John Stroman,
http://www.cinematorrents.com

Although we believe that FrostWire’s approach is interesting, it will also introduce one major problem. It is relatively easy to make a P2P-powered torrent index, but keeping it clean and malware-free will prove to be very difficult.

Maybe I don’t quite fully understand how p2p works, but when I used the Vuze client (now use Transmission), I seem to recall it having a field for peer comments. Maybe Transmission has that too, but in any case, if each peer commented on the torrent’s validity, and it was invalid, it would likely disappear over a short time; and/or comment files could be part of the torrent files and edited accordingly.

Nevertheless, it is really interesting information, I like the decentralized index/torrent database approach, which, if implemented correctly, will surely be a pain in the ass of MAFIAA-like organizations and they will remain quiet… ’cause they won’t know, who should they be shutting down :P

At least for some time.

Beware of making such broad statements on the worldwide internet. In fact, in some countries, referencing alone IS already illegal, e.g. in Germany.

Downloading from both BitTorrent/DHT and eD2k/Kademlia? Available since v0.90 2007.06.19
http://wiki.bitcomet.com/Using_eMule_plugin

magnet links have been added recently as well. Now gimme easy Tor support (e.g. Azureus) and no other BT clients will match BitComet.

Sauce: http://www.bitcomet.com/doc/changelog.htm

What’s really interesting is recent efforts of adding BitTorrent support to Direct Connect clients (DC++ mods).

http://www.i2p2.de

So let’s say there’s a site called torrent-reference.com and on that site, you search for a torrent named ‘sh-4594545047′ which is ’107kb in size’ and it tells you that it has 1000 plus votes and displays comments, then it’s up to you to get the actual torrent from a different source.

There’s nothing illegal about that.

-Scalable Leader Selection in
Peer-to-Peer Overlay Networks

-P2PRIV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2PRIV

-A K-anonymous communication protocol
http://discovery.csc.ncsu.edu/pubs/ASIACCS07b.pdf

-DC-NET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dining_cryptographers_protocol/Rewrite

-Onion routing(also known as crowds and Chaum mixes although a bit different from those methods describe but it is a direct descendant of those protocols)
TOR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_metric

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/egs/credence/

Well, the system can always be gamed, but in addition to community-based moderation, there are also other techniques to mitigate anonymous spam.

You may want to read about the concept of trust in anonymous p2p networks, starting a section “Accounting and Trust” on GNUnet’s collection of papers:

http://www.gnunet.org/papers.php3?xlang=English

Doesn’t that run contrary to the goal of anonymity? Don’t forget that if you cryptographically validate a fragment to a peer that happens to be a hostile node (read: a MAFIAA spy, or simply a confiscated computer), you’ve effectively nullified non-repudiation as a line of defense.

With an IP address, you could still claim innocence, because MAFIAA can invent them en masse (their address space is tiny, compared to public key address space!), but signing a fragment with your own private key and letting *them* verify this with your public key is kind of pointless, isn’t it?

nothing you can introduce into a decentralized p2p system is gonna stop the MAFIAA from flooding the system with fakes. the MAFIAA will ensure all their spam comes highly recommended and with top ratings whatever system you try

the success of the private sites and the bigger success of the user moderated public sites is that the torrents are verified by the communities in a manner which shuts out the MAFIAA spam. that is the single strongest argument why bittorrent will continue to be centralised, because we need file verification

it doesnt matter if the torrent site of the future hosts no torrents and no magnets and no links, it is absolutely cool if the torrent site of the future is no more than a community blog which serves as a platform for the verification of torrents

the problem with TPB’s vision of the future is that they never tried to educate their members to self-moderate and verify their content. the h33t community went through that pain barrier and the result is a greater understanding of the necessity for community standards and engagement with the issues that challenge us. the content on h33t is 100% moderated by the general public for the general public. there are many other sites who have followed the same model

to those who would follow us into the future i say INVEST in your communities and ENABLE them to moderate themselves. in the world of sharing nothing will replace the educated, enabled, bittorrent community

http://www.h33t.com knows nothing will replace the human being

@ 78 & 79 – TorrentWiki

Ghehe, a wiki which uses a static (weblog-like) page? There is nothing wiki about it. What is the point of that site?

Wiki’s have been declared legal by the courts and can not be forced to be removed or taken down by any order. The government said that they are too good in whistleblower cases and to expose gov corruption so they stay. They are 100% legal all wiki’s. :-) Tis why its there

Can anyone explain this, no other adobe applications were open at the time of installation !?

The reputation system is overrated, and is played by a bunch of children trigger happy on the reputation system.
There needs to be a moderation for that, instead of loose rep points given out for no reason.

And how would you trust an anonymous user with good rep?
Can anonymous #23 be more trusted based on these rep points more than anonymous #76?

Not to mention LimeWire is using libtorrent, whereas I’m pretty sure FrostWire is still using LimeWire’s crappy old bittorrent implementation that has been banned from many trackers.

This does not solve anything, it only switches the target from the torrent sites to the software developers – which means fewer targets which would make it EASIER to shut down.

Oh yea, and shareaza can already do all the stuff mentioned about frostwire

As far as I remember (some?) ED2K clients already provide a commenting function where users can leave a note on a file. Only thing needed is that such comment get displayed rightaway when loading a link/torrent and are not hidden in some x menu. The comments tghemselves don´t have to be decentrakized, but an independant server could store them. A hash (not neccessarily even a magnet link) with a bunch of comment should be legal enoguh for the server to not worry abput MPAA/RIAA&pals.

Ghehe, a wiki which uses a static (weblog-like) page? There is nothing wiki about it. What is the point of that site?

Yeah, but that basically gives the MAFIAA all the freedom. If what you say is true, they could produce malicious torrents, with ratings which overblow all the rest. I mean, if a user needs to get the torrent from the “swarm”, he could be downloading a “MAFIAA produced” torrent, with faked comments, eh?

Or am I thinking the wrong way, and is there a way to check it with checksums or something?

Just dump copyright content is crap anyways.

For music I’m using magnatune and jamendo and I have no problem with it they have all the music I will ever need and it is free with free licenses that let you do what you want.

If you buy CDs or go to shows from copyrighted artists you are funding those people that want to hurt you and your rights.

Force them to comply by not using their crap and not financing them.

When you go out search for bands that give you something. Those bands are using CC commons sharealike, copyleft and GPL licenses.

Change the way you consume media and the MAFIAA will be forced to change too. If you buy or use copyrighted stuff you are stating that they have something that you can’t live without it.

I don’t support copyright and don’t give money to those pigs. If the choice is to no listen or watch anything from them and have my rights back there is no question about it. I dump the bastards.

A binary string is just a big number that can be represented mathematically so this also solve the problem with filters as you can create infinite numbers of formulas to describe the same thing. Just don’t make the blocks to large to compute and any computer can do it in a timely manner.

- Has a “reputation system” where people can see from who the torrent is and how people rank that person and that person would still be anonymous.

- voting system that could be done by all nodes adding a good or no good signature like bitcoin does.

- Is anonymous preferably using a DC-net protocol not the onion.

That is all.

Osiris Serveless Portal have done much of the work already, bitcoin solves some other issues too, the technology is already here is just waiting for somebody to do the work.

so that someone searching for “spider man” for example would be presented with the movie posters the file name a quick plot etc, which they could then click which would stream instantly on popular files and download at the same time so the user could check the quality

and of course a area for comments/rating system

Perhaps YouTube’s system is appropriate: too many -1s on a comment and it’s hidden.

Downloading file A could get blocks from file B that are the same, even though the files themselves are different.

If that is put in place, then there will never be a way to prove WHAT any user is downloading. Illegal files will seem benign and vice-versa.

Something like this does exist where people volunteer their hard drive space and everything is encrypted In cyberspace and the user has no idea or what is being stored at their end/etc but I think its seen as the same as running a tor node (getting raided, being labeled a paedo etc by the papers/etc) not a good idea atm, needs work dumb people shutting down/false media

You refer to Freenet. I for one think it’s a great idea. True anonymity is the only way to guarantee free speech. Nothing whatsoever is censored on Freenet because of how it’s built. Child porn might be an unfortunate byproduct of this lack of control- though I should point out that a lot of people who index freesites won’t link to child porn- but you can’t censor something without compromising the entire point of the project.

And I think the notion that “just because you run Freenet/encrypt your communications/encrypt your files/etc means you’re guilty of something” is stupid. People have a right to their privacy, regardless of whether that privacy can be used to commit thoughtcrime.

14 Jan 09, 2010 at 23:14 by cvc
Won’t the copyright holders just go after Gnutella / FrostWire now and bring them to court for facilitating copyright infringement.
They already have and limewire said shove it after saying that they were going to put in a filter in the program bud as of this date it hasn’t been put in. To combat this FrostWire was born just in case.

@26 Jan 10, 2010 at 00:14 by prodigydancer
What we need is an integrated BitTorrent/DHT+ED2K/KAD client with an ability to search both networks simultaneously. This would be a nice first step towards bringing all P2P networks together.
The community needs to be united.
Sharaza the real one not mafia takeover one. See sourceforge for real one

@46 Jan 10, 2010 at 06:33 by Finnerty
Moderation is the keyword. Human moderators keep the sites useful. P2P lacks human moderation – lacks a web of trust.
Add a human moderated web of trust to a P2P system and you will have something interesting and useful.
Allow a “Franks Torrents” p2p stream which Frank has control over, and everyone else can browse or post to with Frank’s moderation.
I don’t know why P2P systems never seem to get this.
Mafia would love this
Even reason mind agrees

47 Jan 10, 2010 at 06:48 by Reasoned Mind
Yep me too

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@51 unauthorized cons.
Something like this does exist where people volunteer their hard drive space and everything is encrypted In cyberspace and the user has no idea or what is being stored at their end/etc but I think its seen as the same as running a tor node (getting raided, being labeled a paedo etc by the papers/etc) not a good idea atm, needs work dumb people shutting down/false media

… and you know that

This is a nice change to Frostwire, and even if they weren’t sponsors of TF, it probably would have been touched on anyway. The whole piracy movement is about things in the open. Why are you bitching when they are being transparent?