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		<title>By: BitTorrent Inc. apoia neutralidade da rede no Canadá &#124; Remixtures</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BitTorrent Inc. apoia neutralidade da rede no Canadá &#124; Remixtures]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] o criador do protocolo original de distribuição de conteúdos com o mesmo nome &#8211; optou por submeter o seu próprio testemunho. Como afirmou Simon Morris, vice-presidente de Product Management da [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] o criador do protocolo original de distribuição de conteúdos com o mesmo nome &#8211; optou por submeter o seu próprio testemunho. Como afirmou Simon Morris, vice-presidente de Product Management da [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon.T (from TPFC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon.T (from TPFC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;012 Smile&quot; is blocking bit-torrent traffic in Israel.

I swear that me and my friends (all lawyers) will sue them one day. and &quot;Bezeq&quot;. - stupid IsraEli(te)s ISPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezeq
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/012_%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C

bit-torrent (free speech) + truth (atheism) = RULE!!!

love and peace (and, maybe, hope -- if at all?) from Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;012 Smile&#8221; is blocking bit-torrent traffic in Israel.</p>
<p>I swear that me and my friends (all lawyers) will sue them one day. and &#8220;Bezeq&#8221;. &#8211; stupid IsraEli(te)s ISPs.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezeq" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezeq</a><br />
<a href="http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/012_%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C" rel="nofollow">http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/012_%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C</a></p>
<p>bit-torrent (free speech) + truth (atheism) = RULE!!!</p>
<p>love and peace (and, maybe, hope &#8212; if at all?) from Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Odin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typo in previous post, substitute Please not ... by Please note ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo in previous post, substitute Please not &#8230; by Please note &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Odin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@42 &quot;Illegal copying is a rights violation.&quot; 

I think it would be more precise to call it privilege, not a right.
Right is something that is considered inherently tied to a person, and irrevocable, such as right to life, right to free speech,... Please not that you cannot relinquish, nor contract away a right (for example by selling it), such contract would be illegal. This is not the case of copy&quot;right&quot;.

Copy&quot;right&quot; is not a right in this sense, because it allows one human to restrict the activity of another. So, it is not something necessary for society, it is just a policy to encourage creation, nothing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42 &#8220;Illegal copying is a rights violation.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think it would be more precise to call it privilege, not a right.<br />
Right is something that is considered inherently tied to a person, and irrevocable, such as right to life, right to free speech,&#8230; Please not that you cannot relinquish, nor contract away a right (for example by selling it), such contract would be illegal. This is not the case of copy&#8221;right&#8221;.</p>
<p>Copy&#8221;right&#8221; is not a right in this sense, because it allows one human to restrict the activity of another. So, it is not something necessary for society, it is just a policy to encourage creation, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: FixerDave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@40, thank you, well said.

Copying is not theft.  Theft is about physical stuff and can&#039;t apply to the virtual, where nothing moves, nothing changes hands.  If you copy a song, your HD doesn&#039;t get heavier, what did you steal?

Illegal copying is a rights violation.  You are violating the rights-owner&#039;s ability to control distribution.  This is not theft.  You don&#039;t steal rights, you infringe them.  Saying this is theft, over and over and over and over and over and over again won&#039;t make it so.  If you&#039;re going to attack the pirates, at least get your accusations straight.  At least, that way, you&#039;ll understand the counter-arguments.

As for this bittorrent throttling thing, it&#039;s just plain sad.  If they make is too bad then people will just start encrypting the traffic or hiding it in other traffic.  Eventually, we&#039;ll just bypass the ISPs entirely and start setting up our own wireless ad-hock P2P.  You can&#039;t stop the future... maybe slow it down a little, but not stop.  &#039;Aint it nice when our tech companies are the ones trying to stop progress; the sooner we get rid of them, the better.

http://keliso.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@40, thank you, well said.</p>
<p>Copying is not theft.  Theft is about physical stuff and can&#8217;t apply to the virtual, where nothing moves, nothing changes hands.  If you copy a song, your HD doesn&#8217;t get heavier, what did you steal?</p>
<p>Illegal copying is a rights violation.  You are violating the rights-owner&#8217;s ability to control distribution.  This is not theft.  You don&#8217;t steal rights, you infringe them.  Saying this is theft, over and over and over and over and over and over again won&#8217;t make it so.  If you&#8217;re going to attack the pirates, at least get your accusations straight.  At least, that way, you&#8217;ll understand the counter-arguments.</p>
<p>As for this bittorrent throttling thing, it&#8217;s just plain sad.  If they make is too bad then people will just start encrypting the traffic or hiding it in other traffic.  Eventually, we&#8217;ll just bypass the ISPs entirely and start setting up our own wireless ad-hock P2P.  You can&#8217;t stop the future&#8230; maybe slow it down a little, but not stop.  &#8216;Aint it nice when our tech companies are the ones trying to stop progress; the sooner we get rid of them, the better.</p>
<p><a href="http://keliso.com" rel="nofollow">http://keliso.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bobe-On</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ 40 Aug 03, 2009 at 15:40 by Odin

Well said. I&#039;m familiar with that angle and wish others were before wading into the subject.

&quot;For those who are too lazy to read...&quot;

They would do well to do their research, homework. 
It&#039;s not like they don&#039;t have the world&#039;s greatest library at their fingertips.
The net is much more than torrents. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 40 Aug 03, 2009 at 15:40 by Odin</p>
<p>Well said. I&#8217;m familiar with that angle and wish others were before wading into the subject.</p>
<p>&#8220;For those who are too lazy to read&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>They would do well to do their research, homework.<br />
It&#8217;s not like they don&#8217;t have the world&#8217;s greatest library at their fingertips.<br />
The net is much more than torrents. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Thoughts Daily Net News &#8211; August 3, 2009 &#171; Bill Mullins&#8217; Weblog &#8211; Tech Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tech Thoughts Daily Net News &#8211; August 3, 2009 &#171; Bill Mullins&#8217; Weblog &#8211; Tech Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] BitTorrent Stands Up for Net Neutrality &#8211; In a late submission to the Canadian network management hearings of the CRTC, BitTorrent Inc. debunked some P2P myths and asked the committee to decide in favor of a neutral net. ISPs should look for other methods to deal with network congestion rather than discriminating against BitTorrent users, they say. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BitTorrent Stands Up for Net Neutrality &#8211; In a late submission to the Canadian network management hearings of the CRTC, BitTorrent Inc. debunked some P2P myths and asked the committee to decide in favor of a neutral net. ISPs should look for other methods to deal with network congestion rather than discriminating against BitTorrent users, they say. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Odin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To everyone who says sharing is theft, read this http://mises.org/books/against.pdf for a very persuasive rebuke.

For those who are too lazy to read, basically, it says that property is just a civilized solution to the problem of scarcity (that actually works, unlike communism) - since tangible things are scarce, they have to be divided someway, and private property is currently the best known way of dividing them.

Therefore, intellectual property is an oxymoron, because thoughts are not scarce. I can think the same thought as you without me diminishing yours, i can use the same idea as you do to my benefit, without taking away yours. This means that anyone advocating intellectual property laws is basically advocating creating artificial scarcity where none naturally exists by the way of granting state enforced monopoly. Is it such a surprise that people with common sense are fighting against monetizing thoughts?

As for copyright, if it would be used as originally intended, that is short time of monopoly to provide incentive for creation, followed by putting the work into public domain to benefit everyone in the society, i doubt there would be many opposing it. But the corporate mafiaa bribed our &quot;representatives&quot; to make laws which benefit privileged few instead of the society as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone who says sharing is theft, read this <a href="http://mises.org/books/against.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/books/against.pdf</a> for a very persuasive rebuke.</p>
<p>For those who are too lazy to read, basically, it says that property is just a civilized solution to the problem of scarcity (that actually works, unlike communism) &#8211; since tangible things are scarce, they have to be divided someway, and private property is currently the best known way of dividing them.</p>
<p>Therefore, intellectual property is an oxymoron, because thoughts are not scarce. I can think the same thought as you without me diminishing yours, i can use the same idea as you do to my benefit, without taking away yours. This means that anyone advocating intellectual property laws is basically advocating creating artificial scarcity where none naturally exists by the way of granting state enforced monopoly. Is it such a surprise that people with common sense are fighting against monetizing thoughts?</p>
<p>As for copyright, if it would be used as originally intended, that is short time of monopoly to provide incentive for creation, followed by putting the work into public domain to benefit everyone in the society, i doubt there would be many opposing it. But the corporate mafiaa bribed our &#8220;representatives&#8221; to make laws which benefit privileged few instead of the society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: WTF</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Tard
If someone made a copy of my car and shared it with the whole world, I wouldnt give a damn.  We aren&#039;t stealing the original master, just sharing the finished prints, so the rest of the class can see what we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tard<br />
If someone made a copy of my car and shared it with the whole world, I wouldnt give a damn.  We aren&#8217;t stealing the original master, just sharing the finished prints, so the rest of the class can see what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymouzZ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@35 

Yeah, I totally agree with you. 

Its too late to do anything now. People at BitTorrent Inc. are just wasting their time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35 </p>
<p>Yeah, I totally agree with you. </p>
<p>Its too late to do anything now. People at BitTorrent Inc. are just wasting their time.</p>
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