Canadian Politician Starts Movie Torrent Site

Anon

The dumb kid will look great hanging on a cross.
Stand by. lol

Anonymous

You will look great hanging on a cross.
Stand by.lol

(notice something?)
Anonymous

going by the number of shill posts in this thread, this kid seems to have hollywood quite worried

they don’t usually spam a story so desperately, so what exactly about McCrea’s model is so threatening?
- Guest123
  
  Wow, 9 likes in 1 hour on a thread with over 60 posts. Very impressive. I think I’ll give you another +1 just for that feat.
  
  If I had to speak for myself, I’d say that the kid seems kinda dishonest. He loses an election and posts a torrent site a few months later. In addition, he goes out of his way to try and make it not seem like a piracy site, even while all but advertising that it is. Also, he does this while veiling it in generic rhetoric. It seems pointless. He’s not starting a debate, and he’s not appealing to intellectual points, he’s just trying to shake up his base while advertising that’s he openly skirting the law, while still trying to avoid the consequences of doing so. He seems like just another guy seeking attention, being dishonest, and offering shallow justifications for his actions that don’t speak to any moral superiority that his cause could possibly lay claim to.
  
  In short, he seems like a prick intent on setting back debate in favor of promoting himself. That’s what pisses me off.
  
  By the way, great way to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is an employee paid to post here. Real good way to avoid having to make an actual point.
  - Guest123
    
    Also, this article didn’t attract the intellectual elite of the filesharers. Quite a few of the short bussers decided to start writing, and it looks like some of my fellow anti-pirates aren’t going to let them be. That may be another reason.
  - Anon
    
    How is he being dishonest is he’s being up front about what he’s doing and why? Your post doesn’t make much sense.
  - jeffer
    
    It is effective, and can be very effective when done by many on a global scale. Ultimately it could separate copyright from the law just like religion has been for some time, and leave it to the individual to chose whatever copyright doctrine he likes or none at all.
    
    This is what the Protestants did to the monolithic Catholic Church. in spite of thousands of Protestants burned alive. The burnings just gave the Protestants reason to issue Letters of Marquee and Reprisal and mobilize armies and war fleets.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    Actually, I know him personally, and he’s a really good guy. He’s not doing this for profit, or self-promotion. He’s doing it to prove a point and to advance the ideals he believes in. If you don’t have the same ideals as Travis, then I won’t fault you for that. Believe whatever you want to believe, and feel whatever you want to feel, and I’ll support your right to do just that. But don’t try to defame something you don’t understand without making an effort to learn about his causes or the man who stands behind them.
    
    Anyone can say whatever they like about Travis McCrea, but I will tell you one thing, he’s a man who stands behind what he believes so strongly that he’s willing to make a move like this, putting himself in jeopardy of lawsuits and possibly losing everything he has, in order to try to advance a cause he believes in. Regardless of what those beliefs and causes are (we all have our own thoughts, beliefs, and opinions) a man who risks so much to stand up for the cause he believes in is a true patriot.
  - Guest123
    
    Well, if you look 2 posts down, you’ll see him relying on the old “I don’t agree with you so you must be getting paid to post here” argument. Forgive me if I don’t trust you just because you claim he’s a good guy.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    I’m not all that concerned with whether you believe me or not. Debating is rarely a tool for actually changing opinions. People usually just become even more entrenched and protective of their views than they were to begin with. I simply wanted to set the record straight from the prospective of someone who actually knows the character of the man we’re all discussing, as we’re friends and I’ve even worked with him a bit. Whether you believe me or not is up to you, but not my concern.
  - Guest123
    
    Fair enough. If it means anything, you seem decent, but I still don’t trust your friend. Given, I don’t trust anyone who makes a publicity stunt while trying to become a politician.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    That also seems fair enough. I share your general distrust of politicians. I have to say that if I didn’t know him personally I would be suspicious as well. For what it’s worth though, I believe his heart and his intentions are in the right place. That’s more than I can say for most politicians.
    
    For a bit of comparison, I really like this guy as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq1zpHF0J04
- Notnaive
  
  What model? Using the content of those you are trying to discredit in order to get traffic to your site? Is that a credible model? Or pandering to those that simply want stuff for free, but won’t settle for creative commons content because most of it sucks since it has little financial resources to draw from? I guess you are referring to an unsustainable model of total hippocracy and douchebaggery? That model? Ya real scary. More stupid than scary, since creative commons DOES EXIST, leaving ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO WANT COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS FOR FREE. You want free? Ask a filmmaker to release their work under a creative commons license. Or better het, create your own WATCHABLE film and release it under such a license.
  - Travis McCrea
    
    What I am really interested in, is how much you make posting on here (and presumably other places on the web)?
    
    It seems like a good job to me, do a little copy and paste here and there.. play on the emotions of people by talking about how your family is going to starve because this website introduces people to movies they might not have watched before and encourages them to buy it.
    
    A little CAPS action here and there… I think I can do it. :)
- Notnaive
  
  What model? Using the content of those you are trying to discredit in order to get traffic to your site? Is that a credible model? Or pandering to those that simply want stuff for free, but won’t settle for creative commons content because most of it sucks since it has little financial resources to draw from? I guess you are referring to an unsustainable model of total hippocracy and douchebaggery? That model? Ya real scary. More stupid than scary, since creative commons DOES EXIST, leaving ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO WANT COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS FOR FREE. You want free? Ask a filmmaker to release their work under a creative commons license. Or better het, create your own WATCHABLE film and release it under such a license.

Cid

Oh come on, at least get someone looking a little more competent. He has no chance what-so-ever.

Anonymous

He does.

Phil Landry

There is an Option to buy the movie with amazon lol!
Pirate Party in Canada had 10 or 11 candidates for all 308 ridings. They didn’t even get 1% of the popular vote… NDP has a good ideology concerning IP and file-sharing. (At least they have a change to govern)

CHRoNoSS

WHY THIS PIRATE PARTY FAILED
I’m not only one that had issues.
hi this is the president of the united hacker association and i was an early supporter up too the point of the following:
A) a new leader guy took over that had admitted friends in hollywood , the cbc ( a federally run agency regardless fo what anyone says )
B) the sudden shift to absolutely rely on these people that failed in sweden to prevent anything….
C) for 4 days they actually went anti p2p by stating clearly they did not accept that non commercial file sharing was part of there mandate.
BTW after being banned kicked out and what not and this 4 day post on my website they quickly most have had a lot a action happen cause hte got hold a me and cried for me to take my post down.
ITS like michael geist a lawyer KEYWORD LAWYER running that fair copyright for canada movement…as he stated privately we cant seem to be infringers.
WHAT…is limited time to make a profit 50 years give me a god damn break.
Elizabeth may has it and ten years max if you lazy sheep hearding labels and artists cant make a buck in ten years ya dont deserve to be doing anyhitng but serving mac donalds a food that never rots….but will stink.
D) accused me of hacking a IRC chat i HAD REGISTERED YOU DIPSHITS
thus when they went anti p2p i went in and cleared them all out of it. SOME HACK EH GUYS….its called chan serve and i’ll add that above all else showed me how technically inept these persons where and when it mattered where were they in any of the debates I BRING this up and the whole lot of em run off again.

AND when i “threatened” to start my own party…what happens Elizabeth May comes calling ….makes a nice lil video and spells it out plain a day a policy that is not only fair but goes well beyond anything these bunch a nit wits would could ever accomplish.

LIKE YA don’t piss off someone whom has international contacts that LIVES in your own god damn country , whose been part of that “scene” , isn’t a script kiddy hacker and knows enough law to know what the hell he is talking about. IT was me that broke the OMG a music tune could get you 7 years in jail if ya cant pay a fine

IT was me that went every where spamming about BCE’s IPTV ( a 25 megabit unlimited 7500GB account) for 9.99 while hte rest of us would pay over 2000$ for a home 25 megabit unlimited. LIKE people if you want to really make a difference POST EVERYWHERE. and make friends and be p2p friendly

PUSH NON COMMERCIAL FILESHARING as marketing to those that can afford it.

IVE yet to meet a real human face to face that can out debate me on the topic and if anyone wants to seriously ill get hold of you or vice versa i DONT HIDE.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  I don’t hide either. :)
  
  I’m not sure what the point of all this is? Travis has just recently joined the Canadian Pirate Party. Before that he was involved with the USPP. So, I don’t think he had anything to do with any of the stuff you’re ranting about.

Dumb Candy Ass

Another dumbfuck. he will be a lamb to the slaughter

Anonymous

His actions may seem foolish but at least he stands by his beliefs. Not only politically active but also taking a stand against a seemingly unjust law.

Well if the DHS/DoJ do end up jailing him then I would say that he would become our first “political prisoner”

Clearly he is looking for a fight. A brave thing to do. Well if we do seek law changes then we do indeed need more “idiots” like him.

He would look passable after an haircut.
- Tidaltree
  
  If all active Filesharers would stand up together with him, it’s not so brave anymore, as the number of people itself would be enough for an undisputable and mighty democratic argument. Good you guys got the patriot act up and running to prevent any democratic search for consensus in it’s beginnigns, isn’t it?

Guest

“The dumb kid will look great hanging on a cross.
Stand by. lol”

Oh look who is dumb!

The corporate parasites believe that they can continue to rand-shake the place and continue to rip off everyone and everything for their wrong enrichment.

But in reality they are all going to be killed

When people are dumb and fool they don’t understand until they die.

Bullets are shipper than lawyers There is no peace without justice.

Did I mention that most of these entertainment industry parasites are also pederasts?

http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

What?
WOW

im no corporate and im stuill callin him a retard….ICE DONT give a shit ive known for 12 years now ya dont host anything in the USA , hacker or pirate and that also goes fo raustralia , britain…ya know real pirates know i’m not here to educate those that should stick to JUST pirating….

Guest

Ignore all these posts: Anon, Phil Landry , Dumb Candy Ass made by one corporate parasite pay troll. They do not represent a true opinion by the public.

Hey troll! your effort is futile anyone can see true it .Tell you boss that they are all going to be killed or don’t. The result will be the same. In both case the infestation will end.

Phil Landry

Come on. I’m just telling that canadian pirate party has 0 chance to govern. The Canadian political system is made that only 2 or 3 big parties have a chance to govern. Maybe one day they will have attention, but I doubt it since Canadian media are all owed by a few guys, which generally own phone companies, ISP, video clubs, etc.
- gae
  
  The problem is that although they may have great ideas on how to handle copyright issues, the chances are they lack the ability to run an entire country and all the responsibilitys that come with it – so that is why the major partys always get most of the votes.
  A vote for a minority party is at best nothing but a protest vote, but if enough people protest, eventually somebody at the top will notice.
- gae
  
  The problem is that although they may have great ideas on how to handle copyright issues, the chances are they lack the ability to run an entire country and all the responsibilitys that come with it – so that is why the major partys always get most of the votes.
  A vote for a minority party is at best nothing but a protest vote, but if enough people protest, eventually somebody at the top will notice.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  A great point. No matter what sort of difference you want to make, if you’re not among the rich and elite when it comes to modern government, you usually don’t get to be a part of the club. It’s a broken system, and that’s why I think my friend Travis has decided to move onto more direct means to make a real difference.
Anonymous

This guy in the article has a point, a very strong one. And he isn’t scared to hide the fact that he is basically saying “fuck this” to the copyright trolls.

All it takes is one person to stand up and shove the middle finger…

Semi-off-topic:
Lately on every site i visit that covers sensitive issues… it always seems like there are pay-trolls everywhere! I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half of these stupid comments are posted from the same script made by the maffia’s goons that we see all over the net.

TheMikkiFish

Good for you Travis! Downloading NOW!

Anoniwizer

Lol he looks like someone who is still sucking on momma’s milk. He won’t last long that’s for sure.

Anonymous

Why does it matter what somebody looks like? It is irrelevant… but hey i guess thats what your pay-troll script is telling you to post isn’t it.
- gae
  
  The best argument you can come up with against him is to throw out insults?
  - AnonsSuckTheBigOne
    
    Were you aiming that comment at bsdnerd or Anoniwizer?
  - gae
    
    Sorry it was @ Anoniwizer. misclicked :)
  - Notnaive
    
    No, the best arguments against him are within my posts. But you would actually have to know something about making good films to understand. I’m not a troll. Simply a person who’s ACTUAL HANDS-ON experience making films affords me this knowledge. But you don’t have to listen to me. Just ask almost ANY other film professional involved with making GOOD films that people actually watch, which require funding, and that funding comes from SALES. Not the ad revenue from a torrent site. Which DOES NOT IN ANY WAY support the films.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain

He’s tougher than you realize. He doesn’t stand behind a fake moniker to make his points, he takes responsibility for his words and actions. ;)

cutcopypaste

Haha most misleading title ever.. is it that easy to be a politician?

Anon

Yeah, I thought “politician” was just silly. That kid’s no politician. He’s 21, he still lives in his Mom’s house and uses a broadband connection she pays for to be a Pirate Party member. (chuckle) Hilarious and why the Pirate Party means nothing now and will mean nothing 50 years from now.
- AnonsSuckTheBigOne
  
  He ran for office, which makes him a partial politician. Also, how do you know he lives with his mother and uses her broadband connection? There are plenty of 21 year olds who DO NOT live with their parents. It’s just as likely he lives on his own or with a roommate or something. And even if he did live at home, what does that matter? His living situation has no bearing on his actions or the person he is. It’s completely irrelevant. He’s striving to make a chance. By trying to get elected to office where he might be able to make the changes that he and others want.
  
  What’s hilarious is that people like you attempt to discredit people you know nothing about by resorting to hurling insults (in any way shape or form). All while attempting to come off as the “better” people. So because someone challenges your points of views and questions you or does something that you don’t approve of, you get upset and insult them or discredit them. That’s a very mature attitude. /s This guy might be 21 but he’s acting like more of an adult than you are. And he stands by his principles, which is an admirable thing. Even if you don’t agree with his principles.
  
  But yeah, go on with your bad self laughing at him. You fail to see that the real joke here is YOU.
  - Anon
    
    When the Pirate Party agenda attract’s respectable acknowledgement from the masses and the percentages that go with a respectable agenda, they’ll also get the proper respect from me.
    
    But while they run on “digital sovereignty” that breaks the law and compels online law enforcement and claim about 1% after falling for the past 2 or 3 years, we all see very clearly who the joke is on. Keep entertaining us.
  - AnonsSuckTheBigOne
    
    @ Anon
    
    Please. I just looked at your comment history to see where you stand on the issues (after reading your comments on this article). If the numbers were entirely against you and the vast majority of people supported the Pirate Party, you still wouldn’t show them respect. You’d still call everyone a thief/criminal/etc. That much is obvious.
    
    And sorry to say, but what does the Pirate Party and their agenda, or any of what you just said, have anything to do with my original comment? Which was why are you insulting someone you know nothing about? Again, the joke here is you. So yeah, way to not be on topic even in reply to what I said, much less the actual “meat” of the article.
    
    You laugh at the 21 year old, I laugh at you (the guy who acts like he’s 5 by saying someone lives at home, when you have no proof of that). Keep talking. You’re good for a laugh.
  - http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea
    
    I have been living on my own sense the age of 18, I do very well for myself actually. I am the owner of Angry Parrot Communications ( http://angryparrot.ca ), and I am very active within my community.
    
    This picture is an older picture which I have been trying to phase out in favour of some of my more current ones.
    
    Here are some of my stances as presented in one of the debates I participated in (I participated in every debate that allowed me, and I also attended the ones I could not take part in… only one other candidate was able to do that).
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v?=UDGrAuz_-1o&t=9m42s (opening)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v?=eI2uVlKJvbE&t=8m19s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v?=JBqi-BVVsAg&t=1m56s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v?=dCzKhCiGU3Y&t=7m50s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=Q_KolnfbrCE&t=1m48s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=dCzKhCiGU3Y&t=1m43s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=eI2uVlKJvbE&t=6m5s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=JN874Mmik0I&t=8m23s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=JN874Mmik0I&t=6m56s
    http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=uLb1EIIVAbo&t=0m45s (closing)
    
    If you are just going to watch one of my videos… watch the very last one :)
    
    A few pictures I like a little more:
    http://travismccrea.com/images/nicevest.jpg
    http://travismccrea.com/images/nicesuit.jpg
    and http://travismccrea.com/images/nicesuit.jpg
    
    Sure, I have long hair. While I don’t HAVE to explain myself, I will; I donate my hair to Locks of Love for children who have cancer or other ailments which cause them to lose their hair. I grow it out until it is long enough, and then I get it cut.
    
    Also for the record, this was not authorized by the Pirate Party of Canada nor the campaign to elect Travis McCrea OR any future campaigns to elect me.
    
    It just so happens that I am a Canadian politician, and that I am running for the Pirate Party.
    
    If anyone wants to contact me about anything they can feel free to send me a message to me(at)travismccrea.com
- Guest255
  
  “He’s 21, he still lives in his Mom’s house”
  
  …Projecting much?
  - WOW
    
    “Also for the record, this was not authorized by the Pirate Party of Canada nor the campaign to elect Travis McCrea OR any future campaigns to elect me.
    
    It just so happens that I am a Canadian politician, and that I am running for the Pirate Party. ”
    
    YOU guys need to get some balls….NO ONE with 1 brain cells hosts openly in the usa….its against the law the what and how and why your doing it. Better hope harpoid don’t extradite ya for being the worlds dumbest pirate kid. JESUS ya made all Canada look like a bunch a retards today thanks. truth is man your never going to get elected , you could of at least hosted it in Canada and done the smart legal move got a .org from a registrant in Ontario and then ICE would be furious ….cause its your property and htey cant do shit till you get served a warrant…..hollywood to day is laughing as it now will make all of us feel pain cause of you dumb move.
    AND yes htere are torrent sites in canada and you might well as just aided in screwing EVERYONE.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  Actually, Travis’ mother lives back in the US. In an entirely different country. Because Travis is a native US citizen. With dual citizenship in Canada after he moved there.
  
  You don’t know him, and yet you lob generic insults to make him look bad. I do know him, so I’m setting the record straight. So, do you have a better argument, or is that pretty much it?
TheMikkiFish

“Canadian Politician Starts Movie Torrent Site”. Yeah, very misleading. (insert sarcasm here).I’ll need a minute to figure out WHY this is “misleading”. wtf??

Anonymous

O Yeah!! Hope this survives :/

Markus

As a fellow supporter of the Canadian pirate party, congrats on the launch of TorMovies Travis.

http://twitter.com/K1rkpad Dylan Kirkpatrick

Man, you guys are bloody idiots. Being a politician doesn’t mean you need to be elected. Just plain idiots.

Farkwad

Technically, you’re correct. A politician could also be a dictator.

Realistically though, a politician is someone who holds power to change or influence public and governmental policy, and holds that power as a result of it either being given by or taken from the people. He doesn’t fulfill that criteria, so he’s not a politician.

Troll away!!!
- Travis McCrea
  
  noun?/?päl??tiSH?n/?
  politicians, plural
  
  A person who is professionally involved in politics, esp. as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office
  - Farkwad
    
    In a very technical sense I suppose. I prefer to limit it to the classical definition, which only includes those who have power, not just those who seek it, but in this instance, the definition troll must admit defeat.
WOW

so losing means what i know charlie sheen is your man “i am winning”
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  Whether you are successfully elected or not has no bearing on if you are considered a politician. Travis ran for public office, and is therefore a politician by definition.
  
  I run a small business. Whether my business does well or not, I am still by definition a business owner. Success is not a prerequisite for conferral of the title.
  
  If you want to argue whether he’s been a successful politician or not thus far, then debate away. But the article simply describes him as a politician. He has held an officer position in the United States Pirate Party, and has ran for public office in Canada. By definition, he is a politician.

Wow

HOSTING IN THE USA IS RETARDED
AT LEAST HOST IT IN CANADA

Anonymous

That’s the point. He’s actually challenging ICE to a game of seize-the-domain :’)
- WOW
  
  challenging to what FOLLOW there own laws LOL THIS IS why no one will vote for you igits…..damn i feel like starting hte real pirate party and actually host a torrent site right in my house on a domain i own that is in ontario aka protected under new rulings and linking laws per supreme court a canada , na lets go host in the usa and get boned up there arse ROFL even when they try and do a right move its totally done the wrong way
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    The point of the site goes beyond simply trying to run a successful torrent search site. This seems to have escaped your understanding…

WOW

OH and this is the first member of the pirate party to really show he’s for filesharing the rest of em gave me a war about it and i labelled em for a week anti p2p

pZ

host in .us host in .us, the only place outside .us jurisdiction is GITMO… and GITMO bulletproof hosting available?

Anscii0

http://sceper.eu/ Dowwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn by ICE Homeland Security Investigation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

h4x0r3d. check the source. or newsbits.

True North ,Strong and Free

WOW! i didnt even know my country had a Pirate Party!
Just too bad its was on the west coast and not listed on the
on the ballot in our last federal election, at least i would have
someone to vote for…..
As for his “torrent site” its just an indexing site like alot of
of others except for 1 thing, they are legal in Canada!!!!
So to the CRIA (canada`s version of MPAA et. al.)
,,|,, (-__-) ,,|,,
IN YOUR FACE!!

TheMikkiFish

Hey True North! http://www.pirateparty.ca/ We had a candidate in Ottawa in the last election. Hola’!!
- True North ,Strong and Free
  
  ty for link, ,will now be a card carrying member!
WOW

DUMMY HES HOSTING IT IN USA
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  With backup servers planned for *Canada* and Sweden, among others. This is more just Travis challenging the government and laws which he does not agree with. He realizes the US servers will not work for long, there is a contingency plan.

Friend of the People

“I have full intentions on not backing down and making it clear that my site is not a tool for piracy, it is a tool for discovering movies and sharing culture.”

Why doesn’t he just call it piracy and get it over with? I’m not joking, that’s a serious question. There’s a certain honesty to just saying “I think piracy is good for society, and I’m making a site that supports it”, but blantely lying about the purpose of the site is just dishonest. I mean, you go to the site, and the very first thing shown is the “most shared” list, which of course contains movies that are less than a year old. We all know the purpose of the site; no one is fooled, so why lie about it? Be honest about your beliefs.

Also, if you put in .com instead of .org, you get a hardcore porn site. I know this because the first thing google goes to when you put in tormovies is the porn site. Epic Fucking Fail.

True North ,Strong and Free

think your the “Epic Fucking Fail” only a nub like you would NOT READ the article an get that was .ORG and not .COM ,and IF you read my post you would KNOW that what he is doing is perfectly LEGAL in the eyes of canadian LAW , so it doesnt matter what he says, he could even come out and say YES! i link to pirated materal and i believe in FREE FOR ALL TO SHARE FROM MY SITE!!!
- Friend of the People
  
  A: I know that’s it’s .org. I decided to google it to see what came up, and lo and behold, it was porn. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re trying to make a statement about something and a google search brings curious viewers straight to porn, that’s a fail.
  
  Secondly, he’s hosting it in the U.S. It says so right in the article. It’s not legal there. If he’s hosting it in the U.S., then Canadian law won’t be a factor in whether or not the site is taken down.
  
  Third, you’re perfectly right that he could come out and say it, but you failed to answer my question; I asked, why doesn’t he? If he can tell the truth, why doesn’t he? Can you please answer the question I asked instead of answering a question that no one asked.
  
  And finally, please, please, go to this website. http://www.grammarbook.com/ It will cost a few bucks, but the benefits will help you for the rest of your life. You’ll be able to graduate middle school, proceed to take a test for a G.E.D., and eventually maybe even write a comprehensible resume detailing your future experience with Burger King. The benefits to you will be endless.
  
  With all that out of the way, I’d like to ask you a question; what do you think the benefits to society will be from making a site like this one, where culture is avalivable for free and no money at all goes to the creators (I notice no donation button or anything else that could possibly provide money)? What benefits will there be if these websites and others like them become the primary model of distribution?
  
  More importantly, what downsides do you see from such a system?
- WOW
  
  supreme court ruled that linking to infringing material was up to the person visiting the link so affectively torrent sites are legal , MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER YOUR DOMAINS in ontario as we had a neat ruling that will make said domains property and host it here and ICE cant harm you , in fact they cant even terminate your hosting of said domain as long as you pay and aren’t a terrorism school like thing,,,, that’s only way they get you atm. WHAT this idiot has done hes done toasted and gets no sympathy cause he don’t even have a clue what the law is
- WOW
  
  supreme court ruled that linking to infringing material was up to the person visiting the link so affectively torrent sites are legal , MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER YOUR DOMAINS in ontario as we had a neat ruling that will make said domains property and host it here and ICE cant harm you , in fact they cant even terminate your hosting of said domain as long as you pay and aren’t a terrorism school like thing,,,, that’s only way they get you atm. WHAT this idiot has done hes done toasted and gets no sympathy cause he don’t even have a clue what the law is
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    Actually, he does have a clue what the law is. The point is not to try to skirt around the law, but to challenge it head-on. Also, if you read the article, it acknowledges that the US servers are not likely to last long, and that backup servers will be hosted around the globe.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain

If you don’t really know what Travis stands for, then I can understand the confusion. The point is that file-sharing is not just a tool for piracy. There are plenty of markets that successfully utilize “try before you buy” marketing, and that is basically what this is. While some people may indeed misuse it, that doesn’t mean everyone should suffer as a result. If someone stabs a man to death with a fork, should we outlaw forks as a dangerous weapon?

Also, there is research which supports that many of the so called “pirates” are also some of the biggest *purchasers* of the same content they are “stealing.” So, the people these corporations and associations want to persecute are also in many cases some of their best customers. http://torrentfreak.com/former-google-cio-limewire-pirates-were-itunes-best-customers-110726/ (only one such example of this article, coverage can be found on plenty of other sites as well) The point is that a few people “stealing” content is not the problem, the problem is that an industry has used their influence to change laws in favor of keeping their dying business model afloat, while in the process taking away a lot of our online freedoms, and even getting government agencies like FBI and ICE involved in hunting down kids who download or share a few songs or movies. Is it really ok that the FBI or ICE is treated like a corporation’s personal police force? Perhaps if they adapted their business model to support a “try before you buy” approach, rather than spend all their money (and taxpayer’s money) fighting it, they could embrace this change and profit from it, rather than let it be the death of their industry.

The laws currently in place are draconian and needlessly overbearing. Knowing Travis, this is his way of getting people to talk about this cause, the shock value of just what he is doing and the risk he is taking is enough to get it talked about, and by extension to get these facts in front of people.
- Friend of the People
  
  I’ll give you that after more research, Travis seems ok, but I have a few problems with this. I’ve addressed the research claim you talk about, so I’ll deal with the other ones here.
  
  The first point to make is that while filesharing is not always a tool for piracy, few people object to its legitimate uses. No one would complain if an artist chose to release their music on filesharing sites; the problem comes when the music of an artist who did not make that choice is posted on filesharing sites. Outlawing filesharing sites should not be allowed, but the existence of legitimate uses shouldn’t mean that the filesharing sites get entirely off of the hook. There should be a greater burden on them to search out and remove copyrighted material without needing a DMCA request. A simple example of a solution would be to blacklist the names of movies and games released less than a year ago, along with permeutations of those names, and flag anything posted with those names for the moderators to examine, as well as common examinations of the most commonly downloaded material. This would not be a 100% solution, but it would help to decrease piracy. If filesharing sites really cared about stopping piracy and emphasizing legitimate uses, there would be some voluntary adoption of methods to prevent the posting of copyrighted material.
  
  Second; try before you buy never includes the full product, or even all the information about it. You can go into a house before buying, but that doesn’t tell you anything about the community or the possible damages to the house. You can drive a car, but that doesn’t tell you how the car’s life will actually be There are demos and (oftentimes) voluntary youtube music postings for music, trailers for movies, and trailers, demos and gameplay videos for games, and reviews for all three. It’s not as if there’s no information about the products available. These should be enough for someone to make a purchase decision on. If there is an inadequate amount of information provided, pass on it. If you hear that it’s good, you can always buy later (maybe when it’s cheaper). If you don’t, then you probably made the right decision. That doesn’t really fulfill instant gratification, but it’s a more responsible solution.
  
  If you really think a new business model is needed, then make it. Make a system that artists can join that provides what you will want. Contact a few high-profile artists and get some big names to join. In short, make the new solution, don’t just ask them for it. Defeat the RIAA and company at their own game, by appealing to what consumers want. That’s a good free market solution that doesn’t infringe on the rights of the artists. Likewise, if the RIAA and company are influencing laws, then appeal the populace to stop them. Admittedly, it looks like your friend is doing this, and I congratulate him for that, but I don’t think enough has been done there. I live in the United States, near the capital, and I’ve never seen a protest from filesharers. I’ve seen protests for all kinds of other things; gay rights, legalization of filesharers, the belief that sodium bicarbonate can cure cancer and the pharmecutical companies are hiding it because they want people to die. I’ve even seen a protest arguing that the right to vote should be restricted to white people. For all that I’ve seen, I’ve never seen a pirate protest. Hell, we’ve never even had a pirate party candidate run for office, even as an independent. It’s kind of important to try that before you claim legal fixing.
  
  The shock value of this would be greater if there weren’t already many other sites doing the exact same thing. That’s my opinion. It just seems to me that you tell someone uneducated on the issue that someone started a new pirate site, and the first question will be “what’s new there?”.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    You’ve given a lot of great feedback my friend. I’ll discuss this with Travis and see what he thinks. I like the idea of creating a new solution using file sharing, it would be a great case study example to prove that it can have it’s own merits and be useful to artists.
  - Friend of the People
    
    Well, if someone does make a business based on voluntary filesharing, I’ll give it a try. Got nothing against torrenting itself. I look forward to your response.
  - Friend of the People
    
    Also, when I said legalization of filesharing in there when talking about protests, I meant legalization of pot. Just picked up on that.

True North ,Strong and Free

even tho this is Saturday i sent an E mail to the goverment of canada (ecretariat@cb-cda.gc.ca) posed this question to them, Is it legal to provide LINKS to possable pirated materal (movies,music,pictures,etc) that is not actually hosted (provided) by the owner or his/her website and said materal (movies,music,pictures,etc) may actually hosted (provided) from another country

True North ,Strong and Free

did this just to be sure im in the right,im 99% sure but need that 1%
i dont like my foot in my mouth or eating crow………
- Me
  
  You are right. Safe from Foot-in-Mouth syndrome today :)

http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

Congrats, guy. You just threw your political career down the drain. This is nothing more a silly, futile gesture. People run red lights everyday, but does that mean, that they are going to get rid of the street lights?

““We are in a war for digital sovereignty and we are patriots of this digital revolution,” he says.”
Another way of saying “we are simply too lazy to get off our asses and go to the store.”

http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

Traffic lights are VERY dissimilar to downloading. When was the last time you downloaded something that caused the death of someone, or the destruction of someone’s mind and body, or the cost to taxpayers to the health industry to treat people with no insurance?

Your summary of his quote couldn’t be more wrong. He speaks of sovereignty, which is freedom – the freedom to share information. Humans are a social animal, we learn through watching others – sharing information is simply a human thing to do. To deny us information is unnatural.

The movie industry simply refuses to change their business model. They need to offer incentives to those that pay for their content. They need a distribution service that will bring movies directly into our homes. How about these huge movie industries invest into home theater systems? Set-top boxes that link directly to distributors and offer commentary, special features, etc? If they cut out the middle man (public theaters), they could pocket more money. They could also invest in 3D technology and experiment with other means to enhance the movie experience. They focus so much of their time and efforts attacking the very people that praise their movies and shell out hundreds of dollars a year on DVD’s, Blu-Rays, and merchandise. Instead they should be focusing on new ways to entice people to experience a movie.

How about having a greater presence in colleges across the nation and snatch up the most talented individuals? I know my art college didn’t have any connections to the movie industry, and we had some extremely talented artists that would have loved to devote their lives (for very little pay) just to be a part of movie history.

Dismantle Unions in the industry. They’re suffocating innovation and keeping people on the payroll that don’t deserve to be.

We’re now in the era of the digital home theater, and the movie industry has done nothing to capitalize on this fact. They need to INVEST their money, take some risks. When you have a rigid business model, you will fail.
- Notnaive
  
  Dismantle unions in tue industry? You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. I can guarantee that most of the professionals involved in creating films that you watch and enjoy would disagree with you. Film is a very elusive industry. Workers unions exist in order for professionals to be able to FEED THEIR FAMILIES through all the HARD WORK it takes to make films. Unions exist precisely to counteract the greed you resent. Your beef is with greedy producers, studios and distributors. Not unionized film workers. Do some research and maybe some thinking before spewing out such contradictory, un-constructive namby-pamby nonsense
  - http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay
    
    “Exclusive” is the word you were looking for.
    
    I made a perfectly valid point. The context of my statement had to do with what the movie industry could do to innovate. Unions are the death of innovation. They always will be. A company can’t grow, expand, or take chances with a parasitic Union leeching off of them. I guess I’m one of those CRAZY people that believes I have a choice when it comes to where I work.
    
    “The people at the top make millions off the backs of the workers, boohoo!” – They wouldn’t make those millions if no one worked for them, would they? That’s how life works: you get what you deserve. If you deserve more money then you’ll go somewhere and MAKE more money. If you don’t deserve much, or don’t want much even, then work for those that will exploit you, sure. The successful business model is one where both employees and employer are rewarded for their good work. If the work’s not good then the company won’t last. That’s the funny thing about Capitalism: it works for everyone.
    Unions throw a wrench in the works to , then when the system stops working everyone blames Capitalism, or people with money. Ridiculous. That’s like tying someone’s shoelaces together and then blaming them for not being able to walk.
    
    Unions are great for making money and supporting a family, yes. Why you
    jumped to the conclusion that I’m somehow anti-family I have no idea. It’s
    bad for the industry, though, there’s no question about that.
gae

Unfortunately for people like you there is a digital revolution and it is happening right now.
Times change and you can only resist this change for so long before it becomes inevitable.
- Notnaive
  
  What a coincidence that this digital revolution is happening in sync with the revolution of maliable tools who only understand what that can google in a few minutes. Naive mis-informed ideologists with no clue or appreciation for what goes into making the entertainment they enjoy.
Anonymous

Or to rephrase it…

I wouldn’t steal a car. Indeed. I wouldn’t steal a handbag. I wouldn’t steal a retail DVD. But I would download a movie, since nobody loses anything. (and probably a 3ds model or something of a car XD)

We’re not lazy. (actually, sometimes I am. that’s where digital distribution comes in but since the people who pay you don’t provide it to the EU… we resort to BitTorrent).

Also, it’s way too expensive sometimes. According to one person at pourquoijepirate.fr, a DVD at the Fnac (an entertainment store) is one shopping basket at E-leclerc (a supermarket).

And you can’t just undermine thousands of years of human nature. You can’t. Impossible. Period.
AnonsSuckTheBigOne

How the heck, or better said, why are you comparing downloading a song/movie to running a red light?

Jay raises a good point, “When was the last time you downloaded something that caused the death of someone, or the destruction of someone’s mind and body, or the cost to taxpayers to the health industry to treat people with no insurance?” (Hope you don’t mind me quoting you on that Jay.)

And again, Jay is right in that you’re summary of that quote is incorrect. Again, how are you getting what you’re saying from the actual quote? That’s a huge leap of the imagination you made there. If the quote had been, “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country” would you have taken that to mean “I want free sh*t”?

And you wonder why some don’t take you and your side seriously. It applies to both sides, but look at the spin you’re putting on things. Comparing a download to running a red light. Taking a quote and taking it completely out of context and then saying it means “I want free things” (basically). There are plenty of people on this site who are pro-copyright and against file-sharing, but none of them act like you do. You do your side a great disservice.
AnonsSuckTheBigOne

How the heck, or better said, why are you comparing downloading a song/movie to running a red light?

Jay raises a good point, “When was the last time you downloaded something that caused the death of someone, or the destruction of someone’s mind and body, or the cost to taxpayers to the health industry to treat people with no insurance?” (Hope you don’t mind me quoting you on that Jay.)

And again, Jay is right in that you’re summary of that quote is incorrect. Again, how are you getting what you’re saying from the actual quote? That’s a huge leap of the imagination you made there. If the quote had been, “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country” would you have taken that to mean “I want free sh*t”?

And you wonder why some don’t take you and your side seriously. It applies to both sides, but look at the spin you’re putting on things. Comparing a download to running a red light. Taking a quote and taking it completely out of context and then saying it means “I want free things” (basically). There are plenty of people on this site who are pro-copyright and against file-sharing, but none of them act like you do. You do your side a great disservice.
- Alexis Of Silverfang
  
  If one looks at scientific researches about filesharing on the one hand and how “the entertainment industrie” handles things on the other, there’s quite an amount of “if we don’t get the sale, nobody should get it”-logic poking in the eye…

Friend of the People

I don’t think I have a full grasp of this linking vs hosting issue, at least as far as it applies to this issue. Here’s a question I’d like answered; is this a linking site if it actually has a download button? It looks to me like you can download the content without being directed to another website. Does that count as linking? If yes, why?

AnonsSuckTheBigOne

After giving it a bit of thought and then actually visiting it to see what you meant, it appears to be more of a linking site.

A hosting site, or hosting in general, means that the content is stored there on the site’s servers. Rapidshare would be considered a hosting site. Because they store data on their servers (legitimate and illegitimate, as upped by their users, not necessarily by them).

This site (tormovies.org) would be a linking site, because they merely provide links. Yes, there is a download button, but the files themselves are not directly hosted/stored on the site’s servers. Which while it might seem like a tiny difference, it is an important difference nonetheless in determining whether a site is merely linking/hosting.

I might be wrong though. Because another thing I’m thinking is that perhaps “linking” could mean they provide a link to another site. For instance, say you want Captain America, I know you don’t but just work with me on this example. If tormovies.org was more a forum, and I know Fried of the People and others want a copy of Captain America and I happen to have it, I could put it up somewhere. On some kind of cyberlock and then receive a link to download the file. At which point, I go back to the forum and say “Hey Friend of the People, here’s a link to Captain America. Click it, it’ll take you to another site and you can download it there.” That might be a more appropriate example of linking.

Like I said, I’m not sure on what exactly constitutes linking. In my opinion, linking is just linking is providing a link to acquire a file. As long as you aren’t directly hosting it. Which would make this site a “linking” site. Maybe someone else can help clarify further, but I hope this sort of answers your question.
- gae
  
  It is a linking site. I don’t think the guy is so stupid to host the stuff aswell ;)
  - AnonsSuckTheBigOne
    
    Thanks for the clarification. With laws and whatnot it’s hard to make a clear distinction. Especially given the recent atmosphere lately. As in changing laws to suit the needs of the industries. I agree, this guy wouldn’t host the content, that’d be a bad move. A bold one for sure, but a bad one. They’d try and extradite him for sure if he did that.
  - AnonsSuckTheBigOne
    
    Thanks for the clarification. With laws and whatnot it’s hard to make a clear distinction. Especially given the recent atmosphere lately. As in changing laws to suit the needs of the industries. I agree, this guy wouldn’t host the content, that’d be a bad move. A bold one for sure, but a bad one. They’d try and extradite him for sure if he did that.
  - Friend of the People
    
    Fair enough. I get your explanation, but it just seems odd to me to call it a linking site when it has a download button directly on the site. My question is answered though. Thanks.
- gae
  
  It is a linking site. I don’t think the guy is so stupid to host the stuff aswell ;)
gae

Because what you download when you click the download button comes from somebody elses server…..just because you don;t get transfered to another site does not mean you are hosting everything you link to.
Anonymous

Well an easy example would be to read a little about for example an iframe. That is not a product from Apple but that is how you can load one website within another website. So it might look like it is all one website but it could just as well be 3 of them. For example http://manda.com/iframe/index.html This website is showing yahoo and cnn in two different frames (scroll down). This is a little bit like embedding a youtube clip. It is a link that displays the content you are linking to.
- Anonymous
  
  “That is not a product from Apple”
  
  nice touch lol.

True North ,Strong and Free

hosting in the u.s. (FOR NOW)
as for your grammarbook comment im alot older than you,have an education,and a career( unlike you) so you know where to stick your book/website!
sites like these , benefit EVERYONE id like to refer to an article from TorrenkFreak on a movie producer that applauds the use of torrents for his film(s)
http://torrentfreak.com/producer-thanks-pirates-for-stealing-his-film-071113/

downsides? there IS NONE……….

Friend of the People

Well, you don’t seem able to reply directly to me, so that’s a point off. Your claim about your own state in life is unverifiable, particularly since neither of us knows the other’s age. You still have numerous grammatical mistakes, so I remain unimpressed on that front. This will also lead me to dispute your claim about your age, mainly because most of the people I know above the age of 30 know where to put a period.

You can’t cite one example of piracy working and use that as a sweeping declaration that piracy is always beneficial. If you’re going to do that, then I want you to look up a film called “A Lonely Place For Dying” on VODO. They need $40,000 to ready their film for a theatrical release (that’s not even counting the $200,000 they need to make their money back), and they only have $3794, with an average of $20 being donated per day for the past 5 days. If they continue earning at double this rate, they will earn their $40,000 back in only 2.5 short years, and that’s after over 1.1 million downloads. The donation system has not worked.

The important thing to take from this is that you need to defend how a future piracy based system will reward artists and promote innovation at the same rate as the current system, not just point at case studies and try to pawn those off as actual analysis.

Anyone who says their point of view has no downside has no idea what he’s talking about. There’s no perfect solution to anything even remotely complicated. You can believe your solution is better, but the instant you claim no downsides to your viewpoint, we know that you haven’t really taken the time to think about it. Here’s a very simple downside; the viral advertising concept works on the assumption that the people the pirate refers the movie will pay. If piracy is decriminalized and culture becomes available to everyone for free, the masses that the pirates refer the movies to won’t have any reason to pay.
- WOW
  
  wrong that donation showing , is timed on a timeframe basis ive seen it up to 9000 on day and back down to 2000 the next they arent showing you what htey really are making inother words and the film is already done a lot a people dont like a film in 4 parts and thats why a lot a people didnt donate
  - Guest123
    
    What? The counter on VODO says “total donations”, and it gives a list of all the donations made. It’s pretty clear on the total donations part. I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but it sounds incorrect.
    
    As for people not donating to a film in 4 parts, that sounds to me like a justification for people who weren’t going to donate anyway. It’s picky at the very least.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  Actually there’s research which proves that Limewire’s most active “pirates” were also iTune’s biggest legal purchasers. http://torrentfreak.com/former-google-cio-limewire-pirates-were-itunes-best-customers-110726/
  
  Donation based income is different from “try before you buy.” In the case of file sharing, a lot of people were downloading music or movies to find out what they liked, then purchasing content from their favorite artists. Donations, however, give everything away unconditionally, with no obligation to pay for anything, and by offering nothing further beyond the one movie, nothing else that they can choose to pay for if they like the movie. Perhaps if they had marketed merchandise or including some sort of advertising then they could have fared better on their returns? The donation story is an interesting experiment, but it’s more accurately compared to an “honesty bar” in a hotel than file sharing. Particularly since file-sharing also has applications beyond sharing copyrighted materials.
  
  Of course, there are some people out there who are taking without giving anything back to the artists, but the point is there are also plenty of people who were giving back more than they were taking, and since an act of file-sharing doesn’t cost the artist anything (in the sense that when you make a copy of a file and share it, the original content has not be removed, and still exists) then this is actually to the benefit of the artists. File sharing is not killing the industry, outdated business practices and greed (the RIAA, MPAA, etc want the money for themselves, not the artists. It’s not the artist who is losing money, it’s these guys) spells the doom of the entertainment industry as we know it if they don’t advance their practices to meet the demands of the modern day consumer.
  
  Think about it this way. If many of the biggest file sharers are also some of their biggest paying customers, then they’re not really losing money on those guys. In fact by these guys having the chance to try it before they buy it, file sharing may be driving their purchasing decisions to purchase more content than they otherwise may have. Yes, some people do take without giving back. But in brick and mortar stores, there are also plenty of people who take without giving back. People shoplift all the time and not only does it cost those brick and mortar stores (who have higher overhead to pay on top of all that) the loss of the profits that could have been made from the stolen items, but (unlike the entertainment industry) it also costs them the product itself, making it an even bigger loss for them. So, if brick and mortar stores can take a bigger loss from shoplifting than the entertainment industry takes from file sharing, and can do it without going out of business and without having to levy unrealistic lawsuits against the shoplifters that would ruin them for the rest of their lives, but instead use reasonable punishments that are in scale with the crimes committed, then how come the entertainment industry cannot do the same?
  
  The truth is, today with the Internet at your disposal, an artist doesn’t need the RIAA or MPAA, they can market their content directly to the consumers. That is what these groups are really afraid of, it’s a scary prospect that you have become irrelevant, and unless you want to let the law of supply and demand run it’s course, and become yesterday’s news, then you’re going to have to find some way to keep your business model alive. These groups are spending far more than they could ever lose to file sharing to try to fight file sharing, because it’s not just about losing money, it’s about losing influence, and losing relevancy in today’s entertainment industry. They may flounder on for years to come, but their days are numbered.
  - Friend of the People
    
    First, my answer to your brick and mortar store analogy is that a relatively small portion of people steal, while filesharing has the potential to be much larger. I agree that the current punishments are not in line with the crime, but I do not agree that piracy should be decriminalized.
    
    I’m well aware of the studies, but you should be careful to not confuse correlation with causality. There is no evidence to suggest that piracy actually causes people to be better customers. A more parsimonious explanation is that the people who enjoy music most are more likely to pirate.
    
    Filesharing does have applications beyond piracy. I never said it didn’t. No one is proposing banning filesharing. The legitimate uses of filesharing have nothing to do with piracy. Piracy is the illegal downloading of copyrighted material. If an artist chooses to put their work up on torrent sites, more power to them. That’s their choice. However, when someone chooses to post a copyrighted work without the consent of the artist, then they have taken that choice away from the artist. That’s when it becomes unjustifiable.
    
    “Perhaps if they had marketed merchandise or including some sort of advertising then they could have fared better on their returns?”
    
    Many forms of media can’t rely on merchandise for even minuscule profits. Take videogames; only the very best sell any merchandise at all.
    
    “Of course, there are some people out there who are taking without giving anything back to the artists, but the point is there are also plenty of people who were giving back more than they were taking, and since an act of file-sharing doesn’t cost the artist anything (in the sense that when you make a copy of a file and share it, the original content has not be removed, and still exists) then this is actually to the benefit of the artists.”
    
    It’s not the choice of the pirates. It should be the choice of the pirates. In free system, we give people the right to make to make their own business decisions, even if those choices lose them money. Why not allow the artist this choice? Why force a choice on them?
    
    If the filesharing model is really reliable on the large scale, then why not make a filesharing website that artists can voluntarily join that will reliably reward them? Let the artists who can see the wisdom in filesharing join it, and let the others lose out. If it works as well as you seem to think it will, then you can kill the RIAA and company without infringing on the artist’s rights. Let the free market prove the worth of your claims.
    
    Personally, I don’t like the idea of piracy because I’ve seen no evidence that a piracy-based system can support the same quality of work as currently exists. I haven’t seen many (if any) successful movies or videogames that were distributed with a donation system, and I don’t see any services that some of these forms of media could apply to ensure profitability. In short, I’ve heard a lot of rhetoric from the pirates, but no business ventures that prove anything.
    
    And to be clear, I don’t have any love for production and distribution companies, but I don’t see a better alternative right now. They provide services like investment and support that aren’t easily available to independent producers, and they don’t have a current analogue in the digital world.
    
    In short, copyright seeks to further the progress of the arts by incentivising creation. It does this by giving exclusive rights to create copies to the artist (as well as granting the right to be recognized as the creator of all of their works). If filesharing can prove that it can fulfill that purpose without needing copyright, then copyright will obsolete. As it stands now, that is unproven.
    
    And finally, I attack True North’s grammar because he chose to set the tone as impolite. I like having polite conversations with people I disagree with, but if he’s going to open with an insult, I’m not going to be kind. You can judge me for that if you want, but I don’t feel bad about it. As far as I’m concerned, if someone else extends an olive branch, I’ll be peaceful, but if they extend a fist, I’ll crack them in the jaw. By the way, we’re not talking about an occasional grammatical mistake, as you or I might be prone to make, we’re talking about an assault on the English language. About his age; he started that. He claimed he was older then me (possible, but I doubt it). I agree that age doesn’t usually matter (unless we’re talking about life experiences, which is an issue here, but not to a large degree). I probably should have let that one go, but it’s just picking at the low hanging fruit. It’s true that he may not be an idiot if he’s working at Burger King, but his grammar, diction and overall content don’t suggest that he’s very bright. They also don’t suggest that he has had any valuable life experience. I think that you seem bright even though I disagree with you. I can’t say the same for him.
    
    Besides, the opportunities to argue with a true fool here are actually rather rare. The stupid people don’t respond to posts.

http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

I still don’t understand how Google gets away with linking to torrents and doesn’t get picked on constantly by the movie industry.

I guess the MPAA likes to only pick on the little guy they can push around. Google knows that linking isn’t a crime, and the last thing that the MPAA wants is to engage them in court and have this fact be known to all. It’s the MPAA’s Big Lie.

This is what Adolf Hitler said about The Big Lie in Mein Kampf:

“…in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”

WOW

thats how the cia and fbi gather info . never use goggle or main stream search engine to lok for torrents thats hilarious HAHAHA
- http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay
  
  Simply searching for torrents is not a crime, so I’m not sure how thay can link you to a download through Google.
  
  Unless you’re telling me that Google is part of some shrewd sting operation.
  
  Actually, some clarification would be great because i’ve never heard of this and it sounds dubious.

Anonymous

All those trolls giving their first reaction give me an idea: Find a good movie on IMDb and downloading it at Tormovies. Awesome site :D

WOW

get logged open reg = screwed in usa
- Anonymous
  
  I’m Dutch? That might just help?
  
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Anonymous

All those trolls giving their first reaction give me an idea: Find a good movie on IMDb and downloading it at Tormovies. Awesome site :D

Miz’

Quite risky, but not “The dumb kid”
2 options: be “punished” from this project = political profit
or (not unlikely) be ignored due political relations = profit

nevertheless, this is project wont help him to get elected due he’s age and inexperience,,

Miz’

Quite risky, but not “The dumb kid”
2 options: be “punished” from this project = political profit
or (not unlikely) be ignored due political relations = profit

nevertheless, this is project wont help him to get elected due he’s age and inexperience,,

Travis McCrea

:) Thanks Miz, I thought my win-win (for me and users of my site) scenario would be very transparent. Apparently most others didn’t see it. Oh well I call this article “Pawn to E4″ :)

True North,Strong And Free

As for A Lonely Place For Dying movie they have my $20,did you donate,bet not.
IF its good movie it`s worth $20 ,as with the example The Man From Earth, the producer got my $20 cause it was a good movie, what hollywood puts out it`s anus nowadays ,is`nt worth my $20 IF they did put 1 out , and i did download it and was good i`d spend $20 to go see it enough said…
As for the grammer, im not 1 like you to type it all out then copy/paste into google spell check an have them correct my spelling and punctuation. <— see see a period…….

Friend of the People

I know that you know where the reply button is. I’ve seen you reply to a comment before.

No one has to put anything into google for a punctuation check. It’s something you’re supposed to be able to do by yourself. You’re supposed to be able to write something and have it come out in clear sentences. You shouldn’t have to put that much effort into it.

As for A Lonely Place For Dying, it got 10 bucks from me. It was a very good movie, and I’ll happily support artists who choose to go outside of the traditional system. More power to em. What I won’t support is pirates who make that choice in the artist’s stead, and force them into the piracy based model. If an artist wants to exist outside of the system, that’s great, but if they don’t, then it’s not our place to force them into a different system. If you really can’t stand their distribution model, don’t view their art. Then, you’re not forcing them into anything.

That said, I think you missed the two main points of the example. The first is that the pirate system is not foolproof, and the donation model does have failures, such as the low amount of money this movie is getting.. The second, and more important, is that you can’t use a case study to make sweeping generalizations. I could try to use this to proclaim that the donation model is irreparably broken and should be discarded in favor of copyright, but that would be disingenuous. Likewise, you can’t use one good example to say that there will be no problems from a change in copyright law. That’s the point.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
  
  You’re spending a lot of your posts attacking his grammar rather than his points. What difference does it make if his grammar is perfect or not? I strive to post with perfect spelling and grammar, but so long as you can read and understand what is being conveyed, there is really nothing to complain about. To excessively attack someone’s grammar rather than their point conveys to me that you don’t have a lot of good counterpoints, and so you need to attack their credibility, in this case saying he can’t spell correctly, has bad grammar, must be in middle school, works at Burger King, etc. It’s all very childish and has no bearing on the point what-so-ever. Even if he is say, 20 years old and works at Burger King, that doesn’t make him an idiot. There are all sorts of possible life events, which have nothing to do with your intelligence, which could take you from being a successful executive one day to being the manager of your local Burger King a few years down the road. Also, arguing over his age has little merit. I’ve met some incredibly intelligent people who are my own age (21) as well as some people who are absolutely the dumbest people I’ve ever known. I’ve met some very intelligent older people, and also some of the dumbest older people I’ve ever known. Age does not have a direct correlation with intelligence, there are many more determining factors that cannot be boiled down simply to: I’m older than you, therefore more intelligent.” At the end of the day, it has no bearing on the points you’re trying to make to each other.
  
  So, perhaps it’s not your intention, and maybe you do have some good points to make, but I would humbly recommend you focus on making strong points, rather than arbitrary accusations to try to demean your opponent. It makes you look bad, and it completely distracted me from your own points. In effect, even if you present a good argument, you end up looking like an immature man-child citing the well known and scientifically proven statistic that “I’m older than you (probably) and have better grammar, so my opinion matters more than yours.”

Guest

Thanks for giving Canada more and more reasons to change their policies on copyright infringement! Like the US hasn’t been pushing us enough.

For shame.

Travis McCrea

If Canada changes the policy because a Canadian website gets big, then it was going to happen anyway… you think if the person who was running the site was more anonymous it would affect law making differently?
“Well we were going to change our laws to deal with these pesky torrent websites… but all the torrent websites are operated by anonymous administrators… I guess we will let them go”.

At least with me there is some figurehead for them to use and say “sure there are these torrent sites, but at least we know who runs it and can work with them instead of just looking like a dictatorship” (though, the Harper Government already is abusive as it is… so who knows)

http://www.facebook.com/PCR.Tech.SC Tim Holmes

I checked it out and they are all magnet links. Not my normal way of downloading anything, nice setup though, but I do wish Travis McCrea luck on whatever he’s trying to accomplish. I’m gonna be sticking to my normal sites though, and as always TorrentFreak rocks. :D

Anon

On each torrent you can click on “more info” and download a .torrent file
- Travis McCrea
  
  Please note: Those torrent files are not hosted on our site, they are simply used on the site’s we get our feeds from (namely bitsnoop)

WOW

to the dipshits DOMAIN NAMES were ruled property in Canada and as such ICE cant seize them UNLESS they were registered in the usa .I give um 1 poimy for balls
and subtract 1000000 for hosting in usa , I WONT even do that
i wont even go there……
they dont care ….if they cared they would not have loaded up for another 2.5 trillion in debt THAT country is fuxored and do not deal go or put any cash into it period divest jump the ails go elsewhere

WOW

I have said in past if the rights holders had done ten years ago what this guy is doing with a donate what you want or can afford with a min of 3$ say, prolly 3/4 ths of todays pirates would not exist and the rest can’t or wont pay any ways…
this new domain name ruling means because i not only reside in Ontario and have a trademark for UHA and united hackers association ….that

A) the uha domains .com.org .net and .ca and .on.ca due to said trademark are mine because i reside in ontario. NOW im not asserting that because i have access and use of uha1 domains thanks to its owner….with me making payment in a lease to own meaning to enter my domain ( house) you need a warrant and court order to turn off my net.
B) said lawful access law does not address this and as such a huge chunk of hte warrant less provisions is muted.THINK aobut me encrypting to and form my domain as that encryption as part of my domain and until some ruling on that gets handed down im asserting that. YOU could hten also argue the BCE and rogers DPI devices if you even point a domain at your up and they spy would be breaking and entering your property …

BOY what a mess this ruling is gonna get going….CHOOSE a side and get vocal with or without a pirate party. IM WITH THE P2P people one is even trying to go around accusing me of hacking a torrent site HOWS that for haha man are some torrent admins JUST STUPID.

the major affect here is that until the supreme court rules this can and should put a hold on domains registered in Canada that put up infringing content , cant be seized without court order and must obtain a warrant. i’ll add that its hard to get a house search warrant unless you see something is illegal. and trust me if you don’t have a login and pass how can you know. IF your there inside with a login and pass to investigate DID you get a warrant noooo too fraking bad then. go get some paedophiles and murders and rapists….wait till lawyers start on this its gonna be fun and i note the man from sweden posts here ….ive never received a formal apology form the canuck pirate party , and until i do they arent the ones to support. YOU GUYS really blew it.

WOW

I have said in past if the rights holders had done ten years ago what this guy is doing with a donate what you want or can afford with a min of 3$ say, prolly 3/4 ths of todays pirates would not exist and the rest can’t or wont pay any ways…
this new domain name ruling means because i not only reside in Ontario and have a trademark for UHA and united hackers association ….that

A) the uha domains .com.org .net and .ca and .on.ca due to said trademark are mine because i reside in ontario. NOW im not asserting that because i have access and use of uha1 domains thanks to its owner….with me making payment in a lease to own meaning to enter my domain ( house) you need a warrant and court order to turn off my net.
B) said lawful access law does not address this and as such a huge chunk of hte warrant less provisions is muted.THINK aobut me encrypting to and form my domain as that encryption as part of my domain and until some ruling on that gets handed down im asserting that. YOU could hten also argue the BCE and rogers DPI devices if you even point a domain at your up and they spy would be breaking and entering your property …

BOY what a mess this ruling is gonna get going….CHOOSE a side and get vocal with or without a pirate party. IM WITH THE P2P people one is even trying to go around accusing me of hacking a torrent site HOWS that for haha man are some torrent admins JUST STUPID.

the major affect here is that until the supreme court rules this can and should put a hold on domains registered in Canada that put up infringing content , cant be seized without court order and must obtain a warrant. i’ll add that its hard to get a house search warrant unless you see something is illegal. and trust me if you don’t have a login and pass how can you know. IF your there inside with a login and pass to investigate DID you get a warrant noooo too fraking bad then. go get some paedophiles and murders and rapists….wait till lawyers start on this its gonna be fun and i note the man from sweden posts here ….ive never received a formal apology form the canuck pirate party , and until i do they arent the ones to support. YOU GUYS really blew it.

Notnaive

rights holders had ten years to start giving their work away for free? i know, what the heck were they thinking relying on copyright laws to make millions of dollars with their very risky invistments that seldom turn real profits. paying for their losses with the 1 in 10 films that actually made money. because that’s the reality in making films, regardless of taste. they seldom make money. and taking away more revenue will take away more filmmakers and films. it’s that simple. when torrent sites offer free downloads of commercial products, and profit from ads on the site where they offer it, they ARE taking revenue from the creators and it’s totally contradictory to any anti copyright stance at it’s core.
- http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea
  
  I haven’t really been replying to your comments in the thread… you have a vested interest in the media industries raping consumers, and I don’t. I understand that it is a difference of opinion.
  
  However, I do have to point out that I have NOT made a penny on this project and it actually costs me money. Even the Amazon links that I provide so people will purchase a copy of the movies that our website covers is not an affiliate link. With the amount of hits we get daily I could make a lot of money on the service, and perhaps one day if we need bigger and better servers I will be forced to put up some advertising to help offset the server costs… but never to make a profit.
  
  Also, I would give up watching any new blockbusters ever again to ensure that the media industries are not able to stop sites like youtube from letting people upload their content. There are enough indy films and short flicks from people who make movies just because they enjoy making movies. Sure I love your fancy graphics and explosions but my culture is more important to me.
  - Notnaive
    
    I have a vested interest in reality. I really don’t see any consistency with you providing links to commercial material if you’re an advocate for free material. Creative Commons does exist. you should focus your attention on that. that is where the future of this culture lies. why waste time fighting the system when all the tools you need to further your cause are there.
    CREATIVE COMMONS.
    People like you choose to obfuscate this issue, with statements such as the one you made regarding the industry I work in “raping” consumers. do you really believe that? a bit of a loaded term since rape is involuntary and watching a movie is not. It is not the “industry” that you have a problem with., but rather only certain elements within that industry. yet you generalize in order to make your point. and thus, your point is invalid. you will find many who agree with you. but they also have an interest in getting high budget product for free. you can claim to not want to watch these films. how does it help your point when you feature links to them on your site?
    you can have all the culture you want. no one is stopping you or anyone else from participating and sharing free content. if my boss asks for money for their content, that is their right as wall. your rights are not being violated. you are not being raped. go take a shower and have a good cry.
    
    I could have abstained from acknowledging your comments as well, since you work in the ISP industry. the big mean ISP industry. but i don’t generalize and obfuscate in order to get support from naive conflicted fans of free stuff.
  - Farkwad
    
    Your youtube videos aren’t culture, they’re pathetic. I’ll take Citizen Kane, Cowboys vs. Aliens or really any Hollywood movie over a youtube product anyday. Culture is found in the best society can produce, not the worst.
    
    Besides, your youtubers can already upload their content. They can post whatever they make. They just can’t post something someone else made. Also, even indie films cost money.
    
    I’ll take a wealth of culture and small limits over full freedom and a swamp anyday.
  - Travis McCrea
    
    @Farkwad
    The problem is that the media industries *HATE* youtube, they hate the fairuse exceptions that people have when uploading parody to YouTube they also hate the fact that YouTube cannot possibly prevent people from uploading their content in the first place that it must be flagged and taken down.
    
    Even if YouTube DOES implement that feature (which it kind of already has), it creates a horrible precedent for other smaller video sharing websites because they will not afford the technology required to accomplish something like that.
    
    Look at all the Viacom lawsuits against youtube.
    
    I must admit, I am not a fan of indy films as much as I am of block busters and such… but the indy films and the stupid youtube video of some person’s cat… that is our culture… that’s who we REALLY are. We are not these fake hollywood actors and actresses. We are not people who have audio people who can make our voice sound more pleasing to an audience. When we get up for Karaoke we feel good knowing we are going to suck, but we hope we don’t suck as much as the last person.
    
    That’s what real culture is about. Adaptation and Sharing life experiences. As for these block buster movies, well they are simply cheap entertainment. Art, yes. Something to be enjoyed. However, if it goes away, we will move on.
  - Farkwad
    
    The lawsuits against youtube are unreasonable. There is a vested interest in keeping copyrighted material off of it, but there must be a better solution then lawsuits. That’s not my gripe with what you just said though.
    
    All of that crap on youtube of a skateboarder cracking his nuts on a lead pipe does NOT constitute our culture. Culture is supposed to be the great parts of our society, not the sewage. Look at what we view as the high culture of the past; Beethoven, Jane Eyre, the Romantic Poetry. We don’t view the crappy drawings that any random person make as our culture. High culture is not work that anyone can make with a camcorder. Stuff like Inglourious Basetards or The King’s Speech; that’s culture. Shadow of the Colossus and Limbo; those are art. A video of a cat jumping on the blinds; mindless entertainment, not culture.
    
    Culture is not the majority; culture is the great. Culture should consist of the best we can create, not the worst. If youtube died, it would be disappointing, but I wouldn’t consider my life even slightly less culturally enriched. If Team Ico decided to stop making games or Quentin Tarentino decided to stop making movies; not that would be worth getting upset over.
  - Farkwad
    
    “now”, not “not” in that last sentence.
  - Farkwad
    
    Hell, I’d even miss Michael Bay and his kind more then I’d miss youtube. At least they offer me something I can’t get myself.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain
    
    Farkwad, videos of people hurting their nuts are not all that is on YouTube. It’s not so much about what one person bothers to upload, so much as the fact that anyone can upload anything. Complete freedom to produce your own works. Sure, this does mean videos of skateboarders busting their nuts on things, but this also gives artists who could not have shared their content with a large audience before a chance to do so.
    
    Also, I think the piracy will kill cinema argument is invalid. Piracy has been around in it’s current for since 1999, when Napster first came online. It’s been more than a decade, and despite piracy, blockbusters are still getting made, and movies are still profiting, even making record profits in some cases. If piracy could kill the movie industry, then considering piracy has been widely active for over a decade, it would have done so by now. It doesn’t seem to even be hurting the industry any more than the loss of shoplifted DVD’s or VHS’s would before the Internet came along.
    
    I think that both your garden variety YouTube videos as well as your blockbuster cinema movies are culture, they’re just two different types of culture and art. Both should be preserved, and piracy has made no clear threat to the movie or music industry. In fact, the only evidence ever produced by someone involved in those industries proves the exact opposite. http://torrentfreak.com/former-google-cio-limewire-pirates-were-itunes-best-customers-110726/
- Travis McCrea
  
  (the thread was too long so I will reply here)
  
  “people like you”
  “yet you generalize in order to make your point. and thus, your point is invalid.”
  Ironic?
  
  Also I find “you are not being raped. go take a shower and have a good cry.” highly offensive, not to me personally but you took the word which clearly is used in the text “To spoil or destroy” and turned it into the sexual connotation and further used a highly dehumanizing phrase after that which is meant to put down women who are sexually assaulted.
  
  Also my ISP is based on ethical practices, you should take another look at http://angryparrot.ca (which is admittedly still under construction). The people who you would appeal to would only like me more for my ISP. I provide anonymity services, file sharing services, and educational services as well… all included in whatever package you get.
  
  The fact is that consumers don’t have a “choice”, they buy the DVD – if they want to watch it on their computer (in the case of a linux user) they have to break US law. They want to watch it on their personal device? They have to break US law. They want to ensure that they don’t have to buy a second copy so they back it up? They have to break US law.
  
  I know people who buy the DVD for the special features, but then get one of the copies of the movie from torrents just because they don’t force you to watch the advertisements (that is a forced condition of a DVD sometimes), or so they can get it in a better file format.
  
  I am not saying don’t get paid for your work, I am saying don’t double dip.
  - Notnaive
    
    I DID look at your site, and I understand that you are attempting to ethically provide access to the internet. My point was that I didn’t generalize based on the fact that you work in that industry, which includes some very bad company. As opposed to how you generalized my industry.
    And having to eventually use ads to pay for more servers IS actually taking revenues from those that deserve it, in order to fund your project, whether you’re profiting or not.
    Once again you are obfuscating the issue. Your users aren’t simply looking for back-up copies either.
    No one is double-dipping. You simply don’t understand how the industry works. I find it very interestingthat so many anti copyright activists pretend to know how the industry works, and all the followers just take it as truth. They are hearing what they want to hear.
    And forgive mentor misinterpreting your use of the word rape. I’m sure you can admit that most people would interpret it the same way I did unless they grew up on a farm..
    And when I say “people like you” I mean people who hide behind a “rights” issue and ignore the fact that CREATIVE COMMONS completely invalidates your point.
Notnaive

“frak”
from BSG
a famous award-winning television show, produced with union labor, using money generated through traditional television revenues. hmmmm…. i wonder how many episodes would have been made if they relied on donations….
i can guarantee that anyone involved in creating that show would laugh in your face at the suggestion of it. and trust me, they’re usually pretty easy going people
Notnaive

“frak”
from BSG
a famous award-winning television show, produced with union labor, using money generated through traditional television revenues. hmmmm…. i wonder how many episodes would have been made if they relied on donations….
i can guarantee that anyone involved in creating that show would laugh in your face at the suggestion of it. and trust me, they’re usually pretty easy going people

WOW

P.s. we have already a neat law that says what canucks do on the net our laws apply here , this is a good law cause it helps catch pedo sickies going overseas to sites, and hten bringing sick shit back to canada. OM ways it can help you and me get protections too , our privacy law and the facebook row with our commisioner….as one example ….and you get the linking law for the p2pnet issue that says its up to the user to visit infringing links ….and now this that tosses my domain name as property when IPS are said to be people so ( get ready for this) people are in a house your domain) to see or view my domain you need permission ….if i give you permission your ok rest of ya have a nice day.

MESSY ruling

T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

OK .. the kid needs a hair cut … but nevertheless he is welcome within our swarm

ALL DATA WILL BE ASSIMULATED!!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!

Me

Does the swarm give free beer? :P
- T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.
  
  beer and pizza ;)
  
  nice work :D

townie2

at least this guy is actively trying to do something instead of just moaning and complaining in comments sections and forums (which I’m guilty of too). it takes a lot of balls to set up a torrent site these days in this political climate. ignore the trolls, and best of luck Travis.

Travis McCrea

Thanks Townie :)

Anonymous

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Notnaive

So why does this d-bag need Hollywood blockbusters on his front page? Because they have commercial value. This value is constantly exploited by anti copyright activists. Well guess what? The value that you rely on COMES FROM PEOPLE BUYING THE PRODUCT! So when people stop buying these films, you won’t have major high budgeted products to exploit anymore and your site won’t mean sh!t.
Ya people should have the freedom to post and share what they want. That doesn’t make some any less if a d-bag for breaking the funding cycle that FILMS RELY ON TO GET MADE! Try making your own GOOD film. It is much more demanding than creating a torrent site and co-opting a bland naive stance on this issue.

Anon

The movies appear on the frontpage based one the size of the swarm.

If an indie movies gets a lor of attention, it will make it to the frontpage.

Notnaive

Try making a GOOD film. GOOD ENOUGH to get distributed or even noticed on any sharing site. After you ACCOMPLISH this very DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE task, you will then see the naïveté in your views on file-sharing.
I can sit in front of street performers all day. I’ll bring some friends and snacks too. But after every performance I’ll loudly instruct my my friends NOT TO support tue artist. Why not? It’s perfectly legal. It’s my right to be a naive d-bag with no clue of the complexity of arts funding.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Chastain/1308655925 Zachary Chastain

I think you make a good point that this issue is more complex than it’s being presented here, but I think you should read this: http://torrentfreak.com/former-google-cio-limewire-pirates-were-itunes-best-customers-110726/

A study performed by a music industry executive (who was later fired) shows that Limewire’s biggest “pirates” were also iTune’s biggest purchasers of content. It turns out the people who “steal” content are also the same people who purchase the most DVD’s, go to the movies more often, and invest more money back into the industry than many of the “honest” customers.

Piracy has been an issue since the ’90s, yet the movie and music industries are still going strong, and artists are still making much better money than your average joe. On top of that, the RIAA and MPAA are investing more money in lawyers and lawsuits than they could have ever hoped to lose at the hands of the file sharers who don’t contribute large sums of money back into the industry. The RIAA and MPAA aren’t tightening their belts to funnel more money to producers, crews, or artists, but are still just as greedy as ever.

So, if file sharing is such an industry killer, how in the world has the industry survived almost 2 decades alongside it, while artists continue to thrive, greedy record and movie executives continue to thrive, and while the RIAA and MPAA spend the GDP of a small country on legal fees to sue some of their best customers? Sounds like file sharing and even outright piracy isn’t as bad for the industry as it’s own aging practices are proving to be. I’m no record or movie executive, but if budgets are tight for some of your producers and their crews, why not invest in their success to make things a little easier, rather than invest in lawyers to sue some of your best customers? Also, Douglas Merrill (the music executive from the article I linked you to above) was later fired after pointing all of this out. Is that the proper response to running a successful business? Rather than considering hearing a researched point from one of your trusted executive officers, you instead fire him because you don’t like what he has to say and you don’t want him representing you anymore? I’m sure that nobody at Enron wanted to hear “Our company isn’t profitable and things are going downhill fast.” but if someone had stepped up and said that, and someone else had listened, I don’t think there’s any doubt that things would have worked out better in the end for everyone involved. Just because what someone has to say isn’t what you want to hear, doesn’t mean you should ignore it. Especially when it points out that you may be attacking and alienating the very people who put the most food on your table, and pay the most of your bills. I own a small business, and if someone brought me proof that I was doing that, rather than shoot the messenger, I would consider the information and rethink what the hell I’m doing before I kill my own company!

It is a very complex issue, but don’t assume that you have all the answers either, or that you have it boiled down to an exact science. I’m sure it gets even more complex than I have illustrated above as well, and you’re no more likely to have it all figured out than Travis is or than I am.

Notnaive

@ Jay
here is the main reason your argument against film unions is invalid:
film is not exclusive. you don’t have to affiliate with a union to make a film. you can hire non-union workers. it is done ALL THE TIME. it is your right to do so.
it is also the workers’ right to form a union, and only take union work. and MOST serious and successful film professionals are in unions because if they weren’t, producers, studios, big media corporations, etc… would gouge them, and the QUALITY of their work would suffer. they need compensation for the long hours it takes to get the job done. i’m talking between 12 and 18 hrs per day in north america. quite often in very arduous conditions. without the right pay, it is simply impossible to be in the industry to create the films that we ALL watch.

your general rant against unions in industry as a whole does have some validity, albeit somewhat one-sided, but it does not apply to film. if you had any experience working in film, you would understand this. but as your ignorance suggests, you don’t, yet you choose to pass judgement on an ENTIRE WORKFORCE which includes the directors, writers, actors, technicians, and support staff that CREATE the content we are all discussing here.

and finally, let me explain again how film copyright laws infringe on your rights in NO WAY WHATSOEVER:
anyone is free to crreate a film and release it under a CREATIVE COMMONS license. no one is FORCING filmmakers to chose how they release their films.
no one is forcing filmmakers to hire union professionals
no rights have been violated
most file-sharing advocates have no idea how difficult it is to make good films. how much hard work goes into every single shot. most film professionals are not overpaid. don’t believe the hype. they hype is there simply as a marketing tool. it’s make-believe. in reality, film is not as lavish as you’d think, and most film workers are selfless, passionate people living within their means. ask around. like actually get out there and talk to people who make successful, good films. they will concurr what i have just said.

Notnaive

McCrae should go donate some more hair while my coworkers and I work 15 hr days creating films everyone loves, including indie films, putting food on our families’ tables, and making an honest living (as opposed to what the fairy-tale media hype machine leads you to believe)

Notnaive

McCrae should go donate some more hair while my coworkers and I work 15 hr days creating films everyone loves, including indie films, putting food on our families’ tables, and making an honest living (as opposed to what the fairy-tale media hype machine leads you to believe)

http://blog.meshfields.de/ nottinhill

Very nice article. Thanks.

Mike

Kid don’t ruin your life your young and not nearly rich enough to go up against these people in North America. They will ruin you. Leave it to the people who know how to play the game.

Go back to your politics and fight for fairer copyright and internet law in North America. Stay out of torrents. In politics is where you are needed and can be a star.

You evidently are very clever and with a bright future if you could avoid doing these web sites with “your name” on them.

You have no idea kid. You think you don’t care but sticking your face all over that site is truly, truly, stupid. When they come for you, and they will, the pirate party will not have enough resources to help you they will throw you to the dogs and send you emails of how brave you are.

Don’t be a brain washed suicide bomber.

Notnaive

I agree, he should stick to the ISP venture. It actually serves an ethical purpose, and may be hindered by the torrent activity. One cause is real, the other is not.
Travis McCrea

I think we need both, and we need someone with both charisma and political understanding. I just so happen to have both, and I plan to use it both at the poles and in the court room (if it comes to that).

I appreciate you looking out for me, and of all the “negative” comments in this thread, I genuinely read yours and smiled because it wasn’t from some shill… it was from a person who understands the effort and simply disagrees with the direction I have gone with it.

I don’t agree with your assessment that I am throwing my life away, I think people who sit and play it safe are throwing their life away. I live once, and I want to make the best of it I can… I will always fight relentlessly for the ability to freely share culture.
- Notnaive
  
  we already have the ability to freely share culture. anyone can create material and distribute it under a creative commons license. end of story
Anonymous

I would strongly disagree.

We are in a War for copyright freedom. In a conventional War do they only send in their best and brightest? Clearly no. If someone wants to play soldier then sure they can get the advise of their family, friends and those with experience but at the end of the day they are an adult and that is their choice.

So we train them up and ship them out with weapons and armour. Shoot or be shot kind of stuff. Just see in Afghanistan when many come back in boxes. They are doing their job and hoping to make changes.

Let me ask you this. What is the most important thing in life?

That answer is our freedom. Is that not worth fighting for? Is that not worth dying for? What is life if we are not free?

People can pick their own battles. Travis is of legal age and he has picked his. It is not about what they would do to him but about what he can achieve.

http://travismccrea.com Me

LOL btw, TorrentFreak’s ads keep suggesting I use “Reputation.com” – Protect my privacy and reputation online!

>.> Saying something?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512387356 Slime Mold

Great work! I’m happy to see someone get this proactive. Information activists are like a hydra, cut off one head and two will spring in its place!

Kat

I am all for the sharing of creativity, but how will movie producers (or lets face it the little men like grips who will be the first to go) get paid if it’s all free? Convince me this can still happen without anyone getting hurt and I will be on board.

Travis McCrea

Well there are a few things here: no one is talking about it being “all free” we are talking about allowing people to share movies as they have been for a long time. The non-biased reports show that “piracy” BOOSTS DVD sales:
http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/
http://torrentfreak.com/game-changing-study-puts-piracy-in-perspective-110311/
and http://torrentfreak.com/suppressed-report-found-busted-pirate-site-users-were-good-consumers-110719/
The last one an actual report commissioned BY the media industries that they had to cover up which shows pirates spend the most on media.

I normally don’t argue on this side of it, because I also hate laws that try to stop torrent websites and torrent technology because of the “illegal” uses of it. Honestly, we cannot stop technology in order to preserve jobs. You wouldn’t want us to stop development of the car to help the horseshoe maker, eh?
- Kat
  
  I see your point, but have to put out the terrible analogy of the car because now we are infested with monstrous beasts of metal everywhere we go poisoning our world. Don’t want us thinking of that when thinking of the advance of technology do we? ;)
- Notnaive
  
  whether or not it boosts any sales, it is the owner’s choice as to what license to offer when selling the product, not that of a self-appointed curator. let the owner decide whether they want to make it free online. most of them won’t. and that’s a choice you will have to live with because there are good reasons for copyright being law, whether you choose to ignore them or not.
  if your position on “sharing culture” has any integrity whatsoever, you would put promoting the use of creative commons ahead of sharing commercial works. do you not agree that the best step forward is to inform future creators of their rights and ability to use creative commons to achieve exactly what you claim to stand for? instead of fighting with commercial interests that choose to operate within the law according to their own, older model?
Travis McCrea

As for independant artists and filmakers I think the evidence has been out for a long time now without much argument that the issue that hurts small artists isn’t piracy, its obscurity.
- Notnaive
  
  That is still up to the filmmaker and/or owner to decide. The owner has control over the cost of the product and wether or not to offer it for free. As a curator, you are obliged to respect the owner’s wishes. They have done their pen detailed analysis on how to best release their product and recoup costs. It is their right to set distribution terms. Without this right, more troubling ethical questions may arise.
- Notnaive
  
  That is still up to the filmmaker and/or owner to decide. The owner has control over the cost of the product and wether or not to offer it for free. As a curator, you are obliged to respect the owner’s wishes. They have done their pen detailed analysis on how to best release their product and recoup costs. It is their right to set distribution terms. Without this right, more troubling ethical questions may arise.
  - Notnaive
    
    correction: “their *own* detailed analysis” (autocorrect)
Notnaive

grips aren’t necessarily the first to go. they are quite necessary. usually when budgets get scaled down, producers compromise by shorting staff in a number of different departments, using tighter shooting schedules, less prep time, fewer equipment rentals, smaller sound stages and location sets, etc… it affects production in a general way. to begin with, most films are made with less means than are necessary. the job of a filmmaker is to create a believable illusion despite the lack of means. but there’s a fine line. when budgets get too short, it really does hamper the process and the audience suffers. this applies to all films large and small, and many professionals work on productions of any size and scale throughout their careers. there’s a very large grey area between smart indy films and huge blockbusters when you look at the workforce being employed at any given time. i’ve worked on all different types and they all share the similar vulnerabilities.
the job of making something cheap look expensive is not an easy one. yet when it is accomplished the audience may be left with the impression of decadence, but that is not reality. the lavish circumstances surrounding any film are usually just make believe. but a certain amount of funding is still required to achieve this. to accuse any filmmaker of taking too much profit is simply misplaced resentment toward the establishment which requires they turn a large profit. this is in order to facilitate the development of new projects, big and small, many of which do not turn profits.
i and many other in the workforce would agree, certain people in certain positions are overpaid. some stars demand millions of dollars per film, leaving producers with little options but to cheap out in other areas. but that problem won’t necessarily be solved by infringing on copyrights. as is vaguely asserted in much of the discourse here.

Anon

Anyone that reads this article and thinks Travis is dishonest, look up his party platform as well. Background information can help clear things up. :)

Travis McCrea

http://travismccrea.com/platforms/
Notnaive

clarity is needed on the point stating “decriminalize non-commercial file sharing”

because file sharing is not illegal, hence the above statement is too vague.

it should be more clear: i.e. “decriminalize the sharing of copyrighted material for non-commercial purposes”

but even then how do you quantify “non-commercial?”. if i start a torrent community and it gets really popular after a few years, mostly due to the free publicity I was borrowing by providing highly publicized, popular content, and i have to bring in revenue to maintain it and pay costs associated with it, i am then a commercial entity. will i then have to retroactively pay the royalties? my user-base was generated through “non-commercial”, free file sharing, but now they’re generating revenue. how do you legally guarantee the autorities that your sharing activity isn’t for commercial purposes? without a time machine?
good luck fighting through that legal quagmire. it’s a tangled problem which won’t be sorted out any time soon. but to eliminate copyright altogether would result in an even larger problem. and a huge rights issue.
the answer is in creative commons. creating and sharing material using these licenses eliminates the above legal nightmare. that’s what it’s there for, so USE IT!

the quote at the very top is merely one example of how the anti-copyright movement keeps confusing itself, incorporating misleading information either accidentally, incidentally, or intentionally, which does not help the matter at all.
FILE SHARING IS NOT ILLEGAL unless the creator/owner/licensed distributor clearly prohibits you within the limits of the license they provide with the purchase. that is their right if they CHOOSE to do so.
anyone creating media can appreciate this right. it encourages innovation on the part of the author

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