Anti-Piracy Outfit Pirates TorrentFreak
Written by Ernesto on November 19, 2007The infamous Dutch anti-piracy organization BREIN has infringed TorrentFreak’s copyright and blatantly copied a quote from one of our articles without attributing the source. TorrentFreak is thus considering legal action against these copy/paste pirates, where they may face a fine of up to $975,000 and several years in prison.
Today, BREIN published a press release (translated) full of half-truths in which they pride themselves over the recent move of SumoTorrent to Canada. In the press release they refer to TorrentFeak as a “pirate weblog”, and use a quote from an interview we did with the SumoTorrent administrator a little over a week ago. However, they do not link back to the original article, they don’t even mention TorrentFreak at all, thereby infringing on our copyright license.
Shocking indeed, who could have ever thought that these noble copyright protectors would be capable of such barbaric practices? Maybe they’ll start stealing children next?
The reason why BREIN didn’t link back to us is obvious, they don’t want the public to read a “pirate weblog” so they would find out what they’re really like. BREIN is known to threaten, intimidate and scare P2P webmasters, and they are pretty successful at it.
Like most other anti-piracy organizations, BREIN is above all a propaganda machine that effectively twists the truth to educate Internet users. They are a puppet of the MPAA and large media corporations and were recently awarded by Hollywood with an anti-piracy Oscar (translated) for its effectiveness. They even have a trophy cabinet in their offices to show off to their visitors.
Unfortunately, BREIN is not the only anti-piracy organization that infringes copyright. In February we reported that the MPAA used “Forest Blog” software without authorization. The software had been completely stripped of his name, and links back to his site, thereby violating the linkware license. The MPAA later said that they were only testing the software. Not that it makes any difference, but why should one (willingly) remove all credits to the developer if it’s only a test?
But the MPAA doesn’t only steal software, they also pirate films. For those who haven’t seen the great documentary “This Film Is Not Yet Rated“, the MPAA openly admitted that they made unauthorized copies themselves. Kirby Dick, the producer of the documentary found out that the film that he submitted for screening purposes was copied without his permission. Say what?
So who’s calling who a pirate here?
Previously: Top Pirate Reveals Warez Scene Secrets, Attracts MPAA Lawyer’s Attention
Next: Finnish FBI Raids Warez Topsites Following MPA, IFPI and BSA Investigation
173 Responses
OH THE IRONY
Fight them at their own game!
Also, second youtube link is dead.. the one under the caption “admitted they made unauthorized copies”
I was about to just send an invite to BREIN, so they could join my game-related tracker but after this? Hell no!
Hypocritical lamers!
well there good at one thing then
cntradicting themselves
the a-holes
Bastards
[quote comment="218247"]Also, second youtube link is dead.. the one under the caption “admitted they made unauthorized copies”[/quote]
And I second that
Sue em. Please, dont say this is just a warning pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
[quote comment="218253"][quote comment="218247"]Also, second youtube link is dead.. the one under the caption “admitted they made unauthorized copies”[/quote]
And I second that[/quote]
The clip was removed, I changed the link to the wikipedia entry.
die BREIN. u cant even play by the rules of the CC licence!
sue em till the cows come home.
Sue them!
Greedy sleazebags.
Unless Torrentfreak has friends in cabinet, you cant win a law suit.
Arn’t BRIEN or RIAA or whatever allowed to copy whatever they like? Don’t they now own copyright ?
The hunters become the hunted…
You guys are such HYPOCRITES!! You don’t want to face legal actions for illegally copy/pasting movies and music, and yet, you’re pissed off over “a quote”.
You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!!
Doesn’t sound rediculous to me.
I think #16 has a mental disorder. ?
Someone should start rolling out a legal fund for things like this.
[quote comment="218281"]You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!![/quote]
I see that someone didn’t get it ;)
[quote comment="218281"]You guys are such HYPOCRITES!! You don’t want to face legal actions for illegally copy/pasting movies and music, and yet, you’re pissed off over “a quote”.
You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!![/quote]
you know how ridiculous YOU sound? and we are not the hypocrites…the hypocrites are the RBEIN the MPAA, RIAA, etc
We’re not talking about simply downloading content, we’re talking about using torrentfreak text and twisting it for your ajenda. We don’t download a song, change the words, and rerelease it under the old name do we? I think it’s sort of hypacridical to sue , but whatever. Really, this case is pretty open and shut. Brein or whatever broke a spacific type of copyright, show them what they broke, and it’s pretty hard for Brein to argue against that.
You really should sue them, it would be so fun to see the people bringing down torrent sites to get fooked over themselves! Oh the Irony! Don’t just say it do it!!!
To ha-ha! poster #16:
I don’t think it sounds ridiculous at all. Certainly to us it does but we don’t go around suing people outrageous sums of money for copyright infringement. Since the majority believe that these practices are crap we can only go apeshit when they do it themselves. No matter how “small” the matter seems to be.
[quote comment="218281"]You guys are such HYPOCRITES!! You don’t want to face legal actions for illegally copy/pasting movies and music, and yet, you’re pissed off over “a quote”.
You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!![/quote]
i totally agree with you dude… this site is all about supporting piracy and all, and they post articles (if you can call them that) about how unjust it is that people have to face court for downloading movies, but they wanna bring charges against a corporation for using a quote.
Do you guys seriously think you can win on a charge like this?!?!?!? If you do you’re even more retarded than i had ever thought.
Itll be a laugh when you have to post a “we lost in court and had to pay all the lawyers fees for BREIN which came to a total of $500 000 so now we’re all bankrupt” article wont it Ernesto?!?!
[quote] You guys are such HYPOCRITES!! You don’t want to face legal actions for illegally copy/pasting movies and music, and yet, you’re pissed off over “a quote”.
You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!!
[/quote]
Come on. This post is just to point out brein’s hypocrisy.
16+24, you dont get it..
it is serious, lets say someone stole a interview from CNN or any other news, they would surely take legal action.
If Torrentfreak has the law on their side, then i say go for it ;)
The law isn’t on any side unless you are preppared to buy the laws. And they cost a lot of money
very lame by Brein
they should give the right example but they break the copyright rules themselves. Brein’s credibility: 0
also.. Brein relies on sites like TorrentFreak or else they wouldn’t know where to look. too bad this is just a site for the average joe and they will always be 3 steps behind on the real deal.
@# 16 I doubt torrentfreak has any intention of suing. It’s just funny that the guys claiming to protect copyrights are violating them. They should hold themselves to a higher standard.
Great work TorrentFreak for exposing these scumbags for what they are.
I can’t hang around though, got more music, movies, and software to pirate.
God bless guys.
It seems some people have missed the point of this article.
BREIN is an industry group, which claims to be fighting to protect and enforce copyrights. It does this through a variety of methods that are sometimes of questionable legallity.
Now, this group that is dedicated to enforcing copyright, has disregarded it when it suited them. Thus, they should be subject to the extremist punishments that they esire upon others, if not moreso, since they can hardly claim ignorance.
[quote comment="218322"]also.. Brein relies on sites like TorrentFreak or else they wouldn’t know where to look. too bad this is just a site for the average joe and they will always be 3 steps behind on the real deal.[/quote]
Wishfull thinking but not true. They know about it as soon as we write, if not sooner. This is their job, and they have a great deal more resources than me, ernesto Enigmax and smaran. After all, this is not a full time occupation for any of us, as it is for them.
dood… dont get mad cuz of a qoute…its not like u make money from that qoute…everyone just need to chill
The only thing I can see that is copied is the quote “Truth are that, just like any other popular site with high traffic, torrents sites make an income with 4 zeros, SUMOTorrent included”. Is something else copied?
Do it! Sue their asses off!
Why the hell would you sit there and “debate” this?
Do it! The fucker deserves it, through him in jail, along with the people he fucking put in.
Now why on Earth do these terrorists have to sue our police, this is absolute ********, we are suppose to Win the War On Terror, remember, the War on terror.
We have to Win the War, We must defeat the terrorists, filehsarers can’t win.
We win, not TPB, Minonova, or emule.
Although I like downloading pirated soap operas, err. I mean Down with the terrorist pirates.
I Am president Bush, I am not a Pirate, err Yea! I’m innocent
The good judge, begin in their own house, like always those who proclaim the law, are the real criminals.
Hardly surprising since they even shamelessly stole their name from another “stichting brein”. http://www.brein.net/
If they can sue people for downloading music etc and thinking they are so big doing it why not do it to them they deserve it im sure they wont like being sued but they like sueing others .
BWAHAHAHAHA
/me falls over and dies of laughter
Stupid BREIN, take that :P
God.. are there still people out there that believe the laws are there to protect people? You can’t sueue BREIN.
Only corporations are allowed to sueue and win.
What kind of world do you think this is?
The internet should only be used for business.
Yeah, for business. Businesses like Mininova BV. I like that business.
[quote comment="218386"]God.. are there still people out there that believe the laws are there to protect people? You can’t sueue BREIN.
Only corporations are allowed to sueue and win.
What kind of world do you think this is?
The internet should only be used for business.[/quote]
american pig
fuck em’ up! if not for you, then for us… they deserve to know what it feels like to be charged & fined over bullshit that isn’t even really hurting anyone…
ahaha finallyawafflemember, well put :D
wow fucktards… and they’re supposed to be the ones making sure we don’t do anything illegal, and what happens? They decide that it’s legal for them to pirate movies and that they won’t get punished for it.
Fucking hypocritical fuckers. I love the irony here.
[quote comment="218390"][quote comment="218386"]God.. are there still people out there that believe the laws are there to protect people? You can’t sueue BREIN.
Only corporations are allowed to sueue and win.
What kind of world do you think this is?
The internet should only be used for business.[/quote]
american pig[/quote]
hwe’s not american
He cant even spell sue lol
Hopefully BreinFreak will do the right thing, eventually.
[quote comment="218397"]ahaha finallyawafflemember, well put :D[/quote]
thanx guy! it’s true though… i fucking hate those bastards!!!
But that little quote isn’t a copyright violation… It’s so short and it’s a fact that the guy said that.
Lack of courtesy, maybe.
Copyright violation?
No way.
Actually, it is a copyright violation. To qualify under the fair use doctrine, credit should have been given. There isn’t damage enough to justify a suit, but copyright has definitely been violated.
I guess whomever has the biggest dick (lawyer) will win.
[quote comment="218405"]
Copyright violation?
No way.[/quote]
Yes way
“b”, the copyright belongs to TorrentFreak, and is under the appropriate CC license. That meant that they would have been free, under the license used by the site, to utilise the text, with attribution (if they said it came from TorrentFreak).
Under the Berne convention, copyright is automatic. With the CC license, we waive certain rights, as long as certain restrictions are met. In the Netherlands, you do have the right to quote, PROVIDIN the source is quoted. That is the terms of our license, and dutch law. They didn’t do this, so they violated it.
What makes this notable and newsworthy, is they know this is a violation of copyright law, because enforcing copyright law, and persecuting anyone who violates it in their eyes, is their whole raison d’etre.
I don’t get how when it’s a 22-word quote (that’s tiny!), copyright enters the equation at all. Seems bizarre to me.
^ I just wrote the same number of words, and it took me 15 seconds to think of it and write it…
Are there court cases where someone has gotten sued over such a small quote, and actually lost?
If it was 3 paragraphs copied and pasted, I’d agree with you that copyright could become an issue. But a single sentence?
Just goes to show how copyright is outdated and needs serious attention.
If you’re writing your dissertation for a masters you can’t just randomly steal peoples ideas or quotes no matter how small. Obviously this is different, but just giving an example. Sue them I say all you people who wouldn’t want to sue, I really don’t understand unless you work for these Nazi organizations.
Just a thought here, but are they infringing your license?
Copyright of the interview may be awarded to TF, may be awarded as dual ownership to both TF and sumo, or may be awarded to sumo.
Also to be considered is whether the various sections of the interview meet the criteria to be covered as a literary work.
The single sentence quote given by brien may come under “ideas”, which are not protected by copyright law.
Even if the entire work is covered by copyright, and that copyright is owned by TF, a single sentence taken from an interview is likely to come under “fair use”.
One final point about the quote. It is a statement of fact from ST. Facts cannot be copyrighted.
BTW, you could probably do with some kind of disclaimer before accepting posts, something along the lines of transferance of rights to TF.
As it stands, you are claiming rights to all comments posted on the site and releasing those rights under CC, regardless of ownership or authors wishes.
Isn’t the phrase ” Let’s Get Ready to Ruuuuummmmmmmmbbbbbblllllleeee ” copyrighted??? That is less than 22 words.
You can’t do this, you can’t do that, sue them , sue , sue, sue. Laws, Laws. BLah Blah Blah..
Bloody hell, why can’t whe just told what little we are allowed to do. Because judging by the way the internets going, that’s STUFF ALL.
Bring on WWIII , let’s start again.
Sue them like mad!!!
This needs to be fixed, and they need a boot in their ass FAST!
Taking a small quote - even without attribution - is fair use. Get over it.
OMG not the children!! Sue them, hurry! ^_^ Before those bastards steal our children. They need to get what they deserve.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Torrent Freak, a blog that openly promotes piracy and copyright infringement, is suing an anti pirate group for copyright infringement.
This is almost too hilarious to be real. Is this a practical joke?
Come on - don’t be hypocrites.
Although I suppose BREIN could use a licking.
all i have to say is lolz
just lolz
This is just a blog entry to show some irony.
Where did suing come in?
If only CRIA would screw up like this. After what they did to Demonoid I’m itching for some serious payback….
tell us when you actually do file in court…
SUE THOSE LAME-ASS LOSERS WHO PERFORM ORAL SEXUAL FAVOURS IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY TO GO TO MCDONALDS…! SUE THEM!
I will order a plane ticket as soon as the court dates are revealed. Show some balls, Torrentfreak. Don’t back out.
That clip about you wouldn’t steal a baby was hysterical!
Lets do this.
Meanwhile, Leading Authorities warn that CD’s and DVDs cause cancer over time with constant exposure. The Government and Health Authorities, recommend only downloading music and dvd’s in the interest of your health.
Ok, I’ve read all of the comments now. For those of you saying that TorrentFreak is the hypocrite, you obviously are not very familiar about this site. It is a site that delivers NEWS about the torrenting and filesharing aspects of this world we live in. It does NOT endorse torrenting or illegal file sharing, nor can you find any evidence of TorrentFreak as a site breaking any laws. I believe that it is perfectly fair for TorrentFreak to open a lawsuit against BREIN for this copyright infringement (which it is).
“Who’s calling -whom- a pirate?”
(no need to attribute this comment)
“The MPAA later said that they were only testing the software.”
The same way we “test” their shit-ass movies to sort the rare few worth paying for?
Fun joke, but unfortunately, Creative Commons licenses don’t hold up well in court and it is very hard to receive money from damages on infringement of non-registered material.
According to the CC license BRIEN was also supposed to “Share-alike”, but we can’t expect an anti-piracy outfit like them to give something away for free can we?
Obviously, a lawsuit against BREIN is highly improbably, and that’s not because torrentfreak would not win it, but because it will cost tens of thousand of dollars and a few years. And I doubt that site’s owners want that.
The important thing is that they exposed BREIN and now everybody knows about it; its even on digg. That’s more than any lawsuit will ever do.
[quote comment="218552"]Obviously, a lawsuit against BREIN is highly improbable, and that’s not because torrentfreak would not win it, but because it will cost tens of thousand of dollars and a few years. And I doubt that site’s owners want that.
The important thing is that they exposed BREIN and now everybody knows about it; its even on digg. That’s more than any lawsuit will ever do.[/quote]
[quote comment="218530"][Torrentfreak] does NOT endorse torrenting or illegal file sharing [/quote]
LOL! Here’s a few quotes from Torrentfreak blog posts:
“One million uploaded torrents is a great accomplishment … Mininova founder Niek assured us that they are working on [traffic problems] and that it should get better soon.”
“In the meantime, here’s an article that explains how to bypass Comcast’s BitTorrent interference.”
“Featured Articles: Featured Articles: * How to make BitTorrent Transfers Anonymous, * How to Optimize Your BitTorrent Download Speed, * How To Encrypt BitTorrent Traffic, * Start your own BitTorrent tracker”
[quote comment="218553"][quote comment="218552"]Obviously, a lawsuit against BREIN is highly improbable, and that’s not because torrentfreak would not win it, but because it will cost tens of thousand of dollars and a few years. And I doubt that site’s owners want that.
The important thing is that they exposed BREIN and now everybody knows about it; its even on digg. That’s more than any lawsuit will ever do.[/quote][/quote]
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[quote comment="218556"][quote comment="218530"][Torrentfreak] does NOT endorse torrenting or illegal file sharing [/quote]
LOL! Here’s a few quotes from Torrentfreak blog posts:
“One million uploaded torrents is a great accomplishment … Mininova founder Niek assured us that they are working on [traffic problems] and that it should get better soon.”
“In the meantime, here’s an article that explains how to bypass Comcast’s BitTorrent interference.”
“Featured Articles: Featured Articles: * How to make BitTorrent Transfers Anonymous, * How to Optimize Your BitTorrent Download Speed, * How To Encrypt BitTorrent Traffic, * Start your own BitTorrent tracker”[/quote]
They never told you it was a good idea. There are “how-to”s on the web to learn how to kill people, or to make deadly poisons, but they dont endorse doing so.
Everything on the internet should get the U.S Governments approval before it can ba accessed.
All over some copypasta.
That would make for some pretty boring porn.
[quote comment="218564"]Everything on the internet should get the U.S Governments approval before it can ba accessed.[/quote]
Sounds good… Unfortunately, you’d only be able to access Disney.com if they did :P
What the hell… Sue their ass. :D
[quote comment="218590"][quote comment="218564"]Everything on the internet should get the U.S Governments approval before it can ba accessed.[/quote]
Sounds good… Unfortunately, you’d only be able to access Disney.com if they did :P
:D[/quote]
That’s what they want isn’t it?
Internets going to shit anyway.
OK, so it’s a small quote that they ripped without attributing the source, so what is what is being said by about 40% of the comments above. Hypocrisy and irony is sourced as justification to continue on in a cow,like doe-eyed do-nothing state whilst legal systems and criminal laws around the planet continue their inexorable march away from common law justice towards corporate institutionalism. Well that’s just pathetic at A Time when most of our protections against systemic corporate abuses ARE still in place, ARE under massive attack, and rarely utilized by the individual for the purposes that they were originally drawn up for.
But actually, The point is not only that they infringed on torrent freak’s ‘intellectual property’, It’s that they also did it MALICIOUSLY by SLANDERING the source as a ‘pirate weblog’ thus trying to create the impression that now simply reporting/commenting on developments in the great IP debate that influences our legal systems to the individuals detriment is now somehow illegal or morally underhanded. Every opportunity to defend the safe-guards of the citizenry AGAINST corporatism should be embraced before it’s not just South American and Indian people who have to fight for their rights to even drink water or plant natural seed stock. Corporations and their fascist ‘legal’ arms such as BREIN have, do, and will always threaten, intimidate, and sue the weaker forces that face them because that’s how they set the precedents that they and other corporate forces utilize in the future, getting a bit of control here, and a bit of control there until it all translates as overwhelming power. Seriously, did you ever hear of any corporation dictating and leading criminal raids carried out by a ‘democratic’ state’s police forces prior to this decade? Think about it.
So, take the power that’s yours while you still have it, they stole from you, they infringed the laws, and they would sue or intimidate you into shutting down your site and thus your voice if the roles were reversed. And the basis of the argument that it was a ‘factual’ quote is complete imbecilic crap. It was the guys stated opinion even if he went further and had been quoted as saying ‘it’s a fact’ because apart from the obvious, when did anyone ever have the income sheets of every torrent site on the net? He didn’t so it is just his stated opinion.
STAND UP.
Sue those assholes!
kIRBY dICK, EH?
No Doubt
*chats* SUE THEM SUE THEM SUE THEM
*chants**
[quote comment="218558"][quote comment="218556"][quote comment="218530"][Torrentfreak] does NOT endorse torrenting or illegal file sharing [/quote]
LOL! Here’s a few quotes from Torrentfreak blog posts:
“One million uploaded torrents is a great accomplishment … Mininova founder Niek assured us that they are working on [traffic problems] and that it should get better soon.”
“In the meantime, here’s an article that explains how to bypass Comcast’s BitTorrent interference.”
“Featured Articles: Featured Articles: * How to make BitTorrent Transfers Anonymous, * How to Optimize Your BitTorrent Download Speed, * How To Encrypt BitTorrent Traffic, * Start your own BitTorrent tracker”[/quote]
They never told you it was a good idea. There are “how-to”s on the web to learn how to kill people, or to make deadly poisons, but they dont endorse doing so.[/quote]
Even more so, torrents aren’t illegal. Therefore endorsing torrents is not illegal.
Here’s How I see it… Sure, many of you may argue “it’s just a small quote how can it be CC infringement?” or that it’s pointless etc. the fact of the matter is size of the quote doesn’t matter. This is refered to a special type of CC Infringement… it’s called Plagerism… Did you know you can get kicked out of college for copying something trivial such as a statistic of how many chemicals are in cigarette smoke if you don’t cite your source example: According to the American Medical journal xyz… there are X number of chemicals… now lets say I just wrote a paper and said “with over X number of chemicals in a cigarette” did you know just having the damn NUMBER alone is enough to be brought up on criminal charges???
Wow… This sounds familiar… HD-DVD Key anyone? 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56…. etc… not gonna list the whole thing… but remember how many people got threatened with lawsuits / takedown notices for POSTING A NUMBER…
The point is… They did not cite where they got it from, they did not use MLA, or APA, heck screw all that shit… they didn’t even mention torrentfreak, instead they twisted the facts around and completely plagerized… I say Torrentfreak *should* complain and make their valid arguement as I know they’d have no problem if Torrentfreak forgot to quote CNN or MSNBC, or ABC, etc… god forbid TorrentFreak forgot to cite one of them… wow…
BTW, I saw a manager at McDonalds yesterday as he took the 35mm Camera away from a child and broke it in half… the mother was outraged and started demanding an explination… his reasoning was “The interior of this restaurant is copyrighted. by photographing it, the film and photo becomes the property of McDonalds Corporation.” he then proceeded to pull out a corporate notice explaining that video cameras and still cameras would not be allowed inside Mcdonalds restaurants and showed a “you tube” type video player with a Mcdonalds employee smiling in the window… he then explained to the lady that if he allowed her to keep the camera she would be facing criminal copyright infringement lawsuits.
What is this world coming to?
The worlds going to hell. We’ll all be forced to release our wages to corporations soon so we are allowed to live in their corporate owned land.
This is going to get much, much worse.
Most people are complacent and won’t do anything, but bit by bit peoples rights are taken away.
Nothing can be done to stop it i fear, as there just are too many people who can’t see the real picture.
O God, afraid to say these idiots live in my country…
Happily they do offer a form on their site to report piracy (http://www.anti-piracy.nl/meld_piraterij/meld_piraterij.asp), so I suggest we all put down their act of piracy right there.
Mind you, I’d do it from an internet cafe, not from my own computer…
Plagiarism does not apply here.
For starters, plagiarism is claiming the work to be your own, not simply “forgetting” to cite.
Secondly, penalties for plagiarism at colleges and in journalism only apply to students and journalists. The fact that you can be kicked out of college or lose your job as a journalist does not mean anything in law.
If there is any recourse, it would be through a copyright infringement suit, and it’s unlikely it would be found as anything other than fair use.
Doesn’t matter anyway, they cited the original author of the quote, the owner of sumotorrent.
i love my life
I am sorry to burst your bubble. Whatever you type here is not copyrighted at all. The dictionary companies might as well copyright their entire library.
“Even more so, torrents aren’t illegal. Therefore endorsing torrents is not illegal.”
I lol’ed at this in real life. Torrents aren’t illegal yeah, that’s true alright. It’s just a protocol for file sharing. But the files that are using torrents is illegal for most cases. Therefore, distributing torrents pointing to illegal files is the same as abetting to the crime. Moron.
Show me any torrent that is popular in Mininova that is “legal” in nature. Cut the crap with the Linux torrents, people can get the torrent file from the source instead of Mininova.
The Real Issue is the Number of people who want to hurt the RIAA…look how many people blindly lash out at the organization that legitimately believes it is in the right…but is vastly unpopular…the PEOPLE will win, even if they’re wrong they will win. oh, have I mentioned that they HATE tax collectors? they will fight you and spit it out. at least have the courtesy to trick them, if you want to be in business together.
also i think it is wrong to make money/a living off of war with the citizenry.
So sue them. I dare you. I DOUBLE dare you. Dont sit and talk but do something instead. You claims means NOTHING unless you put up and if you dont then shut the fuck up. Sue them or shut up!
Being that all you do is hark about how evil copyright laws are all day, shouldn’t you be happy as pie that others are copying your work?
TorrentFreak.com should send an email to BREIN with contents similar to the e-mails that they are sending out to torrent sites.
TorrentFreak should blame BREIN for infringing copyright material, and TF should demand an apology.
AND.. TF should also paste the contents of the e-mails later :D
I’m really amazed at how many people are in favor of the RIAA. Freaks me out people are that sheepish.
That isn’t copyright infringement, it’s improper citing. This would normally fall under ‘fair use’ legislation, but as BREIN is a Dutch organization, the Dutch equivalent — citaatrecht — applies here. And it allows “use of copyrighted work” in citations.
Obviously, they could’ve linked back, but were under no obligation to do so.
Like all the pro-RIAA guys here I think the claim agains Brein is ridiculous.
But ofcourse that’s not the point here. The point, I think, here is that an anti-piracy organisation such as Brein is not even applying the most simple forms of nettiquette such as linking back to your source.
You would assume that organisations protecting the rights of originals artists go to every length to fight for those rights. But in the end it ofcourse just coems down to who pays them to do that and who doesn’t. (Well, it’s more complicated than that, but wel..)
@110 / Justice Maltravers:
I’m not really into law that much and thought you were right, but according to wikipedia the law about “citaatrecht” says:
[Copyright is not infringed when a part of the source is used as a citation, but only;]
“- voor zover redelijkerwijs mogelijk, de bron, waaronder de naam van de maker, op duidelijke wijze wordt vermeld.”
Which means something like: “only, when reasonably possible, the source, including the name of the maker, is named in a clear way.”
Just citing your source a “a pirates weblog” is not only a subjective way of naming your source, it’s certainly not clear when it’s obvious you know exactly which source you used.
Not sure how this all works out online though, you may be right that the is more (or actually, less, hehe) to it.
It’s the ultimate irony that these companies which claim to defend the rights of others are doing so by violating the rights of many.
Scare tactics, mass legal action and misdirected legal action are actions which all of these companies are guilty of and actions WIDELY frowned upon (and under certain circumstances and legal systems, illegal).
These companies are now getting their comeuppance through the various law suits against them (Of which we can only expect many more to follow). They’ve learned that in a business where they piss so many people off, people won’t think twice about suing the pants of them.
To BREIN, the MPAA, RIAA and all of the other various anti-piracy outfits around the world: Step up and start conducting legitimate business, or don’t conduct business at all.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH THEY DIDN”T QUOTE MY INTERVIEW WAAAAAAAAAAAAH Someone stick a cock in your mouth to silence your whining.
“Sumotorrent, of the largest illegal immigrant p2p Internet sites in the world,”
Illegal immigrant p2p Internet site?
I giggled.
tehe.. god i’m an idiot arn’t i.
I would say go TF sue them and phuk them up!
but on the other hand it won’t be practical to fight with such organization unless you have tons of money to waste.
I think we can all make more use of the law to thwart anti-P2P organisations.
With EU law on electronic contracts, would it be possible to add an explicit contract to sites like TorrentFreak and Mininova which disallow employees from organisations like BREIN from accessing content on the site? The contract should specify large fees and court costs to be payable by contract violators.
Access by police investigators could probably never be restricted in this way, but they are at least bound by the laws of the land.
I can’t afford to ask a lawyer about this - anyone else who can?
Go Get em!!
Do-IT man! Show those anti-pirates who’s boss!
On a more serious note, I would say that, considering the large sum of money on offer, this could be used to reatly benefit the torrent community.
I say keep 500,000 for u and torrentfreak, but spend the rest on a new client, new servers for trackers, a new tracker even? How about tracker.torrentfreak.com/announce?
Obviously only for members, but you know.
Oportunity beckons, and sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and grab it by the balls.
MiniNova is offline.
Nothing serious.
Yup, I wouldn’t have expected anything less from BREIN. Propaganda the way it should(n’t) be done! You do quote something about p2p webmasters making alot of money, but you very conveniently forget to mention that most of that money (or more) is needed to keep the site running. That p2p webmasters have a netto income that’s significantly lower seems not to bother them…
Way to go BREIN…. #/sarcasm#
~Fransw
Payback in its truest form.
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Wow, Alanis Morissette must be ROFL’ing right now at this irony.
WHERE ARE PIRATES?!?!? I HERD THERE WERE PIRATES HERREEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?1
Umm what the irony is that
alanis Morissette never once uses a correct version of irony in the song Ironic..
she knows about oposites and counterpoints and bad luck though
Gorgeous!
Suing would require TorrentFreaks owners public exposer though, which could be even more troublesome…
I don’t know if the content of TerrentFreak is perfectly legal in nl, but if is:
Do it for the rest of us
Torrentfreak’s name and adress is revealed if you search in any whois database on the web…
Beerenburgje erbij??
[quote comment="218344"]dood… dont get mad cuz of a qoute…its not like u make money from that qoute…everyone just need to chill[/quote]
Learn to fucking spell before you say anything.
Yes grab those BREINDEAD motherfuckers, like they have anything going on for them.
What Dutch product is being shared actually? NOTHING because nobody gives a damn about Dutch media and nobody wants to download it…Maybe a couple Tiesto songs (which i hate).
I hope you win TORRENTFREAK!
[quote comment="219043"]Yes grab those BREINDEAD motherfuckers, like they have anything going on for them.
What Dutch product is being shared actually? NOTHING because nobody gives a damn about Dutch media and nobody wants to download it…Maybe a couple Tiesto songs (which i hate).
I hope you win TORRENTFREAK![/quote]
Hey, I like Dutch movies! Hehe! :D
You just have to find the right tracker for them. ;)
Did any of you ever stop and think that MAYBE they did this on purpose? They steal your copyright materials just like TorrentFreak does with its torrents. Hmmmm, what are you copmplaining about again?
love this.
Keep on coming
I’m not going to complain about anything, most points are made above.
Just wanted to make a short notice on:
[quote]In the press release they refer to TorrentFeak as a “pirate weblog”[/quote]
“een weblog voor Internetpiraten”, says “a weblog for pirates”. Which is but an oppinion and not really an attack on the blog here.
One might say this blog’s targeted public are indeed pirates.
Just wanted to say that.
Sue the MOFOs! :P
[quote comment="219081"]Did any of you ever stop and think that MAYBE they did this on purpose? They steal your copyright materials just like TorrentFreak does with its torrents. Hmmmm, what are you copmplaining about again?[/quote]
TorrentFreak doesn’t host .torrent files. And even then, .torrent files aren’t illegal on itself, it’s the content related to them that MAY be illegal.
And I would not know of any other reason why TF would be illegal under dutch law.
Even if TF is unable to win a court-case about this, it’s very obvious that BREIN took a quote, and put it in a VERY subjective way according to their own needs. Though not illegal, it is dubious at the very least.
~Fransw
Some has to say this: “Lame BREINS”!
AFAIK Torrentfreak is published under the Creative Commons licence, and as they attributed the source (albeit incorrectly) they haven’t strictly don wrong. In any case, what losses can be proved as a consequence?
But it does highlight their own hypocrisy, not that this was ever in any doubt. Despite the lameness (and inaccuracy) of their cowingly inaccurate press notice, it is reassuring to know that they are reading T/F :-)
i love you torrentfreak
But you are acting like a child
@125
the fact that alanis morrissette doesnt use irony in her lyrics for the song ‘ironic’ IS THE IRONY OF THE SONG.
get it?
get them good, take them for all the money you can and pour it into the site. Take them down at their own game.
haha they’re so gay, really sad that they do this haha i hope they all get beaten up and go to a hospital for many years haha
TF wont dare sue, this is just posturing. There are no damages so what are you going to sue for?
Yeah !
Put them in jail !
How about going after em for defamation also. “Pirate” blog?
sueusueusuesuseuuseuseseu
that would be epic
[quote comment="218676"]Plagiarism does not apply here.
For starters, plagiarism is claiming the work to be your own, not simply “forgetting” to cite.
[/quote]
Actually, plagiarism can and does refer to “forgetting” to cite sources. People need to remember this especially when writing academic papers.
[quote comment="218656"]
Even more so, torrents aren’t illegal. Therefore endorsing torrents is not illegal.[/quote]
Nobody can use the “torrents aren’t illegal” statement to justify the use of torrents to acquire copyrighted works. To use one of many examples, it is illegal to send and receive marijuana and other drugs through the US Mail system. In this analogy, the marijuana (illegal) is like acquiring the copyrighted work (also illegal) and the US Mail system is akin to the torrent system.
Another example: if you are transporting illegal drugs in the trunk of a car, you are subject to the prosecution by the law. Cars are not illegal, but that does not mean you gain immunity simply because the drugs were located in a car as opposed to on your person. Any car dealership that sells its vehicles with the knowledge that they will be used to transport drugs is also subject to prosecution. By this logic, a site like Mininova is committing a crime. I wish it weren’t true but it is, and no matter how much you dislike the RIAA, it’s hard to ignore the truth of the law.
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[quote comment="218281"]You guys are such HYPOCRITES!! You don’t want to face legal actions for illegally copy/pasting movies and music, and yet, you’re pissed off over “a quote”.
You realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds?!![/quote]
I completely agree, this is moronic, Taking words from a blog is the same thing as taking digital content of any form. to sue someone for doing something that you report on, on a regular basis and have an obvious objection on the anti piracy law suits is just plane stupid. and shows that your not thinking clearly.
Yeah, all i gotta say is give them a taste of their own medicine.
But I think it’s the lawyers who are winning the most right now guys. . .
[quote comment="219628"][quote comment="218656"]
Even more so, torrents aren’t illegal. Therefore endorsing torrents is not illegal.[/quote]
Nobody can use the “torrents aren’t illegal” statement to justify the use of torrents to acquire copyrighted works. To use one of many examples, it is illegal to send and receive marijuana and other drugs through the US Mail system. In this analogy, the marijuana (illegal) is like acquiring the copyrighted work (also illegal) and the US Mail system is akin to the torrent system.
Another example: if you are transporting illegal drugs in the trunk of a car, you are subject to the prosecution by the law. Cars are not illegal, but that does not mean you gain immunity simply because the drugs were located in a car as opposed to on your person. Any car dealership that sells its vehicles with the knowledge that they will be used to transport drugs is also subject to prosecution. By this logic, a site like Mininova is committing a crime. I wish it weren’t true but it is, and no matter how much you dislike the RIAA, it’s hard to ignore the truth of the law.[/quote]
Very entertaining.. “truth of the law” - that’s a classic.
Anyway, your point is that we should take down the entire postal infrastructure and while we are at it, sue the hell out of car manufacturer just because we can prove the crimes are being commitment.
How about the firm that makes road signs: “Columbia 1542 miles” fried!
SUE THEM !!!!!!
They deserve nothing less.
if they put 1/2 the effort into catching p2p ppl rather than bad mouthing them,
i think it would be alot harder to dl without getting a court order.
so tbh it doesnt really bother me. if they cant even quote right, how do you expect them to catch illegal filesharers.
hahaha beautiful
grab them by the balls and make them hurt
lets get some money back for the bit torrent people :D
[quote comment="220908"][quote comment="219628"][quote comment="218656"]
Even more so, torrents aren’t illegal. Therefore endorsing torrents is not illegal.[/quote]
Nobody can use the “torrents aren’t illegal” statement to justify the use of torrents to acquire copyrighted works. To use one of many examples, it is illegal to send and receive marijuana and other drugs through the US Mail system. In this analogy, the marijuana (illegal) is like acquiring the copyrighted work (also illegal) and the US Mail system is akin to the torrent system.
Another example: if you are transporting illegal drugs in the trunk of a car, you are subject to the prosecution by the law. Cars are not illegal, but that does not mean you gain immunity simply because the drugs were located in a car as opposed to on your person. Any car dealership that sells its vehicles with the knowledge that they will be used to transport drugs is also subject to prosecution. By this logic, a site like Mininova is committing a crime. I wish it weren’t true but it is, and no matter how much you dislike the RIAA, it’s hard to ignore the truth of the law.[/quote]
Very entertaining.. “truth of the law” - that’s a classic.
Anyway, your point is that we should take down the entire postal infrastructure and while we are at it, sue the hell out of car manufacturer just because we can prove the crimes are being commitment.
How about the firm that makes road signs: “Columbia 1542 miles” fried![/quote]
I think Scott’s point was that the postal service and car manufacturers are not inherently illegal, but using a non-illegal service for an illegal purpose is a punishable act.
it would be nice to see them lose in court, however the companies they work for have already bought the government, judges and juries, and lawyers and bailifs and well you get the point….
how about burning down BREINdead HQ?
and have a big drum circle as it burned, roast marshmellows, cook hotdogs, it’ll be a great ol time.
What’s worse, the SENA (sort of the Euro ASCAP) once used a .gif I created (from scratch) for my (at the time) homepage on the web without asking me. I found it on their website when I was checking on some rights-issues involving music in a movie I was working for.
So I e-mailed them, asking why they used my image-file, while I clearly had a disclaimer on my site which said I would only possibly give written permission to use graphics after being asked politely. (I would, by the way, never have given them my permission to use the .GIF for their site.) Needless to say I never heard or read a response from them. Bunch of hypocrites.
[quote comment="218753"]Like all the pro-RIAA guys here I think the claim agains Brein[/quote]Pardon my ignorance, but how can any sane human be ‘pro RIAA’? They are the biggest slime of the planet. If anything, they’ve pretty much ruined the music industry singlehandedly. Oh, and let’s not forget the many innocent lives they’ve ruined as well. Do a web-search on ‘riaa sucks’ and then notice how right ALL the postings and articles are, and why. If you dismiss that, I’m sorry, you must be VERY blind or stupid.
*Family Guy*
“Richard, remember you asked me yesterday what the defenition of irony was?”
“Yes, in fact I do!”
“Well, this is i- aargghh!”
hwe’s not american
He cant even spell sue lol
None of you fucking idiots can spell or type. It’s simply pathetic trying to figure out what most of you even try to convey. What’s truly sad is that the opponents to pirating here are the only ones who could spell. The Pirates look and appear to be just shy of illiterate.
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