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the fansubs are legal, except when licenced. and the fact its downloaded ‘illegally’ in the us is commercial retailers charge so much. in some cases you get 3 episodes on a dvd for $20. not a good deal. do they charge similiarly in singapore that it would be downloaded this way over there too?

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I don’t know about you guys, but I only obtain anime through underground methods (read: ‘illegal’) WHEN it is not available in Singapore – unfortunately, that is alot. When the opputunity arises though, I’ll gladly buy to support.

And as for the report that Singapore is the 1st in ‘illegal’ downloads, I feel that’s PURELY, PURELY bullshit.

for tripDei: Odex cannot track you, but other companies that specialise in the Internet, or even the ISP themselves can do so. However, going through such a process is questionalbe. To top it off, it violates the privacy ruling and that is why the judge threw out the request to let Odex claim the names from Singtel (or was it StarHub?). There ARE ways to mask your IP but it’s not my forte…

lets hope pac net wins against 0dex and starhub would appeal against 0dex too….Singtel is a betrayer internet service….haven even fight 0dex in court and decided to giv up and provide 0dex with ips.

I know P2P is probably a little riskier and i’m NOT touching any bitorrent cos Odex can kiss my butt b4 they see my money. XD

I think the real question is, how can we deal with laws that can arbitarily be redefined to favor big business? As it is, even big businesses are against VHS recording…

Priracy IS illegal, but let’s not forget that the downloaded items are taken from TV recordings which is not considered illegal.

Furthermore, all of the subs have explicitly said that the sub versions are for free. Further more, the true fans (of which are many and from personal expericnce) are more than happy to pay for good quality-subbed anime AFTER watching downloaded ones. Odex has failed badly in the area of subbing. The anime-community is NOT stupid.

I think the heart of the matter is this:
When does an item become ‘illegal’ in the eyes of the law? From the moment it is taped from TV? (that’s alot of people to sue) Or from the moment it is distributed freely? (I’m guessing 2/3 of the nation has to be sued.)

For all it’s worth, this will be an interesting ride.

Yes, downloading is illegal, however, the point here is that Odex has no right to sue downloaders, simply because they do not own the actual licenses or the product itself.

Now if the japanese production houses were to start suing people, that would be an entirely different story. And if they did that, even people downloading unlicensed/unsubbed anime would be in trouble. However, that’s not happening yet.

Next, from a business point of view, what Odex is doing is utterly foolish, since they are killing their own business.

Sure, some may argue that it isn’t foolish, since most downloaders do not buy from Odex anyway, so it doesn’t affect things much, but those same people have ignored the fact that Odex’s products, in a word, SUCK.

And then another group of people are arguing that if everyone starts boycotting Odex over this issue, then there would be no anime distributor in Singapore (since Odex would collapse).

In my opinion, good riddance. If I wanted to buy anime DVDs (who the hell still buys VCDs), I would order good quality ones from overseas, so whether Odex survives or not, I don’t give a fucking damn (pardon my language).

Will this help? Can someone actually try doing it?

Other than that, does anyone know whether its possible to route

So now i have:

1. Changed MAC address
2. Hide IP Platinium
3. PeerGuardian 2
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WTF!?!?! This is BT!!! n00b, do u know how COMMON BT PORTS ARE!?!?! even if u change ur external ip, it still gets fowarded to ur ip your isp issues u, oh and bt ports are soo distinctive because of the bandwidth they use.. all your isp needs to do is finger your ip and look at your “abnormal” bandwidth usage and viola! see that? TCP/UDP incoming outgoing data streams ahh.. :D :D dead meat! Solution, use direct download, tunnel ports and proxies, ssh connections.. blah blah blah.. and use TOR, dont use bt!

how much money is going do the ISP.. i wonder…

so if i download torrents in the states [movies games animes,etc]
i should expect a lawsuit???????

like i’ll get charged just cuz um downloiading torrents??

[sumbosdy plz reply... pretty imp question if um gonna b thorn into jail for watching stuffs i wouldn bother watching if i had to pay for it...]

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Even if the shows are not licensed to Odex, Odex is claiming that they’re cracking down illegal downloaders on the behalf of these AVPAS studios.

No. That would be wrong. Instead someone should jack off into his noddle soup, and put the video him drinking it on YouTube. His photos are all over Singapore now.

However, this crime doesn’t leave a physical impact – unlike, say, littering. Or stuffing up a toilet bowl.

Nor is it stealing, solely because the original shop STILL HAS ITS PRODUCT.

Companies litigating for “lost sales” implies that it is their right to “have customers”, which is DEBATABLE. Whatever happened to consumer choice and discretion? Why is it law that the customer must satisfy a company, and not the other way round?

Any campaign must demonize its opponents to have any effect. This one is no different.

First of all it sounds pretty much like bootleg to me even if it isnt, second of all shouldnt the company who sues people for downloading actually be the copyright owner and not a damn distributor?