comment="241225"]Sorry my facts were wrong. 1,244,449,601 users world wide out of a world population estimate of 6.5 billion people. Yet a high percentage of those users are from asia. But only 12% of overall internet usage (through bandwith consumption) is from asian users.[/quote]
miss read stats. omit asia info! Thought it interesting but just shotgun, sorry.

37 Dec 17, 2007 at 13:43 by me

[quote comment="239841"]and about

Person break, Lost, Heroes, i never knew about these before.

BITTorrent really helped them, now everyone knows all around the world about Heros/Person break Series!

Shit, they get free advertise !
Torrentsites paying for dedicated servers and advertising their shits for free and still they are not happy ! ! ![/quote]
So now that you know about them you’ve obviously bought the DVD boxsets or lobbied your local television stations to air these shows? Because if not, it doesn’t matter if you know about them or not - the producers, writers, actors still does not make any money from the fact you ‘know about it’.

38 Dec 17, 2007 at 14:16 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

anonymous coward, you’ve missed my point. You’re basically saying what I just said. Although I didn’t pick on the ‘all publicity is good publicity’ argument… there are going to be instances where that is very wrong. And something like Rob Zombie’s Halloween workprint being smuggled out was just wrong. Whoever did that was worse than these ‘fat cats’ are.

Torrents are about as miraculous as libraries. You can violate a library, or you can value it. What we have here is basically an unofficial, unauthorised library. Spreading “the word” is great for political documentaries and things. If anything that is one of the most powerful elements to the torrent community. But like ‘me’ commented above.. merely knowing about it doesn’t put money in the pockets of the producers, writers, directors, etc. Spreading the word is nice, but if you think it’s enough, then you’re wrong.

Download games? Great… PC games still can be glitchy and it is worthwhile making sure you can get something to work if you’re going to shell out a decent amount of cash on a new release. Movies?…. you’ll only pay for the things you like, your sampling of things you don’t doesn’t deserve any recompense to the creators? That kinda sucks, but at least you’re buying the stuff you dig. Music? The only truly justifiably ‘free’ stuff is all the things you can’t get anymore. Discontinued or long lost demo tapes, I don’t think anyone would argue against that. But if you’re downloading music and that’s it.. you don’t go and pay that band by buying a concert ticket, or a t-shirt or whatever.. then why should any of them keep doing what they’re doing. Would you if someone decided to say “kudos” for the work you do, but pretty sentiment is all you’ll have in your pocketbook?

I’ll say it again. I’m not the only one in the torrent community OR HERE reading TorrentFreak (which is a damn good site for the community) that considers knee-jerk freebie’ers as damaging the integrity of the community and holding back the potential of torrents. Stop playing l33t in the kiddy pool and get over your ego. Torrenting should NOT be a special ‘in’ club, it should be a valuable resource that IS VALUED by those that use it. Maintaining a 1:1 share ratio doesn’t qualify for what I just said (however important that seed ethic may be)

39 Dec 17, 2007 at 14:54 by anonymous coward

Libraries are limited to location. People who do not live near libraries find Bittorrent to be quite the miracle. Distribution is a very complex thing that most people take for granted. There are many places where you cannot easily get shipping (like Guam) to but you can get torrents. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. I hate the small earth theory most people share. You have to think of the bigger picture. Money is not everything. Some people only live off of cents a day. Its all about supply and demand. If you have an infinite supply then you need a lot of demand to get good price.

40 Dec 17, 2007 at 15:03 by anonymous coward

Also according to my stats. only 1 out of 6 people even use the internet. What if that 1 person told 6 other people that Rob Zombie’s Halloween looks awesome? 5 billion is a lot of potential customers.

41 Dec 17, 2007 at 15:24 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

but money is everything regarding this thread because there are some people saying it doesn’t matter at all, conveniently forgetting that alot of these artists/musicians/filmmakers lived off cents a day when they were learning their craft (and many still are). No handy apprenticeship like a normal trade. And there is no greater competition for jobs outside of the entertainment industry. The investment of unpaid time and dedication to the risk of utter failure is enormous. And these are professions that require money. Quality equipment is expensive in any of these fields, and many of us choose to literally go hungry so we can fund our progress, our projects and the means and methods to try and get our work out there to be exposed.

It certainly does suck that we are in the 21st century, we have surpassed the imaginations of early sci-fi visions of what we’d have developed, while meeting others exactly as imagined… and yet there are places around the world, even in your own backyard, that are practically medieval in how restricted and difficult it is to have access to “stuff” to educate oneself, to enrich oneself. Like libraries being limited. But that’s no excuse to give to the masses at the expense of the individual. The lesser of two evils will be the argument? It’s easy to think in broad, global humanitarian terms when you’re not struggling to get by.

Would you consider us heartless to not throw even a few coins to fund raising good cause beggers in the mall? Some artists depend on every penny they have to get by day to day. Some? Make that MOST.

The luxury of the consumer to criticise from their armchairs. They often claim we artists have the luxury to pursue our dreams, when the truth is we just had the balls to be true to ourselves and not give in to peer pressure and comfortable, security padded failure. And it eats these people up inside so they have to devaluate what the content creators are worth by emphasising that THE WORLD DESERVES IT.

Give poor folk entertainment for free.. give artists board, food, and equipment for free. That sounds about fair. And there are many artists who would gladly settle for that (I know quite a few that would). The more prolific among us will want alot more, and you’ll undoubtedly criticise them for being greedy when you yourself absorb everything they create with gluttonous intent.

42 Dec 17, 2007 at 15:38 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

what if… were you around before the internet became big? bootlegging concert videos and albums helped promote bands, sure. Bootlegging of Japanime before it finally got a decent boost of western distribution in the 90’s.. that helped too. But not on a mass scale, and I daresay many who use torrents to find the things they love… if torrenting died completely, they’d find another way to stay on top of things.

But the Halloween incident was just wrong, I don’t care how anyone tries to justify it. Some asshole violated their workspace. Zombie’s workspace, the editor, the actors.. everyone that put their blood sweat and tears into making that film only to have some dumb ass invade their workspace while they’re focused on getting the thing done to their standards. Consider how much different that is from corporate espionage? He just threw it at the public instead of selling it… great he’s a hero for not being a profiteer.

Ever stop to think how that impacts on the people he stole it from?

Of course not, who cares right? It’s their duty to entertain you no matter what.

Stats don’t mean anything either. You can’t reduce word of mouth or usage to numbers. Are there 5 billion people that could stomach the brutality of Rob’s horror films. There ain’t 5 million let alone billion. And horror movies get more repeat viewers at the cinema than most other genres, so that shrinks those faceless stats even more.

More people use the internet at public libraries than is often realised. And then you have friends of university students using their campus connection, people that have a work connection but not at home. And then you have people that don’t give a damn because they have enough friends online that will tell them what they know anyway which makes them connected to the thread of information by default. So word of mouth from the internet was a significant social development in the 1997. It was ‘amazing’. In 2007 it’s as common place as newspapers (and yes, there are places in the world that are as deprived of newspapers as they are of computers and electricity).

43 Dec 17, 2007 at 16:33 by anonymous coward

I really hate to say this but economics is everything. And economics is fairly complex. Most only get to see the monetary side of it. There is an invisible hand guiding it. Several factors come in hand. As impossibly sturdy Art is it has it’s weaknesses. And usually time will tell. And I can tell you this, the populous is the controller of that invisible hand. No single entity has ever decided its next move. Of course, I believe in god. So it is sort of the hand of god. But there is no denying it since it controls time. Things come and go. You just need to see the silver lining and stop being so cynical. Worry about the stuff that really matters. If the populous does not want paid artists. Then the artists are doomed to having to have a second job. The seller is doomed to the wants and needs of the buyer. In this case the buyer can infinitely create what the seller sells them. If the seller does not want such a thing to happen then must change his/her product to something finite. Who is it for the seller to say what the buyer wants? The customer is always right no matter what. If people do not want the special effects then stop using them. If the seller needs to back pedal then let he/she back pedal. Patience is the key. This is a tough world. What doesn’t kill you will only make you stronger. Don’t get stuck in the illusion that just because you build it they will come. The whole Rob Zombie thing sounds like classic theft. But that rarely happens and cant possibly effect all horror movie goers. Another way to put it is to use presidential elections. Say I am to lazy to vote I would be consider a Bittorrent user. Say I go and vote for my favorite candidate. I am a paying customer. Now the difference between the two is very unique. The nonvoter/bittorentuser did vote, the one who won. The customer/voter also voted, but for possibly the loser. Now the customer can either blame this on the nonvoter or make the candidate more worth their while. The blame game is justifiable but usually makes both parties hate each other. The compromise option tends to brings both parties to the table and fixes the problem. Both options can have fatal endings for both parties. It is always good to be a optimist either way. Silver lining.

44 Dec 17, 2007 at 17:23 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

reality when it is disagreeable to one person is often accused of being a form of cynicism. Art is not controlled by the masses. Art doesn’t control the masses, but the masses are indeed dependent on art.

And when it is the public the depreciates the artist and art, it is the artist that will eventually say screw it, I will not suffer while others profit from my efforts. And then the masses cry WHY IS IT ALL CRAP? Why is Hollywood making crap.

The seller is doomed to catering to the consumer only if that seller has weak marketing skills. Marketing, in brutally realistic terms, is the art of manipulation and can often have nothing to do with the true intent or nature what is being sold. For better or worse, that’s how it works in this day and age.

The Rob Zombie thing sadly is happening more often than ever before, and there are people in the torrenting community that are claiming its a good thing (it happened with a Dungeons & Dragons film too, and there have been a few others). The first and only question that should ever be asked about this issue is.. how ethical is it. Answer that honestly and you never have to deal with the question of economics and demographics.

You can wax different reasons and ways to justify how art is dependent on this or that, but the basic truth is it is a necessity to human life. It nourishes the mind, and many would say the spirit too. And that kind of nourishment is as important as the nourishment of the flesh.

You can live without politicians, big cities or technology.

You cannot live without sustenance, the things that keep the mind and the body healthy and encourage growth and development.

Don’t paint a rosy ‘accept your fate cause you’re an artist and that’s your lot cause the masses rule’ picture. And don’t break this down into a world view. You’ve gone off on a very long tangent to justify what was essentially a criticism on small minded views within the torrent community that devaluate what torrents have the potential to do.

You’re focused on proving your ‘right’ to be deserving, and why it’s OKAY for you and your elk to not support the efforts of others with more than ego driven gratification.

The peasant masses said alot of things were okay at the dawn of the soviet empire. You should look it up, how many suddenly dissident artists were deported or exterminated because the ‘masses’ no longer agreed that they had the rights that their profession deserved.

And go back and look at the history of art. Artistry has been THE most revered and respected trades throughout history. And I point out revered and respected WITHOUT political or religious cohersion. Art is so powerful that governments and religions have been completely dependent on it to communicate their ideologies, and they are THE ONLY lasting effects of any religion or government.

The masses do not dictate the nature of art. It is the artist that molds and forms the culture you live in, and if you think that artists should be simpering suppliants that satisfy your insignificant, disrespectful hungers… think of a world where art is restricted to those that do pay their respects, and those that do not are forcefully rejected. Think of what your life would be like to not have access to any of the things.

Make no mistake that artists won’t kow tow to the ignorant masses, and know that the non-artists that do support the creative community are as greatly valued by artists as they are of the artists’ creations. The masses don’t contribute as is, you have everything to lose while we are already dealing with the difficult situation that you propose MIGHT happen.

The true cynicism is in your inability to acknowledge the value of others and give them their dues because you feel you and your perception of humanity is beyond the realm of paying for THAT commodity. You don’t contribute anything positive by your actions, and even further your negative attitude and actions by pointing and crying cynic when faced with someone who isn’t going to sugar coat a serious issue because you yourself don’t take it seriously. It doesn’t involve you except as a voyuer, a spectator. You don’t really care because you’re comfortable with the belief that you are in control, it won’t ever have any impact on your life.

I confidently speak on behalf of every artist, musician, filmmaker, writer, etc. out there. We don’t care what you believe. We care about what is impacting our lives right now and we aren’t going to cater to your comfortable world view just because you think it’s harsh or cynical. We are not specactors in all of this, we’re active participants, and I’ll end this thread by giving a heartfelt thank you to all those out there that I know DO support artists, and especially in the torrent community that want to see torrenting evolve into something more, but not at the expense of the authors whose content is being greatfully shared and absorbed.

I for one, have alot of work to get back to. So, thread terminated. :-)

45 Dec 17, 2007 at 22:05 by V

Ask the makers of Elephants Dream what they think. Google it, it’s a brilliant digital film rendered entirely in Blender. It was distributed over BitTorrent before becoming the first HD DVD ever produced in Europe.

46 Dec 17, 2007 at 23:47 by anonymous coward

We all support the arts. But like everything else in the world it takes a lot of hard work. The garbage man must deal with disease infested garbage. Computer technicians deal with out sourcing. (Something which turns out to be larger a nuisance then piracy) And artists, well artists, have been around for thousands of years. From the first man to draw a line in the sand to Rob Zombie. In my apology I have mentioned that their is a silver lining. What I mean is that even with free art (although unintentionally free), art will still live on. I understand you are upset about this in that you embrace the old ways. But humanity has it’s hopes and dreams (silver lining). You can never take that away, not even with every person pirating. Yo mention the doom of Napster. But that was almost a decade ago. Now it piracy is most definetly here to stay. It is not something you can control like weather. In a way it is like the first rain of spring. Bringing about change in a industry that many feel needs a change. It is the way of nature. Embrace change, don’t fight it. Try to see the god in it. (silver lining)

47 Dec 18, 2007 at 00:09 by oneplusone

[quote comment="240025"]Please understand that BitTorrent should be used first and foremost for education. Anyone and everyone should be getting education from this first. If this disappears, you movie downloaders will regret missing out on the best of the Information Age in the here and now.[/quote]

Hear, Hear!

Fully 80% of what I know has been sinc the advent of the web. That has accelerated exponetially since torrents increased the disemination of information. Awesome.

48 Dec 18, 2007 at 00:17 by Tyrant X (a filmmaker)

You haven’t properly read what I’ve talked about. I’m saying this us and them mentality is exactly what is STOPPING change from occuring, on both sides. That’s what pisses me off, positive thoughts are nice but they mean next to nothing in the real world. Positive ACTION means everything! I see more complaining and “fight the power” statements and no action on the whole from the majority, and that undermines the leading minority that are trying to push things out of the sandbox and into the real world. Read that last sentence again and pay understand the key word there is “undermines”.

Passive or no, are you part of the solution or part of the problem? Not one person that reads this site can sit on the middle ground. It’s one or the other, this is about ethical progress and development, not smokescreen piracy.

49 Dec 18, 2007 at 00:31 by Crimson

[quote comment="241277"][quote comment="239841"]and about

Person break, Lost, Heroes, i never knew about these before.

BITTorrent really helped them, now everyone knows all around the world about Heros/Person break Series!

Shit, they get free advertise !
Torrentsites paying for dedicated servers and advertising their shits for free and still they are not happy ! ! ![/quote]
So now that you know about them you’ve obviously bought the DVD boxsets or lobbied your local television stations to air these shows? Because if not, it doesn’t matter if you know about them or not - the producers, writers, actors still does not make any money from the fact you ‘know about it’.[/quote]

Good point.

50 Dec 18, 2007 at 00:44 by Crimson

Actually, I think it would make sense to come up with a new way of funding the artists and associates. I mean, to create the art, everyone got paid. So that’s covered, you just have to repay the guy who paid them.
There should be an easy way to find the bankroller of the artwork online, a centralized copyright-credit database; and having found the bankroller of the aristic work, there should be an easy to contribute money, like an associated one-stop site where you select the bankroller to pay, you select the work you are supporting, and you select the amount of money you want to contribute.
If online money transfers could be simplified and popularized, I think this would be a great idea: instead of FBI warnings on downloaded movies, there would be a “If you like this movie, please visit make a payment to (bankroller) for (this film)” , right before the credits.
Ideally this would be the prime method of getting money from us to the creators of artistic work; obviously that’s not possible, immediately or ever. However, I think it would be a great idea to implement right now _concurrently_ with the other sources of revenue they get.
Because honestly, I’d rather support the work directly by paying back its bankroller, then support the mafIAA by funneling the money through them.

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