that way there would be abit of muscle to fight back and make it ALOT harder for them to work out what server is serving up what torrents and whos done what on what server and if they do take down a server theres still hundreds to pick up the slack and keep the site going (i doubt they would have the muscle or be smart enough to organize a 1000-2000 server take down in multiple countrys within 24-48 hrs of eachother which would be needed to totally close the site and take down the tracker)

anyway as i said just an idea lemme know what u guys think

You’re an overly self-entitled idiot. Video games are a luxury, not a right, as are movies, songs, and other electronic entertainment. Stop being such a whiner. “I deserve this, I deserve that” — you deserve a kick in the ass for thinking you deserve anything. There are lots of poorer people in the world who are grateful just for the fact that they have food to eat, and much more who are grateful for even less… and here you are, complaining that you’re not allowed to steal copyrighted material anymore. Get a life! I’m grateful for the fact that torrents have existed this long, but I am fully aware that most of the material is pirated. I know our days are numbered, and I really can’t blame the artists who author this material for wanting some kind of money for their effort.

http://mediadefender-defenders.com/threads.html#00001%20==%20fun!

http://www.emule-project.net

The real problem you’re talking about in your post is the unjust inequality between rich and poor countries in the world.

Getting the latest PSP game is not going to fix that…

I agree with you though, but I think you missing the more important bigger picture.

I’ve been reading all of these articles about the Americans ordering other countries to shut down this, and shut down that. Well I say they shouldn’t be interfering with stuff that’s none of their damn business, so to speak. Seriously, each country has
their own laws and if they can’t put them through properly that’s their problem. As far as torrents are concerned, give it a break. I don’t care whatever some blind-legal follower has to say about pirating software and distributing copyrighted material in such a way, but the fact is – a game, retail, in a box, from a store, costs a rough average of 50$ (let me just generalize the currency here for a bit…) and when you take into account that not everyone is American with a pay of 5000$, especially in the poorer countries, do you really wanna give 10% of your salary on a video game? Seriously, it’s a VIDEO GAME. It’s meant, for entertainment, for killing time, not to rob you blind.

I live in Croatia, just to prove a point, here the average salary is 500$ dollars. And that’s if your lucky. A whole lot of people work for 300$, EVEN less. That’s barely enough to cover your bills. The bare minimum. What about broadband, cable TV, and the other luxuries? You can just forget about it. Yeah, not everyone has plasma TV’s in their living room and XBOX 360′s, that’s a fact. So can these people really afford to give 10-20% of their pay for a damn VIDEO game? Seriously, a Croatian video game has been released now, for about 10$. And yes, I’m going to buy it. Because that’s about the right price to pay for a video game.

In my house the income is about 2000 dollars, but when you take out all the credits and monthly bills there’s not much left. (I pay 30$ for 1 mbit flatrate…) I still can’t afford original videogames.
So does that mean I shouldn’t be playing anything?

And that’s just video games. What about programs like adobe photoshop that cost about 200 dollars? What, am I gonna give 200 dollars to make myself a damn forum signature from time to time? Like hell I am. The prices on PC stuff is outrageous as it is. That’s why I give full support to these guys who have the guts to stand up to the stuck-up fools in these government institutions that think they can actually change something. As long as there’s software, there’ll be piracy. As long as they make protections, cracking groups will break them. Starforce and all these morons be damned. I’m sure if they’d lower the prices on all of this stuff just a bit, they’d get a lot more sales.
That’s just my 2 cents.

Peace

i can find .torrent files without need of a website; all we need is to create a decentralized software with new torrent files specific features.

Just checkout that sancho software

http://www.tbdev.net/

Wow. Maybe i’ll start work on
( Project HYDRA ) this summer.

The first instance of the pattern that I recognized was with lyrics.ch back in the mid 90′s. Back then, when you wanted the lyrics to a song, the only place that was pretty much guaranteed to have it was the site, lyrics.ch.

The big companies took on that site, and made it practically worthless. What happened? A hundred lyrics sites popped up, none as comprehensive as lyrics.ch, but together, they greatly exceed the information available from that parent site.

The various lawsuits against P2P software providers have done the same thing for that industry. Napster got killed, Morpheous died, AudioGalaxy bit it. So Kazaa, Bittorrent, Limewire, Gnutella, et al picked up the banner.

Who is getting rich in these fights? The RIAA? MPAA? Nope. Their lawyers. Nobody else.

I mean we can find things in Warez if this search can be decentralized then we wont need PirateBay.

You’d think so-called technically-savvy people would have a better forecasting handle on the situation…but apparently not.

And leave DHT *on*, you idiots — how do you expect people to find your torrent if all the announce URLs go dead?

Does your private site demand (or worse, alter your uploaded torrent automatically) that DHT be shut off? Give ‘em the finger and go elsewhere.

Search.

There is no p2p search, mostly because of the decentralized methods of p2p that have be come popular (putting ISPs in a VERY tight place, this is the reason for the anti-net neutrality initiatives. unregistered p2p traffic comes from bandwidth blocks where more useage increases costs but not revenues). Once we have a method of searching the cloud we won’t need a centralized tracker like mininova or the Pirate Bay. What we need is someone to get down and work on that fuctionality, not more sites, as nice as that would be =).

Peace

Agree with most of the comments so far.

Trying to make a site and advertise it is hard. Very hard to build up a good base and nevermind build up a good amount of torrents. Sure someone might be able to make the next OiNK but it would be tough.

What’s the point of having ten thousand different sites? I already have trouble looking through the amount of torrent sites out there. With hundreds then it would be even harder.

I don’t see how having hundreds of sites will make it easier. Yes, it will make it harder for them to shut it down.

Thinking about this I think of Gravity’s MMO Ragnarok. There is thousands of Ragnarok private servers out there and Gravity just has given up on shutting them down. The private servers have found loopholes in order to get around the law. What we need is a torrenter to study law and find us a half dozen loopholes that can be followed.

Anyone else interested in helping out can PM me as bad_andy on fst.. :)

Cut of the head from a Hydra, and it will regrow. In case of bittorrent, it will spawn dozens of smaller heads.

Take down the Pirate Bay, and sure, the first few months the effect will be felt. But the moment the Pirate Bay or any other big site is taken down, dozen or more “Pirate Ship, MiniPirate, etc” will spawn. After that, they will grow to form a even larger community.

This is what Suprnova has shown use. Free advertisment! Every site on the globe will be posting that news, and everywhere where you can post comments on those article, you will have people posting like to alternative sites, new sites etc.

In other words, this will drive a new influx of people who hardly used torrents to those sites. We have seen it again, and again.

And with the lessons learned from the take down, more security measures will be taken by the admins.

Its a never ending cycle that can’t be stopped by just trying to take down the sites. On the contrary, the take down from Napster, Suprnova etc, has only increased the general publics about all the alternatives.

One can say, that in effect, they helped expand the p2p community with every big take down ( and this has been documented. After a big take down there is a large drop. After a few month’s, there are more people on those networks, then the normal growth without the take down will have produced ).

Its like showing a things on the tv news, like a pyro, family drama etc. The effect is, that you will have copycat incidents because it gave people that ideas. And as with Napster, Suprnova etc, all published on the web, tv, etc. It only fuels the growth.

Its a fight they can never win! There are so many ways to get ‘copyrighted’ content, that they can’t stop it.

And, also with the decrease in bandwidth prices, major drop in server prices, john doe can afford a nice server, and can start serving torrents, acting like a hub, setting up a network, or running a irc bot.

And Jpeezy, yes, there are hundreds of tracker scripts available on the web.

Unless they start dealing with the root of the problem, this will not change. And the root of the problem is: To expensive, to restrictive, hard to get.

People are lazy in nature. Why drive to the store, stand in line, pay 60€’s for a game, when you can download it while you work on your pc, pay nothing, and have easy to use programs that do it for you…

Thats why we are seeing more sites like Steam, GamersGate, direct2drive, itunes etc. While i do find that Steam, direct2drive, itunes are to expensive for a direct to customer sale.

You cut out the middle man, yet you charge almost the same as the stores? That aint right. But the future will fix that. As more stores like this show up, the competition will grow, and so will the prices drop.