Comments on: Code Aims to Quell New Zealand “3 Strikes” Fears

By: 3 Count: 50% Off | PlagiarismToday

3 Count: 50% Off | PlagiarismToday — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:03:06 +0000

[...] for a “one strike” approach, something that was very controversial for obvious reasons, recent drafts of how the process would work have fleshed out a more “three-strikes” approach with much more narrow [...]

By: X-Man

X-Man — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:27:44 +0000

I dont think ISP’s will be losing out too much… Copyright holders are to pay a fee when notifying the ISP of infringement… For every notice. Depending how much that is, we may have lost already.

I smell some nasty people making a hell of a lot of money.

By: Loop-holes in the new law

Loop-holes in the new law — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:51:02 +0000

Okay how to beat section 92A of the copyright amendment act laws

1 use a proxy (there are heaps of free proxy services which will mask your IP address. Also use ananonymous network/vpn service – both these measures will greatly reduce your detectability

2 use a tommizone router which should potentially make you ISP as defined by the guidelines(who are exempt from being disconnected), giving you sufficient grounds to dispute any copyright abuse claims

3 become an essential service (selling milk is considered an essential service). Simply put a sign outside your gate and you’re also exaempt from disconnection

By: vag

vag — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:50:35 +0000

if it happens their will be no internet in nz lol

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Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:24:21 +0000

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By: ISPs neo-zelandeses pretendem colocar travões a lei da resposta gradual | Remixtures

Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:02:12 +0000

[...] de Telecomunicações (TCF) publicaram ontem um projecto de código de conduta do Copyright (via TorrentFreak) que estabelece uma série de procedimentos a seguir na aplicação da resposta gradual [...]

By: Yogi

Yogi — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:25:30 +0000

Fight_the_Tyranny:

yeah, you’re right, I guess, but still – what about the pretense? Shouldn’t that be kept up so the population won’t begin to feel uncomfortable?

By: 4 years and counting | Delusions of Grandeur

4 years and counting | Delusions of Grandeur — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:12:06 +0000

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By: Fight_the_Tyranny

Fight_the_Tyranny — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:15:57 +0000

That’s because it was never really a true democracy. In fact most supposedly democratic nations are merely dressed up dictatorships whose ruling elite drive all decision making.

You get one vote (every 4 years US, even less in europe). Then your only choice is which party will dictate for the next x years. True democracy involves the people in decision making; our so called democracies are nothing but a species of deception.

By: Yogi

Yogi — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:24:14 +0000

How did NZ get so fucked up?

Amazing how one determined business can overthrow a Democracy so quickly.

Without a shot and without any resistance from the population.

By: Leonidas

Leonidas — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:51:17 +0000

The whole thing is rubbish and it won’t work if our isps wants to disconnect all us that’s fine they’ll remember us when there’s no one using their services!!!

By: Christopher

Christopher — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:33:50 +0000

This will be overturned in a New Zealand court, mark my words…. the first time someone decides to sue the company in question over this, it will be overturned in a court of law and the companies in question will be looking at each other like cattle about to be killed, asking themselves “How did we get ourselves into this situation?”

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Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:04:14 +0000

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By: Rotm

Rotm — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:27:54 +0000

Fuck all this crap! …3 strikes, disconnection bah.

I wonder what percentage of customers of various ISP’s will actually be affected by “disconnection”?

By complying isn’t this just ISP’s shooting themselves in the foot?

The profit from each connection is very little as it is! I would say the most profit is from excess usage charges (going over your already small data cap) i.e. by downloading big “illegal” files

BTW- Fuck you and your over priced copyright fucking shit.

By: NZ pirate

NZ pirate — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:58:33 +0000

I believe this is crap, the movie industry is controlling the laws in my country instead of the people of my country. Once this is in place won’t we be able to register it under different peoples names to get our three strikes back though? For example, I get two strikes so my flatmate puts the connection under his/her name then we get three more strikes or am I wrong?

By: Jacob

Jacob — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:24:42 +0000

I live in New Zealand and if they disconect my internet connection im taking them to court.

By: Fight_The_Tyranny

Fight_The_Tyranny — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:21:33 +0000

Every one should cancel their isp accounts in protest. For communication and file sharing, use open wifi networks.

By: Do It Already

Do It Already — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:16:49 +0000

‘Education Notices’, wow, and there’s me thinking I’d escaped schooling 18 years ago.

Free market economics, or preservation of status quo?

By: Ron

Ron — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:09:42 +0000

Why aren’t the ISPs fighting this more? Backhanders in N Z & Ireland!!!!

By: djnforce9

djnforce9 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:45:35 +0000

Something they’d also have to declare is how much time needs to elapse before another claim can be made against the same person. Otherwise, if someone is caught seeding three different torrents, they could potentially get their three strikes (and with that, their internet connection disabled) all in one go (or within the time it takes for even a single notice to be mailed).

By: anonymous

anonymous — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:04:28 +0000

“First off, a copyright holder would identify an infringement and notify the ISP of the infringing customer immediately”

The copyright holders can’t find their own ass with both hands, let alone identify an infringement.

Therein lies the reason why the 3 strikes system can’t hold up under its own weight, whether or not ISPs decide to play ball with it… And few will.

By: for yeah

for yeah — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:07:35 +0000

Not if your giving your adresse. They will trace you by that.

People moving to canada because of war or foodless.

People will move to canada because of war. War of file-sharing law! haha

By: magicanimal

magicanimal — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:54:15 +0000

Gotta wonder how the copy-holders propose to pay the ISPs for all this extra work… Why aren’t the ISPs fighting this more? I would imagine these sort of requirements would necessitate many, many new employees!

By: yeah

yeah — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:06:43 +0000

sounds like if you bitch enough you can get out of anything.. or after 2 education notices just download from someone elses connection until 18 months pass..

and even if you do get terminated, call up and act like your someone else who just moved in and want your internet up rofl..

win win win

By: Howard

Howard — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:03:38 +0000

“If it is discovered that the copyright holder hasn’t already been ‘pre-approved’ to participate in the scheme, they are given the opportunity to join by paying a fee.”

Who is getting paid here? and who is running the scheme?

By: r0ck

r0ck — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:55:33 +0000

Why this will never work:

“The ISP would check to ensure that the complaint meets the standards required by the draft code and ensure that the evidence provided would be of such a quality that it would stand up in court.”

So the ISP has to do all the legal work, has to decide if the copyright was actually infringed and so on. Taking torrent swarms as example there is not yet one set of evidence that is actually viable and “would stand up in court” there are defenses against IP numbers, against protocol timing, spoofed peers etc. I think the NZ ISPs have really spread their cheeks here and the industry gladly fucked them.

Now the ISPs have to do all the work and if they’re successful … disconnect their paying customers. One of the dumbest business moves I’ve seen … ever.

By: www.10ch.org

www.10ch.org — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:17:05 +0000

@2 pink panther
There is a big problem with that: many people are continuing to give them their money, and this is what the vast majority of people are doing. They can survive if only a few people refuse to give them money. This would work only when a much greater number of people are boycotting.

By: pink panther

pink panther — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:06:57 +0000

Simplified code of conduct: “As long as one proprietary content file exists in the universe, you are a target and guilty until proven innocent.”

The only way to stop this is to quit giving them your money.

By: www.10ch.org

www.10ch.org — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:01:27 +0000

Of course, these 3 strike fears, which last time was heard here as “1 strike,” are not quelled at all by these clarifications.