Copyright Vultures Circle As Court Green-Lights Anti-Piracy Scheme

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December 28, 2012
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Despite intervention by the Open Rights Group, an adult movie company in the UK has been given the green light to hugely expand its anti-piracy operations in the UK. The Court of Appeal told Golden Eye, a company connected with the Ben Dover porn brand, that it can start sending out thousands of cash demands to individuals suspected of sharing not only their works online, but those that belong to third party righsholders. Already the company has indicated it intends to expand its project.

Refusing to give up after two previous attempts failed, in September 2011 Golden Eye, a company affiliated with the Ben Dover porn brand, renewed its battle to obtain permission to chase down alleged file-sharers in the UK.

The battle was complex, but essentially the company was told by the High Court that it could only pursue sharers of Ben Dover content, not those who were alleged to have shared content owned by third-party companies.

The case went to the Court of Appeal and despite intervention by the Open Rights Group, has now resulted in the best possible outcome for Golden Eye.

The short term implications concern the 9,000 IP addresses currently in Golden Eye’s possession. Previously the High Court ordered ISP O2 to hand over the identities of individuals associated with 2,845 of them, account holders whose connections were allegedly used to share Ben Dover movies.

But now, thanks to the Court of Appeal ruling, Golden Eye will now be able to obtain the identities behind another 6,155 IP addresses, those connected to the sharing of content owned by other studios.

“It was both illogical and inconsistent for the judge to deny the self-same relief to the other claimants merely because they have chosen to pursue their claims with the assistance of Golden Eye under arrangements which the judge had previously found to be both lawful and not part of a speculative invoicing scheme,” Lord Justice Patten ruled.

The implications of the ruling are serious. Golden Eye can now approach companies that previously haven’t had the will or means to obtain court orders against individuals they believe to have shared their products online, giving them easy access to a ready-made pay-up-or-else scheme in the UK.

In a nutshell, the Court of Appeal just sanctioned the sending of a tidal wave of settlement letters to UK Internet account holders, the proceeds of which will enrich Golden Eye to the tune of 75% of the takings and rightsholders to 25%.

And according to Golden Eye’s Julian Becker, things will kick off quickly. Not only will the letters connected to the first batch of 9,000 IP addresses go out in the New Year, but the company will now work on getting more rightsholders on board.

“I look forward to traveling to adult conferences in Los Angeles and Vegas in early January to offer Golden Eye’s services to other producers,” he told the BBC.

Individuals who are contacted by Golden Eye should read this article and write to TorrentFreak in complete confidence.

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The shittest porn available. Belongs on cable.
- Star
  
  the thing is seen one fuck movie seen em all they have a set pattern to them.
  they have become bland and stale over the years.
  with so much free shit who in their right mind downloads crappy porn .
  i mean porns porn
  oohh baby that gets me hot bs plastic actors that cant even screw for shit
  oh yea baby moaning fake bs
  i watched a movie once about how they some time fake cum shots when an actor cant get it out
  fluffers off set man was soooo bs
  debbie does dallas has a lot to answer for
  - commenter8
    
    Amateur porn is not only more realistic, it’s easily available for free. Many creators of amateur porn have valid non-financial motivations for creating and publishing video of their sexual activities.
    - sex sex sex
      
      Amateur porn FTW.
      Groaning whores just don’t do it for me.
      The “men whores” cum faces are funny tho.
    - Goriija
      
      There are already sites stockpiling amateur porn behind paywalls. How long before the start demanding legal protections?
  - Guest321
    
    Professional porn is so lame and always has been that way. Amateur porn atleast has some variety and a degree of realism.
  - Anon1
    
    I remember watching a fuckfilm where they were doing it doggy style and you could clearly see the guys schlong hanging between her legs. They were just dry humping, it was pathetic.
- GregKewen
  
  blah blah blah
  
  Has anyone noticed that most stories here and on Techdirt are now just complaints about copyright enforcement?
  - Anyone
    
    because copyright is completely broken
Sfoxman

There is something rotten in the kingdom of Dinamar … I mean England.
dondilly

GEIL are still wasting their time and money as if contested, ip evidence alone will not stand up in court. Judge birst said as much in the acslaw case. Aside from the high degree of errors in ip data, it only identifies an account holder not an infringer. Birst also stated that an account holder cannot be held responsible for the actions of others even if their use of the connection was with permission. It does NOT follow that granting permission to use your connection implies permission to infringe. Even if you remain silent in court and just let your lawyer raise these fundamental flaws, GEIL are incapable of proving their case and GEIL know it.

God knows what the appeals court judge thought he was doing and for him to claim it is not speculative invoicing when the claimant knows the evidence wont stand up in court (so logically no intention of going to court) would be laughable if it were victimless.
http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

“The implications of the ruling are serious. Golden Eye can now approach companies that previously haven’t had the will or means to obtain court orders against individuals they believe to have shared their products online, giving them easy access to a ready-made pay-up-or-else scheme in the UK.”

The implications are natural. No piracy – > no letters with demands.

Time to face the facts and learn that actions will have consequences.
- Fredrika
  
  > “The implications are natural. No piracy – > no letters with demands.”
  
  The implications are natural. Take precautions – > no letters with demands. Fixed that for you.
  
  Secondly, these vigilante extortion schemes are nothing new? They have been used for ten years, and they don’t stop piracy one bit? The only thing they achieve is bringing money to vigilante extortionists. So what you are basically applauding is that vigilante extortionists finally have started to extort people in yet another country.
  
  An opinion that morally corrupt people no doubt hold.
  
  > “Time to face the facts and learn that actions will have consequences.”
  
  Get an Internet subscription, and you will risk being extorted by vigilante extortionists?
  
  Btw, please remind me what the consequences was from the action of bringing down Napster? Did piracy decrease or increase, and did people stop pirating or did they move on to a better filesharing protocol?
  
  Now try to use logic and combine that answer with the fact that we already know that these extortion schemes don’t stop piracy the slightest, and the fact regarding what fully functioning safe options that are available today, as in VPN’s or F2F, and try to predict the closest future regarding piracy. Will it increase or decrease?
  - Anon1
    
    I love your posts, Fredrika. The fact that NJP and Anon never respond to them means they are simply running away with their tail between their legs.
    - MegaAssBlaster
      
      nah they don’t even they run away, they’re just too damn stupid to run
      
      that’s why they stick around here posting year after year getting the mental smackdown, they’ll never run and they’ll never learn
    - MegaAssBlaster
      
      stupid really is as stupid does
    - The guy
      
      Plus a logical well-detailed well-researched conclusion always defeats an outburst of unresearched unproven ignorance any day.
    - ANo
      
      ? ? ? ? Our Bubbles ? ? ? ?
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    “The implications are natural. Take precautions – > no letters with demands. Fixed that for you.”
    
    Actually…given how the technology works you can get letters with demand whether you downloaded, did not download, or even if you didn’t own a computer in the first place. IP-adressing isn’t exactly accurate as has been proven many times.
    
    So NTP is even more wrong than you would say. It’s a given that out of a thousand adressed claim letters at least 12% will be erronously adressed from the start.
- http://TorrentFreak.com Enigmax (Andy)
  
  Golden Eye have no wish to fight piracy at all, they want it to continue so they can generate further revenue from old titles that are no longer making the money they did. The Ben Dover titles they are chasing alleged infringers over are the the ones they made the *most* money on so far by the way.
  
  The problems with their scheme are many.
  
  Based on ‘evidence’ produced by a faceless and unaccountable Internet monitoring company that could easily be pulling half of their IP addresses out of a hat for all anyone knows, they will then send an Internet account payer a letter that he or she doesn’t understand. Subsequently many feel scared into paying a ‘fine’ even though personally they have done nothing since they can’t afford a lawyer to fight the accusation.
  
  Copyright holders do have the right to protect their investments, that much is written in law, but it’s the bullying that most people can’t stand along with disproportionate settlement demands that are way out of step with any offense committed.
  
  If they continue they can expect people to bite back and as usual this will not end well.
  - Tres_Bon
    
    ACS:Law didn’t profit from this scheme.
    Lets see how far he gets before any anti-piracy advocates start crowing.
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    I find it very unlikely that letters will be sent out based on “out of a hat” IP addresses.
    - Guest
      
      You’re an idiot if you think that isn’t what’s been happening. Unless you’d like to allege that all those dead grandmothers downloaded that pornography. But hey, what would you know? You rot under Daddy Pelouzey’s special desk all the time, you wouldn’t know pornography from reality anyway!
    - dondilly
      
      IP address evidence is inherently unreliable. It is prone to errors within the ISP caused by timing between different systems and incomplete records through to fundamental errors such as the inquirer not specifying correct time zone or their timestamps being in sync with the isp. Of the 2850 ip addresses supplied to o2 by goldeneye as being infringers, less than 1000 could be shown as addresses in use at the times specified. The very low hit rate between alleged infringing address and those in use casts doubt n the claim as knowing the address blocks assigned to an isp, you could get a better hit rate picking addresses out of a hat.
      
      Goldeneye’s actions are not a win for antipiracy, on the contrary it brings it into disrepute.
      
      could get a similar hit rate picking addresses out of a hat.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @dondilly
      
      “P address evidence is inherently unreliable. It is prone to errors within the ISP caused by timing between different systems and incomplete records through to fundamental errors such as the inquirer not specifying correct time zone or their timestamps being in sync with the isp.”
      
      Seems to be easy to fix. You need to improve the used routines to increase the reliability, seems rather straight-forward.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Seems to be easy to fix. You need to improve the used routines to increase the reliability, seems rather straight-forward.”
      
      Do you hear yourself? These people that work with this all day long, and therefore should have a rather huge insight into how to get it correct, manages to get 30-70% wrong from the get go, despite the fact that these extortion schemes have been going on for ten years.
      
      And then you come along, the person that obviously have no technical knowledge whatsoever, considering how many ignorant claims you have made over the last four years regarding whast’s technically possible and not, and says it seems to be easy to fix?
      
      And why didn’t you have the guts to comment on the fact that almost two thirds of the addresses the extortionists came up with wasn’t real in the first place???
      
      > “Of the 2850 ip addresses supplied to o2 by goldeneye as being infringers, less than 1000 could be shown as addresses in use at the times specified“.
      
      But you still applaud vigilante extortion, right? Collateral damage doesn’t matter to a true fascist.
    - Jmorse43508
      
      But that is exactly what is happening here. It’s the same pattern that was followed earlier by ACS:Law and Davenport Lyons before them.
      
      And the same copyright troll vulture mentality is being carried out in the US by Prenda Law among others.
    - ACS lol LAW lol
      
      do you even history ?
      
      ACSLaw round II in 3…..2…..
    - MadAsASnake
      
      They are using Ali T. With some of his trawls, the ISP’s couldn’t match around 1/2 the IP’s. In a congested IP pool (they all are), you would get the same strike rate with a random number generator. This is also the guy that decided that one suspected infringer had used a client version that hadn’t been released yet, and was quite happy to change that opinion once it was pointed out. These sort of errors are wall to wall with Ali T. Once the ISP has it, how accurate are they at matching? Pretty sure it’s a long was short of 100%. All you have to do is be an O2 customer to get hounded by these creeps. You don’t need to have downloaded anything.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “I find it very unlikely that letters will be sent out based on “out of a hat” IP addresses.”
      
      That’s the only way such letters CAN be sent. Which you would know, if you knew how the tech worked.
      
      And as you would knew if you read up on the scientific studies performed by departments of computer science which got confused about the number of takedown notices they received adressed to their laser printers and network routers.
      
      So it’s actually unavoidable that the letters will be sent, literally, from “out-of-a-hat”.
- Artist Freedom
  
  Nothing of any real consequence was accomplished in 2012. The only accomplishments were the immoral, illegal, and unethical seizing of domains, increased copyright pay up or else scam activity, and significant exposure of just how corrupt the so called justice systems around the world are. Eventually you are going to realize that the desperate frivolous activities of the pro copyright monopoly are only serving to awaken a sleeping giant, who’s wrath will be swift and terrible.
  
  Culture, art and information belong to humanity. Period. It is human nature to share with one another. It is a fundamental human right to promote and share culture. All of this can be done while properly compensating the real artists who actually create these works of art.
  
  Freedom from the outdated monopolistic mainstream distribution channels is what all informed artists want.
  
  What’s truly going on here is a fight against greed, censorship, and corruption. It’s a war against tyranny and oppression.
  
  I think this quote sums it up quite nicely.
  
  “Familiarize yourself with the chains of bondage and you prepare your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed to trample on the rights of others, you have lost the genius of your own independence and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you.” – Abraham Lincoln
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    “What’s truly going on here is a fight against greed, censorship, and corruption. It’s a war against tyranny and oppression.”
    
    In a sense you’re right but you got the context wrong.
    
    It’s a fight against the greed of the pirates.
    
    Copyright has nothing to do with censorship.
    
    Corruption is just a word used as a bad excuse when not accepting a sentence, basically dislike of the current law but mixing it up with the upholding of that law.
    
    Tyranny and oppression is done by the by the pirates when ignoring the rights of the creators, acting like a mob or riot, leaving the creators completely defenseless in most cases.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “It’s a fight against the greed of the pirates.”
      
      The desire to save money by manufacturing an item yourself, an item that holds no economical value, instead of wasting money buying it, doesn’t make you greedy. It makes you economically sane.
      
      Voluntarily buying something that holds no economical value on the other hand makes you completely economically insane.
      
      Is greed a concept you don’t understand?
      
      > “Copyright has nothing to do with censorship.”
      
      When copyright is used as a reason to censor information, it by definition has exactly that.
      
      > “Tyranny and oppression is done by the by the pirates when ignoring the rights of the creators..”
      
      Are tyranny and oppression two additional concepts you don’t understand? Performing an intrusion into a legislative monopoly has nothing to do with tyranny or oppression.
      
      > “..acting like a mob or riot..”
      
      Are mobs and riots two additional concepts you don’t understand? Maybe you should look them up in a dictionary? Performing an intrusion into a legislative monopoly is nothing like acting like a mob riot.
      
      > “..leaving the creators completely defenseless in most cases.”
      
      Since no actual harm comes to them from non-profit piracy, what exactly do they need a defence against? The invading pink elephants from space? As you are fully aware of, those flying animals are not a copyright related problem.
    - Tres_Bon
      
      You’re mad.
      
      Copyright=exclusivity=GREED by the holders of said copyright.
      Copyright is little more than a protection racket.
      
      ‘Copyright has nothing to do with censorship.’
      It manages to instigate censorship by twisting its tenet, convincing law enforcement of something which isn’t true and underhandedly closing sites and depriving individuals of information. The principle of copyright was that the developer or designer could seek redress in court. In most instances, especially those involving ICE, seizure is implemented without due process, hence the parallel with censorship.
      
      ‘Corruption’ is what it is. It is not an excuse. When laws which profit both the designer and the lawmakers exclusively are bought, instead of fought for in court and proven as defensible, then that is a corruption of the legal process.
      
      ‘Tyranny and oppression’? Practiced by pirates? I have never heard of a mob of pirates knocking on doors, seizing equipment, demanding monies, creating extortion schemes, pulling claimed loss figures out of thin air, creating exorbitant fines and imprisoning people.
      
      Did I imagine all of this?
    - Artist Freedom
      
      “It’s a fight against the greed of the pirates.”
      
      You would have to ignore numerous studies, common sense, and mountains of indicators to actually believe this. Nothing can possibly compare to the greed driven profit at all cost, tactics of the RIAA, MPAA, and other copyright trolls like the ones mentioned in the article above.
      
      “Copyright has nothing to do with censorship.”
      
      Copyright has EVERYTHING to do with censorship. If humanity continues to allow sites and content to be taken offline for worthless reasons such as copyright, then other more trivial, even less important, less relevant reasons will soon follow. You really need to wake up and realize that far more is at stake here than simply stopping people from downloading music and movies online. Or perhaps you already know that?
      
      “Corruption is just a word used as a bad excuse when not accepting a sentence, basically dislike of the current law but mixing it up with the upholding of that law.”
      
      The corruption I’m referring to was rampant during 2012. Organizations like the department of justice bend and change the laws to suit their own needs while throwing due process and the bill of rights out the window. It’s about time that we force these organizations to start respecting human rights, or stop funding them with OUR tax dollars.
      
      “Tyranny and oppression is done by the by the pirates when ignoring the rights of the creators, acting like a mob or riot, leaving the creators completely defenseless in most cases.”
      
      Since you don’t seem to understand tyrrany, I’m going to post the definition of it here for you, and then give you an example.
      
      Tyrrany
      arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
      
      I can’t think of a better example than when police showed up with a search warrant demanding settlement or else, and seized a 9 year old girls laptop for alleged downloading which was never proven.
      
      The Artist Chisu, who’s work was in question was so appalled by this activity that she published a link where he work could be downloaded for free anyway. She wanted nothing to do with this type of immoral tyrannical enforcement activity.
      
      If you want to post here, please get your facts straight. Hopefully you really are just some un-educated ignorant person who doesn’t really understand what’s really going on. If that’s not the case, then I think I speak for the entire community when I say, “You are not welcome here”
    - Bob_Geldof
      
      @ Artist Freedom. “The Artist Chisu, who’s work was in question was so appalled by this activity that she published a link where he work could be downloaded for free anyway”.
      
      In fairness she directed people to Spotify where people can stream her music for free and she gets paid – you overlooked that part.
    - Guest
      
      LOL Nej. It’s so funny you have to “like” all your comments, since no one else will do that for you.
      
      “It’s a fight against the greed of the pirates.”
      
      Pirates like Warner Bros., that deeply enjoys pirating such deep and emotional copyrighted works as “Ass Hole Fever”. (but… OH! I forgot… you don’t comment news that paint the MAFIAA in a bad light. My bad.)
      
      “Copyright has nothing to do with censorship.”
      
      Of course it does. The only way to effectively implement and enforce copyright laws is through censorship. Copyright IS censorship, by definition. Copyright directly regulates what I can say or not, what I can write or not, what I can transmit to others or not… the very definition of censorship.
      
      Now, tell me one thing Nej…. Did you ever pay the performance fees required to sing “Happy Birthday”, you filthy pirate thief? Thought so.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      Being an O2 customer does not equate to being a tyrant. You might want to stop accusing innocent people of being thieves and whatnot. It’s nasty. The simple fact that you don’t know what was done (if anything) or who did it (if anyone) gives you no rights at all.
    - xpmule
      
      the replies to this guy are well said !
      so thorough i won’t consider jumping in lol
      
      Nej
      did you read your replies ?
      seems like some very fair responses you got.
      i’m biased of course but these replies you got seem rock solid to me..
      
      what do you your fellow copywrong people think of you posting here all the time ?
      i’m guessing they would think your making things worse and i bet they wish you would be quiet.
      i don’t though ;)
      I enjoy your comments because they are always so drastically different than what i would say/think.. very amusing and interesting !
      If i see one of your comments i gotta go grab some popcorn lol
  - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
    
    “Nothing of any real consequence was accomplished in 2012. The only accomplishments were the immoral, illegal, and unethical seizing of domains, increased copyright pay up or else scam activity, and significant exposure of just how corrupt the so called justice systems around the world are. Eventually you are going to realize that the desperate frivolous activities of the pro copyright monopoly are only serving to awaken a sleeping giant, who’s wrath will be swift and terrible.”
    
    Hear ye! Hear ye!
- Anyone
  
  what about all the false positives?
  an IP address is not reliable evidence
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    What false positives?
    - Andyman
      
      Printers have been known to even throw false positives. Yeah my HP4250 was downloading Parenthood. lol. That kind.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “What false positives?”
      
      Maybe you should read up a bit on the history of these extortion schemes? The false positives range above 30%. That’s a rather huge amount of collateral damage, that only a fascist would accept.
      
      But than again, you’d have to be pretty morally corrupt to accept vigilante extortionists in the first place.
    - NoU
      
      The false positives that happen? Like when computer researchers successfully spoofed a network printer IP as an infringing torrenter?
    - Guest
      
      What false positives? Plaintiffs for these cases, when asked, admitted that as much as 30% of their results are false positives. But then again, that doesn’t alarm you. You would sue your mother for copyright infringement if you could, Nej!
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Guest
      
      “What false positives? Plaintiffs for these cases, when asked, admitted that as much as 30% of their results are false positives. But then again, that doesn’t alarm you. You would sue your mother for copyright infringement if you could, Nej!”
      
      Looks extremely high. Meaning that 30% are really false (not pirates) or that you can’t point out the individual behind the IP address?
    - Safarijack
      
      Well it all depends on where you are, if you’re in South Africa where approximately 90% of IP addresses are dynamic and changed per connection every 24 hours, at least, you would have false positives coming out of your ears. I would say a 30% false positive rate would be quite conservative.
    - icec0ld
      
      Willful ignorance I see?
      
      When Grandmothers with no internet connection show up on the accused to downloading porn we’ll see. Never mind the fact the biggest issue with the whole extortion racket is that none of these cases are done with the intent of seeing a court room, violating and molesting the very point of our justice system.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @icecOld
      
      “When Grandmothers with no internet connection show up on the accused to downloading porn we’ll see”
      
      Seems easy to solve.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Seems easy to solve.”
      
      Yes, there is one easy solution, simply legalise filesharing, and that just happens to be the solution that should be implemented any way, since society has no proven need for the copyright monopoly.
    - Guest
      
      “What false positives?”
      
      That an IP address — even assuming that it is the correct one — does not identify a person only an internet account.
      
      No matter how much you wish it to be different, the account holder is not responsible by virtue of having permitted someone else to use his internet connection. You must prove authorization to commit the copyright infringement, which is not equivalent with not securing his network or failing to lock down or monitor everything.
      
      The general rule in most civilized countries is that the copyright plaintiff even in a civil case must prove who did the infringement. The argument that account holder is responsible no longer works. The courts in your fellow Scandinavian countries Finnland and Denmark have ruled that an IP address is not enough.
      
      The antipiracy organization in Denmark APG abandoned its litigation campaign because they only got positive judgments in cases in which the defendants confessed. And I believe that even the Swedish police has admitted that you can’t convict someone merely on account of an IP address, nor can you use an IP address as justification for a house search.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Guest
      
      “The general rule in most civilized countries is that the copyright plaintiff even in a civil case must prove who did the infringement. The argument that account holder is responsible no longer works. The courts in your fellow Scandinavian countries Finnland and Denmark have ruled that an IP address is not enough.”
      
      I’m sure this can change. There’s a similar case related to automatic cameras for detection of speeding. In some countries the driver must be identified, which has lead to drivers (e.g.. in Sweden) using ski masks or other means of disguise when passing the cameras. In other countries the owner of the car is responsible and for crimes with low punishments, speeding and minor piracy, this is the best solution. More accountability but in the unlikely event of someone getting falsely accused, the damages are not that high.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “I’m sure this can change.”
      
      Of course a society can become faschist if that is their desire?
      
      > “In other countries the owner of the car is responsible and for crimes with low punishments, speeding and minor piracy..”
      
      Were you not warned about lying?
      
      > “..this is the best solution.”
      
      To dismantle legal safeguards, due process and move away from constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties and firmly founded legal principles is the best solution to a non-problem that’s the equivalent of playing with a cute kitten?????????
      
      > “More accountability..”
      
      How about some accountability for the weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the freemarket?
      
      > “..but in the unlikely event of someone getting falsely accused..”
      
      Unlikely? We just showed you numbers of 70% false accusations??????????????
      
      > “..the damages are not that high.”
      
      I’m sure all the innocent extortion victims agree with you. Or not. Do you wanna legalise classic extortion as well, since the damages aren’t that high?
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      When your car (Internet connection) is used against your permission, you will never have to pay any ticket, even not when it is a speeding ticket by a camera photographing someone with a ski mask behind the steering wheel, for that matter, in the Netherlands you are flashed from behind out of privacy reasons. The car is ticketed on registration plate number and hence the car cannot be used without the key, the owner needs to explain where the key was if he claims it was not him.
      For an Internet connection that do not require a key, this will be impossible and also plausible it can and will be used by others than the subscriber.
      The difference in law and evidence here is also due to the speed limit, being a state controlled and prescribed law combined with the fact that if a car is used without a key, this in 99% of the cases a matter of GTA is, and copyright being a private matter and more like a commodity is that it is being used by multiple users.
      Also the fact that in the Netherlands your wifi router is being shared with the world by open wifi in exchange for a lower subscription fee, in facto sharing your IP adress with anyone passing, it is impossible to know who used the Internet connection ever.
      So nej your analogy with a speeding ticket goes wrong on several counts. The most important is the one that your connection is open by default due to the ISP settings for creating an open wifi network for everyone to use. (read FREE internet!!).
      So please explain to me how an IP adress can be connected to a user anyway. Even the subscriber has no influence anymore on who uses the IP address.
      In your logic, it would mean I can sue you because my neighbor uses the Internet connection of a japanese student in a internet cafe in Iran. You see the logic in there (me neither).
    - Whatever
      
      Nejtillpirater looks like a bot trying to pass a turing test.
    - Guest
      
      Piracy? What piracy?
      
      (Willful ignorance is a two-way street, BITCH.)
    - MadAsASnake
      
      All of them. The simple fact that you CANNOT prove something does not mean those you accuse has to prove a negative (impossible by definition). The right response to this disingenuous argument is to walk away. It fails in court every time (except in Germany).
    - MadAsASnake
      
      … yes real false positives, a lot of this has nothing at all to to even with the account of the person being accused. Get some evidence that will stand up to scrutiny or bugger off.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      @Guest
      
      Nejtillpirater would probably fail a Turing Test…
    - Jimmy671
      
      “What false positives?”
      
      Fuck Me,you have to be joking,even you can’t
      be that stupid.
      Oh I nearly forgot you are a MAFIAA Troll,so I guess that you could be.
    - Whatever
      
      @MadAsASnake
      
      That’s why i used the word “trying”.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      It was conclusively proven that 12-13% of ip-based adress allocation would, in fact, be wrong, even using the best methodology.
      
      And in the example above, over HALF were wrong.
      
      Are you a raging dyslexic or are you simply unable to comprehend basic math? IP-adressation does not work. period.
      
      Scam artists do claim it does work since it can generate a mass extortion model a la ACS:Law for no effort involved.
      
      Defending that model makes you look like someone who fell for a P.T. Barnum scam defending it even after Barnum revealed the trick.
- Hogspace
  
  IMHO a couple of round of 9mil in your guts would improve your demeanor
  - MegaAssBlaster
    
    and a nuke up your(nejtill’s) ass would improve that lying!
    
    let’s get to it folks!
- djnforce9
  
  “The implications are natural. No piracy – > no letters with demands.”
  
  -Sarcasm-
  Yeah because these companies are always 100% accurate when they gather IP addresses of alleged fileshares and so all those printers and dead people accused of piracy were totally guilty.
  - End Sarcasm-
  
  No! This is a stupid scheme because they can target completely innocent people who will pay up anyway just because they don’t know better and cannot afford a lawyer (which will cost them much more than the settlement and THAT is what gets exploited). This is FAR worse than downloading and enjoying some commercial content that you didn’t actually pay for (if you can even call the latter a problem at all as it has yet to be proven as truly detrimental to sales).
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    “This is FAR worse than downloading and enjoying some commercial content that you didn’t actually pay for”
    
    So can we instead agree on stopping piracy on voluntary basis?
    - Fredrika
      
      > “So can we instead agree on stopping piracy on voluntary basis?”
      
      You didn’t get his point, now did you? But don’t feel sad.
      
      So we can instead agree on legalising filesharing then, since non-profit piracy isn’t a problem and since society has no proven need for the copyright monopoly? I mean, if you for once want to try to be rational.
    - Guest32
      
      @NTP
      “So can we instead agree on stopping piracy on voluntary basis?”
      
      Sure, as I directed you to in another thread, nothing in EU community law precludes a country from legalizing copying for personal use, on the condition that the copyright holder gets a compensation via a copying levy.
      
      I suppose you can agree that it’s not piracy, if permitted by law, and the copyright holder gets minimal compensation via a copying levy.
      
      Such copying levies are legal according to EUCD and the Berne Convention, so let’s voluntarily stop piracy by instituting the Dutch downloading model with a levy on copying media.
      
      Since you are a law-abiding citizen, I assume that you will find this solution acceptable.
      
      It’s not piracy if the state makes it legal, and nothing in international law forbids the Dutch download model.
      
      And last I checked, Sweden is a democracy, and there it’s legal to copy from legal sources.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Sure, as I directed you to in another thread, nothing in EU community law precludes a country from legalizing copying for personal use, on the condition that the copyright holder gets a compensation via a copying levy.”
      
      That’s not entirely accurate. The European Union Copyright Directive mentions fair compensation, but it does not specify it any further, and it does not have to be economical compensation in the form of a copying levy. Falkvinge suggested six years ago that a more reasonable solution is that the monopoly owners are compensated when they have proven actual damages in court, which they won’t be able to do.
      
      http://falkvinge.net/2006/09/28/sverige-kan-legalisera-fildelning-imorgon/
    - Sigh
      
      Hey dear copyright troll,
      
      You seem to get more and more pathetic the more you comment. Stop wasting yours and also Fredrika time would you?Why don’t you stop already? YOure being tormented by Fredrika and not able to defend your claim all the time.
      
      Poor little guy you…
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Sigh
      
      “Stop wasting yours and also Fredrika time would you?”
      
      It’s actually Fredrika that’s wasting her time. I usually ignore her confused postings, often full of ad homimen and lies. It occupies some space on my screen but it doesn’t take much energy or time to skip past them, I’d advise this for you too if you regard it as a problem.
    - Enable corruption of reality
      
      Only if the content that can be copied endlessly at zero cost has a REAL price.
      not some fake inflated price that can be made up
      Irrelevant how much you spend creating something….. Worthless is worthless
    - Anyone
      
      I usually ignore her confused postings, often full of ad homimen and lies.
      
      all her points are backed up by easily verifiable facts
      and you, you, have the audacity to call someone else a liar? now that is rich
    - ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt
      
      @ALL
      
      He’s trolling, FFS. His posts nearly amount to spam these days, if it weren’t for the people who actually believe he’s expressing his own opinions, I’d say flag.
    - Guest
      
      @ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt But…. but… it’s FUN to troll Nej and to show all the logic inconsistencies in his arguments. Half the fun of TF is to see Fredrika kick the crap out of all the trolls :D This is better than cable TV.
    - Anon1
      
      Nej, even if I were an unbiased observer, I would see that there are more holes in your logic than a slice of Swiss cheese.
      
      It’s actually Fredrika that’s wasting her time. I usually ignore her confused postings, often full of ad homimen and lies. It occupies some space on my screen but it doesn’t take much energy or time to skip past them, I’d advise this for you too if you regard it as a problem.
      
      The fact that you never reply to Fredrika’s infallible logic indicates you not only don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re too chickenshit to reply to common sense.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Anon1
      
      “Nej, even if I were an unbiased observer, I would see that there are more holes in your logic than a slice of Swiss cheese.”
      
      How do you now that? You’re a pirate, not an unbiased observer.
      
      “The fact that you never reply to Fredrika’s infallible logic”
      
      It’s far from infallible for a non pirate observer.
      
      ” indicates you not only don’t know what you’re talking about”
      
      I do but I disagree with Fredrika in most cases.
      
      “but you’re too chickenshit to reply to common sense.”
      
      Commenting her confused postings, full of ad hominem, is a complete waste of time. It’s my choice to ignore her, you must respect that. I’m not forcing anyone to comment my postings.
    - Anyone
      
      @NTP
      you really should look up the definition of “ad hominem”
      confronting you with your previous posts is not an “ad hominem”, for example
      
      and if it is so easy to find holes in her logic, please provide some examples, I’ll be more than happy to help you follow and understand the logic
      
      of course, if you just want to be dogmatic about it, stick your fingers in your ears and go “lalalalala”, that’s fine, too
      but please do that on your blog and spare us here, it is getting frustrating at times, it seems as productive as talking to a brick wall
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Anyone
      
      “confronting you with your previous posts is not an “ad hominem”"
      
      But she’s not confronting me with my actual previous posts, she’s confronting me with her own made up straw man versions of my previous posts, including lies regarding statements she’s claiming I’ve made but I haven’t, based on her very strange and evil interpretation. I can’t be held responsible for her lies and straw men versions, can I? I’ve seen this so many times so ignoring her is the only “response” she deserves.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “But she’s not confronting me with my actual previous posts, she’s confronting me with here own made up straw man versions of my previous posts, including lies regarding statements she’s claiming I’ve made but I haven’t..”
      
      As i have asked you repeatedly for four years now, please quote which of my claims about what you have said, that you don’t agree with, or consider untrue, and i will gladly provide you with an exact quote regarding what you said, and a link to where you said it. I can provide that regarding every single claim i make regarding what you have said.
      
      Ok?
      
      But for some reason you never seem to be able to do that, most likely because you know that the second you do, i will back up my claims all the way, and you will look like a fool when your previous lies or ridiculous claims are brought to everyone’s attention once again.
      
      You seem to just want to forget what you yourself said, every time you get caught with a lie or with one of your astonishing claims, that makes your true fascist beliefs crystal clear to everyone that reads them.
      
      > “..based on her very strange and evil interpretation.”
      
      Clarifying what that which you yourself wrote actually means according to correct use of language makes on evil? Oh my..
      
      > “I can’t be held responsible for her lies..”
      
      Accusing others of lies but never being able to back those claims up when asked about it is another way to get yourself banned permanently. Is that what you are trying for?
      
      I’m asking you right now, what have i lied about? Name one single example right now, if you can!!
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Either you’re very organized (OCD-level) or you have a real hate-on for Netj. I remember on USEnet you were able to pull message headers that were inarguable, but is there a searchable database for Disqus as well?
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Either you’re very organized (OCD-level)..”
      
      Hahaha, i wish i was that organised!! =)
      
      > “..or you have a real hate-on for Netj.”
      
      No point in hating sad ignorant individuals that suffer from cognitive dissonance, i only have somewhat of a good memory.
      
      > “I remember on USEnet you were able to pull message headers that were inarguable..”
      
      Sounds as if you are confusing me with someone else?
      
      > “..but is there a searchable database for Disqus as well?”
      
      Regular users can only search their own comments, but actually you can search the comments with Google to some degree, but you don’t see the keyword results on Google’s results page, you only get links to the articles. Not sure about other search engines though..
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Sounds as if you are confusing me with someone else?
      
      Nono, that was the general “you”. Substitute with “one could”
    - Anyone
      
      @NTP
      she claims she has links to your posts
      so challenge her on that, that’s how discussions work, you compare facts and interpretations, and if something is unclear you ask for a clarification
      
      but of course, your idea of a “discussion” is to lie about facts (like calling piracy a crime) so that they fit with your twisted world view, so I can see how that will not work ;)
    - Fredrika
      
      > “..so challenge her on that..”
      
      I’ve asked him to do that for four years now, but not one single time has he been able to come up with anything.
    - Anyone
      
      Sounds as if you are confusing me with someone else?
      
      that “you” was not directed at you ;)
      english is very unprecise at times
    - MegaAssBlaster
      
      “I usually ignore her confused postings, often full of ad homimen and lies”
      
      hey Fredrika Nej is complimenting you, remember this is liar logic they always say the opposite cause they can’t tell the truth
    - xpmule
      
      Nej
      is you goal to distract everyone in every topic so they don’t stay focused on the story ?
      
      and ignoring her is foolish. and i also don’t buy that claim either lol
      
      by the way i’ve read tons of Fredrika’s comments and they are always very well said / formatted etc
      the claim you make that you can’t understand her is nuts unless of course
      you have some serious issues reading and understanding English.
      If so then maybe go do some learning before coming here and picking a fight about piracy using english.. you might as be a chef that can’t cook entering cooking contests lol
      IF you can read her comments then address them instead of this childish tactic of flinging crap like a monkey and running and hiding.
      you can start by showing these lies she has been saying.
      
      you know you’ve been treated fairly around here which you don’t deserve so the least you could do is return the favor !
      and that starts by not being a baby about reading her comments.
      you speak to her directly and then ignore her reply ?
      grow up..
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @xpmule
      
      “is you goal to distract everyone in every topic so they don’t stay focused on the story”
      
      No, my goal is to present facts regarding the topics being discussed, in contrast to the very biased views that are presented through the pirates.
      
      “the claim you make that you can’t understand her is nuts unless of course
      you have some serious issues reading and understanding English.”
      
      Same in Swedish. Typical scenario:
      
      NTP: X
      Fredrika: You wrote Y, and here’s the link (to X).
      NTP: Y is not what I wrote, I wrote X…
      some weeks later.
      NTP: Z
      Fredrika: Remember lying about Y?, I can give you the link if you want
      etc (to X).
      
      And I’ve tried to sort it out but she’s damnright evil, deliberately posting misinterpreted views of my postings, together with lies and ad hominem. Or she’s extremely confused.
      
      “you know you’ve been treated fairly around here which you don’t deserve so the least you could do is return the favor !”
      
      I disagree. Been blocked here a couple of times for no reason. Probably flagged by pirates for my non pirate opinions, not because my postings deserved to be flagged. And then all rude comments like:
      
      “Go fuck yourself”
      “Go kill yourself”
      “Idiot”
      “Moron”
      
      etc.
      
      I’ve flagged some of the worst, nothing happens.
      
      Enough said, I’ll go on ignoring Fredrika.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “No, my goal is to present facts regarding the topics being discussed..”
      
      And all the times you lied about the facts, what was your goal at those times?
      
      > “..in contrast to the very biased views that are presented through the pirates.”
      
      Do you know what biased actually means?
      
      > “Same in Swedish.”
      
      You can’t understand what i mean in Swedish either? Because just as XpMule wrote, you just claimed to not being able to understand what i write.
      
      > “And I’ve tried to sort it out..”
      
      Can you provide one single example of where you tried that? If what you’re saying is true, and actually happened in reality that shouldn’t be to hard, now should it?
      
      > “..but she’s damnright evil..”
      
      Moahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
      
      > “..deliberately posting misinterpreted views of my postings..”
      
      No, i interpret them as they should be interpreted according to correct use of language.
      
      > “..together with lies..”
      
      Can you provide an example maybe?
      
      > “Or she’s extremely confused.”
      
      Can you provide one single example of where you believe me to confused?
      
      > “Been blocked here a couple of times for no reason.”
      
      Rest assured, there’s always a reason when a user gets blocked. That you don’t agree with that reason doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exists. This right here is another example of you lying, claiming that no reason exists, when obviously it does.
      
      > “Enough said, I’ll go on ignoring Fredrika.”
      
      Of course you will, because you can’t back up any of your claims.
- Anal destroyer
  
  inb4 Golden Eye’s Julian Becker gets bendover and fucked hard like the little bitch that he is.
  
  Try to screw the people…… What does he expect… untold riches lol
- Guest
  
  The implications are natural. Use Retroshare -> no letters with demands.
  
  Please PLEASE PLEASE keep cracking on torrent use! PLEEEASE! I need people to keep joining Retroshare, so we can have the biggest library of free content in the world.
  
  In case you don’t know… you’re doing a HUGE favor for creators and users of next-generation F2F and anonymous P2P. I remember when HADOPI was implemented in France… HUNDREDS of new I2P users overnight… shit was so cash.
  
  Enjoy your fail ;)
- Jimmy671
  
  Nejtillpirater you dirty devil,like gay porn do you,now I know how the MAFIAA pays you.
- MegaAssBlaster
  
  im getting so tired of this troll, their getting to be about as bad out_of_the_blue on techdirt, at first OOTB was funny in their stupidity then they just got completely idiotic even pathetic
  
  nej is really getting there, and it’s making me sick, people need to start flagging them just people flag OOTB on techdirt the comments section on that site got about 100x more readable once they did that
- MissMatey
  
  Awesome – it ended really well for ACS:Law and andrew crossley back in 2011.
  
  albeit his fine for £76,326.55 was a bit weak – but hopefully this time the powers that be will eradicate this kind of slime from the profession.
  
  Think the same thing might happen with these similar looking bunch of crooks also?
Andyman

I think his point was, an IP address isn’t a person so whatever data they come up with will be suspect at best. If you cant put someone *in front of the pc* you don’t know what you have.
steve

Didn’t we already deal with a similar scheme? The case was about whether they have permission to have the IP addresses. Not about whether they can threaten people with letters saying “pay up or else” correct? I can’t wait to see how this plays out because the last similar scheme got closed down.
Hogspace

Come on now folks this very website published the appropriate response procedure just a few weeks ago. Only the stupid or feckless need to be caught up in these copytheft scams.
Meantime it would be nice to hear of someone slotting Mr Honey.
It would be even nicer if the EU did something useful, for once, and outlawed paid for online porn, putting all this type of scum out of business.
Steve

Are the films that they are attempting to prosecute people for copying exactly the same as those allowed to be distributed in the UK?

A quick search of the Melon Farmers site reveals that Ben Dover’s R18 rated videos are frequently cut for scenes involving urolagnia (watersports). If these scenes (as unpleasant as they are), are included in the videos that people are accused of acquiring illegally, then how could they possibly be prosecuted for downloading them, they could never have legally bought these titles in an unexpurgated form in the UK in the first place.
- Bob_Geldof
  
  You didn’t think that through, did you Steve?
  
  If they did turn out to be the unedited versions that “they could never have legally bought” then all the better for the case against them in respect of illegally downloading materials deemed “unsuitable” for viewing in the UK – if indeed that is the reason for their having been edited.
  
  Either way I hardly think anyone would attempt such a defence for fear of the ridicule they would inevitably suffer.
  
  “It wasn’t me m’lud – my version has watersports – look”.
  - Guest32
    
    “If they did turn out to be the unedited versions that “they could never have legally bought” then all the better for the case against them in respect of
    illegally downloading materials deemed “unsuitable” for viewing in the UK – if indeed that is the reason for their having been edited. ”
    But that would be a different (criminal) case brought by the government for downloading obscene or R-rated films. The burden in a criminal case is higher.
    
    I believe the poster’s argument was something like this: (1) The R-films are either obscene or restricted and could not be made legally available in the UK; (2) Assuming 1 there can be no copyright infringement because there can be no copyright on illegal content; (3) If there is no valid copyright the civil claim for copyright damages goes away.
    The underlying argument is that if a work due to its illegality is categorically banned from the legal market, there is no meaningful copyright to be enforced.
    
    I am not sure that would work, assuming the films are legal to sell to adults, and that the films have been approved in the UK, but if the films are obscene and flatly illegal, there should be no enforceable copyright claim since you can’t have copyright on something that’s forbidden to sell, distribute and market.
    But nonetheless the defendants should try to invoke the argument that the films are illegal, and that the court should (if possible) rule on the legality of the content.
sagsamsig

US politics, best politics money can buy lol. Gotta love it.

http://www.Anon-et.tk
UnEarthing_Truth

Can somebody SQLi this plz –> http://goldeneyeint.com/your_case.jsp

Maybe, after pawning DB, one can go for more!!
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Perhaps there is no “somebody” wanting to go to jail by doing such things.
  - Guest
    
    Nej…. when was the last time you paid performance fees for singing “Happy Birthday”, you filthy criminal pirate scum? Thought so.
    
    You are as bad as all the other people you classify as “pirates”: you show NO respect for content creators. You are a liar, a hypocrite and a thief.
    
    Enjoy your fail.
  - Grabbing me some popcorn
    
    There are plenty of people with the skills required to take down a convicted criminal pornographer running an extortion racket, without ending up in jail….
    
    Each step Mr Honey treads down this path will bring him closer to the wrath of those skilled and willing to do so.
    
    Be patient UnEarthing_Truth ;)
Anon

This is all part of a process we’ve been watching for years, the trend towards accountability on a comparatively new, wild-west medium. Mistakes will be made. yawn. Oddly, the vast majority of us who do not engage in online unlawful behavior have no problem with this trend. Eventually laws will be passed making account holders responsible for what happens on their connection, same as several other instances in life. If you honestly and faithfully believe it is right that there be no accountability to actions on the network, whatever your ideology may be, you live in an unrealistic world bound for disappointment.

At the end of the day, pirates cling to their “right” to “free information” they pray will inevitably trump artist and industry efforts to establish an accountable, online digital marketplace that government can rely upon for economic development. Little by little your technical abilities will be whittled and your network access linked to your behavior until you must take significant, highly illegal steps to continue unlawfully as you are. This development is just one small step in the direction of that process.

no problem.
- steve
  
  The only problem I have is a punishment to fit the crime. Piracy is a non violent and non physical crime. It doesn’t destroy society. That has to account for the punishment. The copyright cartels are getting their way but they are devoid of these morals that create good legislation against this petty crime. Because, quite frankly, that’s what it is. If the lobby groups do get there way in the end the laws governing this crime will be over-reaching and not representative of the crime entirely.
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    “The only problem I have is a punishment to fit the crime. Piracy is a non violent and non physical crime.”
    
    There are many other crimes that are non violent like fraud. Still has to be punished if harmful. And fraud as well as piracy is harmful to the victims.
    
    “It doesn’t destroy society. That has to account for the punishment.”
    
    Does fraud destroy society?
    
    Not dealing with crimes destroys society, e.g. making it look like breaking the law is OK. It isn’t. I agree with Anon here, there’s a clear and necessary trend towards more accountability.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Still has to be punished if harmful.”
      
      Which non-profit piracy isn’t.
      
      > “And fraud as well as piracy is harmful to the victims.”
      
      Nope, fraud takes something real away, non-profit piracy don’t.
      
      > “Not dealing with crimes destroys society, e.g. making it look like breaking the law is OK. It isn’t.”
      
      Because Judge Dredd told you so? In reality mankind has always argued that breaking unjust laws is ok. Especially laws that society has no proven need for.
    - steve
      
      “There are many other crimes that are non violent like fraud. Still has to be punished if harmful. And fraud as well as piracy is harmful to the victims.”
      
      Ever heard of the City of London? Yeah, plenty of fraud and yet absolutely no punishment.
      
      “Does fraud destroy society?”
      
      I’m sorry but is fraud now copyright infringement? Didn’t think so.
    - Guest
      
      Hey Nej. Have you ever paid for singing “Happy Birthday”? No. Then you have to be punished for all the harm you have done to all the victims.
      
      Not dealing with your filthy copyright crimes is destroying society OH NOES!
    - Guest
      
      Nej… you forgot to “like” your own comment. Just saying…
    - iMeZiv0x
      
      Sharing isn’t fraud. Sharing isn’t stealing.
- BuddhaFacePalmed
  
  WOW, really? The ‘I have nothing to hide so the government and corporations can look through my entire online history’ argument?
  
  You do realize that no government on Earth will forever stay benevolent or any corporations will stop at copyright infringement? That one day the greed-driven Corporations may force us one day to sign licenses that restrict consumers to one brand only?
  
  The tools used to check for copyrighted materials and the blatant disregard for due process can also be used against you for whatever reason the government can cook up. Imagine being caught because your so-called “secure” IP was caught downloading 50TBs of Child Pornography, while you’re at home and supposedly sleeping.
  
  That’s the reality you’re looking at. Our right to Privacy is essential, non-negotiable, and definitely shouldn’t be violated for commercial profit.
  
  They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin –
JS

If it was turn out the infringer was under 18 could they be prosecuted for suplying porn/filth to minors ? (and placed on the sex offenders register )
As they have the rights to distribute over P2P, but don’t have the abilty to stop underage downloading
Anonymous

good old UK! nothing like dishing out justice and this is nothing like dishing out justice! all the fucking morons in court have achieved here is to encourage extortion practices and make the UK a haven for false claims and enforced payments to the entertainment industries when having no definitive proof, based solely on an IP address (which even the US courts recognize as being no proof at all!). it was already the ‘libel case center of the world’, now the copyright rip-off center can be added to the list!
icec0ld

Legalized extortion. People will look back on this in disgust in the same way we look at WW1, WW2, the dropping of the A bomb, Vietnam and every human atrocity in history that we have retrospect upon. Of course it won’t carry the same weight as these events but you can see the point.

It’s sad to see this happen but I’ve come to expect this in the UK. hopefully this madness and the foolhardy crusade of failing business practices to scapecoat piracy for their failures will come to an end, but it’s unlikely to at this stage.

What is saddest here here, is the perversion of the courts into a extortion and money making scheme at the expense of tax payers of the country.
Logan B

We’re doing with files what Jesus did with bread. Take the little that you have and spread it to the masses. What did the bakers in biblical times have to say about that?
- icec0ld
  
  If they acted in proportion with today’s file sharing standard response? He’d of been nailed to the cross right then and there. No waiting for the Romans and some baloney about saving the bread, fish and wine industries.
Anonymous

someone ought to ram Ben Dover’s prized asset right up his dirt box and use it like a jug handle!!
- Roachdaddy
  
  Still laughing at your comment,excellent.
Naneie2sghar

Pr0n producers, the new preachers of morality in the modern world… /facepalm
UKPPVPN

The UK Pirate Party should establish free NL VPNs to replace the now defunct TPB proxy. Make it donation based to provide service and grow the political party.
- Anyone
  
  the pirate parties of Luxembourg and Argentina have already opened new proxies
Guest

@NTP
“I’m sure this can change. There’s a similar case related to automatic cameras for detection of speeding. In some countries the driver must be identified,
which has lead to drivers (e.g.. in Sweden) using ski masks or other means of disguise when passing the cameras. In other countries the owner of the car
is responsible and for crimes with low punishments, speeding and minor piracy, this is the best solution. More accountability but in the unlikely event
of someone getting falsely accused, the damages are not that high.”

Wrong on several conceptional levels:

Cars are closely regulated by the state for safety and tax reasons.
Every car has a license plate, registered owner and the number of cars legally permitted to drive on the road is therefore ascertainable by the government.

No similar system exists for IP addressesor which is a more apt analogy accesspoints offering internet connectivity.

For the system to work even mimimally efficient for IP addresses, the government must firstly institute mandatory data retention = the statute of limitations for bringing civil and criminal copyright actions.

The Data Retention Directive as implemented by Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, and most other EU member states only require retention of ISP logs for six months, but the statute of limitation for bringing a copyright case (civil or criminal) is often three-five years.

So even with the IPRED in conjunction with the Data Retention Directive, rights holders only have a window of six months to detect and discover the first IP addresses in the access chain — not even actual infringers.

So anyone can commit copyright infringement over a multihob connection with another’s access point as first entry in the chain, and if the discovery takes longer than six months, or the endpoint is in a nation without data retention, the copyright holder is out of luck.

For your system to work, you must first extend data retention to = the length permitted to bring a copyright case which is three-five years. Otherwise, you’ll never get to the second stage of the discovery. Good luck with that.

You are also overlooking the fact that even parking tickets, speed cameras are controversial and are often challenged in court. In a lot of countries, the offense is not even civil but administrative. The fine is fixed and goes to the government.

And if you can substantiate that your car was used by someone without your authorization (close analogy to another using your internet connection without permission or that you yourself was victim of a crime, you are not held responsible.

In a lot of countries, it’s a crime to use another’s open wifi without permission, so according to law the account owner whose IP address shows up in a bittorrent swarm, while he can prove he was not at home, may well be a victim.

And last, speed cameras are only widely accepted on the ground that these are set up and regulated by an accountable government agency and the subject is public safety. The purpose is not crime detection, and mostly private organizations aren’t allowed to dish out fines without individualized proof,. Plese show me an example in the physical world, by which a private organization is given such extraordinary power.

Your policy goes against private property, due process and the presumption of innocence.
- Guest
  
  “The Data Retention Directive as implemented by Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, and most other EU member states only require retention of ISP logs for six months, but the statute of limitation for bringing a copyright case (civil or criminal) is often three-five years.”
  
  Retaining data could well be a breech of human rights see article: European Union’s Data Retention Law Could Breach Citizens’ Fundamental Rights
  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121221/04453121464/european-unions-data-retention-law-could-breach-citizens-fundamental-rights.shtml
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    The different rights must always be balanced against each other, this has already been ensured when the Data Retention Directive was implemented.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “The different rights must always be balanced against each other, this has already been ensured when the Data Retention Directive was implemented.”
      
      In reality the EU courts have disagreed on that over and over again, with every single tried implementation of the data retention directive, including one identical to the Swedish one.
      
      You just can’t get it right in one single comment?
    - Guest
      
      “The different rights must always be balanced against each other, this has already been ensured when the Data Retention Directive was implemented.”
      
      Err no it hasn’t, if you read the article you will see that it breeches the rights of citizens in some european countreies.
    - Guest
      
      I agree. We need to install audio recorders in every home, so we can catch every time you perform an unauthorized rendition of “Happy Birthday”. That way, we can ensure that Nejtillpirater stops STEALING THE BREAD FROM THE MOUTH OF LITTLE CHILDREN through his unauthorized performances.
      
      Signed, Random copyright troll.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      Simply doing as the UK govt has just done with copying and format shifting for personal use, this is a much more sensible route to go down that building huge databases of dubious and intrusive personal information for and even more dubious purpose. Acknowledge the facts in law and the whole non-problem vanishes.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Still, we need more accountability. The trend regarding committing more and more crimes hiding under disguise/anonymity is really scary. Both IPSs, VPN services and ISP account owners must be more accountable, taking responsibility for any crimes committed on the Internet.
  - Fredrika
    
    > “Still, we need more accountability.”
    
    Where is the proof that this is needed??? You dreaming it doesn’t count.
    
    > “The trend regarding committing more and more crimes hiding under disguise/anonymity is really scary.”
    
    That’s guilt by association, when you combine different crimes into one conclusion.
    
    People playing with cute kittens and performing non-profit filesharing is not scary, regardless of how they protect their human rights to anonymity and privacy.
    
    > “Both IPSs, VPN services and ISP account owners must be more accountable..”
    
    Because you say so?
    
    > “..taking responsibility for any crimes committed on the Internet.”
    
    Again you prove that you have no respect at all for constitutions or fundamental legal principles. No one is responsible for the crimes of another party. ISP’s, VPN’s and account holders are not the police.
    
    Although i understand fascists are keen on that concept.
  - Guest
    
    I agree. We have to make filthy criminal scum pirates like Nejtillpirater (who refuses to pay the performance fees every time he sings “Happy Birthday”) accountable.
    
    My advice is 20 years in prison… sounds reasonable.
    
    We’ll just decide this in a Democratic way, using a jury of peers. Anyone else agrees?
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      Silly comment. You must be aware of that singing any song privately at home is not a copyright infringement.
      
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=copyright
    - Anyone
      
      @NTP
      how about downloading any song privately at home?
      that’s basically the same thing, making a copy of a song
      
      granted, the download is probably better than my singing, but that’s besides the point
    - Guest
      
      @Nej “Silly comment. You must be aware of that singing any song privately at home is not a copyright infringement.”
      
      Only if it is just you and no one else in the room. Be careful what you do because the MAFFIA will hunt you down and have you extradited to the US to face 20 years in prision.
    - Guest
      
      No, it’s not copyright infringement. What it does infringe is performance rights and you need to pay those too. Silly Nej, you suck on so much copyright phallus you should be ashamed of yourself that you didn’t know that! But don’t worry, I hear Anon is working on making performances count as copies in copyright law. You can jizz in your pants to that if you’d like!
    - Guest
      
      Oh Nej, so besides being a liar, you’re also insane, is it?
      
      As far as I know, people don’t usually do private performances of “Happy Birthday” while taking a shower (unless they have some serious mental issues): most people perform PUBLIC performances of “Happy Birthday” (since they usually involve more than 1 person).
      
      Also, besides being an insane liar, you also fail at reading. Please point out where I said that you were infringing copyrights (protip: you can’t, because i didn’t). What I said is that (according to YOUR OWN twisted logic) you are STEALING from the content creators, since you are taking advantage of a copyrighted work without paying anything (i.e. performance fees) for it. Also, not only are YOU guilty (i.e. the person who’s singing… or, if you prefer, the “uploader”), but also EVERYONE WHO LISTENS TO YOU (i.e. the “downloaders”). That’s how retarded your logic is.
  - Guest
    
    Crimes? What crimes? Non-commercial, personal copyright infringement is NOT A CRIME in my country (and most countries, for that matter).
    
    Enjoy your fail, Mr. Troll.
  - Whatever
    
    @Nejtillpirater
    “taking responsibility for any crimes committed on the Internet. ”
    
    You’re right. YOU should take responsibility for ANY crimes commit on the internet.
    
    So, please report yourself to the nearest police station and tell them you were (and still are) responsible for every crime on the internet.
    
    BTW: I’m not exactly sure how you commited these crimes “on the internet”. There are no laws anywhere that specify a crime as “an internet crime”. Crimes are not defined by the used tools. So what are your internet crimes exactly ?
  - MadAsASnake
    
    People get VPN’s to protect themselves from extortionists. No they do not need to be more accountable – there is nothing to be accountable for.
  - Guest
    
    “Still, we need more accountability.”
    
    You really do live cloud cuckoo pink elephant land. Well the law that is written does not state that a ISP or VPN is responsible for the actions of its users. So again your opinion is not the law and it never will be. By the way if you want these to be guilty by association then you will no doubt be considered a pirate because you are associating on a website that you state is for piracy so you best leave this site otherwise you will be guilty of being a pirate because of logic in guilty of association.
Guest32

@NTP
“I’m sure this can change. ”

So admit that according to current law which is the only standard the court must apply, a claim that an IP address identifies an infringer is a false positive. It’s a false positive, because according to current law, only an individual – not an IP address — can commit copyright infringement.

It’s the same if someone’s DNA is found at a murder scene, and the police claim the DNA evidence is proof of
guilt.

And even DNA evidence found at a murder scene is often not enough to convict someone. If there is a glass with poison, and DNA belonging to person A, B and C is found on the glass, and person D died of drinking the poison, you can’t just assume that the owner of the glass, or of the building or the host of the party is the guilty party.
terrorist96

Am I the first one to realize the guy’s name? Ben Dover? Bend Over?
- Anyone
  
  yes, that’s the point
  his name is a “clever” pun to promote his movies
  - MadAsASnake
    
    pun yes. clever no (OK, maybe by pr0n merchant standards…)
Foff

The easiest way for the isp’s to fix this bullshit is to offer to randomly change ip’s of a customer and destroy records of old ones. In other words if they did not identify the person right away they never could. What I am talking about is a combination of static and dynamic ip’s. If the courts are going to allow wholesale extortion based on ip’s then the consumer deserves protection.

Although we talk about VPN’s people get cut off for pirating from some so at this point it remain to be seen just how much protection they really are. In addition at some point those that don’t cooperate with the mafiaa will come under intense pressure to change. Just look at the history of rapidshare. We all thought they were untouchable then they started to change under pressure and now rapidshare links are rare. In fact with recent changes rapidshare is all but dead for pirates. They are going to go out of business as it is not possible to maintain huge amounts of storage at cheap prices without a lot premium customers that do not use any storage.

Anyway it is clear we need some privacy protection because even if you don’t pirate and your ip gets accused of downloading some porn do you really want your name drug through the courts. This is why people will settle right away whether they are guilty or not. Many careers and marriages have been destroyed based on unproven accusations. The courts really need to be bitch slapped for allowing themselves to used to support this vile type of extortion. We need to pressure isp’s to come up with a way to protect us from this threat and we should not have to pay extra to a vpn on the hope that some vpn will or will not protect us or does or does not keep records.
- Anon
  
  Listen to you!
  Struggling to find ways to continue to break the law, online, unaccountable to your actions.
  
  Fucking idiot.
  If there was ever any doubt about who is truly responsible for the blanketing of law on the network, here it is.
  - Anyone
    
    we all have a right to privacy
    if that right is under attack we must take counter measures
    
    that has nothing to do with breaking the law
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      But if that demand for privacy is made as an excuse for being able to break the law without getting punished, the two are obviously connected to each other.
    - Anyone
      
      it’s none of your business why I want privacy
      that’s what privacy is for ;)
    - Guest
      
      @Nej “But if that demand for privacy is made as an excuse for being able to break the law without getting punished, the two are obviously connected to each other.”
      
      The 2 are not obviously connected to each other. Your opinion dies NOT make it the law and it never will be. Those in power use privacy and break the law when it suits them but do they get punished!!! of course they don’t. Next you will be inisisting on having webcams installed everywhere in every room so the internet police can watch and pounce on you when they believe you have commited an illegal act. I guess you will be really happy to have a webcam in the bathroom so the internet police can see that you are not using a laptop to commit a crime which can and does happen.
    - Guest
      
      @Nej
      
      Furthermore it is written in the United Nations charter that a person has the right to privacy but I guess you want to go against and break a charters rule just because of your opinion well be my guest and break the law of the United Nations charter and you can join the pirate bay founder thats already in prison.
  - Roachdaddy
    
    You Sir are a twat.
  - Guest
    
    “Fucking idiot.
    If there was ever any doubt about who is truly responsible for the blanketing of law on the network, here it is.”
    
    Upset are we? lol
  - steve
    
    Haha I love how this board is being bombarded with these idiots. Here is what happens, internet rules gets changed by morons like this, the innovators, always one step ahead like they are increase the huge amounts of bypasses and new encryption methods to fuck all over them. The innovators work for free and vastly outnumber government innovations. They win all the time and yet idiots like these will keep pushing and forcing tax payers to cough up for yet another useless government funded idea that once again doesn’t work. Endless cycle.
  - Guest
    
    Bawwwww. Your tears are delicious.
  - MadAsASnake
    
    Anon, at best, around 10% of those GEIL accuse might have done what has been accused, quite probably less. GEIL do not care whether you did it or not (don’t know and clearly don’t care to know)… put this in front of a judge (probably Birss) and it will be thrown out. Unfortunately GEIL have already said they have no intention of taking cases to court. Why not? All anyone needs to do is tell GEIL to fuck off, but not everyone will know that.
  - Dude
    
    Who pays for porn? A fucking idiot named Anon.
    
    Download that shit if you want it.
  - xpmule
    
    people have the right to privacy and not be stalked by extortionists !
    ask Princess Dianna about privacy..
    - Wal~Mart
      
      You may not be aware, but you cant ask her, she is dead from a car accident. Drinking and driving dont mix.
  - Foff
    
    DO you want your name drug through the mud for something you didn’t do? This has nothing to with pirating. Things like this allow wholesale extortion without any proof. As I said no one wants to fight an accusation of downloading porn whether they did it or not. There are no same guards, they can accuse anyone they can get an ip for, Many will pay to avoid scandal even if they are completely innocent. What stops these people from asking for the identity of any ip whether anything was downloaded or not? How does the isp determine if the request is justified and legitimate. Why do you do assume all those purporting to fight piracy are all innocent? What makes you people so holier then hell?
  - Wal~Mart
    
    Hey boss, lets take a break and go get some Orville Redenpecker popcorn.
Who

I looked this up a wile back and found out that the UK government CAN monitor internet connections to insure justice for intellectual property theft. BUT the problem is that they defiantly got the definition of theft incorrect. and its sad when it does say in there law’s that ONLY government is allowed to monitor and this that they allow a 3rd party to do it. so this isn’t justice at all, its nothing but corruption.
Roachdaddy

Martin Niemöller: “First they came for the Socialists.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the pirates–and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller:(1892-1984)
(My edit)
- Guest
  
  …and then they came for Nejtillpirater…. and no one cared.
  - MegaAssBlaster
    
    “…and then they came for Nejtillpirater…. and people cheered”
    
    FTFY
    - Wal~Mart
      
      …and then they came for Bobmail…. and his 2nd cousin Stevemail…. and Anon and I ate popcorns.
chris p bacon

i shit on their letter and post it back with Nigerian rubber cheque, fuckers
chris p bacon

anyway should have posted this with my other . apparently, a neighbour of mine, had a movie from this source, and it seems there was a digital code in the download hidden in the interleaving, apparently, i am trying to get my hands on an illlegal copy so i can get inside and confirm this?. is this possible?. and if it is, wtf, is not this the same as sony with their infamous cd’s a few years back?. in other words, is it not illegal to insert code into something so companies can spy on us?. maybe i am on the wrong track, but a gut feeling tells me a court case would backfire on these scum as what they are doing to gain identities is illegal. it’s not normal for me to think, but, well, maybe it’s the christmas pudding that done it, but i just had to ask, and here seems the place where the action is
- xpmule
  
  they probably just spied on anyone that downloaded a movie and then went onto harass people.. and its unlikely a digital code was added.. more than likely they are lying and simply target people based on the file’s hash code.
  The only way for a digital code to be inside a movie you download is if THEY made the file your downloading lol
  And THEY do not .
  So tell your friend to tell them to fuck off ;)
Syborg

I’m not attracted to 5c crack whores. I can’t stand the greys in their gaps. Shoot the next newbie that moves or gets sued.
Guest32

@NTP
“The different rights must always be balanced against each other, this has already been ensured when the Data Retention Directive was implemented.”

Excellent, so you are satisfied with a retention period of six months. The directive requires no more, and the mandate only applies to internet service and telco providers – not to VPn services?

I think not. In other threads you have complained of the loopholes in existing law and advocated a tightening of liability and retention not even current law would permit.

And no, the the rights was not balanced in the Data Retention Directive. The highest courts in Germany, The Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria and latest Ireland and Austria have either held the implementing legislation violative of human rights or expressed serious doubt as to the directive’s compatibility with these rights.
And you have still not responded to the argument that no private corporation is allowed to dish out fines in the physical world.

You like your comrade Anon is a serial obfuscator and deceiver. You can’t coherently state an argument and follow its argumentative logic.
Somehow I don’t understand why TF keeps you around, but on the other hand your advocacy of statist and fascist policies offers a necessary glimse into the mindset of copyright maximalists.
- Guest
  
  Yup. Understand that Nejtillpirater actually provides a useful service for the TF community… it’s good to know beforehand what are the failed argumentation strategies copyright maximalists use to justify their attempts at enforcing anti-capitalistic monopolies, disregard for physical property laws and the destruction of privacy and free speech.
  
  But… yeah… if this is the best “they” have to offer… I’m kinda disappointed, actually.
  - Anyone
    
    Anon and Pelouze are also hilarious
    
    but with NTP you can actually feel that he believes the lies he spouts, it’s kinda sad to suffer from such delusions and to be so detached from any reality
    - Wal~Mart
      
      Hey, shouldnt I get recognization too for all the hard work I do to stop you pirates? You shouldnt watch these pronographic movies anyways because its sinful. If Mr. Walton was still alive he would not sell this bend over garbage but he would sure be against stealing it to, because it makes you turn into a homo. Just my 2 cents.
- MadAsASnake
  
  Nej, Anon, Pelouzer et al. are very valuable. They are fantastic at expressing the abject stupidity of the copyright maximalist agenda and are so ludicruos as to be a millstone for that agenda.
- Remember Infosec
  
  Exactly why we should encourage him to comment, but not give him any information in return.
  
  “”Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in every battle.”"
  
  Feeding the troll is a dangerous game. The last thing one would want to do is help to prepare maffia goons to argue against sound logic. Just let them continue to wallow in their own stupidity so that it’s us catching them off guard when the time comes.
  - Anyone
    
    the good thing about sound logic is that you can’t argue against it
guest number

Who are considered “file-sharers”?
Are they the ones who
1) upload the files,
2) download the files.
3) or both?
- Anyone
  
  4) any random IP
  - The_habasha
    
    really…. i don’t know much about these terms.
    
    say that someone types something on a search-engine and a link pops up. You click on the link and download that file, is the downloader a file-sharer?
    - Anyone
      
      it doesn’t matter if you downloaded their porn or not, you might get a letter no matter what you do
      
      their “evidence” gathering is so shoddy it wouldn’t stand up in court
      
      so if you do receive a letter, simply ignore it
      if they send another letter write back and deny everything
      that will usually shut them up
      
      more info: http://torrentfreak.com/o2-be-customers-all-you-need-to-handle-a-ben-dover-file-sharing-letter-121204/
Guest32

@Fredrika
“” “Sure, as I directed you to in another thread, nothing in EU community law precludes a country from legalizing copying for personal use, on the condition
that the copyright holder gets a compensation via a copying levy.”"

“That’s not entirely accurate. The European Union Copyright Directive mentions fair compensation, but it does not specify it any further, and it does not
have to be economical compensation in the form of a copying levy. Falkvinge suggested six years ago that a more reasonable solution is that the monopoly
owners are compensated when they have proven actual damages in court, which they won’t be able to do.”

I in principle agree, but the shortterm strategy for success is securing the downloaders from civil and criminal prosecution.

Even a media levy like that in force in The Netherlands is good for file sharing, even though it only goes so far as legalizing the receiving end of the transaction.

First, it’s important to build up a legal discourse and electoral constituency around the act of file sharing. If enough people are conditioned to the morality and legality of acquiring content there are technical and legal limits to how far copyright maximalists can go in their enforcement against uploaders.

If downloading from illegal sources is legal without any buts or ifs, it becomes harder to prosecute anyone for making the material available, because the mere act of possession is no longer in itself illegal, and proving further distribution is often impossible without strong corroborating evidence.

I agree with the PP that the non-commercial part of the copyright monopoly must be abolished, but in the short term, I am contend to destroy the copyright monopoly by a million cuts.

- Make it uneconomical to go after downloaders, and tighten the evidentiary requirement in copyright enforcement up to the point at which only catching a physical person red handed is deemed sufficient proof in a court of law.

- Use well considered legal test cases to set up the copyright lobby for defeat in the public opinion.

It was how the civil rights movement was able to frame the debate and persuade the majority to support desegregation.

The possibilities are limitless, and the copyright lobby only has less than a generation to turn the tide in its favor before the younger generation is lost.

In the meantime, granting the copyright lobby a media levy in exchange for weakened copyright enforcement is something I can live with. It may be a shortterm concession, but not to last. Any media levy granted to copyright holders can be rolled back, when the public consensus in favor of abolition of copyright has overtaken the political process.
- ScrewEwe2
  
  “If downloading from illegal sources is legal without any buts or ifs, it becomes harder to prosecute anyone for making the material available,”
  
  What about the “ands”, as in “ands ifs or buts”?
  
  OK, I know it’s a fail as far as humor goes, and it deserves a fail, but if I hadn’t posted this, it would have bugged me all night long.
guess

We live in a fucked up world when porn has copyrights to it and the courts allow them to harass people for money. Don’t pay for Ben Dover porn never.
xpmule

Thanks for another story Torrent Freak crew !

You guys are doing a great job finding stories to post etc
sometimes i wonder how you come up with so many and of high quality too.

TF does a good job supporting people yet stays neutral just enough to make things fair i think.. i hope more of the average computers can find some of the stuff you post here such as the 2 links that are at the end of this story.

more and more average people are getting victimized by the endless attacks on suspected file sharing internet users and sites like this become more and more useful / informative and helpful.
JG

OK, so… My understanding of the rational of going after pirates so harshly is because they’re taking away the income of these poor, starving, soon-to-be bankrupt artist… So how exactly is using a law office who plans to keep 3/4 of any income received from the pirates helpful?

Granted, some is better than none, I suppose, but still… Maybe if the percent was reversed, like Apple, keeping 30% of all iTunes sales… Especially since Golden Eye really isn’t doing all that much work…. The server can just sit there monitoring the various swarms of torrents, nabbing new IPs as they come on & feeding the info into a database used to mail-merge into the pre-made subpoena petition form to compel the ISPs to hand over account holder info…. Then just merge that data into a threatening pay-up-or-else letter, shove them into envelops & mail them out…
- Guest
  
  Understand: these actions taken by lawyers and copyright monopolists are not about fair compensation of artists and other content creators, but simply about extortion for their own profit and fear-mongering.
  
  The fact that they need to blatantly lie to people (i.e. “piracy is theft” or “personal, non-commercial copyright infringement is crime” or (my favourite) “downloading copyrighted works is an illegal crime”), either through ads, press releases or paid trolls, demonstrates their level of despair.
iMesZiv0x

As many have already stated an, IP address does not = personal identification. This is the fundamental flaw. You wouldn’t even need a lawyer. You could represent yourself. No judge, in their right mind, would conclude a conviction based on IP address alone. As a defendant, you have the right to see the evidence against you. If this is the only evidence they have, then it would be a waste of taxpayer’s money and the case would be thrown out. GE could then be held accountable for wasting a courts time.

GG.
- MadAsASnake
  
  True. This is why all the x strikes schemes, and all the extortion schemes, they will go to ridiculous lengths because they don’t have a case, and know they don’t have a case. Unfortunately, there are a lot of judges in the world that are unaware, and content to be unaware of just how poor IP is. Remember, the trolls never allow a case to get far enough to actually see the evidence. In the UK, we have Judge Birss however, not a happy thought for GEIL. Most legal systems have mechanisms to bar this sort of thing. In the UK, there is a list of people / organisations that have been barred from the courts for vexatious litigation (repeated litigation based on dishonest argument) – I would like to see GEIL and all it’s members on that list.
- JG
  
  “No judge, in their right mind, would conclude a conviction based on IP address alone”
  
  See…. That’s your problem… You’re forgetting all of the $$$ (or I suppose in this case £££) MAFIAA agents have “donated” to the judge’s “re-election” fund…
  
  Why do you think they pick specific areas to file their suits against downloaders… They know they can’t bribe (er donate to) every single judge in the country…. Plus having the trial take place as far away from the defendant’s home as possible puts another strain on the defendant, causing him to fold even quicker…
  - MadAsASnake
    
    This is UK. These will (if any ever get filed – that is unlikely) end up in the Patents court and likely to be seen by Judge Birss. Read up on him, it’s a breath of fresh air.
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