Comments on: BitTorrent Users Refuse To Pay Copyright Fines

By: Power To The People

Power To The People — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:02:34 +0000

I have also recieved a threatening letter about Race 07, and shall be seeking legal advice. Its a typical case of the big business kicking the little man so in response i suggest we fight back in a united front and kick them where it hurts the most “in the pocket”. If everyone reading this forum tells all their friends, family and colleagues etc to BOYCOTT any games or any other related product from atari, in a short perdiod of time the company will be suffering financially especially during this credit crunch. Remember we must all do it. Don’t But Atari!

United We Stand, Divided We Fall

By: Jack

Jack — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:35:53 +0000

where can I download the game? I dont like dirt but the other one rocks….sweet Jesus I have been ripped off for years; now I can try before I buy: I buy less cause I see they suk before opening my wallet.

Solicitors, the legal system all blow: money talks: poverty is a good shield, use it wisely

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:29:39 +0000

im justing waiting for my court papers to arrive!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:07:52 +0000

Do we dont pay even if the file in question is something we did actually download?

By: Lol

Lol — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:38:21 +0000

As usual, they do it for money. Don’t pay those greedy bastards, and soon, their little bodies will shrivel up in hell.

By: spineless d/l threats

spineless d/l threats — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:53:45 +0000

these c*nts from davenport sent me one of their threatening b.s. letters thanks to shitty virgin media too. i laughed as soon as i read it and tossed it in the bin, a bunch of illegally obtained threats thats all. if they want to take it to court, then go ahead and try to prove something. I will never pay! ha ha

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:22:09 +0000

How comes the Virgin customer service manager assures me that they cannot, by UK law, give away personal details of their clients in any circumstances, not even a court order, and still Davenport got my name and address? Who’s lying?

By: Robin

Robin — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:14:28 +0000

Maybe Davenport Lyons should be taken to court for harassment, defamation of character and fraud. Wouldn’t this be considered a form of racketeering that mobsters used to squeeze money out of small business’ for ‘protection’? Maybe Davenport Lyons should be brought before a criminal court under the UK’s equivalent to US RICO laws if they have any.

By: Hulk Smash :)

Hulk Smash :) — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:40:41 +0000

@50
Hulk didn’t suck. It’s your personal opinion that it did. No one gives a **** what one dude thinks about a movie. talk about the topic at hand.

By: Richard

Richard — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:02:24 +0000

Enigmax, Good article- thanks. As per @60, it would be nice if you could substantiate your statistics of 40 to 50%.

By: PiercedPunk

PiercedPunk — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:47:13 +0000

More people should refuse to pay.

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By: FlaminYanks

FlaminYanks — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:35:03 +0000

For those of you talking about the MPAA, RIAA, BK Chapter 7., etc – please note that the UK was not, when I last looked, a State of the Union.

By: Phishybongwaters

Phishybongwaters — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:16:36 +0000

You’ll see more and more of this as more people are made aware of their rights.

Simplest of terms, the RIAA/MPAA have no case against you UNLESS you are caught red-handed uploading pirate content to them, or you physically have the stuff on flash or optical media.

When it comes to bittorrent, all they have is logs. Logs of IP addresses. All they can prove is you were present in the swarm. They can even go so far as to say you downloaded this and uploaded that, in megs.

This doesn’t mean you are a pirate, downloading 99% of a copyrighted file, but not completing it, is hardly a crime.

Same with sharing bits of it, you haven’t made it ‘available’ and you have provided 0 people with it, and you have stolen NOTHING.

This is why they want you to settle, they don’t go after smart people. I was getting letters in record numbers via IRC back in the day. @ things covered my ass.

1, they were sent from, and pertaining to, US laws.

2, I’m an IT guy by trade, and know they had nothing substantial on me.

Educate yourself, and take it to court, you WILL win, if you are willing to take the time, effort, and spend the $$$$.

I’ll be defending myself.

By: lolllll

lolllll — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:06:11 +0000

“It’s thought that around 40% to 50%”

Whats the point giving percentages if youve blatantly made them up. If a statistic begins with “its thought” then there no point including it.

Other than that, nice article.

By: andy

andy — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:21:19 +0000

I am a musician and feel that that the current system of large record companies ends up ruining music. Because of them people like Brittany Spears makes millions but is not a good musician. However it never used to be like that… only good musicians got deals to produce the costly content. The music industry is changing and a person could make a living releasing and producing their own stuff… however, if the copyright law were not to exist they would not be able to make money. The problem is that people like the crap these big companies produce and steal it. The RIAA is holding off to just shift new litigation in it’s favor as technology changes and people use it in new ways. The law is specific though and for good reason. So… 1) people should buy cheap music from iTunes to support the artist they like. 2) people should look for good music not just mindlessly feed on the crap handed to you on mtv. 3) people should not try and fight copyright law because although you might be fine, if you are the one case they choose to shift the litigation in there favor on their own time you will be sorry. Copyright is a good thing… If you want music that takes time and money to create but you don’t want to pay for it you can always spend $60,000 on music school, spend 15 years on practice and privet lessons, and then another $15,000 to create it yourself. To expect to get a product like that for free is ridiculous. You all have jobs that you work hard at and you get paid for it. It’s hard enough for an artist to make a living as it is be a part of the solution and not the problem.

By: Davenport-Lyons are criminal scum

Davenport-Lyons are criminal scum — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:00:02 +0000

@51 and anyone else that responds in any way to these letters……

Wise up! Why are you wasting your time even talking to these scumbags? Just toss the damn letter in the round file and move on. Don’t pay these thugs a penny.

And could we please get some actual names of Davenport-Lyons staff who are sending these threats out?

Some of us would prefer to give them the opportunity to repeat their threats face-to-face if you know what I mean. Like in the parking lot outside their office. :P

By: Ben C

Ben C — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:17:10 +0000

Don’t forget that Davenport Lyons are acting on behalf of someone, probably the BSA. If their client only instructs them to send a letter, but not to pursue, then that’s all they’ll do. Unless someone is paying DL’s fees, it’s unlikely that any further action will be taken. So the question really is, who is the client and do they really have any teeth or are they just hoping for the “scare them into coughing up” tactic will be enough?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:14:51 +0000

Reminds me…

http://i29.tinypic.com/23k22cj.jpg

By: What a Shame

What a Shame — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:47:07 +0000

Focusing all of our good time to this junk, the internet is not what it used to be control freaks for sure. It is all about money as usual. We need to be focusing on the gas issue, Later

By: princesspeachfan2008

princesspeachfan2008 — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:44:37 +0000

My mom is a lawyer but she allows my older brother to download from bit torrents, mom is even happy that my older brother has his Bit Torrent on his PC so we don’t need to buy movies in eBay, Amazon or in a shop selling pirated DVD’s, but actually, mom would have arrested my older brother which would happen in the future. Even my uncle who is a lawyer keeps on downloading movies from bit torrents