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BitTorrent Releasers Are The New Kids On The Piracy Block

For many years movies have been released onto the Internet, trickling down the so-called ‘piracy pyramid’ from elitist and private sites. Now a new breed of release groups are starting to make waves, bringing media directly to the masses. Today we take a closer look at this scene and speak to groups on the frontline to see what makes them tick.

In our earlier article, BitTorrent Releasers Slice The Top Off Movie Piracy Pyramid, we took a first look at the growing phenomenon of blockbuster movies appearing on the Internet directly via BitTorrent. Traditionally, most movies have trickled down from ‘The Scene’, a network of highly secure servers and individuals with one critical flaw – everything they share privately leaks out to the wider Internet.

However, release groups inhabiting P2P networks such as BitTorrent are now sometimes managing to beat the old-schoolers to the punch, providing movies quicker and increasingly in better quality. So how are they pulling this off?

KoOlWaReZ, the admin of P2PElite, a new site currently under development with the aim of providing a home, profile and a central location for P2P release groups so they can interact with the public, says that while the Scene do a good job on quality and in many previous cases still get material first, times are changing.

“I’d say about two years ago, Scene had a nice grasp on getting things first, but lately anyone who has followed both Scene/P2P equally will know that P2P groups these days have more contacts,” he told TorrentFreak.

By default the super-secret nature of the Scene renders them hard to find. P2P groups, on the other hand, are a lot more accessible, which means that those who have access to movies can get them to these potential distributors a lot more easily. While in the past only the Scene could take credit for putting a first run movie onto the Internet first, increasingly those bragging rights are taken by P2P groups. So what motivates these individuals to do what they do?

Two groups, which asked to remain anonymous, were in agreement with the other groups in citing the overwhelming urge to share and the feelings of achievement associated with seeing tens of thousands of peers on torrents created by them. Others were prepared to speak on the record.

“My main reason aside from any other would be because of my affiliation with a certain community which me and other friends manage and run,” prolific releaser Noir told TorrentFreak.

However, altruism aside, there is another clear attraction for groups to release on P2P – an absolute lack of bureaucracy. Through years of tradition building, some of it well intentioned, some of it verging on the ridiculous, the Scene has accumulated a mind-boggling array of rules and regulations to which all members and releases must adhere. P2P releasers, on the other hand, are free to do whatever they like.

“[We release on P2P] because there are no specific rules to encode to,” release group PrisM told TorrentFreak. “We can encode to a better quality within our own standards, and try and make the best quality the source permits. We can also use all sources available.”

KoOlWaReZ also agreed that some of the grounds used in the Scene for a ‘nuking’ (an action taken against a release to disallow it) or even not nuking a release can affect quality and availability of releases. In the scenario below, a better quality version of a movie would be disallowed not due to lack of availability, but due to Scene rules.

“You pre a CAM [release a camcorder version of a movie], it doesn’t get nuked so the next group who has a much better CAM can’t use it now until they get direct line [for the audio track] to pre [release] a TS [Telesync - a cammed version of a movie with audio from a better quality direct source],” KoOlWaReZ explained. “What about the public? In the meantime we get to watch some funky flickering green tinted shit job.”

Others also agree that Scene rules have the potential to hold back the end product.

“The Scene has specific rules which diminish quality, while in P2P having no rules you see some encoders doing a little less than ‘masterpieces’,” says Noir. “You will see P2P putting in more effort into making a video look the same or better than the source itself with the use of filtering. So generally you will see better quality videos from P2P encoders.”

So does this mean that P2P release groups will eventually beat the Scene at their own game? Our contacts generally believed that over time that possibility definitely exists, but noted that P2P groups have a way to go and still owe a lot to their more exclusive cousins.

“The Scene is quite large, larger then P2P, and I have to say it’s more sophisticated,” notes Noir. “If it weren’t for the Scene, most of us in P2P at this moment would not be here.”

While Noir’s innumerable releases appear on both public and private trackers, PrisM favor private sites with acronyms such as TL, BB, THS, MH, SP, TA, PTF. Those with Google and 5 minutes spare  will find them easily. Other release groups we spoke with weren’t keen to say where they release first, but it’s clear that most releases end up on public trackers soon enough, just like the majority of Scene releases.

Inevitably we asked about security. PrisM told us that they tend to support private sites since they’re “more secure” and Noir told us that that although more open than the Scene, P2P groups take enough precautions to stay safe.

“Security on releasing P2P is at a very high standard now and a lot better than 3 years ago,” says PrisM. “The Scene has good security but it also creates ‘hotspots’ for companies like BREIN to investigate highly used servers which is a high risk.”

Two other groups contacted by TorrentFreak refused point blank to talk about their security and shrugged off suggestions that these days their work is very exposed. Questions about their sources went largely unanswered too, but a general theme was “from all the usual places, from all the usual suspects.” Noir acknowledged that things are getting more difficult, but said releases will continue to flow.

“I have been doing this for over 3 years now, and can gladly say I still enjoy it. P2P in general has changed quite a bit since. Although laws are getting harsher and things are getting harder, I’m still happy I can release a movie to a mass community which can entertain themselves for a few hours with family and friends. I’ll do this until I can’t anymore.”

As with all Scene vs P2P debates during the last decade, the comments below this article will inevitably contain arguments about who was really ‘first’ with a release, who stole what source from who, and who re-encoded someone else’s work, ad infinitum. While a few years ago P2P nearly always ‘stole’ the Scene’s work, these days it’s not unknown for the Scene to ‘steal’ the work of P2P groups. This has happened on a number of notable occasions recently, not least on the releases of Wolverine and the James Cameron blockbuster, Avatar.

But while the Scene always get uppity about this situation, it seems that most P2P groups don’t really care.

“We don’t really mind,” say PrisM. “After all, we do this to share with the world, so anyone is welcome to use what they want for whatever reason. We re-encode Scene releases, so they can feel free to do the same to ours. It’s what were about – sharing!”

It’s also probably fair to say that most BitTorrent downloaders don’t care about the source either, as long as the outcome is good. And two sources, as they say, must be better than one.

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  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Good article TF, and a good look into the groups that regularly give the MAFIAA b@stards a headache.

  • Chris

    I think the whole scene vs p2p thing is ridiculous. If the encode is good, that’s all that matters

  • blackjesus@1337x.org

    Very nice article and very well written and a big shout out to all the p2p groups and encoders

  • Acce

    The scene often act like those we want to fight! Unite and share, because sharing is one of the greatest virtue!

  • Ano

    I’m in both and P2P has had better quality rips for a while now, P2P isn’t governed by those stupid outdated standards rules, the scenes rules all need to be rewritten. Take example at the sports rules, 2010 saw a rewriting of those and it’s pretty good now.
    No one cares anymore about CDR, DVD sizing should be used. x264 also evolved a lot since 2008, those also need to be rewritten.
    The best thing in the scene is the 0day to be honest.

  • jovialau

    hear hear!!!!

  • Aninhumer

    It’s amusing looking at this from the perspective of the anime fansub community.
    I am used to knowing exactly who is releasing a series from AniDB, getting the official release easily on Tokyo Toshokan, and enjoying 720p h264 video as standard.
    Meanwhile the “Scene” is pratting about hoarding its CD sized XviD encodes in some bizarre elitist tower, and complaining when outsiders who can operate x264 competently make their own DVD rips.

  • Anon

    I do not see anything newsworthy here. Nothing we haven’t known before, mostly even things already mentioned by TF in earlier articles.

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  • Anonymous

    ^^pimping for “P2P elite” maybe??

    there’s really nothing here with this article.
    who cares, as long as we get to share/preview stuff at good/best quality?

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Oops, forgot to mention, a big thank you to all the “releasers” out there, since this article is about you I know you are reading this comment :)
    we just want to tell you; you are appreciated and have brought a lot of joy into our homes with your releases as well as saved us a lot of money on garbage that we would have cursed had we seen it at the cinema (without even counting the overpriced snacks).

    Thank you again and have a fantastic day!

  • RL

    It is so ironic that the scene groups get bent out of shape over someone else re-encoding for better or worse and distributing a product when that’s exactly what they do.

  • Jayson

    scene sux. crappy quality and outdated standards.

  • Draconian

    hmm they prolly wanna be like first to release, popularity xD

    http://seedthis.info

    looking for active users and uploaders (doesnt need to be scene any uploads are fine)

  • DiMENSiON

    A good read. Anyways, this whole thing to the general public would be a load of gibberish. For them, the name of the group matters little, as long as the print is good (exception to this are there, most notably aXXo, among others, (btw where did he go to?))

    Re-encoding and releasing is fine in my eyes, as far as the original source is credited by the uploader, from where ever he be, the Scene or the P2P groups.

  • JiMiTHiNG

    I do think that these P2P Groups have been putting out great quality stuff. And I also think the scene is riddled with stupid rules. However one thing they do right is security. They are paranoid b/c they have learned they have to be. I fear one morning we will wake up to news of some of these big p2p groups getting pinched hard. Hope I am wrong.

  • Anonymous

    FLAWL3SS, KiNGDOM, ViSiON, IMAGiNE and PrisM are just some of the names i keep seeing when people are looking for great releases. The quality is always top notch and you guys have a lot of respect in the p2p community. Keep up the good work :)

  • Bob

    I agree with #16. Doesn’t really matter on which platform something is released, because the groups whom are doing this are the best of the best.

    Keep ‘m coming!

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    Great article. It’s good to “hear” the voice behind the names we all know (like Noir and PrisM).

  • doll

    It is precisely the rules of the scene that makes it so that most releases are correct and usable..
    p2p releases can also be good, but without a nukenet or lack of oversight, the chance of someone whos clueless to release a bad rip will go up.

    There are mostly 2 scenes which are more open to p2p releasers, and that’s movies and music, the scene still dominates everything else including games, 0day, apps, software and tv.. Why don’t p2p groups do these? Because they don’t have the connections nor the inclination/skill/etc to do them.

    Movies are easy to rip, no cracking or capturing of streams.
    Anything that goes beyond this is too much for most p2p groups.. And scene ends up doing it, because they have the experience.

    This article was well written, but there are many p2pers out there who diss the scene constantly, but forget that for the past decade++ the scene has been responsible for 99% of all pirated content..

    Before you diss the scene remember what it used to be about..

  • DJDANK

    so who wants to elaborate on the acronyms for the private sites? Only one I could figure out was TL=TorrentLeech obviously…..but BB, THS, MH, SP, TA, PTF are a mystery to me…..anybody know, out of curiosity?

  • P2P ELiTE

    SP = ScenePalace.com @20

  • THG

    P2P kiddys are just rippers, do you think a p2p crew would ever have the skill of reverse engineering like Razor1911, CORE, Embrace and the likes, Dont think so.

  • silversurfer

    only prob i find is the 100000000 recodes encodes releases off the same file it eats database space and it does piss off users as some are low ratio see gd recode jump on it to see d the anther release appears which over takes the swarm due to it being a new upload

    thats the downside to no rules for p2p its more down to the site to deleate older or even only allow a limited amount of what recodes thay upp

    good side is gives more plp chance to learn how to recode/encode cams [ depending on source qualty] as most p2p recoders are willing to help on best ways on how to tweak the colours to get best qualty pic

  • Kirkpad

    @22 Kiddy rippers with sometimes quicker and higher quality sources. There’s nothing wrong with that. I wouldn’t really compare the software scene with the video scene, which I would assume are somewhat separate.

    I think that encoding a video is a completely different story from cracking an app or a videogame, and both sides should be treated with respect.

    Thanks to these releasers, their effort is appreciated!

  • BoogerBender

    Let’s all not forget the Deaf/International culture. There is a subtitle scene which is equivelent to the current scene groups out there. one of the top few very noticeable websites are subscene.com opensubtitles.org, and many many many more etc…
    There are many people who have empathy for our very largely ignored culture worldwide. Those who require subtitles and those who like to use them in cases to not to disturb others. When was the last time anyone ever heard/seen about deaf culture and piracy?
    Yeah? you guys/girls want to hear more? .. boogerbender knows…

  • BoogerBender

    Let’s all not forget the Deaf/International culture. There is a subtitle scene which is equivalent to the current scene groups out there. one of the top few very noticeable websites are subscene.com opensubtitles.org, and many many many more etc…
    There are many people who have empathy for our very largely ignored culture worldwide. Those who require subtitles and those who like to use them in cases to not to disturb others. When was the last time anyone ever heard/seen about deaf culture and piracy?
    Yeah? you guys/girls want to hear more? .. The last booger bender knows…

  • BoogerBender

    wow.. how did this happen ? sorry for the double post.peeps. cheers.

  • Tomas

    @19

    It’s not a big issue if we assume that the release group checks the release meets their own minimum quality before releasing it.

    Assuming some group of clueless people release a bad rip, it’d just get downvoted into oblivion and in future you’d know to ignore their releases.

    It’s somewhat ironic that many people download due to the beurocracy preventing official releases appearing in a reasonable timeframe (speaking mostly about TV here where, for example, in Finland they’re sometimes 2 years behind on popular USA shows such as House).

    Now the apparent saviour of that ridiculous situation has its own set of beaurocrats determining if they can or cannot have it.

    It reminds me of Animal Farm.

  • Kathy Watson

    Oh wow, sounds like a pretty cool group to me dude. Wow.

    real-anonymity.at.tc

  • jse

    to all you people who say “the scene sux” and “outdated standards” you need to wake the hell up. Each section of the scene is autonomous from the next, each section has it’s own rules and they are updated yearly so where the hell does outdated standards come from???? also if a p2p file got pre’d it would get nuked for being p2p so none of your releases get stolen. a note on standards though as you wacky p2p guys dont think it’s a good idea to standardize AR and resolution, i think it’s you guys who need to wake the hell up and learn what is actually going on

  • ew

    Scenes sux they often make others to do them a “repack” when release goes wrong

  • Ryzzo

    As much as I appreciate the efforts of scene releases, I agree with others above me that they need to update their outdated rules. CD sizing is archaic. Raring torrents into a hundred tiny pieces is no longer needed. But nonetheless, thanks and keep up the good work!

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    Noir rox

  • RocketSlug

    “You will see P2P putting in more effort into making a video look the same or better than the source itself with the use of filtering. So generally you will see better quality videos from P2P encoders.”

    D :

  • phishybongwaters

    Now, if only all p2p groups would act like Noir and actually TRY to use standardized settings so the rest of us are limited to watching on our damn computers.

    That alone is the reason i stick to scene releases first and go looking for a p2p if there’s problems.

    Each and every scene release will play, on all of my devices. The handful of noir releases do as well. That can NOT be said about most of the p2p groups, there are no standards to follow so it can be a crap shoot.

    the gay scene rules need to go, but standardized settings for encodes that produce high quality and COMPATIBILITY is the key for me, i’d rather stream that x264 or dvdrip to my ps3 and watch on a 42″ screen than on a laptop or painfully drag cables around to hook up my video out to the tv, like the olden days.

    JSE is right, unless you like watching stuff on your pc, scene releases are going to work on your standalone or game console, a good chunk of p2p won’t.

    Want an example? go download anything from season 1 and 2 of ghost hunters. Now, get both packs, the random p2p rips, and the standardized HDTV rips. Now try to play them on anything other than your pc.

    Out of sync, no audio, video stuttering and skipping.

    ETc ETc.

    P2P groups are really kicking some ass lately, and it’s not hard to tell the few you can rely on. the rest, reencodes of scene sources. No kingben, your stupid filtering didn’t fix anything, it just made it worse.

    But then you get a few completely kickass p2p rips that completely own the scene released counterpart.

    One last note that all of you seem to have forgotten. The “scene” doesn’t intend for YOU to ever get their crap, they don’t do it for YOU, they do it for the tightknit groups they have created, and someone leaks it to someone who torrents it.

    So yes, p2p might beat the scene to the public, but if p2p had the source, I promise you, it’s already on the topsites, it just takes time to filter down. Maybe I’m the only one that noticed as the scene busts escalated, the time for scene releases to hit the public has grown, exponentially.

    They aren’t competing with p2p, so it doesn’t really matter, but I’m thinking it might be by design. MPAA bots go after the newest release with the most peers, as that will give them the most ips to send letters to. If I was breaking scene rules and leaking stuff, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be the first person posting it on a public site, would you?

    We should appreciate all both sides of this do for us, because only 1 side does it for us. And p2p should remember, the networks, technology, and know how they are using came directly from the scene.

  • Eric_Q

    @ 30 Jse : agreed.

    It seems those p2p groups take pride in posting crappy cams first. The scene has an iNTERNAL tag that you can use so as not to dupe an earlier release. Said tag also allows non-standard size releases, e.g higher bitrate. The internal dvdrip of the second transformers movie is an example of that.

    Oh and this statement : “You will see P2P putting in more effort into making a video look the same or better than the source itself with the use of filtering. So generally you will see better quality videos from P2P encoders.”

    So, he’s saying he can do a better encode than studio-mastered dvd or bluray? Wow, way to be full of yourself there buddy. Go ask any audio/video purist : if the source material is decent enough, the less post-processing, the better. Why would anyone want to ruin a dvd or bluray that’s been mastered by engineers in a production house and run some avisynth/vdub filters in an attempt to make it better. That’s preposterous.

    Face it, the scene rules are drawn up by a council of groups, not just randomly decided upon by one person, as is the case with p2p encodes.

    Scene encodes will always be better, just accept it and move on.

    “The Scene has specific rules which diminish quality, while in P2P having no rules you see some encoders doing a little less than ‘masterpieces’,”
    Again, preposterous nonsense. Having no rules means you’ll have a massive clusterf*ck with your encodes, with no quality conrol enforced. Masterpieces my @ss. Try downloading a 1080p rip from the scene and one from p2p of the same movie, ripped off the same bluray.

  • Kitlope

    And then there’s us solo releasers that are not a part of any group, myself included.

    I’ve been releasing FLACs for 2.5 years and have 400+, its a lot of work but worth it, helping to contribute.

    Do a search for Kitlope and I’ll bet there’s something for everyone.

    /end shameless plug

  • Anonymous

    i dont like the fact that you can download a 1080 p movie at what ever size but new mp3s have to be v2? you watch a movie once but listen to music over and over.

    also when these guys run filters its usualy on a ts so its not like they are trying to remaster blurays.

  • PL

    nice to see an article that has to do with the internals instead of what country is cracking down on the pirates!

  • josh

    Child porn scam alert
    http://linkb.com/F4C1H

  • anonymous

    Let’s see p2p-erz release apps & games (and working cracks)? Oh wait, they can’t. If they could, they wouldn’t be p2p.

  • coredumped

    Nice to see such an article, but it’s a big one-way analysis.

    The P2P guys and the interviewer seem to think that the role of the Scene is to release things to the public.

    Well, it’s not. They couldn’t care less about the public.

    The Scene looks for quality. That’s why the scene has an own set of rules. That’s why things get nuked for reasons that seem stupid, etc.

    It’s about quality and tradition.

  • Ron the Don

    To the people supporting the scene standards of compressing an already compressed avi file, how does it feel to have your hard drive or seedbox server crash on you unexpectedly?
    Ever heard of defragmentation?
    I have news for you! All these fragmented rar files create havoc on your hard drive, which shorten the life span. It’s like driving your car with dirty oil.
    Be thankful that P2P cares about your hard drive and the safety of your computer.

  • moose

    Too much information. Can’t believe even P2P folks would talk to TL with all the MAFIAA trolls around here. And p2p groups do use WAY too many filters, not just on TS’s either. R5, screener, dvdrip it doesn’t matter. The end result is always plastic looking people and pixelated dark scenes.

  • anon

    To be honest the scene does not care about telesyncs and the whole pre-release movie scene, oldschool sceners were never even keen on the whole media scene in the first place. Many scene sites don’t and never did accept telesyncs, Centropy/maVen were the only ever respected groups for the section. I think most sceners will be happy to see the section completely stick to p2p considering its a section with notorious links to the public anyway, why even have the security risk from them.

    So let the kids have their fun, but if they ever do something big first just watch the crackdown happen fast and easy.

    Also to 43 the scene splits to rars even on compressed files because they are traded in multiple parts across ftps, multiple people send from multiple places at once.

  • Rulex

    You god damned communists!

    I love you all!

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  • mtbike

    Before you glorify this, think about who makes content. It’s not just the “big” studios folks. Go ahead, just keep taking something for nothing and pretty soon all you’ll have left is crap.

    Content has a cost. You may not think so, but ask anyone who creates it. It ain’t about free speech or new business models, on a mass scale–it’s really about theft.

    Copying a DVD for back-up (personal use) is one thing, but to glory in the actual large-scale theft of content is quite another. Go ahead, don’t buy that bag of chips and maybe pay a couple bucks for content you want. Maybe someone will do something nice for you in return when your hard work…

  • Not outdated?

    “The Scene” rules is not outdated?

    @36
    “Scene encodes will always be better, just accept it and move on.”
    These wizards, can make XviD perform better than x264, what geniuses. This is a discovery worth publishing… idiot.

    Only .avi, when we now have .mkv, only XviD when x264 is the obvious choice (when it comes to quality and size)?

    @42
    It is about tradition and standards, not quality. It’s obvious for anyone looking at TV and video rips in general.

    The scene has some important rules but please, come stay with us in 2010. Your releases can’t be of better quality\size when you refuse to use mkv \ x264. Still cutting and releasing in 700MB files is as some people have already mentioned, archaic. Has been for the last 2-3 years.

    Maybe it’s a plot to get so behind the times that they will eventually be ignored as some relic from the past, and left alone?

  • elduka

    i love noir, him arrow and diamond are my favs right now

  • :rolleyes:

    @48

    Copying is not theft, you haven’t deprived the owner of the original, all you have done is made a copy.

  • The Scene

    We Are Not Amused.

  • Anonymous

    P2p is shit. The scene has rules for a reason

  • Eric_Q

    @49 -”Not outdated?” : yes, x264 in mkv is more efficient than XviD in avi, but what will all those people with DVD-players that support DivX/XviD in avi do when you give them an x264 in mkv encode, will it play back on their systems? Try and find out before you mouth off like a blithering idiot. Besides, every movie gets 5 or 6 releases once retails are out : XviD / DVDR / 720p x264 / 1080p x264 / BDR / Original.Untouched.Bluray.

    The whole point of XviD nowadays is to be compliant with older home theater setups. Or watching on a computer etc. Which seems to be what you do. So, what you’re saying is penalize all those with older systems just so you can watch the latest shaky camrips in a 640×256 window on your computer? Great, way to be community-oriented there.

  • Information matters

    Great article, enigmax.

    Thanks for explaining what “nuke” means!

    P2P guys are my heros!

  • LinuxTrance

    I used to be a scene elitist, would only download scene releases from SCC and what not, but now I’ve moved on to IPT and similar sites and only look for Kingdom, Vision, Flawless, and Imagine releases.

  • Dawgdude

    http://www.xblade-scene.org Brand New Private torrent site everything will be up on seedboxes and dedicated servers open registration right now come sign up and check us out!!

  • evilneko

    LOL @42. Drank the defragger vendor’s kool-aid.

  • valorman

    another good “group” is MAXSPEED because they always know how to promote their releases , always they have very high popularity on the masses

  • @32 Ryzzo

    I agree that raring torrents is a load of crap.
    When you aren’t using torrents, though, it makes perfect sense. So don’t expect that to change and just stick to ViSiON, FLAWL3SS and such. :)

  • User

    @valorman (59)

    Maxspeed is a pile of excrement. The guy takes releases from the scene, writes its name at the end of it, also promoting a shitty website in the process, and uploads it to the Bay.
    Don’t need that.

  • BackInTheDayz

    Scene stuff sux! Nuff said!

    Lame V2, what a joke!

  • Not outdated?

    @54 Try and find out before you mouth off like a blithering idiot. —-

    Right back at you :)

    If you read my post again, I’m advocating using both. As it is now, no one releases tv rips in x264 because of scene ‘rules’.

    Regardless of what you believe there is now growing support for MKV in all areas, has been for the last 2 years. Most people can actually play back x264.

    They are supposed to be cutting edge, why get stuck in 2004 with no option?

  • R

    @59 MAXSPEED = Maxcopy & Maxrename

  • mariam

    @61 and @64 you guys are retards latest MAXSPEED torrent was about KINDOM’S out of sync torrent and they resynced for us so not rename or other idiots will say , always i trust them with the quality

  • @62

    @62

    Lame 3.97 V2 does very well in ABX tests. I call BS if you can hear the difference between a v2, v0, 320kps. Unless you using studio reference audiophile equipment.

  • anon

    KiNGDOM resynced it also. Turned out really good.

  • DERP

    There are two main things I hate about MOST P2P encoders.

    1) Every movie has to be a 700MB file! See if you got, let’s say a 2h30min movie, and you try to fit it in a 700MB file, it’ll look like shit.

    2) They do not realize how much worse it will look if encode from a XviD to another XviD. Use the fucking DVD/BD ISO and encode that shit from the source. So if they do what I said in #1, it will look EVEN WORSE.

  • Baronluigi

    There are two types of releasers on the internet: Those that are part of a organised team, and copies which belong to particular uploaders. I am part of the seconds xD. I have been uploading files since 2002 XD

  • only 4m of spare time :(

    SP = ScenePalace.com
    BB = HD-bb.org (possibly?)
    TL = TorrentLeech.org
    MH = Movie-Hogs.info
    PTF = PTFiles.net

    and I couldn’t figure out THS or TA, if anyone knows please halp!

  • Ty Mitty

    Daammmnn… very WELL written article. Thank you for that!

  • Frebble

    @70
    THS = Tophos

  • Seeder

    scene sux, then i read this:

    “Group Notes

    After more than a half decade we think it is time
    to change this message. The scene changed so much
    in the past few years. Many lamers hangin’ around
    sharing scene releases on public places such as
    FXP-Pubs, DC hubs, P2P networks and so on.

    WE DON’T WANT OUR RELEASES GETTiNG
    SPREAD TO SUCH LAME PLACES”

  • Soundwave

    AHaha, CDR. Did you download that using AOL and a modem?

  • Soundwave

    Dial-Up 4 Lyfe

  • Scene

    we will win, p2p will die,the scene will thrive as noob p2p gayboys cant have an archive of 20tb at there disposal.

  • siljaline

    @57
    A must seed policy doesn’t sit well with folks that don’t have tons of money to spend on bandwith to seed.

    Your type of site is not one that I wwould be visiting anytime soon.
    (all due, etc)
    @70 & @72
    great info
    @enigmax
    great article !
    Thanks and greetz,

  • siljaline

    @33
    Many folks I know, me included find it hard to determine who is a genuine loader @1337x and who is not. Any comment ?

    TA -

  • guess what

    excuse me, but some of you in here must be real idiots. p2p grps bring the stuff to gayasses like you are, while the scene (i mean the real one!) releases all its stuff for itself and the so called “friends” of them. its one of the oldest rules, that those releases, no matter if 0-day, games, movies or anything else, should NEVER get through to public sites. so IF you find scene-releases on public sites to download from rapidshit or your p2p-tools, remember, that one real scener took it from some topsite and leaked it to you gayasses, so that you can save some bucks from buying that dvd, cd or something…

    … NOT!

  • reaper

    @ 20 Jul 29, 2010 at 18:02 by DJDANK

    so who wants to elaborate on the acronyms for the private sites? Only one I could figure out was TL=TorrentLeech obviously…..but BB, THS, MH, SP, TA, PTF are a mystery to me…..anybody know, out of curiosity?

    hi i know ptf ptfiles.net

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