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		<title>By: Seiko</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-457931</link>
		<dc:creator>Seiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if CD&#039;s were actually available in music stores besides crappy bands like My Chemical Romance and U2, then less people who do illegal downloads.

It&#039;s nearly impossible to find metal in stores (or anything past rap or generic rock), and if you do it&#039;s $20 a CD. Who has that kind of money; who pays for these?

Really, it&#039;s hard to even find movie soundtracks to popular films. I looked in several stores for the Resident Evil; Extinction soundtrack which probably wasn&#039;t being sold anywhere because it actually had good music from such artists like Nightwish or Collide (an industrial rock band).

They only go after people for music downloads because of how greedy they are. Artists get like $1 a CD unless they are an indepedent label which they only get like $5 then. Yet both the industry and platimum (1 million) selling artists complain and wine like they don&#039;t sell anything.

My advice; move to Europe and listen to actually good bands like Nightwish, Epica, After Forever, Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Indica, Within Temptation, Xandria, Delain, Tarja Turenen, and many more.
Also, for older music, Meatloaf, Def Leppard, Rolling Stones, and also more.
Screw this american label garbage. I doubt Nuclear Blast Records has ever thought of suing anybody, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ve got loads of illegel downloads from there artists because they&#039;re CD&#039;s aren&#039;t worldwide available, even when there supposed to be.

And really, don&#039;t host sharing files, or use crappy websites and no one&#039;s going to know. Or use a seperate computer.

I&#039;m not saying downloading illegal music is right, but sometimes there isn&#039;t a choice. God forbid we don&#039;t want to listen to computer created paris hilton songs and rather listen to Annette Olzon, a woman who can actually sing (and now Nightwish&#039;s new singer since early 2007).

Even Amazon wants to rip me off for Xandria&#039;s greatest hits, $40 freakin bucks. FOr the money the artists get, this CD should be no more than $10 and should be available in all stores in the place of Qwen Stefani&#039;s crappy new album. 

Enough said. America isn&#039;t so great anyway; the south is way better though. At least a great female singer like Carrie Underwood came from there, or In This Moment did from California. Some hope is left, but really, go to Europe; the weather isn&#039;t any worse than America (all weather sucks), and people aren&#039;t so stupid. And the music isn&#039;t so generic either.
Ha Ha...I hope I get a reply from someone else American (I am too but I&#039;m going to be gone as soon as I can) who is annoyed by this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if CD&#8217;s were actually available in music stores besides crappy bands like My Chemical Romance and U2, then less people who do illegal downloads.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nearly impossible to find metal in stores (or anything past rap or generic rock), and if you do it&#8217;s $20 a CD. Who has that kind of money; who pays for these?</p>
<p>Really, it&#8217;s hard to even find movie soundtracks to popular films. I looked in several stores for the Resident Evil; Extinction soundtrack which probably wasn&#8217;t being sold anywhere because it actually had good music from such artists like Nightwish or Collide (an industrial rock band).</p>
<p>They only go after people for music downloads because of how greedy they are. Artists get like $1 a CD unless they are an indepedent label which they only get like $5 then. Yet both the industry and platimum (1 million) selling artists complain and wine like they don&#8217;t sell anything.</p>
<p>My advice; move to Europe and listen to actually good bands like Nightwish, Epica, After Forever, Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Indica, Within Temptation, Xandria, Delain, Tarja Turenen, and many more.<br />
Also, for older music, Meatloaf, Def Leppard, Rolling Stones, and also more.<br />
Screw this american label garbage. I doubt Nuclear Blast Records has ever thought of suing anybody, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve got loads of illegel downloads from there artists because they&#8217;re CD&#8217;s aren&#8217;t worldwide available, even when there supposed to be.</p>
<p>And really, don&#8217;t host sharing files, or use crappy websites and no one&#8217;s going to know. Or use a seperate computer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying downloading illegal music is right, but sometimes there isn&#8217;t a choice. God forbid we don&#8217;t want to listen to computer created paris hilton songs and rather listen to Annette Olzon, a woman who can actually sing (and now Nightwish&#8217;s new singer since early 2007).</p>
<p>Even Amazon wants to rip me off for Xandria&#8217;s greatest hits, $40 freakin bucks. FOr the money the artists get, this CD should be no more than $10 and should be available in all stores in the place of Qwen Stefani&#8217;s crappy new album. </p>
<p>Enough said. America isn&#8217;t so great anyway; the south is way better though. At least a great female singer like Carrie Underwood came from there, or In This Moment did from California. Some hope is left, but really, go to Europe; the weather isn&#8217;t any worse than America (all weather sucks), and people aren&#8217;t so stupid. And the music isn&#8217;t so generic either.<br />
Ha Ha&#8230;I hope I get a reply from someone else American (I am too but I&#8217;m going to be gone as soon as I can) who is annoyed by this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: briand</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-420038</link>
		<dc:creator>briand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>momo #21 check out this.  This is one of the provisions covered in ACTA being discussed at the G8  

Border searches
Newspaper reports indicate that the proposed agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or &quot;ripped&quot; music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[2][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_G8_summit

Intellectual property rights controversy

    See more: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement[4]

A leaked document[5] details provisions of a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. If adopted, a treaty of this form would impose a strong, top-down enforcement regime imposing new cooperation requirements upon ISPs, including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, as well as measures restricting the use of online privacy tools. The proposal also specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime. Talking points from the European Commission, the Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and others have published selected passages ostensibly from this document; refer to http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/ for useful links.

How&#039;s that for losing your rights if it came true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>momo #21 check out this.  This is one of the provisions covered in ACTA being discussed at the G8  </p>
<p>Border searches<br />
Newspaper reports indicate that the proposed agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or &#8220;ripped&#8221; music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[2][5]</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_G8_summit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_G8_summit</a></p>
<p>Intellectual property rights controversy</p>
<p>    See more: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement[4]</p>
<p>A leaked document[5] details provisions of a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. If adopted, a treaty of this form would impose a strong, top-down enforcement regime imposing new cooperation requirements upon ISPs, including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, as well as measures restricting the use of online privacy tools. The proposal also specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime. Talking points from the European Commission, the Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and others have published selected passages ostensibly from this document; refer to <a href="http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/" rel="nofollow">http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/</a> for useful links.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for losing your rights if it came true.</p>
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		<title>By: userman</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-411393</link>
		<dc:creator>userman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what actually happened to these people? What&#039;s the full story? 
 
Paranoia helps no one. Divide and conquer has always been the way of the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what actually happened to these people? What&#8217;s the full story? </p>
<p>Paranoia helps no one. Divide and conquer has always been the way of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: it's hot outside</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-411223</link>
		<dc:creator>it's hot outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>106 is either for real - as in one who works for the police or mafiaa

or - bored and should find a new movie to download</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>106 is either for real &#8211; as in one who works for the police or mafiaa</p>
<p>or &#8211; bored and should find a new movie to download</p>
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		<title>By: AXJ</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-410446</link>
		<dc:creator>AXJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell, the internet is free for everyone. If they don&#039;t want it published don&#039;t release it on the web. Dr. Ron Paul is everywhere and watching the police closely. AXJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell, the internet is free for everyone. If they don&#8217;t want it published don&#8217;t release it on the web. Dr. Ron Paul is everywhere and watching the police closely. AXJ</p>
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		<title>By: AXJ</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-410440</link>
		<dc:creator>AXJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, are the chaps from AXJ and Dr. Ron Paul studying this scam by the police?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, are the chaps from AXJ and Dr. Ron Paul studying this scam by the police?</p>
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		<title>By: FrequentUser</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-410147</link>
		<dc:creator>FrequentUser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven&#039;t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get their 42 days detention without trial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven&#8217;t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get their 42 days detention without trial!</p>
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		<title>By: FrequentUser</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-410145</link>
		<dc:creator>FrequentUser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven&#039;t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get 42 days!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven&#8217;t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get 42 days!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-409223</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The artist and the label creates and markets their goods as they see fit, no? And they release only if they wish to as part of a carefully timed campaign. That&#039;s their right. You&#039;d enjoy the same right if you were creating the music. Can anyone here explain why an online pirate has the right to take this copyrighted music and spread it around the network without proper authorization?

Make your OWN music and plan your OWN release dates if you want to, but keep your hands off what doesn&#039;t (ever) belong to you. What&#039;s complicated about this? What WRONG with you fucking people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The artist and the label creates and markets their goods as they see fit, no? And they release only if they wish to as part of a carefully timed campaign. That&#8217;s their right. You&#8217;d enjoy the same right if you were creating the music. Can anyone here explain why an online pirate has the right to take this copyrighted music and spread it around the network without proper authorization?</p>
<p>Make your OWN music and plan your OWN release dates if you want to, but keep your hands off what doesn&#8217;t (ever) belong to you. What&#8217;s complicated about this? What WRONG with you fucking people?</p>
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		<title>By: Talking from Experience...</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-408964</link>
		<dc:creator>Talking from Experience...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@109:

The Crown reserves the right to bring charges/proceed to prosecution against any UK citizen in a criminal case without fear of counter-claim by any person in the event of a failed case/dropped charges so no, they will have no legal recourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@109:</p>
<p>The Crown reserves the right to bring charges/proceed to prosecution against any UK citizen in a criminal case without fear of counter-claim by any person in the event of a failed case/dropped charges so no, they will have no legal recourse.</p>
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		<title>By: bandgeekmafia78</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-408414</link>
		<dc:creator>bandgeekmafia78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear sells newspapers. Fear is sexy. Fear makes it a lot easier to prosecute people. It makes it
easier to marginalise people. Fear makes it easier to oppress people. It&#039;s a Band Aid approach
to deeper social problems and issues. That&#039;s the disinformation of the media.

In addition, responsibility for uploading/downloading cannot rest with one group unless criminal law allows it to do so. IMO, the problem here is that criminal justice cannot coincide with social and moral justice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear sells newspapers. Fear is sexy. Fear makes it a lot easier to prosecute people. It makes it<br />
easier to marginalise people. Fear makes it easier to oppress people. It&#8217;s a Band Aid approach<br />
to deeper social problems and issues. That&#8217;s the disinformation of the media.</p>
<p>In addition, responsibility for uploading/downloading cannot rest with one group unless criminal law allows it to do so. IMO, the problem here is that criminal justice cannot coincide with social and moral justice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: drone</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-408384</link>
		<dc:creator>drone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#21: You made my day.

Borrowing a few ones and zeros is much worse than taking a human life.  

Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#21: You made my day.</p>
<p>Borrowing a few ones and zeros is much worse than taking a human life.  </p>
<p>Right?</p>
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		<title>By: yannee</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-408334</link>
		<dc:creator>yannee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All pre-releasers are not necessarily uploading &quot;leaked&quot; albums. On more than one occasion, when I have pre-ordered CDs from major online retailers, they have arrived anything up to 4 days before the official release date, so that some of those arrested might have unwittingly uploaded to Oink, having done the same.
    Re the police arrests, does anyone know whether they took away the computers of those involved?---  this might indicate how seriously the police are taking the matter.
    Re the numbers of police required to make the arrests, I assume that this was because of the danger involved in approaching a dangerous suspect,who might be armed with a loaded CD!
    One final point--if the powers-that-be do not proceed against those arrested, will the way be open to the &quot;victims&quot; to take legal action for distress, job loss, etc. (one at least was very publicly arrested at their place of work)on the basis that these were obviously obviously &quot;trumped-up&quot; charges---time to call Injury Lawyers4u, methinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All pre-releasers are not necessarily uploading &#8220;leaked&#8221; albums. On more than one occasion, when I have pre-ordered CDs from major online retailers, they have arrived anything up to 4 days before the official release date, so that some of those arrested might have unwittingly uploaded to Oink, having done the same.<br />
    Re the police arrests, does anyone know whether they took away the computers of those involved?&#8212;  this might indicate how seriously the police are taking the matter.<br />
    Re the numbers of police required to make the arrests, I assume that this was because of the danger involved in approaching a dangerous suspect,who might be armed with a loaded CD!<br />
    One final point&#8211;if the powers-that-be do not proceed against those arrested, will the way be open to the &#8220;victims&#8221; to take legal action for distress, job loss, etc. (one at least was very publicly arrested at their place of work)on the basis that these were obviously obviously &#8220;trumped-up&#8221; charges&#8212;time to call Injury Lawyers4u, methinks!</p>
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		<title>By: rez</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-407494</link>
		<dc:creator>rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all politicians are blood-sucking scum.
police just serve the political class and the corporate elite.

when you get attacked or stabbed in the street the police don&#039;t give a damn.

They only take action if somebody annoys or steps on the toes of the corporate elite.
This world is run by criminal gangs that impose their sham &quot;democracy&quot; and their laws to &quot;criminalize&quot; the mass of the population.

The REAL criminals are the so called &quot;politicians&quot; and the &quot;lawyers&quot;.
They are scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all politicians are blood-sucking scum.<br />
police just serve the political class and the corporate elite.</p>
<p>when you get attacked or stabbed in the street the police don&#8217;t give a damn.</p>
<p>They only take action if somebody annoys or steps on the toes of the corporate elite.<br />
This world is run by criminal gangs that impose their sham &#8220;democracy&#8221; and their laws to &#8220;criminalize&#8221; the mass of the population.</p>
<p>The REAL criminals are the so called &#8220;politicians&#8221; and the &#8220;lawyers&#8221;.<br />
They are scum.</p>
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		<title>By: DNR</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-407296</link>
		<dc:creator>DNR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@25, unfortunately, for some time now, the British Police can and indeed do take DNA samples and fingerprints of anyone arrested for even the most minor of offences. 
Literally, for ANY arrestable offence, you can expect to have your DNA sample taken. It&#039;s one of the most frightening examples of civil-rights abuses that have been steadily making their way into UK law for the past 20 years or so. And the labour governement seems to have taken them to new heights. 

I haven&#039;t been arrested for years, but I fear for what would happen if and when I ever am in future, &#039;cos I know I won&#039;t be complying, though I also understand it&#039;s pretty much useless even to try resisting. Friends of mine have told stories of being manhandled and forcibly having their DNA samples taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25, unfortunately, for some time now, the British Police can and indeed do take DNA samples and fingerprints of anyone arrested for even the most minor of offences.<br />
Literally, for ANY arrestable offence, you can expect to have your DNA sample taken. It&#8217;s one of the most frightening examples of civil-rights abuses that have been steadily making their way into UK law for the past 20 years or so. And the labour governement seems to have taken them to new heights. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been arrested for years, but I fear for what would happen if and when I ever am in future, &#8216;cos I know I won&#8217;t be complying, though I also understand it&#8217;s pretty much useless even to try resisting. Friends of mine have told stories of being manhandled and forcibly having their DNA samples taken.</p>
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		<title>By: police999</title>
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		<dc:creator>police999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we will not tolerate as such, the implicit sharing of those that seek to distribute copyrighted materials thereof by way of download,bit torrent or worse still carboot sale&quot;

we hereby declare that all recorded ips will be traced and correlated by actions therewith hence forth.

in other words:
we&#039;re coming to get our mp3&#039;s back. you have been warned.

in more words:
do not attempt to throw your dvd&#039;s,harddrives in the river as all waterways have been completely secured.

come out with your hands up!and hand over ANY mp3 player to the designated officer in your area.

you WILL face the full wrath of the law and in most cases serve a long custodial sentence at the discression of the lord chief justice himself.

the days of &quot;free mp3&quot; are OVER !
and it starts RIGHT NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we will not tolerate as such, the implicit sharing of those that seek to distribute copyrighted materials thereof by way of download,bit torrent or worse still carboot sale&#8221;</p>
<p>we hereby declare that all recorded ips will be traced and correlated by actions therewith hence forth.</p>
<p>in other words:<br />
we&#8217;re coming to get our mp3&#8242;s back. you have been warned.</p>
<p>in more words:<br />
do not attempt to throw your dvd&#8217;s,harddrives in the river as all waterways have been completely secured.</p>
<p>come out with your hands up!and hand over ANY mp3 player to the designated officer in your area.</p>
<p>you WILL face the full wrath of the law and in most cases serve a long custodial sentence at the discression of the lord chief justice himself.</p>
<p>the days of &#8220;free mp3&#8243; are OVER !<br />
and it starts RIGHT NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406743</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleveland police?  Did these people break local or state laws?  If not, then why don&#039;t these cops enforce federal immigration laws against illegals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland police?  Did these people break local or state laws?  If not, then why don&#8217;t these cops enforce federal immigration laws against illegals?</p>
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		<title>By: bbfg</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406634</link>
		<dc:creator>bbfg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>biggest sources for pre releases? LOL</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406600</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah well I admitted it already, so I will be rotting in jail soon for sharing one album. Thanks for all the fish....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah well I admitted it already, so I will be rotting in jail soon for sharing one album. Thanks for all the fish&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: WakuWaku</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406595</link>
		<dc:creator>WakuWaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i stop buying music since the raid â€¦ more people should do that.
I&#039;m only ripping and upping promo&#039;s now at

http://what.cd/index.php

http://www.waffles.fm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i stop buying music since the raid â€¦ more people should do that.<br />
I&#8217;m only ripping and upping promo&#8217;s now at</p>
<p><a href="http://what.cd/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://what.cd/index.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.waffles.fm" rel="nofollow">http://www.waffles.fm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Talking from Experience...</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406586</link>
		<dc:creator>Talking from Experience...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ack..

Para 1 should read &quot;â€¦in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence. Also, the prosecution does not necessarily have to prove that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ack..</p>
<p>Para 1 should read &#8220;â€¦in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence. Also, the prosecution does not necessarily have to prove that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Talking from Experience...</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406580</link>
		<dc:creator>Talking from Experience...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud  IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence.  Also, the  does not necessarily have to proved that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.

More interesting however, will be the challenge against the definiton of &#039;conspiracy&#039; if/when this ever sees a court-room.  To prove the conspiracy exists, the prosecution has to show that more than 1 participant (since you cannot conspire with yourself!) conspired together to either perform an act or planned to perform an act at some point in the future and in doing so, broke the law.

I should imagine that it could be argued that users who are unknown to each other in a swarm, except by an IP address, cannot necessarily conspire together in any tangible manner and certainly OiNK itself could not be accused of furthering the alleged conspiracy without tangible evidence that it did so.  

Advice to others who may think they are likely to be involved in this or other cases in future: SAY NOTHING if you are interviewed under caution. 

It&#039;s common to be interviewed by the police with a view towards them gathering the final informational pieces of the puzzle from you yourself and there&#039;s nothing that looks better to the prosecution when you take the witness box than a file full of transcripts from your interview that drop you right in the shit with no paddle.

You have the right to silence for a damn good reason and this applies equally in the UK and elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud  IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence.  Also, the  does not necessarily have to proved that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.</p>
<p>More interesting however, will be the challenge against the definiton of &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; if/when this ever sees a court-room.  To prove the conspiracy exists, the prosecution has to show that more than 1 participant (since you cannot conspire with yourself!) conspired together to either perform an act or planned to perform an act at some point in the future and in doing so, broke the law.</p>
<p>I should imagine that it could be argued that users who are unknown to each other in a swarm, except by an IP address, cannot necessarily conspire together in any tangible manner and certainly OiNK itself could not be accused of furthering the alleged conspiracy without tangible evidence that it did so.  </p>
<p>Advice to others who may think they are likely to be involved in this or other cases in future: SAY NOTHING if you are interviewed under caution. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s common to be interviewed by the police with a view towards them gathering the final informational pieces of the puzzle from you yourself and there&#8217;s nothing that looks better to the prosecution when you take the witness box than a file full of transcripts from your interview that drop you right in the shit with no paddle.</p>
<p>You have the right to silence for a damn good reason and this applies equally in the UK and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Glickman Will Be My Bitch!</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406534</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Glickman Will Be My Bitch!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One does have to wonder why BPI, IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and others can feel relatively safe going to to work every day at known office locations. In a just world these vermin should be constantly looking over their shoulder and operating from secret locations where they can&#039;t easily be found. Yet they are well known publicly and obviously feel that they will not have to pay a price for their persecution of others. One doesn&#039;t win a battle by bending the knee or wringing your hands together and crying about what a bunch of meanies they are. You beat someone playing hardball by taking it to them twice as hard as they bring it to you.

Or......

You can just drop trou, bend over, and pray they&#039;ll be gentle when it&#039;s your turn to be f*cked by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One does have to wonder why BPI, IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and others can feel relatively safe going to to work every day at known office locations. In a just world these vermin should be constantly looking over their shoulder and operating from secret locations where they can&#8217;t easily be found. Yet they are well known publicly and obviously feel that they will not have to pay a price for their persecution of others. One doesn&#8217;t win a battle by bending the knee or wringing your hands together and crying about what a bunch of meanies they are. You beat someone playing hardball by taking it to them twice as hard as they bring it to you.</p>
<p>Or&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>You can just drop trou, bend over, and pray they&#8217;ll be gentle when it&#8217;s your turn to be f*cked by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406511</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@95 
Piss off asshat</description>
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Piss off asshat</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406510</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...our police rock.....
They wouldnt be able to find a dick in a porno movie but somehow found some random people on the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;our police rock&#8230;..<br />
They wouldnt be able to find a dick in a porno movie but somehow found some random people on the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406468</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7432757.stm</description>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406445</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(at 9) it is hardly harmless. It costs jobs and will in the future limit the amount of releases/type of material released. File sharing in particular will hurt the indy film industry which relies not on wide scale cinema release but on home media sales. we will be left with only big &#039;cinema experience&#039; action films and movies of similar ilk.

it&#039;s stealing guys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(at 9) it is hardly harmless. It costs jobs and will in the future limit the amount of releases/type of material released. File sharing in particular will hurt the indy film industry which relies not on wide scale cinema release but on home media sales. we will be left with only big &#8216;cinema experience&#8217; action films and movies of similar ilk.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s stealing guys</p>
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		<title>By: OMG JUST 6</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406406</link>
		<dc:creator>OMG JUST 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIKE WOA these 6 were the stupidest of all the OINK users and were selling what they also uploaded and deserve to get all they get.

Don&#039;t sell it and they will have 50 less reasons to bother you.

Rember the drink or die raids a group that had 150 members had ONLY 6 arrests after hundreds a computers were seized and tons a servers. HAHA this is proof its the big tax dollars at work just making your purcahses that people do make more expensive, think how expensive it is to pay media defender to have 9 gigabit DDoS setup.
YA you want a war media defender you just bought into one know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIKE WOA these 6 were the stupidest of all the OINK users and were selling what they also uploaded and deserve to get all they get.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sell it and they will have 50 less reasons to bother you.</p>
<p>Rember the drink or die raids a group that had 150 members had ONLY 6 arrests after hundreds a computers were seized and tons a servers. HAHA this is proof its the big tax dollars at work just making your purcahses that people do make more expensive, think how expensive it is to pay media defender to have 9 gigabit DDoS setup.<br />
YA you want a war media defender you just bought into one know.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshino in the Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406304</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshino in the Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@87
I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll get to doing this once I have an education and a job, but since I am in high school right now, I would much rather have someone else do it before me so that it could be done earlier, but if that does not happen before I am able to, I will take up the burden of doing it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@87<br />
I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll get to doing this once I have an education and a job, but since I am in high school right now, I would much rather have someone else do it before me so that it could be done earlier, but if that does not happen before I am able to, I will take up the burden of doing it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: wwwDOTezeeDOTse</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406232</link>
		<dc:creator>wwwDOTezeeDOTse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @simple math!

For some reason I REALLY liked your post m8, i didnt read the whole of the 90 or so comments but am glad I read yours.

Again, our prayers with the poor souls who are facing this, but lets just not pray and sit back and wait... talk about it, blog about it, get the truth  out like this:

http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2008/06/03/oink-arrests-acta-beyond/

They can control the media, but they can never control our right to blog and talk about it and get the word out. Not everyone knows what they are doing is illegal, education is the key.

Peace my brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @simple math!</p>
<p>For some reason I REALLY liked your post m8, i didnt read the whole of the 90 or so comments but am glad I read yours.</p>
<p>Again, our prayers with the poor souls who are facing this, but lets just not pray and sit back and wait&#8230; talk about it, blog about it, get the truth  out like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2008/06/03/oink-arrests-acta-beyond/" rel="nofollow">http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2008/06/03/oink-arrests-acta-beyond/</a></p>
<p>They can control the media, but they can never control our right to blog and talk about it and get the word out. Not everyone knows what they are doing is illegal, education is the key.</p>
<p>Peace my brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Math</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406112</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Math</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve already won the piracy war people, it&#039;s just a question of time. 

Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

5 years (2012) - We&#039;ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

10 years (2017) - We&#039;ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies and 10.3 MILLION songs

15 years (2022) - We&#039;ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! and 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

20 years (2027) - We&#039;ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES and 590 MILLION MP3s!

==================
GAME *UCKING OVER!
===================

By 2030, we&#039;ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin&#039; wrist watches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve already won the piracy war people, it&#8217;s just a question of time. </p>
<p>Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:</p>
<p>5 years (2012) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!</p>
<p>10 years (2017) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies and 10.3 MILLION songs</p>
<p>15 years (2022) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! and 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)</p>
<p>20 years (2027) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES and 590 MILLION MP3s!</p>
<p>==================<br />
GAME *UCKING OVER!<br />
===================</p>
<p>By 2030, we&#8217;ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin&#8217; wrist watches!</p>
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		<title>By: Bertiebasket</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406092</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertiebasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its nice that the police are spending their time on such important things, no wonder this god forsaken country is going down the pan : /</description>
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		<title>By: Annono Former Oink User</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406086</link>
		<dc:creator>Annono Former Oink User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so fucking funny that they say all the music ORIGINATED on Oink, luls.

What fucking noobs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so fucking funny that they say all the music ORIGINATED on Oink, luls.</p>
<p>What fucking noobs!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406069</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty interesting, it&#039;ll be fun to watch this all play out =3

I wonder whats going to happen July 1st, because if anything is to happen or not, that will probably set the law on what is to be done with ex-OiNKs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty interesting, it&#8217;ll be fun to watch this all play out =3</p>
<p>I wonder whats going to happen July 1st, because if anything is to happen or not, that will probably set the law on what is to be done with ex-OiNKs</p>
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		<title>By: thedirtee</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-406057</link>
		<dc:creator>thedirtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Yoshino -

You&#039;re preaching to the choir bud...  It&#039;s not like we don&#039;t understand what has to be done, there are just too many people like you out there who aren&#039;t willing to take the initiative to get out there and do it.  And I don&#039;t mean that in a rude way, I&#039;m just being blunt.

Hell, I&#039;M one of those people.  It&#039;s just the way things work nowadays...  Society as a whole is full of complacent people who will put up with anything their government throws at them.  Let&#039;s face it, if most of the world&#039;s population is too lazy/indifferent to use a different type of lightbulb that could greatly reduce the effect of global warming (a problem which will eventually lead to THE EXTINCTION OF MANKIND AS WE KNOW IT) then why do you think people would rally to support file-sharing and the ideals that come with it?

I feel your pain, I do.  And it&#039;s a great idea in theory...  But a theory it is doomed to remain.  Call it a defeatist attitude, but revolutions are hard to come by.  People have to have priorities, and fighting for a lost cause isn&#039;t very high up on my list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Yoshino -</p>
<p>You&#8217;re preaching to the choir bud&#8230;  It&#8217;s not like we don&#8217;t understand what has to be done, there are just too many people like you out there who aren&#8217;t willing to take the initiative to get out there and do it.  And I don&#8217;t mean that in a rude way, I&#8217;m just being blunt.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;M one of those people.  It&#8217;s just the way things work nowadays&#8230;  Society as a whole is full of complacent people who will put up with anything their government throws at them.  Let&#8217;s face it, if most of the world&#8217;s population is too lazy/indifferent to use a different type of lightbulb that could greatly reduce the effect of global warming (a problem which will eventually lead to THE EXTINCTION OF MANKIND AS WE KNOW IT) then why do you think people would rally to support file-sharing and the ideals that come with it?</p>
<p>I feel your pain, I do.  And it&#8217;s a great idea in theory&#8230;  But a theory it is doomed to remain.  Call it a defeatist attitude, but revolutions are hard to come by.  People have to have priorities, and fighting for a lost cause isn&#8217;t very high up on my list.</p>
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		<title>By: Genieguy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405906</link>
		<dc:creator>Genieguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully there won&#039;t be any Norwegian police doing anything about ex-OiNK users ;&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pffft</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405856</link>
		<dc:creator>pffft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6 people outta how many users??? yeah, they&#039;ve really made a huge dent and have me shaking in my boots. HA.

THEY STILL HAVEN&#039;T EVEN CHARGED OiNK, WHAT A JOKEEEEEEEEEEE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 people outta how many users??? yeah, they&#8217;ve really made a huge dent and have me shaking in my boots. HA.</p>
<p>THEY STILL HAVEN&#8217;T EVEN CHARGED OiNK, WHAT A JOKEEEEEEEEEEE</p>
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		<title>By: malvachat</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405841</link>
		<dc:creator>malvachat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Am I the only one a little bit perplexed by what the police are doing with regards to these arrests? The alleged crimes that are being committed are in the digital world, so for what purpose are DNA &amp; fingerprints being taken?&quot;
Because it is now the law in Britain.
If you get arrested they take your DNA and prints.
I notice no charges have been laid.
Knowing the incompetence of the British police,we&#039;re all safe for a few years yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Am I the only one a little bit perplexed by what the police are doing with regards to these arrests? The alleged crimes that are being committed are in the digital world, so for what purpose are DNA &amp; fingerprints being taken?&#8221;<br />
Because it is now the law in Britain.<br />
If you get arrested they take your DNA and prints.<br />
I notice no charges have been laid.<br />
Knowing the incompetence of the British police,we&#8217;re all safe for a few years yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405636</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would we change the laws? What influence do we have? Well we the consumer could have much influence if we banded together in agreement, true.

But we don&#039;t have the obscene wealth of the cartels. We just made them that way I guess. Whoever has the gold makes the rules, because they pay the most taxes. Not to mention bribes or campaign contributions.

^^ We don&#039;t think u are feeble, but intelligent and concerned. However, I don&#039;t believe that protests ever accomplished anything useful.

The system is going down anyway, and nothing can stop it. Corruption is never upbuilding. We may lose everything we have, but if we can escape with our lives, w will do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would we change the laws? What influence do we have? Well we the consumer could have much influence if we banded together in agreement, true.</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have the obscene wealth of the cartels. We just made them that way I guess. Whoever has the gold makes the rules, because they pay the most taxes. Not to mention bribes or campaign contributions.</p>
<p>^^ We don&#8217;t think u are feeble, but intelligent and concerned. However, I don&#8217;t believe that protests ever accomplished anything useful.</p>
<p>The system is going down anyway, and nothing can stop it. Corruption is never upbuilding. We may lose everything we have, but if we can escape with our lives, w will do well.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshino in the Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405622</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshino in the Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What needs to happen is for us to unify under some organization because unity is key, so that we can pool our resources together so that we can have a political impact, advocate our cause, and have legal defense.

Only then can we ever hope to change the laws.

We need to change the laws, because getting around the laws is not enough, because we need not only the ability to file-share, but also respect for file-sharing. If we believe that our activity to be of any goodness, then it is completely unacceptable for people to disrespect it and call it a criminal activity. If we are to have any respect at all, then we must have it respected firstly by the law.

The only real reason why the RIAA etc. are having dominance is because they are organized and we are not.

It is not because of money. If money was always absolute power, then slavery would still be around, and the tobacco industry would still be reigning supreme.

The moral fervor which actuates us to organized action is what wins in the end. We have the moral upper hand as the true appreciators of culture over those greedy people who are unjustly trying to destroy true culture and replace it with something of no value and only for money.

Therefore, we need to get organized now, and change the laws. Respectability is key: we cannot possibly have any respect when the law criminalizes it. We can do so, and we must.

The fact is plain and simple: we should not try to get around the laws; rather, we should change them.

You may think that it is hopeless to change the laws because of the influence of corporations. Yet this was done once, due to the determination of a fanatical public to overcome the tyranny of monopolistic corporations. This was the progressive era of 1900-1920. Before the progressive era, the corporations freely made monopolies and the courts favored the trusts over the labor unions. Yet, the determination of the muckrakers, the sensationalists, and determined individuals was able to change all of that. There is no impossibility for a determined public to right a wrong caused by corporations.

I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite, because I am not in a position in my life for me to be able to such a thing. Since I am only in high school, I would rather have a proxy with higher social standing and more available time to do this. Someone should be this proxy, because such a thing is desperately needed for human rights.

As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.

On a side note, you may think that this is feeble, but it is not. Public statements are never feeble: we should arrange massive angry protests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What needs to happen is for us to unify under some organization because unity is key, so that we can pool our resources together so that we can have a political impact, advocate our cause, and have legal defense.</p>
<p>Only then can we ever hope to change the laws.</p>
<p>We need to change the laws, because getting around the laws is not enough, because we need not only the ability to file-share, but also respect for file-sharing. If we believe that our activity to be of any goodness, then it is completely unacceptable for people to disrespect it and call it a criminal activity. If we are to have any respect at all, then we must have it respected firstly by the law.</p>
<p>The only real reason why the RIAA etc. are having dominance is because they are organized and we are not.</p>
<p>It is not because of money. If money was always absolute power, then slavery would still be around, and the tobacco industry would still be reigning supreme.</p>
<p>The moral fervor which actuates us to organized action is what wins in the end. We have the moral upper hand as the true appreciators of culture over those greedy people who are unjustly trying to destroy true culture and replace it with something of no value and only for money.</p>
<p>Therefore, we need to get organized now, and change the laws. Respectability is key: we cannot possibly have any respect when the law criminalizes it. We can do so, and we must.</p>
<p>The fact is plain and simple: we should not try to get around the laws; rather, we should change them.</p>
<p>You may think that it is hopeless to change the laws because of the influence of corporations. Yet this was done once, due to the determination of a fanatical public to overcome the tyranny of monopolistic corporations. This was the progressive era of 1900-1920. Before the progressive era, the corporations freely made monopolies and the courts favored the trusts over the labor unions. Yet, the determination of the muckrakers, the sensationalists, and determined individuals was able to change all of that. There is no impossibility for a determined public to right a wrong caused by corporations.</p>
<p>I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite, because I am not in a position in my life for me to be able to such a thing. Since I am only in high school, I would rather have a proxy with higher social standing and more available time to do this. Someone should be this proxy, because such a thing is desperately needed for human rights.</p>
<p>As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.</p>
<p>On a side note, you may think that this is feeble, but it is not. Public statements are never feeble: we should arrange massive angry protests.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405616</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good is bad, bad is good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good is bad, bad is good</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405615</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 That is exactly right. Those that deal in playing and recording equipment are more at fault and responsible than those who use it.

This is in line with one of our new laws which states it is illegal to leave your keys in your parked car, as it&#039;s an inducement to theft. Of course the thieves get away with it. Criminalizing the innocent has become the way of our screwed up world, since criminals either get off light or scot free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 That is exactly right. Those that deal in playing and recording equipment are more at fault and responsible than those who use it.</p>
<p>This is in line with one of our new laws which states it is illegal to leave your keys in your parked car, as it&#8217;s an inducement to theft. Of course the thieves get away with it. Criminalizing the innocent has become the way of our screwed up world, since criminals either get off light or scot free</p>
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		<title>By: missingOINK</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405550</link>
		<dc:creator>missingOINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i agree torrent sites should log IPs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i agree torrent sites should log IPs.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoff</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405527</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading some time ago, that the EU courts had stated that downloading is not illegal within the EU, as long as you either delete or buy what you download.
In other words, It has to be proven beyond all doubt that you downloaded and have kept/distributed the copyrighted product/s which you have no rights to.
In this case, Music.
Pre-release music, is I think an exception, as this data ie the CD contents, Must have been physically stolen from somewhere in the first place.
This is why I think the Police are involved.
However if they come for my password, They&#039;ll be disappointed as it was so long ago now, I just can&#039;t remember it pmslmao@ the bpi :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading some time ago, that the EU courts had stated that downloading is not illegal within the EU, as long as you either delete or buy what you download.<br />
In other words, It has to be proven beyond all doubt that you downloaded and have kept/distributed the copyrighted product/s which you have no rights to.<br />
In this case, Music.<br />
Pre-release music, is I think an exception, as this data ie the CD contents, Must have been physically stolen from somewhere in the first place.<br />
This is why I think the Police are involved.<br />
However if they come for my password, They&#8217;ll be disappointed as it was so long ago now, I just can&#8217;t remember it pmslmao@ the bpi :P</p>
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		<title>By: king</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405523</link>
		<dc:creator>king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everything is pre released...music, movies, apps, games...

most of you are falling pray to the medias take on pre-released offerings online just like everyone reading tomorrows paper will..

so that dvdrip you get before the official tuesday release, or that song you download before it hits shelves..yah youve been there, and prob downloaded it...

damn where would the fun be if everything was released online the same as your local best buy...and yes it completely sucks for those arrested, maybe they should of used a box to upload from, or some other means than their home connection.  best of luck to them, but enough with this pre release hype</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everything is pre released&#8230;music, movies, apps, games&#8230;</p>
<p>most of you are falling pray to the medias take on pre-released offerings online just like everyone reading tomorrows paper will..</p>
<p>so that dvdrip you get before the official tuesday release, or that song you download before it hits shelves..yah youve been there, and prob downloaded it&#8230;</p>
<p>damn where would the fun be if everything was released online the same as your local best buy&#8230;and yes it completely sucks for those arrested, maybe they should of used a box to upload from, or some other means than their home connection.  best of luck to them, but enough with this pre release hype</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshino in the Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405516</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshino in the Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@65
Yes, I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite.

As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@65<br />
Yes, I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite.</p>
<p>As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ummmm</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405508</link>
		<dc:creator>Ummmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the dude from Oink say that when he was busted, the users had nothing to worry about because the user records, etc were all &quot;safe&quot;.  Guess not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the dude from Oink say that when he was busted, the users had nothing to worry about because the user records, etc were all &#8220;safe&#8221;.  Guess not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405498</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When they come for you, who will there be left to speak?&quot;
The torrent sites need to unite. If they pledged a significant amount of their revenue and resources into developing or helping with next-gen filesharing software, they could stop this from happening. We need more research into a system that doesn&#039;t allow for logging of everyone&#039;s details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When they come for you, who will there be left to speak?&#8221;<br />
The torrent sites need to unite. If they pledged a significant amount of their revenue and resources into developing or helping with next-gen filesharing software, they could stop this from happening. We need more research into a system that doesn&#8217;t allow for logging of everyone&#8217;s details.</p>
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		<title>By: alba</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405494</link>
		<dc:creator>alba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time&quot;

what a joke, why ruin regular music lovers lives. if they are gonna go for someone shouldnt they start at the really top of the chain and not a shitty torrent site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time&#8221;</p>
<p>what a joke, why ruin regular music lovers lives. if they are gonna go for someone shouldnt they start at the really top of the chain and not a shitty torrent site?</p>
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		<title>By: NilThree</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/british-police-confirm-oink-arrests-080602/#comment-405468</link>
		<dc:creator>NilThree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a british taxpayer, I would be fucking pissed about this waste of money.</description>
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