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Censoring Pirate Sites Doesn’t Work, Researchers Find

A new study released by researchers from Boston’s Northeastern University shows that censoring “pirate” sites by blocking or seizing their domains is ineffective. The researchers looked at the availability of various pirated media on file-hosting sites and found that uploaders post more new content than copyright holders can take down. A better solution, according to the researchers, is to block the money streams that flow to these sites.

censorshipThe file-sharing landscape has often been described as a hydra. Take one site down, and several new ones will take its place.

Blocking or censoring sites and files may have a short-lived effect, but it does very little to decrease the availability of pirated content on the Internet.

Researchers from Boston’s Northeastern University carried out a study to see how effective various anti-piracy measures are. They monitored thousands of files across several popular file-hosting services and found, among other things, that DMCA notices are a drop in the ocean.

The researchers show that file-hosting services such as Uploaded, Wupload, RapidShare and Netload disable access to many files after receiving DMCA takedown notices, but that this does little to decrease the availability of pirated content.

Similarly, the researchers find evidence that the Megaupload shutdown did little to hinder pirates. On the contrary, the file-hosting landscape became more diverse with uploaders spreading content over hundreds of services.

“There is a cat-and-mouse game between uploaders and copyright owners, where pirated content is being uploaded by the former and deleted by the latter, and where new One-Click Hosters and direct download sites are appearing while others are being shut down,” the researchers write.

“Currently, this game seems to be in favour of the many pirates who provide far more content than what the copyright owners are taking down,” they conclude.

The study also looked at the number of sites where copyrighted content is available. The researchers scraped the popular file-hosting search engine FilesTube and found that there were nearly 10,000 distinct domain names and 5,000 IP-addresses where alleged pirate content was hosted.

For example, a search for “dvdrip” returned results on 1,019 different domains using 702 distinct IP-addresses.


Availability of “pirated” media on file-hosting sites

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From the above the researchers conclude that anti-piracy measures aimed at reducing the availability of pirated content are less effective than often suggested. A more fruitful approach, they argue, may be to take away their ability to process payments, through PayPal or credit card processors.

This is already happening widely, especially with file-hosting services that offer affiliate programs. However, as the researchers rightfully note there are also many perfectly legitimate file-hosting services that operate within the boundaries of the law and can’t be simply cut off.

The researchers end with the now common mantra that when it comes to online piracy, innovation often trumps legislation.

“Given our findings that highlight the difficulties of reducing the supply of pirated content, it appears to be promising to follow a complementary strategy of reducing the demand for pirated content, e.g., by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”

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  • Derp

    They’ll block the money stream? Then we’ll use Bitcoin!

    • ThE_TrutH

      if they block bitcoin ???
      if one has money to buy pirated file why dont he pay for original content
      seriously who pays for pirated

      • Fredrik

        What the? You don’t pay for pirated software/music/movies…
        Either they pay $4.50 for full dl speed, and storage like on mediafire, or they pay nothing, but the owner has lot’s of ads, wich create income, like on The Pirate Bay.

        Either way, it’s way cheaper than buying everything at retail price.

        • dondilly

          Exactly, it isnt pirated content you pay for.

          The referal/reward system on many lockers is in itself legitimate.

          There are sites out there producing audio blogs and lgitimately use lockersites of this type to store their audio blog archive. It saves hosting costs on their main site while also generating a small revenue to hep with hosting costs.

          It is dangerous to deduce that a locker is targeted towards piracy merely for having a referal scheme. They should only go on whether dmca notices are acted on.

        • ThE_TrutH

          mediafire , pirate bay never asked for money to download files

      • Anyone

        bitcoin can’t be blocked, just like math can’t be blocked

        • Guest

          Petty flagging going on again

          Where the hell are these IP bans that the moderators promised? :@

        • DJ

          Do you go to Bitcoin with cash and then how do Bitcoin transfer the money to the piracy sites? Unless it’s cash it can be stopped, yes some are harder than others.

      • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

        in the UK people pay a lot of money for pirated goods on car boot fairs, among other places, these people are true leeches of the worst kind yet everyday they go on doing the same old same old. so yes people do pay for pirated goods, and yet, wait a minute, what is this? oh yeah, who gives a damn, not trading standards, not the local council, who monitor these lowlifes, oh no, they just collect their share of the game, and turn the other way. what a shambles i tell you

      • http://wojt.eu Wojtek Kruszewski

        “Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet.” “unfortunately, from Tuesday 15 January 2013 we are no longer able to provide radio streaming to you due to licensing restrictions, and you will no longer be able to listen to Last.fm radio. ” “we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S., Australia and New Zealand.” “Please note that AmazonMP3.com is currently only available to US customers.” “Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States. Hulu is committed to making its content available worldwide.”

        • Sense

          I don’t know what world are you living but you know that it’s not mandatory that your live physically in the US. It’s all about the ip address range dedicated to a country that is blocked.

          You can use many services to have an US ip address and see the US content…

          I thought everybody knew that ;)

        • tonyj123

          There was even a extremely stupid problem with watching the series How I Met Your Mother on Hulu due to licensing restrictions in the U.S. The series was allowed on one type of set top box like the PS3, but wasn’t allowed on another like the Wii, it was completely idiotic.

        • Nick6027

          i hate posters face for watching how i met your mother

        • Voiceofreason

          I’m not sure what world YOU’RE living in, but bypassing geographic restrictions STILL COUNTS as piracy.

        • Pelham123

          “bypassing geographic restrictions STILL COUNTS as piracy.”

          Some people argue that “piracy” in which the user pays the content provider is morally OK even when it’s illegal.

          My opinion on the subject can be summed up in one word: shrug.

        • http://wojt.eu Wojtek Kruszewski

          “You can use many services to have an US ip address and see the US content… I thought everybody knew that ;)”

          Some of those services require a credit card with US address. I recall that with Amazon MP3 you could bypass this by buying gift cards, registering with fake US address and using gift cards. Easy or not, I don’t want to do this.

          Plus, I find those restrictions kind of insulting. If copyright owners don’t want to do business with me, I don’t want to do business with them.

      • Guest

        You are wrong twice.

        1) Typically nobody is buying “pirated file” but web sites accept donations or advertise for paying for bandwidth like the Pirate Bay. (Notice that the pirate bay is much less dependent on money since the magnet link and the walk away from trackers. In despite of the lies propagated by the corporate criminals you are working for the Pirate bay was is and will remain non-profit.)

        2) You can not block bitcoin no more than you can block Emule or Limewire Pirate edition or ant or winy. . . Bitcoin my replace not only Paypal but also the entire banking industry.

        Also you should be ashamed of yourself for working for corporation of antisocial psychopaths, lowlifes and extremists and for spreading you fake opinions and disinformation on their behalves and for receiving money for it.

        FUCK YOU!

        • bobmail

          1) “donations” are similar in nature to hookers who ask for a “donation” instead of payment for services. Mostly it’s a legal dodge that doesn’t stand up to challenges, because the intent remains the same. If you have to “donate” to get access, you didn’t donate anything – you purchased access.

          1a) The pirate bay is much less dependent on money because they key players made their cash (very well hidden). However, the site is still a cash cow, making a ton of money for whoever is holding it at the moment, and it is likely financing The Pirate Party directly or indirectly at this point.

          2) You most certainly can block them. You can make it illegal for people to convert it into cash or to purchase them to start with (see US poker rules to understand more). When there is no simple way to get money INTO the system, and no simple way to get OUT of the system, the value of bitcoins sinks to nothing.

          “Also you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting groups of antisocial psychopaths, lowlifes and extremists and for spreading you fake opinions and disinformation on their behalves”

          Yup, take your own advice.

        • ThE_TrutH

          first a big FUCK YOU
          next real uploader never gets profit by file sharing site
          some idiots like you make use of it and reupload them in to make money
          e.g aXXo ripper
          if you have internet search for it
          again FUCK YOU im not working for corporation…. im a current uploader in “tpb” and was uploaded many file than u shited in toilet in your whole life in “demonoid”. so i know how money system work in internet sharing
          now go to school regularly and drink your milk shake

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @bobmail

          1: “Mostly it’s a legal dodge that doesn’t stand up to challenges, because the intent remains the same.”

          Not exactly. Your irrelevant straw man to the side, whether or not money changes hands is a rather crucial piece of evidence. You just argued that a paid-for dinner-movie-sex date would be identical to prostitution, legally speaking. It’s not.

          1a: “However, the site is still a cash cow, making a ton of money for whoever is holding it at the moment, and it is likely financing The Pirate Party directly or indirectly at this point.”

          Given that no one has even managed to prove that the pirate bay makes ANY money, that’s a rather wild statement. Does your crystal ball give a number?

          Oh, and re the Pirate Party? Shove it. The Pirate Party in Sweden is actually very transparent with how it is funded – and if you have ANY indications other than your personal conviction that said funds are provided by any vested interest, then prove it or kindly shut the f**k up, slanderer. Nice try at guilt-by-association. Again. Do you take lessons from Nejtillpirater here?

          2) “You most certainly can block them. You can make it illegal for people to convert it into cash or to purchase them to start with (see US poker rules to understand more). When there is no simple way to get money INTO the system, and no simple way to get OUT of the system, the value of bitcoins sinks to nothing.”

          You missed the last fifty years of fiscal evolution, it seems. Here’s a clue – some 90% of the electronic currency currently being accepted as bank transfers never leave the system to be converted into physical form. Ever.
          Because, for all intents and purposes, every other currency is a fiat currency – just like bitcoin.

          What Bitcoin currently lacks is stability. Stability is gained by user base. Once that critical mass is achieved, no force on earth can prevent it from turning into a currency in all respects equivalent to, say, the electronic dollars and euros transmitted back and forth by paypal, mastercard and visa.

          And all that stability requires is enough micro transactions made by enough people. We’re rapidly getting there. You obviously slept through basic social education in grade school.

          “Yup, take your own advice.”

          This, right after providing the argument that voluntary sex equals prostitution and a thinly veiled attempt at guilt-by-association? The irony is delicious.

    • Bitcoin

      block the money stream and torrent magnet hashes will appear all over the net.
      Or we all move to E2DK (or similar) for torrent data distribution.

      Blocking the money stream will not stop File sharing.
      Not with DHT and the ability to easily create popup sites full of magnets.
      TPB is only a 50mb siterip.

      • albie

        It’s difficult to totally block sites,but very easy to block same sites from receiving money.You’re right about ed2k it’s safer.

      • Who

        “we all move to E2DK” Ummmm were do you think torrents originated from.
        P2P started by using the nutella networks. now your stupid for using them now as they are monitored by the RIAA/MPAA/FBI/and who knows.

      • bobmail

        “Blocking the money stream will not stop File sharing.”

        If you try to think of it in absolute terms (all or nothing), you are correct. There will always be some file sharing. However, you have to understand that the vast majority of file sharing sites out there right now (such as torrent search sites) exist because they are profitable. They almost all have common money making features, from banners ads to “fast download” links, and so on. Remove the economic motivation, and the file trading community would shrink dramatically, possibly to the point of not being viable for the most part.

        Even those site operators who claim to be altruistic and only in it for “free speech” or whatever crock they come up with cannot keep sites up without income. Servers cost money, bandwidth costs money, and without some reliable source of income, they fold, plain and simple.

        In an absolute sense, you cannot stop file sharing. I don’t think anyone has that goal anyway.

    • bobmail

      Bitcoin is very likely to be the next “regulated” thing. It’s use as a method to pay for less than legit transactions will bring it into focus in front of various governments, who will seek to regulate it in the same manner that the regulate any other money transfer industry.

      • UnEarthing_Truth

        Haven’t you ever did a transaction via Bitcoin…Don’t you know that you can do an anonymous Bitcoin transaction within TOR network.
        And you said “various governments, who will seek to regulate it(i.e. Bitcoin) in the same manner”
        Sorry, did you meant “regulating” TOR…
        All the best ;) :sarcasm:

        • Gyhgyhgihfy

          Bit coin is already very (not completely) anonymous and resistant against censorship and government efforts to regulate the network, you don’t really need to tor over that, use a VPN if you’re that paranoid.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “regulated”…how, black magic?

        I must say, you, Anon and Nejtillpirater keep right on consistently dreaming up scenarios for which even the technology of Star Trek wouldn’t have a chance.

        If Bitcoin manages to assemble a user mass, you quite literally stand with one set of regulation possible. You can choose to have the internet switched on – or off.

        Only in the second option will bitcoin transactions not be unhindered.

    • OneEyedWillie

      Let them try to block the money stream. It will keep them busy for the next few years. :) It also will be a terrible waste of time, effort and money but they don’t seem to care about that apparently.

    • Bananas

      online bank transfers are as easy as credit cards

      • Bananas

        but the fees for international transfer are unreasonable, locally it works great

    • Damian Jennings

      Until they hit Bitcoin. don’t kid yourself it can’t be done. Unless you take cash to the seller, it can be stopped.

  • Mamamija

    we knew it already long time ago…

  • retaliate

    Record profits during a “piracy epidemic” = Hollywood full of shit.

    They’ve been thinking that money controls everything for a long time… and they’ve been repeatedly proven wrong by the Internet for over a decade now. – You can invest in a hash-exploit sabotage operation (until people outsmart you and evolve), you can bribe politicians (but the evolution of decentralized networks, etc. make that a waste of money), you can try to sue everyone (resulting in bad PR, making martyrs out of Tenenbaum, Thomas, et al – and failing to cause the panic and fear the industry had hoped for), you can try to dictate laws globally (until eventually everything is part of a darknet.)

    You get the idea… for the foreseeable future – their tools (lobbyists, finance, coercing law-makers, sue-em-all campaigns, 3/6 strike systems, etc.) are as powerful as they’ve been during the last 10 years. – Over 99% of us have evaded or mitigated these efforts and we already have the technology for the next phase of this futile, seemingly endless battle – we just haven’t moved on yet because necessity hasn’t forced our “critical mass” on to such technology.

    • Andrew Lee

      Yeah it is going to backfire in their faces as some are already starting to find out.

      “The federal courts are not cogs in plaintiff’s copyright enforcement business model. The Court will not idly watch what is essentially an extortion scheme, for a case that plaintiff has no intention of bringing to trial.”
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130107/01121821590/company-behind-adam-eve-discovers-quickly-that-courts-are-now-hip-to-copyright-trolling.shtml

      The key line for me is “what is essentially an extortion scheme”

      They should lock their asses up and make a fucking example out of them because it’s about damn time. Who will be first? Don’t know but I really hope it’s Chris Dodd!

      I would say Charles Carreon but we all know he’s took one hell of a beating from the internet this last year. Shit I almost feel sorry for him, almost.

  • icec0ld

    In other news:
    Humans need oxygen to breath! A remarkable break through in common sense. Researchers turn their eyes to the next big mystery of human necessity: Food.

    No really, this should surprise absolutely no one. When one opts out of the market it creates an opening for the more opportunistic entrepreneurs to step in and refill the market. This is a cycle we see in all places relateable to economics.

    As is the common saying of Pirates: one goes down, at least 3 or 4 times as many will show up to take over and I’m fairly sure that a Goverment has neither the time or money to legislate sites out of existence faster than they can pop up.

  • dondilly

    Trying to block the money might have some impact on locker sites as they are clearly set up as ‘ for profit’ concerns.

    That said, we have seen dmca abiding locker sites getting hit by visa/mastercard/paypal blockades just because they are locker sites or merely because they receive takedowns irrespective of whether they are acted on so the collateral damage to law abiding sites and users would be off scale.

    As for torrent sites, as they host nothing other than tiny torrent files (if that), they use far less resources and relatively can be run on a shoestring and most when it comes to it are not for profit and far easier to cover costs even with a blockade.

    Advertisers that want to target the torrent audience will always find a way. It reminds me of the futility of the UKs wireless and telegraphy act in the 60s which banned uk companies from advertising or servicing offshore pirate radio stations. It didnt stop advertisers from outside the uk nor foreign banks and the stations played on with uk companies losing business and advertising opportunities.

    The only thing that eventually killed the stations was when the uk gov opened the airwaves for commercial radio and also the state run bbc being less stuffy and launching radio1 (with most of pirate DJs). In other words the gov had to compete with rather than legislate against pirates.

    Same applies today, there has to be a change in business model if they want to see change.

    • guess who

      a brilliant example. and the beeb, by way of recrutiing john peel, did more for the music industry than the music industry will ever admit. if it wasn’t for him, there’d have been no madness, t-rex and many many more.

      rip john peel.

  • NemesisPrime

    So they’ve come to the conclusion blocking sites doesn’t work…

    So what else is new?

    • NEW (breaking news)

      Blocking the money streams doesn’t work either !

        
       
       
       
      It will take them a few years to realize that.

  • Research

    this “research” is bullshit, seriously who searches for stuff like that, bunch of 12 year olds? ddl is dead and only after your money.

    • DDL Forever

      “this “research” is bullshit, seriously who searches for stuff like that, bunch of 12 year olds? ddl is dead and only after your money.”

      Both right and wrong. It’s true that the cyberlocker market is to say it least not very honest, and Wjunction has a lot of fly by night scammers, but last I checked Bayfiles, 4shared, Zippyshare were still around.

      DDL is good if (1) you don’t have symmetric bandwidth for uploading 24-7, and (2) You don’t want to expose your IP in case you live under a system like the six strikes or Hadopi or (3) You want to offer the same file for downloading by non techsavvy users.

      However, the affiliate programs offering money to uploaders were already legally and economically dubious before the Megaupload shutdown, and I remember that Wupload yanked their program even before January 2012.

  • Deebeedooh

    Something tells me that one of those researchers was Captain Obvious.

  • downunder

    Weong again research.. simple solution is making content available either freely or cheaply world wide in mp4 non drm format

    simple eh

    • syloker

      more simple is

      The artist may have composed his/her masterpiece back in 1960′s and his/her grandchildren expect to live off it in the 21st century. This is crazy! I understand the artists have to be paid for their work but…40 Euros for a Beatles album? Or 70 dollars US, on Amazon, for a Herman Kahn book written in 1959? Seriously? Come on! No artist or writer ever was that good!
      I would suggest that all sorts of artists/performers/writers/entertainers be allowed to make profit from their work for the first 5-10 years after it hits the market. After which time, their work becomes public property to be obtained and traded for free. That not only would make their products more affordable to the wider masses it would also make artists more productive, since they won’t be able to retire millionaires at the ripe old age of 25 anymore.

      • SoundnuoS

        @syloker

        Just a few alternate povs.

        About inheritance: Do you also think it’s crazy that children can inherit their parent’s houses, or their parent’s farm, or their parent’s company, or their parent’s shares in a company?

        Loads of Beatles albums available for 14 € or less on amazon.

        About 25 year old millionaires and affordability:

        I know that the millionaire story is the one everyone wants to hear, but the reality for 99% of musicians, even fairly well known ones, is very different. The “regular” musicians generally need money from a number of different streams, including recording sales, in order to make a living.

        The old joke about music is: “How do you make a million with a career in music? You start with two”.

        And if someone makes something so ridiculously popular among tens of millions of people that he / she would be able to retire at 25, why shouldn’t they be allowed to, if they wish?
        It makes the market open up for new actors producing new stuff.

        What no one ever seems to think about is that the sale of records, movies and books is a remarkably democratic way of selling art.
        It spreads the cost out among everyone buying. Something very popular will automatically be of higher value than something less popular, with more people buying.

        It is crowd funding after the fact, with the publisher assuming all the risks.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “About inheritance: Do you also think it’s crazy that children can inherit their parent’s houses, or their parent’s farm, or their parent’s company, or their parent’s shares in a company?”

          When person A inherits the right to dictate what the rest of the world may not do with their own property from person B the main issue is that whatever is inherited is not property and abides by no normal property law.

          Indeed, “copyright” means privileges granted over everyone else. At the expense of everyone else. It’s blisteringly insane to begin with, even assuming 5-10 years of protection. The Berne convention placed said protection at life +50 which is insane. And the current terms are even worse.

          Copyright has simply, up until the invention of a true mass communications media, been the least bad of two evils – the other being no commercial protection at all.

          What you can inherit – legally – is property. Control over ideas or information shouldn’t even be discussed.

        • SoundnuoS

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I’ll repeat this again: paying 10-20 $/€ for a record / movie goes nowhere even near to cover even the cost of production. It is silly to expect having the right to redistribute them at that price.
          No one can can claim property rights to the content for such a low sum, they remain with the creator.

          This also bears repeating:

          What no one ever seems to think about is that the sale of records, movies and books is a remarkably democratic way of selling art.
          It spreads the cost out among everyone buying. Something very popular will automatically be of higher value than something less popular, with more people buying.

          It is crowd funding after the fact, with the publisher assuming all the risks.
          —–

          Why would the invention of a true mass communications media justify the greater evil – no commercial protection at all?
          Which is what allowing free copying of copyrighted works would amount to.

  • Anonymous

    we already knew that. now there is proof from independent researchers. best reasons of all for the entertainment industries to carry on doing it. they have always done whatever is the opposite to using sense!

    • joexxx

      Do you need a proof from an independent researcher to know that water is wet?

      • guess who

        funny you should say that. a while back, here in england, there was a court case against a mineral water company because the add said ‘may help against dehydration.’ i seem to recal experts testifying that it wouldn’t! wtf?

  • http://twitter.com/ArmEagle ArmEagle

    Huh, how did you get to that wrong conclusion in the introduction? “A better solution, according to the researchers, is to block the money streams that flow to these sites.”

    The article says there are also legitimate services that you cannot just cut off – so that’s not really an option.

    Hence why they end with: “providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.” A correct ending of the introduction should reflect that.

    But I guess the writer just wanted to spike interest in people reading the article.

  • Kalium

    Are these researchers right in that attractive legitimate offers will reduce piracy? Yes, for much if not all piracy is done because of unavailability of certain content. Unfortunately, the dinosaurs at MAFIAA have very warped ideas about what are attractive legitimate offers. Their stuff comes either with unrealistically high prices, or with too much junk (ads, warnings,etc.) to justifty the price.
    Will the dinosaurs at the MAFIAA will listen to them? Most likely not, because they are too arrogant to realise that state systems have more important things to do than police the ‘Net for them. They’re asking for the state to protect their outdated business model to the detriment of everybody else; that’s unwarranted self-importance on the part of a whole industry. Sooner or later this will bite them hard in the arse, and we’ll be here to laugh our arses off at their downfall.

    • ForestSilverwood

      I still don’t see why cable TV has so many ads when it costs so much. I mean, I can understand some ads, but 50% of the time plus, filled with ads? That ain’t worth paying money for. Should be free.

      • bobmail

        Not sure what planet you live on that have 50% or more ads. Don’t pay for it if you don’t like it – but don’t take that as permission to pirate it either.

    • dondilly

      One excellent example of piracy due to lack of availabily was the demand and sale of pirate decoders for the filmnet satellite movie channel during the 1980s. To say film censorship in the uk at the ti m e was overzealous would be an understatement. The channel was not uplinked from the uk nor could you subscribe in the uk.

      Typically satellite receivers are provided free by Sky so at the time, those buying pirate filmnet decoders in the uk already had a sky subscription . Given the choice they would much rather have subscribed to the uncut filmnet legally rather than pay for the censored sky movies.

  • Midas

    That conclusion, told you so.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    welp, when i read title, i though “oh, fucking finally some clever research that will say something like – availability, better price etc”, but eh, guess not . another lame shit

  • http://profiles.google.com/pianogamer Knut Harald

    Even if money blocking “worked”, you would only cut of the commercial sharing, which would just empower the much more resilient non-commercial sharing… not exactly a master plan.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t know you had to be a researcher to point out the obvious.

    It’s like the example I use at work about locks and burglars.

    “You can put a thousand locks on your door, but if they want in bad enough, you can guarantee they will get past those locks”

    But if it’s information (Data, etc) they want, you can bet your hiny that they will find a way to get it.

  • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”

    nope, it still didn’t go in, try again

    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”
    “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”

    nope, must be some wax in there, just pass that by me again.

    • Guest

      What sort of “legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers” than “free” would you suggest?

      • Anyone

        despite it being quite easy these days once you have set up your client and/or seedboxes torrents can still be a hassle, especially for inexperienced users

        for many people offering downloads that max out their line would be reason enough to pay something extra

        for people that have a job time is usually more valuable than money, so they will pay for a better experience

        of course, if the “official” offer is riddled with DRM, unskippable ads and FBI warnings, region locking etc. the “unofficial” offer is much more attractive for more reasons than just being free

        but if we look at the latest attempt from the MAFIAA, UltraViolet, it seems they have not yet learned this lesson

        • Guest

          Thanks. Though I see you didn’t actually answer the question.

        • Anyone

          it’s not my job to come up with a business model for the MAFIAA

        • Pelham123

          Guest: He answered the question. “Free” can be marketed against, especially when the “free” option is as awkward and dysfunctional as file-sharing can be.

          Cooking is free but people still go to restaurants. You can sleep under a bush for free and yet motels stay in business. They charge for a preferable option.

          The only roadblock in this case is some content providers’ belief that they are entitled to having the “how” spoonfed to them. Also, the idea that there is more money and power to be had through litigation and legislation than sales.

        • Guest

          @ Anyone. You’re right. Thankfully it’s not your job to think up a business model for the MAFIAA because clearly you have no idea of business.

          @Pelham123. Cooking is not “Free”. It requires power, ingredients etc – all of which have to be bought / invested in or paid for. Sleeping under a bush may, in certain contexts, be free but for the greater part it’s illegal (vagrancy). Motels exist not because they “charge for a preferable option” but because they charge foir a service which is valued.

          Enough with the analogies.

          Back to Anyones original complaint. What if the “official” offering wasn’t “riddled with DRM, unskippable ads and FBI warnings, region locking etc.” How would it compete with “free”?

        • austinhamman

          @guest
          “Back to Anyones original complaint. What if the “official” offering wasn’t “riddled with DRM, unskippable ads and FBI warnings, region locking etc.” How would it compete with “free”? ”
          by releasing a product that is more convenient than downloading. as an example:
          netflix sells for access to videos using their streaming service, if you have payed any attention to torrent sites you will find the tv shows available on netflix or to a less extend hulu tend to be less prevalent on torrent sites (i have seen series which have long standing support on torrent sites die off when netflix releases them on their streaming service.) this isn’t because they fear netflix or because netflix legislated them away, netflix offered a better service (you can have it NOW instead of having it whenever your download finishes) and an acceptable price (if they charged for each time you watched a video torrents would still be more attractive)

          also there is more to cost than monetary price, there is also the cost of convenience, having something available RIGHT NOW reduces the convenience cost to the user, while things like having to go to a store to buy it, having to download a large file for a good quality video, or having to wait months before something that aired in another country becomes available in your country, increases the convenience cost. so if you are a content provider and you want to compete against the monetary cost of “free” then you have to beat their convenience cost. netflix is doing that nicely so is itunes other companies should probably catch the hint.

        • Guest

          @ Austinhamman.

          “if you have payed any attention to torrent sites you will find the tv shows available on netflix or to a less extend hulu tend to be less prevalent on torrent sites (i have seen series which have long standing support on torrent sites die off when netflix releases them on their streaming service.) this isn’t because they fear netflix or because netflix legislated them away, netflix offered a better service (you can have it NOW instead of having it whenever your download finishes)”

          This could just as easily be explained away by the fact that by the time Netflix or Hulu get around to making the content available via their services the torrent sites have already provided the content (for free).

          Your position is further undermined by the fact that you subsequently state “..netflix is doing that nicely so is itunes”. Both of these services are dependant on content availability (ie “release delay”) yet you praise them having previously cited the release delay as a problematic “convenience cost” factor.

          Which is it?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Guest

          “@Pelham123. Cooking is not “Free”. It requires power, ingredients etc – all of which have to be bought / invested in or paid for. “

          You mean just as in filesharing where computer, electricity and hardware have all been bought and paid for?

          “Enough with the analogies.”

          Because you are having trouble adapting any of the reasonable ones as a suitably reality-detached bat for you to swing?

          “Back to Anyones original complaint. What if the “official” offering wasn’t “riddled with DRM, unskippable ads and FBI warnings, region locking etc.” How would it compete with “free”?”

          Evian.

          For details, go take marketing 101 and in particular note the lesson “Brand sells”. This is why political-minded pirates are agreed that non-commercial filesharing is a separate beast from the very bad idea of brand fraud.

      • dondilly

        Put it this way. If the figures the MAFIAA put forward regarding pirate bay are to be believed, they have a web presence ‘legal’ media sites could only dream of and make millions in ad revenue even though they are severely limited to where the ads come from (in other words current ad revenue is a fraction of its potential). Add to that most of TPBs dedicated staff (like other p2p sites) work for free. It shows that free could be highly profitable and certainly more sustainable than the current MAFIAA model.

        The problem the mafiaa has is that artists can do this themselves and dont need MAFIAA middlemen grabbing 95% of their revenue.

        • Guest

          “The problem the mafiaa has is that artists can do this themselves and dont need MAFIAA middlemen grabbing 95% of their revenue.”

          This statement is entirely self contradictory. If artists do actually do it themselves in the true sense and have no interaction with the mafiaa then the mafiaa have no claim on their income. It’s not a “problem” for the mafiaa, it’s a simple choice for artists to make.

      • icec0ld

        I’d gladly buy movies instead of torrent them, when I can buy them at a price that reflects the savings induced by not relying on physical and hardcopies of the film and store them in a form I have access to as well as unlimited access to said film I have purchased.

        Till then, the pirated versions will always be more far more attractive than a legit purpose.

      • Guest

        “What sort of “legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers” than “free” would you suggest?”

        Low priced media that directly gives artists at least 90% of the profit, with no DRM or regional lockout bullshit, and generous previews.

        Boom, done.

        • Guest

          “Low priced media that directly gives artists at least 90% of the profit”

          Can you cite specifics please re cost / profit and distribution of same that might work? I’m particularly interested in the “90% of the profit” breakdown on a “low priced media” and how the initial outlay might possibly be recouped on that particular basis.

      • Who

        Honestly would you rather pay $25-35 for a new release on bluray or $10?
        I mean $10 for the bluray+dvd+extras+digital copy. maybe even $15 for the 3D version of the film with all that included. that sounds like a fair deal to me. as far as old movies $3-5. just simply eliminate dvd video by its self to reduce cost.

        its easy to figure this crap out but because of STUPID people bitching about stupid crap we got the industries bending everybody over and sticking it in with NO lubrication.

        • Guest

          That wasn’t the question. The question was how to compete effectively with free,

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Guest

          Evian.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        You mean the way Evian sells people a bottle of water at a few hundred times the price paid by people possessing, oh, a tap?

        Marketing 101? Brand sells.

    • bobmail

      “by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”

      It won’t happen, for a very simple reason:

      pirate sites don’t pay for their content. They don’t pay to create it, they don’t pay to produce it, they don’t pay to bring it to market. They let the content companies do all that, then they steal a copy and give it away for free without any up front costs.

      Quite simply, it is very hard (if not impossible) to complete with your own sole product type being given away for free.

      If the pirate sites were paying to license the stuff, they wouldn’t be giving it away for free either. So your entire argument is pretty much moot, because there isn’t any real way to compete on such an unlevel playing field.

      The funny part? If the content companies stop producing (because there isn’t enough money in it) your beloved pirate sites lose their content too. When all you have left is pirate sites, you won’t have the content your really want. Piracy in the end is self-defeating.

      • Guest

        Yes, piracy has ravaged the dying industry as it has for years. The industry is dead and we’re all irreparably deprived of new content.

        Right?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Too true. No new music was made in those 50 years since the cassette tape was invented. At least none worth listening to.

          According to bobmail.

      • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

        so google provides chrome for free and they are sleeping under a cardboard box in some subway. yep sounds about right.
        so we get a local paper through the door for free and that publisher doesn’t drive around town in a bently and own the most expensive house in the county
        so amazon don’t sell the hd kindle at a $20.00 dollar loss and pay their employees with matchsticks and toilet rolls
        so so so so……………………………………..
        sorry to disagree with you mr Robert mail but you are very wrong indeed my enemy

  • Who

    “Pirated content has higher quality” NOPE incorrect.
    most of the time movies encoded with xvid or x264 use MUCH lower bit-rates than the original source and Unless you happen to download a LARGE x264 rip or xvid you are getting shit quality compared to the original.
    dvd rips @ 300-1500mb with xvid will be shit quality compared to a dvd5 or dvd9 @ 4000-8000gb. or bluray rips @ 3000-8000gb with x264 will be shit quality compared to a 17000+gb full bluray movie.

    Umm.DRM still exist in rips just not to many.

  • Who

    I told ya that they were stupid. people tell them that blocking don’t work for what @ least 5+years and NOW they just admit to it LOL. all that money they make and they refuse to pay for a good education. typical for rich people. they think just because they are rich they don’t need anything but money.

  • Guest

    breaking news my ass

  • xpmule

    Asynchronous war !

    Like how Russia was driven out of Afghanistan years ago and how insurgents are fighting US troops.

    As long as we keep up pace they are doomed.
    They take down one site and we add 12 more.
    The question is who has more resources to continue the fight ?
    The winner is who has the most men alive at the end.

    We will not be stopped and we barely even started to fight the war !
    And when we get more of the general public on our side ..look out !

    They should be VERY worried if we get organized like they are already.
    These Trolls here such as Nej has even admitted they know they can’t stop us and all they hope to do is disrupt our operations.

    Who will be the winner ?

    I think the file sharers around the world will be the winner ..in time.

  • BuildBetterServices

    Why don’t they HIJACK the money streams, by actually making content available for a decent price? I’d use it.

  • TheOiulkj

    The part about uploaders spreading across filesharing sites is actually pretty interesting since I’ve definitely seen that happening. Back when megaupload was around you’d just have a single megaupload link and if that was down you’re left to find a torrent, but now everyone posts like 5 alternatives.

  • ScrewEwe2

    “Censoring Pirate Sites Doesn’t Work…”

    I wasn’t aware of that. Thank You researchers. I wonder if they could do some research and find out what that big round, usually whitish colored thing is in the sky at night. Sometimes it’s round and sometimes, not so much.

    • Trollywood_Researchers_Group

      Yay….We found it after much hardwork/research(IOW getting much funds from MAFIAA)…It’s called as Moon!!

      • ScrewEwe2

        Thank you researchers. The Moon? Interesting.

  • Nick6027

    sites run at a loss for a longggggg time if they think they can sell out for somehting at the end so income blocking wont work amigo
    the real solution is to brainwash a billion earthlings that they didnt waste money on tshirts and tapes then cd’s though the 90′s when you milked us. you had your turn industry. this is our turn.

  • Dhruaw

    “Given our findings that highlight the difficulties of reducing the supply of pirated content, it appears to be promising to follow a complementary strategy of reducing the demand for pirated content, e.g., by providing legitimate offers that are more attractive to consumers than pirating content.”

    Exactly right, Boston.

  • foff

    Why don’t we just hijack all the money streams like pay pal and steal money like they do. Funny how since they determine the money was from pirate sites it is ok for them to keep. How did they become a law unto themselves anyway.

    Why do universities pay people to do silly research like this. A monkey could have come up with this conclusion. My conclusion is that the mafiaa ought to just give the fuck up on censorship. So they shut down torrent sites in the US did that stop any piracy? No one in the US torrents anymore right? There is no world government so being aggressive in the US simple shifts piracy to other places where they can’t really control it.

    Trying to cut off money streams will simply cause them to shift to other places. Why do you think banking havens exist in this world. I really don’t why a competitor of paypal has not appeared. I see a big business opportunity in processing payments anonymously.

    • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

      The REAL solution is that someone out there hacks Paypal and they lose 100′s of Millions of $$$ that they can NEVER recover because the people doing the hacking cover their tracks so good that even after 100 years the fucking FBI shitheads still have NO clue who did it. That is the only way those assholes at Paypal and Hollywood are going to realize that they aren’t shit and are FUCT……

  • Hippi

    Duh….I could have told you this 10 years ago.

  • Nodawg

    U no say?

  • L33t

    Scene never asked for the money when they release a crack , a keygen , a dvdrip or bdrip, or TS or any material… they do it for fun.. but in the middle of some where those material becomes a way to earn money. you don’t believe me Ask AxxO or iMAGiNE or CORE or BRD or SND or LOL

  • TF_Scam_Detector

    Hey Asshole, why are your links so SCAMmy ??
    What’s qr.net doing in TF domain!!

  • Andrew me

    Many comments here, I think they have tried the payment blocking , it has failed as the people torrenting are just using other methods to pay. I for one am rather happy with the way things are going, although i do think torrent sites should not be making millions in profit, it is fine to make enough to pay for costs but when a torrent site is making a lot of money they honestly should be paying something to the creators, the problem is that the creators do not have any system set up for people to pay , other than where they demand to know what money you have made and want to take 100%.

  • Kawli

    imho the federal research dollars would be better spent on how to stop the stream of botnet parasites who turn innocent users into slaves and earn money for spammers and virus injectors. p2p file sharers are not doing it for money… they just dont get that

  • Tf

    Bitcoin will be the new Currency of sites blocked by payment processors.. Once they get more common,…

  • Guest

    fucking spam bot

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  • bigdog

    I love reading all the crazy ideas people have in these comments. It’s awesome to see other people’s opinions on these subjects.

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