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	<title>Comments on: BREIN Demands $70,000 Per Day Penalty For Usenet Community</title>
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		<title>By: Wwhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wwhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brein is a &#039;foundation&#039;, they aren&#039;t really like the RIAA/MPAA who are hired/created by the movie/music companies, anybody that puts down the registration fee of like 50 euros can register to become a foundation.
What brein then does is find artists or budding artist and get them to sign, at that point they claim complete control of that artists work, some artists that wanted to allow an aid event to play their songs for free were told by brein they could not because they controlled their songs now.
Of the money they rake in they &#039;of course&#039; use a certain percentage for &#039;running cost and salaries&#039; but being very secretive they won&#039;t tell how much the bosses get, might be 70%, what&#039;s left is divided among those that signed with them, ONLY those that signed, meanwhile they pretend to be a &#039;national&#039; representative, and THE anti piracy group, but in reality it&#039;s a small criminal gang of leeches without any decency who tricked some artist in the netherlands and their purpose is not to &#039;fight piracy&#039; but to get rich easy.
This is all documented and you can find news organizations who investigated it and footage of them stammering while they were asked how much goes to the artist and who the hell they think they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brein is a &#8216;foundation&#8217;, they aren&#8217;t really like the RIAA/MPAA who are hired/created by the movie/music companies, anybody that puts down the registration fee of like 50 euros can register to become a foundation.<br />
What brein then does is find artists or budding artist and get them to sign, at that point they claim complete control of that artists work, some artists that wanted to allow an aid event to play their songs for free were told by brein they could not because they controlled their songs now.<br />
Of the money they rake in they &#8216;of course&#8217; use a certain percentage for &#8216;running cost and salaries&#8217; but being very secretive they won&#8217;t tell how much the bosses get, might be 70%, what&#8217;s left is divided among those that signed with them, ONLY those that signed, meanwhile they pretend to be a &#8216;national&#8217; representative, and THE anti piracy group, but in reality it&#8217;s a small criminal gang of leeches without any decency who tricked some artist in the netherlands and their purpose is not to &#8216;fight piracy&#8217; but to get rich easy.<br />
This is all documented and you can find news organizations who investigated it and footage of them stammering while they were asked how much goes to the artist and who the hell they think they are.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN FACT AS SOON AS VIRGIN APPLY IT&#039;S 3 STRIKE POLICY IT INCREASED THE SPEED OF ITS USENET SERVERS SO BRANSON OBVIOUSLY KNOWS HOW TO AIM THE MARKET AT TECH SAVVIES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN FACT AS SOON AS VIRGIN APPLY IT&#8217;S 3 STRIKE POLICY IT INCREASED THE SPEED OF ITS USENET SERVERS SO BRANSON OBVIOUSLY KNOWS HOW TO AIM THE MARKET AT TECH SAVVIES</p>
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		<title>By: Kepners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kepners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm I know www.virgin.net do binary rentention for 3days only.... and quite frankly they are idots.

Bloody www.virgin.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm I know <a href="http://www.virgin.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.virgin.net</a> do binary rentention for 3days only&#8230;. and quite frankly they are idots.</p>
<p>Bloody <a href="http://www.virgin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.virgin.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: usenet is awesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>usenet is awesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You dickheads knocking usenet clearly don&#039;t know how to use it, while the longevity of content is limited to a certain number of days depending on your usenet provider the speed is consistently high and is only effected by your ISP package and peak time throttling.
Otherwise from a user perspective it is just like using torrents, you go to a site you download an nzb file and use your program to download it. I use sabnzbd, others use grabit.
To get my nzb&#039;s I use nzbmatrix.com, and for setting up rss feeds I use tvnzb.com which has a new episodes feed where you can be sure you are only downloading brand new episodes of any program.
Another thing to remember is since it is not peer to peer you wont have the RIAA connecting as a peer and logging your ip, only your provider can do that, and any sensible provider wont log who downloads any particular content.
My ISP, virgin media provides a 7 day binary retention (yes my ISP actually provides me with copyrighted content, while sending nasty letters to torrenters homes) which is ideal for picking up brand new episodes of tv shows at lighteningly fast speed.
If your isp provides any binary retention, and you don&#039;t use it for at least downloading tv show episodes your an idiot frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dickheads knocking usenet clearly don&#8217;t know how to use it, while the longevity of content is limited to a certain number of days depending on your usenet provider the speed is consistently high and is only effected by your ISP package and peak time throttling.<br />
Otherwise from a user perspective it is just like using torrents, you go to a site you download an nzb file and use your program to download it. I use sabnzbd, others use grabit.<br />
To get my nzb&#8217;s I use nzbmatrix.com, and for setting up rss feeds I use tvnzb.com which has a new episodes feed where you can be sure you are only downloading brand new episodes of any program.<br />
Another thing to remember is since it is not peer to peer you wont have the RIAA connecting as a peer and logging your ip, only your provider can do that, and any sensible provider wont log who downloads any particular content.<br />
My ISP, virgin media provides a 7 day binary retention (yes my ISP actually provides me with copyrighted content, while sending nasty letters to torrenters homes) which is ideal for picking up brand new episodes of tv shows at lighteningly fast speed.<br />
If your isp provides any binary retention, and you don&#8217;t use it for at least downloading tv show episodes your an idiot frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way with certain ip providers you can get free usenet
for more info click this link
http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
usenet is the way forward and torents will become dead as more hd content is demanded by users fuck Brein also for usenet search engines free type into google nzb search and click on any wsite and download using a client like grabit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way with certain ip providers you can get free usenet<br />
for more info click this link<br />
<a href="http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm</a><br />
usenet is the way forward and torents will become dead as more hd content is demanded by users fuck Brein also for usenet search engines free type into google nzb search and click on any wsite and download using a client like grabit</p>
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		<title>By: Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does brein accpet monopoly money for there funny idea 

i demand back 70,001 per second for them being noobs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does brein accpet monopoly money for there funny idea </p>
<p>i demand back 70,001 per second for them being noobs</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I checked, FTD was free of charge. The only thing you needed to pay for was Usenet access.
The only way I could see FTD making money off what they do would be a partnership with a Usenet provider, which wouldn&#039;t make them anywhere near the $70,000 Brein is demanding
Tim Kuik, you make me sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, FTD was free of charge. The only thing you needed to pay for was Usenet access.<br />
The only way I could see FTD making money off what they do would be a partnership with a Usenet provider, which wouldn&#8217;t make them anywhere near the $70,000 Brein is demanding<br />
Tim Kuik, you make me sick!</p>
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		<title>By: JOhnson Reilly</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/brein-demands-70000-per-day-penalty-for-usenet-community-090702/#comment-576653</link>
		<dc:creator>JOhnson Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usenet? People still actually use Usenet? I had no idea!

Riff
www.anonymize.tk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usenet? People still actually use Usenet? I had no idea!</p>
<p>Riff<br />
<a href="http://www.anonymize.tk" rel="nofollow">http://www.anonymize.tk</a></p>
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		<title>By: ummm...</title>
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		<dc:creator>ummm...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50K euri fine per day for what exactly?  For NOT breaking any laws???  

Tim Kuik and his Stichting &quot;brein&quot; are clearly insane, now let&#039;s see how corrupt the dutch legal system actually is by punishing people for doing things that are perfectly legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50K euri fine per day for what exactly?  For NOT breaking any laws???  </p>
<p>Tim Kuik and his Stichting &#8220;brein&#8221; are clearly insane, now let&#8217;s see how corrupt the dutch legal system actually is by punishing people for doing things that are perfectly legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go support your local countries pirate party to really end the madness

time to take back our countries form these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go support your local countries pirate party to really end the madness</p>
<p>time to take back our countries form these people.</p>
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		<title>By: anti-troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti-troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnoud says: &quot;...Instead of addressing any of the points we raised, they simply repeat their standard rhetoric. Nowhere is the distinction made between uploading works and telling people that someone has uploaded a work for (legal) download.&quot;
.....................

That excerpt describes Classic Troll Behavior. Trolls don&#039;t care about truth or logic or honest discussions. Their only goal is simply to wear you down as you attempt to defend a logical viewpoint, over and over and over again.  It&#039;s disgusting behavior.  But it certainly makes trolls easier to spot these days because they all lack any normal human ability to properly process information in any useful way.

Blech...hate trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnoud says: &#8220;&#8230;Instead of addressing any of the points we raised, they simply repeat their standard rhetoric. Nowhere is the distinction made between uploading works and telling people that someone has uploaded a work for (legal) download.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>That excerpt describes Classic Troll Behavior. Trolls don&#8217;t care about truth or logic or honest discussions. Their only goal is simply to wear you down as you attempt to defend a logical viewpoint, over and over and over again.  It&#8217;s disgusting behavior.  But it certainly makes trolls easier to spot these days because they all lack any normal human ability to properly process information in any useful way.</p>
<p>Blech&#8230;hate trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2 lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2 lol</p>
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		<title>By: Alcari</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/brein-demands-70000-per-day-penalty-for-usenet-community-090702/#comment-576487</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite amusing really. From reading the Dutch article, BREIN seems to be pretending that their demand has some kind of legal merit.

What&#039;s actually happening is that BREIN (a foundation) is sueing that FTD be taken down, or else pay 50.000 euro a day. BREIN likes to pretend they actually have some kind of power, demanding all sorts of things, but in reality, they have no more legal power than you or me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite amusing really. From reading the Dutch article, BREIN seems to be pretending that their demand has some kind of legal merit.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s actually happening is that BREIN (a foundation) is sueing that FTD be taken down, or else pay 50.000 euro a day. BREIN likes to pretend they actually have some kind of power, demanding all sorts of things, but in reality, they have no more legal power than you or me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pirate more stuff already LoL

here a help to make a wireless region heat map for your own pleasure it also includes ways to know what access points are open so you can have it for free.

http://www.ekahau.com/products/ekahau-site-survey/overview.html

ps: I wish I had a wireless connection I would let it open to payback all the times that a used others wifi to surf LoL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pirate more stuff already LoL</p>
<p>here a help to make a wireless region heat map for your own pleasure it also includes ways to know what access points are open so you can have it for free.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ekahau.com/products/ekahau-site-survey/overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ekahau.com/products/ekahau-site-survey/overview.html</a></p>
<p>ps: I wish I had a wireless connection I would let it open to payback all the times that a used others wifi to surf LoL</p>
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		<title>By: St0rm</title>
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		<dc:creator>St0rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BREIN are made up of people who are fkn CRAZY and need to put to sleep like the dogs they are..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREIN are made up of people who are fkn CRAZY and need to put to sleep like the dogs they are..</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/brein-demands-70000-per-day-penalty-for-usenet-community-090702/#comment-576480</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fight back ,, like this u mean??  ;P

http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fight back ,, like this u mean??  ;P</p>
<p><a href="http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 34 Jul 03, 2009 at 16:54 by Cordelia

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hollywood is saying:

    If people don’t pay for content, then the movie industry would die.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well they&#039;re taking their time about it eh? By my reckoning if piracy had done all the damage they say, there would be no record labels or movie studios now.

If the industry is dying, I just wish they&#039;d hurry up about it then we can all have some peace from these assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 34 Jul 03, 2009 at 16:54 by Cordelia</p>
<blockquote><p>Hollywood is saying:</p>
<p>    If people don’t pay for content, then the movie industry would die.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well they&#8217;re taking their time about it eh? By my reckoning if piracy had done all the damage they say, there would be no record labels or movie studios now.</p>
<p>If the industry is dying, I just wish they&#8217;d hurry up about it then we can all have some peace from these assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharing Is Caring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharing Is Caring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pirates &gt; RIAA
Too true man.....

Also if piracy is going to kill the movie/music industry, shouldn&#039;t it have died years ago??

I mean we have been putting vinyl to cassettes &amp; copying casettes since the 80&#039;s

Burning CDs &amp; DVDs since the 90&#039;s

&amp; now BT for the last 10 years, gee you&#039;d think they&#039;d be well &amp; truly toast if all this so called piracy was doing damage.

Just doesn&#039;t make sense when you talk it through.

Lies, lies, lies

MPAA/RIAA = PIRATES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pirates &gt; RIAA<br />
Too true man&#8230;..</p>
<p>Also if piracy is going to kill the movie/music industry, shouldn&#8217;t it have died years ago??</p>
<p>I mean we have been putting vinyl to cassettes &amp; copying casettes since the 80&#8217;s</p>
<p>Burning CDs &amp; DVDs since the 90&#8217;s</p>
<p>&amp; now BT for the last 10 years, gee you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d be well &amp; truly toast if all this so called piracy was doing damage.</p>
<p>Just doesn&#8217;t make sense when you talk it through.</p>
<p>Lies, lies, lies</p>
<p>MPAA/RIAA = PIRATES</p>
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		<title>By: Cordelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cordelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood is saying: 

If people don&#039;t pay for content, then the movie industry would die. 

Well would the death of Hollywood really be such a bad thing? 

I for one could live without it!
They&#039;re full of propaganda and materialistic thinking anyway. 

Sure, I watch the odd blockbuster, but my quality of life would be just the same without them. 

And what if Micro$oft, Adobe and the like disappeared? No probs, go to Linux, openoffice, Gimp....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood is saying: </p>
<p>If people don&#8217;t pay for content, then the movie industry would die. </p>
<p>Well would the death of Hollywood really be such a bad thing? </p>
<p>I for one could live without it!<br />
They&#8217;re full of propaganda and materialistic thinking anyway. </p>
<p>Sure, I watch the odd blockbuster, but my quality of life would be just the same without them. </p>
<p>And what if Micro$oft, Adobe and the like disappeared? No probs, go to Linux, openoffice, Gimp&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bunchofthieves</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/brein-demands-70000-per-day-penalty-for-usenet-community-090702/#comment-576464</link>
		<dc:creator>bunchofthieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brein=nazis,fascist,dictator
why are they destroying the community and turning it into wasteland?
their psychopath... 
they want to own us like cattle
pay up or we won&#039;t be able to enjoy anything?
like kidnapper who hold someone for ransom</description>
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why are they destroying the community and turning it into wasteland?<br />
their psychopath&#8230;<br />
they want to own us like cattle<br />
pay up or we won&#8217;t be able to enjoy anything?<br />
like kidnapper who hold someone for ransom</p>
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