I swear that me and my friends (all lawyers) will sue them one day. and “Bezeq”. – stupid IsraEli(te)s ISPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezeq
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/012_%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C

bit-torrent (free speech) + truth (atheism) = RULE!!!

love and peace (and, maybe, hope — if at all?) from Israel.

I think it would be more precise to call it privilege, not a right.
Right is something that is considered inherently tied to a person, and irrevocable, such as right to life, right to free speech,… Please not that you cannot relinquish, nor contract away a right (for example by selling it), such contract would be illegal. This is not the case of copy”right”.

Copy”right” is not a right in this sense, because it allows one human to restrict the activity of another. So, it is not something necessary for society, it is just a policy to encourage creation, nothing more.

Copying is not theft. Theft is about physical stuff and can’t apply to the virtual, where nothing moves, nothing changes hands. If you copy a song, your HD doesn’t get heavier, what did you steal?

Illegal copying is a rights violation. You are violating the rights-owner’s ability to control distribution. This is not theft. You don’t steal rights, you infringe them. Saying this is theft, over and over and over and over and over and over again won’t make it so. If you’re going to attack the pirates, at least get your accusations straight. At least, that way, you’ll understand the counter-arguments.

As for this bittorrent throttling thing, it’s just plain sad. If they make is too bad then people will just start encrypting the traffic or hiding it in other traffic. Eventually, we’ll just bypass the ISPs entirely and start setting up our own wireless ad-hock P2P. You can’t stop the future… maybe slow it down a little, but not stop. ‘Aint it nice when our tech companies are the ones trying to stop progress; the sooner we get rid of them, the better.

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Well said. I’m familiar with that angle and wish others were before wading into the subject.

“For those who are too lazy to read…”

They would do well to do their research, homework.
It’s not like they don’t have the world’s greatest library at their fingertips.
The net is much more than torrents. ;)

For those who are too lazy to read, basically, it says that property is just a civilized solution to the problem of scarcity (that actually works, unlike communism) – since tangible things are scarce, they have to be divided someway, and private property is currently the best known way of dividing them.

Therefore, intellectual property is an oxymoron, because thoughts are not scarce. I can think the same thought as you without me diminishing yours, i can use the same idea as you do to my benefit, without taking away yours. This means that anyone advocating intellectual property laws is basically advocating creating artificial scarcity where none naturally exists by the way of granting state enforced monopoly. Is it such a surprise that people with common sense are fighting against monetizing thoughts?

As for copyright, if it would be used as originally intended, that is short time of monopoly to provide incentive for creation, followed by putting the work into public domain to benefit everyone in the society, i doubt there would be many opposing it. But the corporate mafiaa bribed our “representatives” to make laws which benefit privileged few instead of the society as a whole.

Yeah, I totally agree with you.

Its too late to do anything now. People at BitTorrent Inc. are just wasting their time.

Is China the king of piracy in the world no getting double digits growth?

IP is a barrier so tall that it slow down research and development it should be kept at a minimum just enough to make the mule go for it.

And that is what you get when you don’t have balanced laws, you get rampant disobedience, people loose confidence and start ignoring ridiculous laws.

One can argue all they want that is against the law but laws are written by man and they do change and in most cases they do change to conform to the reality on the ground that is the real truth. Like the squatters in the 19th century america that fought 2 decades and were granted special laws that to this day are valid. In the middle ages people revolted against laws and is history is just repeating itself.

If people start loosing their jobs you think people will pay for tollbooths in real life? what make people think they will respect imaginary goods?

o those of you that claim file sharing isnt stealing your far from right if someone was to walk down your street and borrow your car and then share it with their friends you would call the cops plain and simple. If someone walked upto you on the street and robbed you for your wallet you would call the cops. Just because you dont see the person your taking from doesnt mean your not stealing.

Hmmm…this is one way to put it but here is another.

If someone came to my house and copied my car I wouldn’t care, if someone on the street came and copied my wallet I wouldn’t care so no it is not stealing people didn’t take anything from anybody technically.

People are not going on and stealing T-Shirts, mugs or other physical things that is the difference people are making their own with their own resources but are not allowed because what we have today is a monopoly and every one knows monopolies are bad or not?

To the folks here who seem to be against that and/or file-sharing; consider that your own freedoms will suffer when others’ freedoms do. It’s not like you live on another planet or don’t have any family and friends, right?

To those who are taking a devil’s advocate stance, (even though they secretly believe in file-sharing), thanks for the inspirations… but I think you can do better with stronger arguments, right?
Because even if we agree that file-sharing is theft, your arguments still flop, in part, because if you don’t want your stuff to be stolen, then you simply need to keep it to yourself at home under lock and key– Especially in today’s day and age with rampant thievery. I mean, come on. :)

steal – noun
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force

As non of you file sharers have the permission or the right then it is stealing stop trying to justify yourself by saying it is ok. Theft is Theft regardless or how you look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQXLEtD5Do

@11: Neostyles, no amount of your pissing and moaning is going to change Canadian law. I don’t know if you have been paying attention, but Canadians pay a levy on blank media, which is then distributed to the entertainment industry. I think that’s fair, considering the amount of file sharers in Canada.

The problem here is threefold :
1) Canada’s media levey’s are not intended to compensate for the effects of piracy. As such, using them that way would prove insufficient.
2) Most people don’t use CD-Rs to pirate. This isn’t the 1980s. People use the internet.
3) Considering the above, most pirates will buy few CDs and thus incur little to no levy charges, while they pirate hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of material.

@14 : Very mature.

@21 :

Canada aren’t thieves. Don’t assume that copying a song = theft. It in fact = 2 songs. You can keep your copy, it’s prob full of drm not valuable to the customer anyways.

You are taking something without paying for it. You are using something without compensating the author. Isn’t that stealing by definition?

Like many people, you are confusing cause with effect. DRM didn’t cause piracy. Piracy caused DRM.

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This has gone too far…

my friend just sent me this article on FB n ur comment

i used to buy a lot of the stuff i downloaded but after ur comemnt im gonna stop buying n just keep downloading since u allrdy think im a thief might aswell go be 1.

So go ahead and steall stuff too. But eventually the cops will come after you. And you’ll be blaming the US, New world orders, SUVs, bananas et cetera.

Hard times indeed.

Why are the artists there producing less?

The reasoning of pro-copyrights people just don’t make sense, after all where rampant piracy should decimate the market it make it grow more how?

And none of this is specific to any particular protocol, so why single out BitTorrent/P2P? I think it’s interesting to note Bell launched their own media delivery service not long after throttling the P2P protocols. So tell me, how is one not to consider that as a rather suspicious move, as one quite possibly designed specifically to suppress the competition? Hell, they even throttled all the 3rd-party ISPs that purchase capacity through them! If they really had problems with bandwidth capacity then simply set realistic bandwidth limits, and charge realistic prices.

Nearly every user agree that:

ISP’s oversell their bandwidth expecting you to use 5% of what you are paying for.

Canada pays waaay more for Internet service then Japan or Korea and they get fiber to the home! (Canada COULD have to most major cities /w upgrading at shared cost from tax payers/ISP’s, even tho they spent their upgrade money already)

Bell was worst service for throttling, also caught on throttling service of wholesalers. Here sell your own internet UNDER us to pretend we are not a monopoly….lmfao.

Hopefully the envy gets at the good Canadian people. We want what Japan already has! Truly the land of unlimited Internet!

Once you tube starts clogging up or video doesn’t go fast enough people will bitch more and service shall improve.

Neo, “Canada have played right into the hands of thieves. Although, given the fact that their abysmal attitude towards copyright has been made well clear, this is hardly a surprise.”….ya stay out of Canada /w yer bribes and greed…

Canada aren’t thieves. Don’t assume that copying a song = theft. It in fact = 2 songs. You can keep your copy, it’s prob full of drm not valuable to the customer anyways.

I’ll download the ripped one w/o drm instead and then send the money directly to the artist instead of 10 cents on each dollar for your “representation”.

RT
http://www.anon-web-tools.us.tc

Not just you.

yet more meaningless bullshit from neocock.

except most all of us are “stabbing each other in the eyes” and they know it. If they want to throttle my upload to 150 kbps, I say meh.

Though it would be nice to upload in mbps from home.

Canada have played right into the hands of thieves. Although, given the fact that their abysmal attitude towards copyright has been made well clear, this is hardly a surprise.

Yeah, it would be like people stop making pencils, ’cause someone might/can/will stab someone in the eye with a pencil. It’s idiotic behavior at its worst.