What can we do to help? Go watch Edwin on YouTube! A couple of million hits there could help and substantiate the popularity of the song and make the case stronger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkKxGzm98AU

See?

‘See?’?

Cool reasonable arguments seem a little different from patronizing ones, laced with ostensible obstinacy, wilful ignorance, pretence, disingenuousness, and lack of followup– do you think?
Not that I’m necessarily suggesting that of yours’. ;)

Furthermore, I doubt the industry-in-question is agreeing to disagree at this point, so there’s no argument per se. The arguments, in a sense, have come and gone, and are over.

I’m more or less “indulging you”– leveraging your posts– for the sake of the issues… if maybe with a twinge of hope that you’ll “come around”.

I mean, I do recall you suggesting or admitting in another thread to the effect that your values were fascist.

In many cases, such as perhaps in some of the above, I find heated passionate arguments preferable, Babycakes.

See? It wasn’t that hard to give a reasonable, cool argument, even if our principles are different.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

The problem is that people think that they are entitled to a full product for nothing. The artists sure don’t get something for nothing – they have to invest time and effort creating the music.

You see, that right there is where we part ways :)

You think that the whole pie is owned by copyright owners and I disagree.

You see the whole as a commercial space and I think there are 2 more components that you are forgetting and those are the private and public spaces where no copyright owner should put a foot in. Those spaces is where mixtapes happen, where people recorded their shows to see later, passed videos to one another through tapes, disc and now the internet. Copyright owners didn’t complain before because they were oblivious to those behaviors, they thought it was small when it was not, it is part of the human culture.

I showed to you that this behavior(sharing) doesn’t compromise the ability of artists to make a living and still you argue that is morally wrong when I don’t think it is. What I do know is that it is normal and common.

Doubt?

Ask anyone if they think recording TV shows to see latte is against the law?

Ask anyone if they think it is morally wrong to record music from radio.

Why it is any different when it is done on the internet?

Ask if anyone will buy a TV that don’t let them record something with their video recorders?

Even G.W.Bush is a pirate or did you not see his iPod music list with the Beatles songs in it?

The law is not broken when even the president of a country is made a criminal by that law?

The law is not broken when authorities in public say they don’t have the resources to prosecute everyone?

The law is not broken when authorities in public say that it would be better to get just a few instead of going after everyone because it could cause more criminal behavior among the youth that probably would turn to real criminal behavior to try and come up with the money to paid statutory damages?

The law is not broken when every single person that owns equipment capable of recording anything is turned into a criminal?

Is not the people who is invading the right holders domain is the rights holders that are invading the public domain and trying to stake a claim on it.

I’m arguing that piracy is illegal and morally wrong…

Piracy? Or file-sharing?
If the latter, the majority here are arguing that it’s not, or at least should not be, and giving powerful reasons in support– some, if not most– if not all– of which are apparently lost on you.

I’m not arguing something that can be supported by facts.

That sounds like religion. Certainly you wouldn’t be arguing for blood-letting to cure some ailments by now would you?

My previous post attempts to suggest some fundamentals that we would do well to consider as a lense through which to view file-sharing and the revolution that is the Internet/digital communications.

Speaking of revolutions, some– perhaps you, too– seem to argue as though they don’t exist/never happened/aren’t happening, or as though they are unaware of the SHIFTS/implications/etc. that they bring with them.
Consider the Printing Press or Nuclear weaponry.
Consider removing your old lenses if they’re truly there, and looking viewing what’s happening with new ones. You may find you see more and/or differently.