If a candle maker invents a light bulb and patents it and files the patent so nobody can use light bulbs and have to buy candles, is that fair? No way! Sharing files are sharing purchased property and these swindlers can’t keep up with technology. Patent laws are the problem. All stories in movies today are just rehashed Biblical, Shakespearian or folklore plagiarism.

From the PB blog post:

“Now that the decentralized system for finding peers is so well developed, TPB has decided that there is no need to run a tracker anymore, so it will remain down! It’s the end of an era, but the era is no longer up2date. We have put a server in a museum already, and now the tracking can be put there as well.

By moving to a more decentralized system of handling tracking (DHT+PEX) and distributions of torrent files (Magnet Links), BitTorrent will become less vulnerable to downtime and outages:

* With decentralized peer acquisition, there is no central tracker that can be down.
* With decentralized fetching of metadata (torrents) we don’t need to rely on a single server that stores and distributes torrent files.”

The key word in all of that is DECENTRALIZED.

That is the intent and the future, since a site still could be accused of helping commit copyright infringement, by publishing the magnet links to your torrents.

Even before, while offering links to the torrents (which are not illegal and are not, in themselves copyrighted content) they were chased and demonized by the big corporations.

Based on technicalities the p2p community had the upper hand, we weren’t, technically, downloading through the TPB any kind of copyrighted work. So how is this supposed to help?

The MPAA and its analogs will still say they are helping commit copyright infringement by facilitating it.

I don’t see the point, really, or maybe I have misunderstood some part of this or their real intent.

Whose side are you on?

I disagree, and perhaps quite vehemently:
The more people who use something, the better and more robust that thing can become, due to its use, such as with involvement, feedback, support, etc., and the more who can benefit from it. Like FLOSS.
To suggest something like that remain “elite” or “underground” seems to suggest that that’s its best use; or to lend support/capitulate to those who would want to remove or control it.
Fuck that.
Power to the people.
‘Sharing is caring.’

52 Nov 21, 2009 at 04:06 by bittorrent forever
You missed too far this time.

The key problem of bit torrent is not tracker or trackerless. The problem is these site (TPB) is that TPB is setup to be a failure.

TPB inflate the number of users anbd downloaders. It upset the MPAA. And MININOVA too. MININOVA claims that it reached 10B torrent downloads, but how many of these downloads come from the real end ueers? How many of them come from the search engine.

If pirates shouting all the time to the world how much money he made from rubbery, he is doomed.

It is going to be the same. Even TBP goes to megnet, if they do not change the current business model, they can still be hunt down by MPAA.

The most important thing in this p2pdownloading thing is, keep low profile, do not upset the mainstream.

A real pirate neverl claim he is a pirate. A real pirate is the one who take, and hide.

Well – this is the problem with Torrents in general. The technology took somehting that has been traditionally an underground movement (and rightfully should have stayed that way) and dumped – full force into the mainstream so that everyone from “soccer-moms” to “little billy” can click a link from a webpage – copy and paste into a Client and click start.

I think the technology itself is a great leap forward and has many uses and great potential – but at the cost of putting a spotlight on something that used to be behind the scenes has simply gotten out of control and both the general public and the media outlets simply don;t know what to make of it.

Incidentally, TPB torrents will initially appear to go to the now closed TPB tracker, but will then redirect to Openbittorent.

Nope, according to this very article (hmm, that seems such a long time ago), I’ve got it backwards, hexadecimal is the new format. That seems odd because base32 coding is shorter and just sticking a header on the hex hash seems an obvious thing to do, whereas base32 coding is a bit obscure.

And also, of course, Vuze has its own implementation of the DHT, so it’s not obvious to me how it would find my uTorrent host, or whether it can ask for the .torrent file to be transferred.

I’m guessing it would work if you have the current version of Vuze with the Mainline DHT plug-in.

I’ll leave my client seeding your experiment torrent for the next few days so you (or anyone else) can experiement on it.

They did! Here is the link if anyone else wants to try it.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:HFHPPEPUOYCFWJSJWFJEVVZS4VZLPIMK

Let me know if it works in Vuze. I can’t get that client to work with any magnet link. uTorrent works fine.

Didn’t realize I was playing with people. Just thought I was pointing out false statements. Last I’ll post on the subject.

I know what I’m doing and why I’m asking the questions. I’ve been uploading torents to TPB for a couple years now, stopped using TPB’s tracker long before eztv did.

Why you keep playing with me?

I gave up too quickly on the ‘the hash isn’t in the .torrent’ thing, though.

Comparing the description in #170′s link: ” d8:announce…info[d6:length...e]e – Compute the SHA1 hash of the bytes between the brackets.” with some actual .torrent files reveals that the bytes between the brackets is, infact, pretty much the whole file. There’s just a little bit in the header outside the the part that’s digested for the hash so you can add trackers to the .torrent without changing the hash.

Therefore the hash isn’t inside the .torrent at all. The hash is calculated by digesting almost the whole .torrent file.

Didn’t people not download your TXT or they are imagining something?

Are going to keep playing with people?

To the TorrentFreak moderators, if you would at least leave a placeholder of commenter and post number there would be a LOT less confusion on some of these postings. Just a suggestion.

I missed this post somewhere, in all the reading.

I want to provide the file, not download one, thank you. I’m still reading that as: if I use their trackers in my torrent, that I want others to find, I don’t need to register, upload, host or index the damn thing anywhere.

I’ve already created torrents with those trackers and didn’t register, upload or index them anywhere as an experiment, as it states, and no one connected to them.

Magnet links are the way to go! Just need some central place to publish them. Why don’t you start a web site for us? Thanks! I’m ready to start!

I was responding to Smooth’s observation that the Magnet is not the hash, which sort of contradicts all the posts I’ve made saying it is the hash.

It is the hash, but it might not look like the hash if you use the newer encoding.

The magnet link can’t encode the link as a raw binary number as the web servers are expecting ASCII coded text – some of the 256 possible values of the raw bytes are reserved for print control purposes and can’t be printed as characters in a consistent way. A hexadecimal number will always print correctly ‘cos it’s just 0-9 A-F with no special characters.

So true, as you have stated before.

However I did that right click on the torrent in utorrent and selected Copy Magnet URI, which leads me conclude that utorrent already constructed the magnet link. You can’t copy something that isn’t created, can you?

@smoothy

I guess my client was a little slow catching up as it’s showing that now.

At my end DHT is showing 2 seeds. And PEX is showing 2 peers as well.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:394EF791F476045B2649B1524AD732E572B7A18A

There’s more than one way to construct a magnet link from the hash.

Ok, one last post. LOL!

Interesting, in that my client is only showing 1 seed, and 4 peers. DHT shows 1 seed and 1 peer, PEX shows no seeds and 2 peers.

BTW the magnet is not the torrents hash.

>Would there not be a need of at the very least a description of what the mag-link is for? Your not going to just randomly click on a mag-link and hope you get something good are you?

Yes, you do. Mininova does this already.

“42″ will host magnet links, or is that the number from which all meaning can be derived? LOL!

Let’s not deteriorate the discussion anymore than necessary. I think it’s pretty played out anyway.

It was very interesting. Thanks to all that contributed!

Just downloaded your ‘experiment’ and am seeding it now :P

They are a bittorrent tracker free for anyone to use. You DON’T NEED to register, upload or index a torrent anywhere, all you have to do is to include the tracker URL in your torrent, and I’ve seen several places that state a magnet link lets you pull the torrent out of the swarm without visiting the website that hosts it.

And that statement is completely true you don’t need to UPLOAD, REGISTER, INDEX or anything because the HOST for the TORRENT FILE is your peers(swarm). Your bittorrent client is downloading the TORRENT FILE from your peers not a tracker or hosting service or website or whatever the TORRENT FILE is coming from your PEERS not the original HOSTING SITE or a WEBSITE.

They are not saying you will not have to search for the magnet link, you will still have to go somewhere to find those links and probably those places will be sites like mininova, the pirate bay and others.

Do the test:

- Download Big Buck Bunny
It’s a CC 3.0 license so as long as you give credits you can distributed and use it.

- Make a torrent out of it.
- Get the info-hash that your bittorrent client shows you.
- Make a magnet link.
- Send the link to someone via email and ask them to download the film.

If you do that you don’t need to register anywhere, you don’t upload the torrent file to anywhere(except other peers), you don’t index the torrent because there are no trackers. All they said is true isn’t?

I don’t see where you saw written or implied that it is going to pull something that nobody knows exists.

ps: All caps was used to emphases only not shouting.

Cool, now all I need is a place to HOST my magnet links and I’ll never upload a torrent file again!

Did anyone pull my experiment out of the swarm while Anon was downloading it? Curious minds want to know. :>)