Comments on: CacheLogic and BitTorrent Introduce Cache Discovery Protocol http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:33:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Andreas http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-276298 Andreas Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:17:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-276298 Essentially this means that data will be distributed in a similar fashion as it is with Usenet. They haven't shut down Usenet so why wouldn't ISPs offer BT caches? Essentially this means that data will be distributed in a similar fashion as it is with Usenet. They haven’t shut down Usenet so why wouldn’t ISPs offer BT caches?

]]> By: dollars &sense http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-211566 dollars &sense Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-211566 Look the reason why ISP's put up with bt traffic is my fricking money! If they don't want people who use bt to use their services all they have to do is block it and we will go to the next game in town that will let bt user use bt...simple. Let me tell you about the power of 1. if i have 1 million people giving me 1 dollar a month every month how much do i have? Now that's why the throttle instead of block and that's why their greedy little asses will never stop letting bt traffic on their networks. end of story Look the reason why ISP’s put up with bt traffic is my fricking money! If they don’t want people who use bt to use their services all they have to do is block it and we will go to the next game in town that will let bt user use bt…simple. Let me tell you about the power of 1. if i have 1 million people giving me 1 dollar a month every month how much do i have? Now that’s why the throttle instead of block and that’s why their greedy little asses will never stop letting bt traffic on their networks. end of story

]]> By: Bouillon project » Blog Archive » How hard will P2P hit backbones? http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-10340 Bouillon project » Blog Archive » How hard will P2P hit backbones? Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:28:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-10340 [...] Here are some recent news: BitTorrent developers are introducing caching functionality to resolve tensions with leading ISPs whose pipes are cluttered with BT (30-60% of traffic according to Bram Cohen). Some ISPs throttled BT, BT answered with encryption to prevent detection. What if P2P BitTorrent-like traffic will become more and more prevalent? Freaks apart, what if most of casual users will be intensively consuming podcasting/vlogging/other multimedia distributed via P2P? WWW traffic could be aggregated well (e.g. 1000*10Mbit=100Mbit), because users don’t browse synchronously. A P2P client may stream instantly, 24×7. This way, aggregation is not possible. Deploying backbones capable of serving all the bandwidth sold is likely to be too expensive. [...] [...] Here are some recent news: BitTorrent developers are introducing caching functionality to resolve tensions with leading ISPs whose pipes are cluttered with BT (30-60% of traffic according to Bram Cohen). Some ISPs throttled BT, BT answered with encryption to prevent detection. What if P2P BitTorrent-like traffic will become more and more prevalent? Freaks apart, what if most of casual users will be intensively consuming podcasting/vlogging/other multimedia distributed via P2P? WWW traffic could be aggregated well (e.g. 1000*10Mbit=100Mbit), because users don’t browse synchronously. A P2P client may stream instantly, 24×7. This way, aggregation is not possible. Deploying backbones capable of serving all the bandwidth sold is likely to be too expensive. [...]

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]]> By: Binary http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9437 Binary Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:49:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9437 [quote comment="9434"]P2P isn't used to transfer legal content, its used to transfer copyrighted material to avoid having to pay for it. For movies, music, applications and video games. Trying to come up with a nice system for downloading legal content is a great idea but it ignores that the content being traded is almost entirely illegal to begin with.[/quote] Do you have factual proof of this? Or is this your own opinion of what you typically use your BT client for? Any technology can be used for good or bad. Cell phones are used by drug dealers because they're harder to track than a land line... lets make those illegal. No, that would be silly. So is your argument. There are tens of thousands of legit torrents available - and it allows content providers to spend their money on making quality content - not paying for bandwidth. Grow up. [quote comment="9434"]P2P isn’t used to transfer legal content, its used to transfer copyrighted material to avoid having to pay for it. For movies, music, applications and video games. Trying to come up with a nice system for downloading legal content is a great idea but it ignores that the content being traded is almost entirely illegal to begin with.[/quote]

Do you have factual proof of this? Or is this your own opinion of what you typically use your BT client for?

Any technology can be used for good or bad. Cell phones are used by drug dealers because they’re harder to track than a land line… lets make those illegal. No, that would be silly.

So is your argument. There are tens of thousands of legit torrents available – and it allows content providers to spend their money on making quality content – not paying for bandwidth.

Grow up.

]]> By: Binary http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9436 Binary Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:43:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9436 [quote comment="9425"] All you need to do is figure a 4GB ISO download is equivilent traffic to about 100,000 emails and web pages and you can see how easily this happened.[/quote] So blame open source software for creating linux distributions... that are 4GB in size. No, that wouldn't be right. Look - torrents are here to stay. They are just as legit as web or email traffic. ISP's figured out running internal mirrors for sourceforge, Tucows, and others was much cheaper than kicking their users to their peer connections. Do the same for bittorrents - and you'll have happy users and cheaper bandwidth bills. [quote comment="9425"]
All you need to do is figure a 4GB ISO download is equivilent traffic to about 100,000 emails and web pages and you can see how easily this happened.[/quote]

So blame open source software for creating linux distributions… that are 4GB in size. No, that wouldn’t be right. Look – torrents are here to stay. They are just as legit as web or email traffic. ISP’s figured out running internal mirrors for sourceforge, Tucows, and others was much cheaper than kicking their users to their peer connections. Do the same for bittorrents – and you’ll have happy users and cheaper bandwidth bills.

]]> By: Ditto Much http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9434 Ditto Much Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:21:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9434 P2P isn't used to transfer legal content, its used to transfer copyrighted material to avoid having to pay for it. For movies, music, applications and video games. Trying to come up with a nice system for downloading legal content is a great idea but it ignores that the content being traded is almost entirely illegal to begin with. P2P isn’t used to transfer legal content, its used to transfer copyrighted material to avoid having to pay for it. For movies, music, applications and video games. Trying to come up with a nice system for downloading legal content is a great idea but it ignores that the content being traded is almost entirely illegal to begin with.

]]> By: Goldenpi http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9431 Goldenpi Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:12:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9431 How does this distinguish legal from infringing content? If it doesn't, no ISP will touch it - not with the MPAA sending threatening glances in their direction. But if it does, then there will have to be some type of trusted authority (ie, CacheLogic). Which means there will be burocracy and fees to pay for anyone who wants to take advantage of the cache, to have their content certified and signed as non-infringing. That achieves nothing. The majority of the traffic will still be unsigned - not just the illegal, but the small and non-profit projects that cant afford the time or money for certification. Its a perfect guilty-until-proven-innocent system. And if you want to prove your innocence, you have to pay for it. How does this distinguish legal from infringing content? If it doesn’t, no ISP will touch it – not with the MPAA sending threatening glances in their direction. But if it does, then there will have to be some type of trusted authority (ie, CacheLogic). Which means there will be burocracy and fees to pay for anyone who wants to take advantage of the cache, to have their content certified and signed as non-infringing.

That achieves nothing. The majority of the traffic will still be unsigned – not just the illegal, but the small and non-profit projects that cant afford the time or money for certification.

Its a perfect guilty-until-proven-innocent system. And if you want to prove your innocence, you have to pay for it.

]]> By: Heliologue http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9426 Heliologue Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:53:07 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9426 I'd feel bad for ISPs if the major telcos hadn't been promising us the moon for the last decade. If they had carried through on their promises (and on the millions given to them by the government), we'd all have fibre to the curb and more capacity than even bittorrent could fill. I’d feel bad for ISPs if the major telcos hadn’t been promising us the moon for the last decade. If they had carried through on their promises (and on the millions given to them by the government), we’d all have fibre to the curb and more capacity than even bittorrent could fill.

]]> By: Seth Brundle http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9425 Seth Brundle Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:27:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9425 Oh, the problem exists there is no doubt. My friend owns one of the largest regional ISPs in California and his bandwidth went through the roof with P2P traffic. All you need to do is figure a 4GB ISO download is equivilent traffic to about 100,000 emails and web pages and you can see how easily this happened. Oh, the problem exists there is no doubt. My friend owns one of the largest regional ISPs in California and his bandwidth went through the roof with P2P traffic.

All you need to do is figure a 4GB ISO download is equivilent traffic to about 100,000 emails and web pages and you can see how easily this happened.

]]> By: Greg http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9421 Greg Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:01:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9421 Legal content right now includes a great many small production company releases including but not limited to Star Trek spin offs and anime of all kinds, not to mention viral videos and a great many garage band albums. This cache idea is great and I for one would love to see it implemented. As for pirates, well lets put it this way, since someone had something someone else wanted there have been thieves and liars. Legal content right now includes a great many small production company releases including but not limited to Star Trek spin offs and anime of all kinds, not to mention viral videos and a great many garage band albums.
This cache idea is great and I for one would love to see it implemented. As for pirates, well lets put it this way, since someone had something someone else wanted there have been thieves and liars.

]]> By: irc-junkie.net : Caching in on BitTorrent http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9409 irc-junkie.net : Caching in on BitTorrent Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:23:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9409 [...] Read the article on Torrent Freak. [...] [...] Read the article on Torrent Freak. [...]

]]> By: momo http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9407 momo Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9407 Dan: ISPs are carriers. It is not their place to cry foul when clients actually utilise the stated capacity of their service, or utilise a greater-than-historical proportion. It is certainly not their place to make merit judgments as to the communications on networks. It is almost bizarre to think that employees like you feel justified in throttling users for the sole reason that they are using a greater proportion of capacity than you have historically seen. Unfortunately for you, that trend is inexorable and it an unavoidable reality that contention ratios practiced and acceptable when dial-up was predominant are no longer acceptable. Dan:

ISPs are carriers. It is not their place to cry foul when clients actually utilise the stated capacity of their service, or utilise a greater-than-historical proportion. It is certainly not their place to make merit judgments as to the communications on networks.

It is almost bizarre to think that employees like you feel justified in throttling users for the sole reason that they are using a greater proportion of capacity than you have historically seen. Unfortunately for you, that trend is inexorable and it an unavoidable reality that contention ratios practiced and acceptable when dial-up was predominant are no longer acceptable.

]]> By: memals http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9387 memals Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:49:05 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9387 just wait until the major movie label offer downloads via BT, thats the "legal" killer app just wait until the major movie label offer downloads via BT, thats the “legal” killer app

]]> By: Dan http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9374 Dan Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:32:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9374 bah... i work for a major .au ISP and i would argue that the users use their "favourite applications" for sharing ILLEGAL software - hence it probably won't catch on with any ISP, UNLESS someone creates a new 'killer service' to satisfy this great new isp-based p2p seeding capability. I can say right now that all that is needed for ISPs to provide GREAT service levels to customers for LEGITIMATE application use (web2.0 + video stuff, etc), is to simply throttle back the amount of illegal file trading activities - which is what we're doing! It seems to me that this technology is simply providing a solution to a problem that doesn't quite exist yet. bah… i work for a major .au ISP and i would argue that the users use their “favourite applications” for sharing ILLEGAL software – hence it probably won’t catch on with any ISP, UNLESS someone creates a new ‘killer service’ to satisfy this great new isp-based p2p seeding capability.

I can say right now that all that is needed for ISPs to provide GREAT service levels to customers for LEGITIMATE application use (web2.0 + video stuff, etc), is to simply throttle back the amount of illegal file trading activities – which is what we’re doing!

It seems to me that this technology is simply providing a solution to a problem that doesn’t quite exist yet.

]]> By: Pagan0ne http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9367 Pagan0ne Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:03:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9367 well for one isp's surely wont allow downloading of copyrighted material, even if you own the orignal copy, for two, theres the real chance that when they cache your download of windows vista beta 4 that they will turn you into MS for a hefty price. so i doubt this will become popular with legit mainline users OR illegal users as the potential for misuse of the information the isp now can gather is too great, i still think encryption is the way to go, or maby implement an encrypted cache so the isp doesnt know/care what is being cached solong as it remains internal so its on the cheeper pipes? well for one isp’s surely wont allow downloading of copyrighted material, even if you own the orignal copy, for two, theres the real chance that when they cache your download of windows vista beta 4 that they will turn you into MS for a hefty price. so i doubt this will become popular with legit mainline users OR illegal users as the potential for misuse of the information the isp now can gather is too great, i still think encryption is the way to go, or maby implement an encrypted cache so the isp doesnt know/care what is being cached solong as it remains internal so its on the cheeper pipes?

]]> By: Saoshyant http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9365 Saoshyant Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:52:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/cachelogic-and-bittorrent-introduce-cache-discovery-protocol/#comment-9365 Sigh. Here goes more forking between Mainline (the official BT client) and Azureus. Not to mention, we have no idea if ISPs will be forced or willing to provide information on who downloads what from their caches to the authorities. Sigh. Here goes more forking between Mainline (the official BT client) and Azureus.

Not to mention, we have no idea if ISPs will be forced or willing to provide information on who downloads what from their caches to the authorities.

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