Comments on: BitTorrent Tracker Hosting Illegal Says Dutch Court

By: Christopher

Christopher — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:38:24 +0000

“As of this writing no one has convinced me that copyright such as it is is fundamentally wrong.”

Copyright isn’t fundamentally wrong. However, the extremes that this ‘fight against piracy’ is being taken to is wrong. Let’s face facts: we have been being GOUGED by the movie, music and game companies for YEARS now, so long that most people don’t even realize that they are being gouged anymore because they have grown up being gouged by these industries.

By: elvis1

elvis1 — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:10:41 +0000

pretty shitty

By: TT

TT — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:14:25 +0000

Anonymous writes “It is very important to change whatever minds we can so that we can establish a voting coalition. Somebody please do this.” I am open to hearing your arguments. As of this writing no one has convinced me that copyright such as it is is fundamentally wrong. But I always try to be open to new ideas – please bring them forthwith! At the moment I don;t hear any quality arguments defending the rights of copyright pirates that sways me in the least – just a lot of people asserting without justification that they should be allowed to have work that others have spent time and money on, for free – even when it is clear that the providers want to be paid for their work.

By: contis

contis — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:54:17 +0000

PUT IN JAIL THOSE F…. TORRENT BASTARDS WHO’S STEALING OTHER’S PEOPLE WORK AND SWEAT! BUST THEM UP AND TAKE ALL THEY HAVE EARNED BY PIRACY!

By: sinner

sinner — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:20:48 +0000

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By: Bumblebee

Bumblebee — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:28:22 +0000

I see there are people making comments here that are far brighter than the lawyers representing the accused. I think the lawyers should resign together with the judge or I shall suspect there may be something smelly between the two parties!!!

By: unknown

unknown — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:21:02 +0000

all sites will be shut down!
icludes the following:
mininova
torrent bytes
torrent damage
torrentzilla
torrent-matrix
bitnova
newtorrents
influx torrents
moviex.info
eztv
below have been warned only secoudn time they will go:
rapidshare
megauplaod
zshare
megashare
netload
http://www.rlslog.net

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they all have been taken to court when these shut down boom the p2p file sharing system will crash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
basically downlaoding piracy software in the future will be impossible

By: Sarah

Sarah — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:43:39 +0000

I think this is hilarious because just yesterday everyone was criticising Indiana Gregg for asking questions about this very issue. I think it’s fucking hilarious. All those people saying no, it will never happen. Then, there was other ISP’s like Virgin sending letters out to their clients and also that now Youtube has to hand everybody’s IP addresses over. I think that your IP address is similar to a passport in some ways. I can’t watch shows on BBC iplayer when I’m not in the UK. They block me from doing it.

By: Danny

Danny — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:41:28 +0000

I say well done for Leaseweb for fighting.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:39:52 +0000

If you people want to sign a pledge to declare your intentions of wanting to be part of a struggle to reform copyright law, here it is:

http://www.28chan.org/pledge.php

By: Will

Will — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:09:26 +0000

Decentralized trackers sure are nice! ;)

By: Kenny Kenny

Kenny Kenny — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:04:18 +0000

It is illegal duh.

By: Jimmyy

Jimmyy — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:01:27 +0000

(downloading music and movies is legal in the Netherlands)

What about uploading?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:19:03 +0000

I am not very good at website design, but I have attempted to create a pledge for people who are willing to struggle for a cause, so that there might be a chance that we could take action collectively.

It is at http://www.28chan.org/pledge.php

What do you people think?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:01:44 +0000

So what does that say about guns and bullets? (Old argument) Do the manufactures there facilitate the committing of a crimes with weapons? Do we need to shut them down? I just am concerned about this ruling and how it may effect other areas.

By: Xer

Xer — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0000

Someone needs to explain these guys something about truthfulness.

http://crankdatshitup.com/pages/social_ladders/how_to_be_cool/honesty_a_core_life_skill.html

By: Belligerent Engine

Belligerent Engine — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:01:19 +0000

Still rolling with TPB. Hasn’t let me down yet.

By: Har har me harties

Har har me harties — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:13:25 +0000

rofl @ 42

This ruling doesn’t mean anything. I’ll still support fileshares.

By: shibirian

shibirian — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:16:48 +0000

so let me get this straight; filesharing and infringing copyrights is forbidden and evil, but selling child-porn and zoophilia-porn, guns and pot on any of amsterdam’s streetcorners to anyone who wants (without a license or else) is alright and good.

the people netherlands really suck. big time! >:-(

By: Anon

Anon — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:19:10 +0000

I think this is a signal to all torrent tracker admins: lock your shit down! Use fake details and a service like WebMoney that will allow you to submit payment through less tracable methods. As a user of many trackers private and public I say this to you: we really appreciate all that you do, but its not worth you going to prison or getting huge fines! Clean up your acts, stop posting your pictures in the forums, don’t tell people your IRL name, and above all use fake payment details. The powers that be are angry as fuck that the information age has become the free information age. We love what you do and it isn’t terribly hard to protect yourselves. Trust me, we can deal with small amounts of downtime if we know our favourite uploaders aren’t going to jail!

By: Aninhumer

Aninhumer — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:36:36 +0000

@Everyone bashing the Judge

I don’t think it’s fair to say the Judge has to understand the technology thoroughly before entering the courtroom.
If the case of either side is based on how the tech works, then it should be their job to explain that to the Judge.
Any good Judge should listen to this explanation and make his decision with the new knowledge.
It is unreasonable to expect a Judge to know everything about everything just to be able to sit a case.
However, if the Judge did not pay attention to the explanations then at that point you have an excuse to criticise him.

Also as @28 said if the law includes “facilitating copyright infringement” then there is probably nothing wrong with his judgement, just something wrong with the law.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:17:02 +0000

I think that the morons that are constantly suing, (unfortunately) have an advantage in court due to the fact that a majority of the judges don’t have an unbiased idea of what torrents are about. They would only get told one side of the story and once again, the idiots succeed and this is a definite advantage to them.
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By: AboDabo

AboDabo — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:21:35 +0000

No panic.
Help is here http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/

By: David Bradley

David Bradley — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:20:22 +0000

Dutch law is quite bizarre, you’re allowed to have sex in public parks, but you cannot let your dog off its lead. You can smoke a joint in a brown cafe, but not tobacco, and you can buy any kind of gratification you can think of in the red light district of Amsterdam but you can’t share files…

By: neokake

neokake — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:53:12 +0000

Why no one thinks on using hosting of south america, here are lots of sites that share everithing, we are so behind of internet laws.

By: Myztry

Myztry — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:28:52 +0000

I just use the media sharing built into Windows Vista to illegal share with other people…
(Besides audidence size, what’s the difference?)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:58:30 +0000

We need to start a website for all the pro-file-sharing people to gather and plan actions.

By: John

John — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:44:03 +0000

The internets just about dead now anyway, fucking Corps and lawyers are destroying the beauty that was the internet.

By: Jiggy-Ninja

Jiggy-Ninja — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:23:30 +0000

@31

Hell no. I said the decision was justified under the current laws. I never said I like the current laws.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:10:49 +0000

@28
So you’re saying you should just ban the internet, huh? What about Google, should Google also be banned?

By: JIm Beam

JIm Beam — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:07:32 +0000

LOL, who cares what some stupid kangaroo Dutch court says LOL. What a joke.

JT
http://www.PRivacy-Center.net

By: One question

One question — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:36:39 +0000

Why do people that work for BREIN feel safe to walk the streets?

By: Jiggy-Ninja

Jiggy-Ninja — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:54:17 +0000

I was wondering when someone would make the argument that while torrent files don’t directly infringe copyright, they do participate in the process of infringement.

I’m not saying that I support this decision, but in defense of the judge under current copyright laws his reasoning is justified. He’s not stupid because of this decision. In fact, from what I read it seems he has a fairly reasonable understanding of how Bittorrent works. Torrents don’t commit the crime, but they are accomplices.

However justified the judge might be though, I don’t support this decision. The digital revolution and social computing are here and P2P technology is fundamentally rewriting all the rules about the manufacture and distribution of any good that can be represented as digital information. You cannot kill digital “piracy” and it is foolish to try. All you can do is adapt.

By: Smokey McPot

Smokey McPot — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:37:28 +0000

there are plenty of hosts that will take prepaid or “gift” visa cards.

By: Jasper van Weerd

Jasper van Weerd — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:36:10 +0000

the host will always have a bank account, you can fake your name easy on bank accounts for free… so, I think they have personal info available.

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By: ul

ul — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:11:50 +0000

That’s good. We need to clean out the filth on the internet.

By: CRK

CRK — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:00:24 +0000

Well, the internet is used for downloading files, so it should be declared illegal, and all the providers should be taken to court.
After that, all PC manufacturers should be jailed, because the computers are used to download copyrighted materials from the internet.
And then, electricty should be denied to all ppl, as they might have a computer and start downloading stuff…

So here we are…in the stone age!

By: greylion

greylion — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:49:51 +0000

Maybe the judge got a nice little beach house in return..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:35:56 +0000

And don’t just tell me to do this instead. By asking someone else to do th is, I have already made it clear that I am one who cannot do this. Nothing can ever begin by people saying “you do it instead” to all requests. I am making a request for someone to take action, and nothing can ever happen by telling me to do it instead.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:21:05 +0000

Somebody please start a website dedicated to changing people’s minds about copyright. Commonsensemedia.org is one example of a group of people deluded about what is right and what is wrong:

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/newsletter/archive.php?id=2003-09-12#story4

It is very important to change whatever minds we can so that we can establish a voting coalition. Somebody please do this.

By: kdsde

kdsde — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:56:43 +0000

if this technology ignorant judge has a bankrobber to sentence next week will he rule that Ford will declared illegal in .nl since the robber used an old ford mustang as getaway car.
Or will he sentence the head of konijklicht(sp?) cartography institue to go to jail with the robber too since his institute provided the robber with the streetmap he used to find the bank to rob?
If this judge would rule in a “real world”-case with the same reasoning he did in the “virtual world” I bet his superiours (unless they are mentally fucked up like him too) will ask him to retire ASAP!

By: kdsde

kdsde — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:51:04 +0000

so may i ask this bitterballen eaiting judge:
what is your opinion about the responsibility of google then?
Since searching for downloads using googles capabilities would then be an integral part of the illegal downloads too.
given the judges reason (as far it is accurately represented in Ernestos post here) needs google.nl close shop on august 1st?

IMO there should be a law in every internet connected country that does make it a violation of due process if the judge that rules about a topic has no serious clue about it!

By: P2P Lover

P2P Lover — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:49:54 +0000

What a joke BREIN is! They got lucky by getting a ignorant, technology stupid judge. I wish that judges would learn how about how the technology works before issuing a verdict!

By: #YLS#

#YLS# — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:43:44 +0000

I think what really needs to take place is a new underground network for tracker operaters…

Say you had a couple sites over the entire world… Use a virtual server platform in each one… If laws become a problem transfer from one site to the next over a VPN with the trackers only using a little down time.

By: US

US — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:38:37 +0000

BREIN is getting really annoying out here…
Get all those trackers to Sweden or something, where there aren’t any dumb.ss organizations like BREIN

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:31:00 +0000

What we must do is we must embark on a letter-writing campaign and embark on protest campaigns against small anti-piracy targets, first, like commonsensemedia.org, which clearly expresses backwards sentiments: http://www.commonsensemedia.org/newsletter/archive.php?id=2003-09-12

By: haha

haha — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:07:54 +0000

oh gnoes its teh internet police!

-indiana gregg
‘The Jessica Simpson of the internet’

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:54:52 +0000

lol

By: Number 9

Number 9 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:41:31 +0000

I hope you paid royalities for posting that.

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By: Christopher

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