bit of a stupid idea i mean your advertising Optic Fibre whats the point of TRUE 16mb internet if you cant use P2P, which i think the bbc iplayer use’s. with ADSL i can still download Ubuntu ISO’s

FUCK U VIRGIN

Yep good ol’ days of Blueyonder

cable have gone… Virgin are here!

If you’re looking for an excellent

ISP to change from Virgin… then

i would highly recommend Plusnet.

Check out there dealS!

In the past i have used BT, Pipex (terrible) and Blueyonder…

PLUSNET is everything you want &

expect from a good ISP.

COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT….

No small print! No Throttling!

No bull-crap! You get what you see!

I would honestly say that VM are not that bad! (shoot me now if you please).

Like most ISP’s problems do occur.

The whole P2P and copyright issue is complex. Personally I do download, but only to see if I like the movie etc, then either buy or not. I guess its a bit like trialing before you buy.

I really do not see though how they can track your IP address if you play a bit clever, for example some firewalls will hide the last octet of your IP address, therfore you cannot be traced. Also there is other programs available such as peer guardian though I am not overly familiar with it.

An interesting situation would be for a court summons for downloading a movie .. what if you then went out and bought it …… I dont see how the average downloader could be brought to book as a backup is quite legal, there is of course also the point that your orginal and paid copy could be damaged. The actual physical DVD might be unplayable but you as the customer still own a right to watch and keep the movie for personal use .. so would it be illigal to then download ….?

In my opinion this is a minefield that simply cannot be managed, it is time for reform in both the law and of course how services and products are distributed!

I need to get my Lost fix ;- >

Or anyone point me to a guide to use encryption and not let them track me?

Ta!

What about all the stupid radical suicide bombers too.!!!

Oh yeah PHORM makes you cash stopping child porn and terrorism does not!

VM taking a running jump!

Virgin Media know of this problem and should sort it out before doing this (mind you it gives a good defence). TF ought to look into this , I am surprised this issue has not been raised before regarding court cases for unknowingly downloading involving Virgin Media customers.
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The IP’s are different the MAC’s are the same but not the IP’s. if they had the same IP VM’s DNS servers wouldn’t know which PC to send the data too.

trust i know i flashed many modems!

I undersatnd your point but they could trace the fake IP on a cloned MAC but it would take to much time and monry for them to justify it!

Yeah VM are aware of the problem exactly like the tv theft but how long as that gone on for. i’ve had a dbox2 for 3 yrs!. I pay for 20mb tho so not a complete theft

Naive? Why do they think people pay for a 20mb connection? Not to just browse the net, thats for sure.

I’m a virgin customer (until they go tits up), but i’ll keep using my encrypted newsgroup downloads thanks.

That’s a very article from the BBC on this very matter. I’m glad the journalist is on our side. As a virgin media customer I’m not at all happy. You’ll be happy to know this is part of a 10 week ‘education’ scheme, so I wouldn’t expect disconnections or law suits. Still, if this gets adopted by more ISP’s (which I doubt) then we’re going to have to move to new technologies.

Alot of there modems are cloned, i know because i have mates who do it and i pay because it’s a half decent service…

PS. changing your Router MAC probably won’t help as and nslookup will show your linked to the same modem

Virgin Media know of this problem and should sort it out before doing this (mind you it gives a good defence). TF ought to look into this , I am surprised this issue has not been raised before regarding court cases for unknowingly downloading involving Virgin Media customers.
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Hopefully enough people will leave so that they back down or better yet die.

Usenet with 7 days retenetion is offered by VM which will give you all the mp3s movies and warez that you could desire. Since it is a closed connection between you and the Highwinds server in Amsterdam is not going to be monitored by bpi, mpaa, etc.

Protocol encryption in bit torrent DOES NOT hide what you are sharing. It is there to help you avoid traffic shaping where your isp limits all bit torrent traffic, the encryption hides that its bit torrent. If they join the torrent swarm they can still see your IP.

I would hardly say Sky were a safe bet! One word from the mpaa that lots of their users are downloading illegal movies and its bye, bye sky movies! I expect they’ll be kinda quick to say “how high?” when told to jump.

And someone said they were leaving because their 2mb was taking forever to upgrade to 10mb, well that upgrade IS NOT HAPPENING so you’re gonna be waiting a long time. If you stump up some more money for 4meg then you’ll get upped to 10.

I don’t really have a problem with the STM policy tbh. As they say themselves say you could still download 134GB in 24hrs on 20meg ( thats 4TB a month!). All you have to do is schedule your torrents or usenet to download at off-peak times and self-cap during peak times so you don’t get STM’d.

Most of these people won’t really leave as they’ll find out the shitty dsl speeds available in their area and come running back.

I wander how effective they’ll be though lol… well might find out soon enough…havent stopped me yet so maybe some hope..

Oh and VM want to put Phorm, so for that they can Ph*ck-off too!

Anyway, VM internet sucks, both quality wise and the amount of throttling that goes on.

And oh yeah….losing sky one meant that the TV side sucks as well.

Time to start looking for a new ISP I think.

Theres no gain for Virgin by allying with the BPI, and their supposed deal will fall through very fast when Virgin starts losing money.

What if …someone… combined this story with the last one and started spoofing connections to “illegal” trackers from every Virgin subscriber IP address, then they end up sending these warning letters to their entire customer base. I’d expect carnage, and the experiment never being repeated.

Just a thought ;-)

I will not stop downloading illegally until there is an option to buy FLAC without DRM, movies in xvid without DRM, Tv shows in avi without DRM!

Which i cannot see happening so they don’t get a penny, i’m not intrested in fancy artwork, boxes cluttering my room. I want it all on my pc & be able to do what i please with it. I use all my stuff as personal, i do not sell!

Then the Brits will have to switch to something like the OFF System. There, you dont download/upload to single persons, but to a large distributed and encrypted virtual hard disk, and the chunks of data are so small, that they cant be covered with copyright. Additionally, they are mixed with random data chunks.

At the moment, OFF suffers from to few shared files, which will change, once the UK copyright nazis install a surveillance and censorship system even north korea and china would be proud of.

Fuck so called “intellectual property”, the modern day censorship engine.

But if they send me one of these letters, I will just leave. Even worse if they disconnect me. Thousands of people ever month with feel threatened by their ISP. This is not the way to go. Its the whole consumer vs supplier thing again. They are making us their enemies and eventually they will have to pull out as they disconnect 6.5 million customers (they only have 8 million).

It doesn’t even help them. They have nothing to gain by disconnecting or warning filesharers. They will just lose money.

Musicians do not have a right to censor my private communication. It’s as wrong as when the chinese communists do it.

End of story.