Comments on: Court Hits BitTorrent Users Who Failed to Appear

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:06:47 +0000

im in the process of waiting for my court papers as they have told me this is the next step as i would not pay for something i didnt do and cant just pay hundreds of pounds to get them off my back cause i dont have it this is what i told them.
if my court date arrives i will defend myself bgut thats all i can do. i didnt do it. end of. ill be furious if im proved guilty for somehing i havent done

By: Starky

Starky — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:26:28 +0000

Indeed, ignore the letter from the law firm (Davenport), but never, ever ever a summons from the court. Though personally I’d probably respond with a polite denial, outlining the many reasons why it could have been someone else, or maybe even that I was within my legal right to download the game as I own a legally purchased copy and European law allows for having a backup copy (then I’d go out and buy a copy of the game before the court case, hehe).

With 10 mins of net research you could find a defence that almost any civil court would find you innocent over.
pretty much as simple as “can you prove it was me?”. It’s been ruled over and over again that IP does not equal proof of identity, hell, not even location in these wireless days.

By: mr magoo

mr magoo — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:36:28 +0000

i received a letter from these robbing nastys…. davenport lyons for a game two worlds which i ignored
i have now moved…. considering i did not receive a letter from my isp about copyright infringement just a letter from them saying they want Â£7-800 so thats my reason for not replying to the letter…it is scary however that the amount of time they take to get you to court …..ie 2-3 years ……..and i also own the game so ill see them i court…..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:00:55 +0000

I am not very good at website design, but I have attempted to create a pledge for people who are willing to struggle for a cause, so that there might be a chance that we could take action collectively.

It is at http://www.28chan.org/pledge.php

What do you people think?

By: Anonym Uk

Anonym Uk — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:15:01 +0000

I’d be interested to know if the people who “lost” those cases actually exist?

By: LawStudent

LawStudent — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:51:44 +0000

First day of civil procedure my professor screamed:

NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER DEFAULT

It is so important to actually show up and respect the court’s authority if they have chosen to hear a case. If you’ve got notice, you must show up and defend yourself. Don’t make that mistake.

By: Gro Boy

Gro Boy — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:07:32 +0000

Not the same story, but on a related theme

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7486743.stm

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:22:50 +0000

#11, the article was published in the Evening standard, and that is an official news paper. See below.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23504107-details/Court+victory+for+computer+games+firm+in+crackdown+on+illegal+downloads/article.do

By: netuser123

netuser123 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:26:35 +0000

Do these lawyers even have a technical background ? I doubt they even know bout how stuff like ip addresses, bittorrent protocol, swarm work. I mean what possible proof could they have obtained – A snapshot of someone’s ip address participating in the swarm ?? N wat credibility wud that kinda proof hold ??

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:15:48 +0000

@19 Death to anti-p2p’ers. Let’s P together. What next? Double life imprisonment for accidentally touching someone in a crowd? Sexual assault for shaking someone’s hand a second too long? Talk about your bureaucracy gone mad. $4000 court fees for not even showing up?

By: jimmy

jimmy — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:27:28 +0000

enough of these types of cases and it will become routine a victory for them is a victory… this will set presidents…

in other words in other court fights they will refer to these cases as won and use them to prosecute others…

just as the irs gained its power

By: Just_a_Thought

Just_a_Thought — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:20:44 +0000

Is this a trick to prove that we need new laws? This is the UK.

Its shite over here. In every sence, the way our government is going.

Setup ?

Any know thier names, etc?

theregister.co.uk has news on it now.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:31:31 +0000

So they’ve got default judgments against 4 people out of god knows how many hundreds they threatend to take to court.

Is it not lightly that these are just people who have moved or for who the address details are simply wrong and therefore never knew they where being taken to court so did not attend!

I suspect they’ll not be collecting much of the “fines” or costs

By: tfcensorshipstinksbyebye

tfcensorshipstinksbyebye — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:00:51 +0000

I’m done talking on this useless site… Where your opinions are monitored for words that will trigger an alarm bell…
Paranoid???

By: nubz

nubz — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:50:10 +0000

It really doesnt matter who there going after, uploaders and downloaders fall into the same catagory. USERS. This is just the way bittorrent works, you cant really be one or the other, if your not uploading anything, trackers ignore you.

Everything is basicly linked to something else in bittorrent, which is why it is decentralized. Which is why it is so hard to destroy.

You can come up with names for different types of users but in the end there all just users or part of the swarm. Theres no HEAD to the swarm that you can cut off.. if there was the MAFIAA would have sliced it years ago.

So if your thinking about trying to dodge a bullet by not doing a certain thing, your out of luck. Your either in or your out, choose one.

By: defence

defence — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:48:13 +0000

It would cost well over Â£15,000 to defend one of these cases. I doubt the people they are suing has the resources to put up a fight.

By: Gro Boy

Gro Boy — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:54:07 +0000

What’s unclear is whether they will pursue people who download, or those who upload (seeders).

In the past messages on this from RIAA and the UK equivalent (cant remember their name) have only ever said they will target those who upload and share, not leechers. The articles I’ve read today chop and change between saying they are targeting ‘uploaders’, then saying ‘downloaders’, then saying ‘sharing’.

What were these four fined for? Uploading/Seeding or downloading? Who do Davenport represent, just Codemasters and this Pinball game maker?

By: Ak

Ak — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:34:14 +0000

What next?

Riaa sues dog for dancing for a song played over radio….

http://www.hack5.blogspot.com

By: matr0ska

matr0ska — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:31:33 +0000

I hope BitTorrent users get death sentence.

By: nubz

nubz — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:55:10 +0000

Mabye there names were Cannon Laserjet 4400, or Copier Machine Office #12…

Mabye they sued office machines.. afterall.. they do P2P all the timez… lolz

Hah.. that copier machine didnt show up.. WIN!!

By: Killer Tree

Killer Tree — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:12:50 +0000

Does it make a difference if it turns out those 4 DID download that game and don’t want to risk giving those @$$ holes an actual win?

By: mike

mike — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:43:03 +0000

the four people are probably d.p jockey,s,simple they dont have to pay,d.p puts a tick as paid,so immoral? logistep and the rest are so underhanded it,s untrue,if anyone get,s a letter from the court,s turn up and stand your ground,tell the court that there client put the game on p2p,it,s no different to what there doing to youask for proof that logistep have permission to monitor ip ads,the goverment are only recently allowed to under the terror laws,wow logistep a law to themselves

By: Idiots....

Idiots.... — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:30:48 +0000

WFT… Why didnt u 4 chase the fukkers ?

If ya good enuff to use torrent it’s not that hard to google. You’d have had a wealth of information on how to tackle this rather than a No-Show.

This is exactly what the fukkers wanted a UK WIN. You have now given it to them…

U F00Lz…

By: JImmy Dowapp

JImmy Dowapp — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:51:07 +0000

LOL, seems lately Lawyers are without doubt the BOTTOM FEEDERS of the world. Like Pond Scum!

By: im a secret

im a secret — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:41:45 +0000

The sheer fact they will not allow other partys to examine there evidence is more then enough reason to completely drop the case and have them banned.

There is absolutely no way you can accuse someone with secret evidence.

I would walk into that court room, ask them to allow there evidence to be examined, they will say no, I would look at the judge and just smile.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:36:34 +0000

This actually sounds like a clever scam. Maybe some form of Mafia group will pick up on this in the near future – it seems very profitable.

By: me

me — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:19:49 +0000

Now this seems very intresting as so far the only 2 news reports on this story are from either a internet site, or a free give away people that people get on the tube.

I’ve checked a couple of sites such as the register, and the times newspaper and so far found nothing. Now if the Assclowns have managed to get these wins in the courts, how come there are only 2 refernces that can be found at the moment, and more to the point why are they not making a big song and dance about it. To people like the times newspaper and also the BBC, are the trying to hide the fact they have managed to scam the legal system in the uk.

Also I can’t wait till they take someone to court who will turn up, and with them bring a long prove that they are innocent and can tear shreads out of the fake and incorrect data provided by a company. That has already been banned from operating in there own home country and other european countries. Plus add to this evidence from the french courts that prove these Ass bandits are just running a scam, for example the french solicitor who was banned for sending out the same type letters that they are.

Plus logistep will not allow there software to be audited by independent experts for accuracy because they know all it does is throw out a load of crap, and that a person can prove this is true because they have proof they could have not downloaded this or any games the company is claiming.

By: wow

wow — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:07:43 +0000

What cowards.. there just scared of the rich kid with the rich parents with the rich lawyer.. that will blast them a new asshole.

If they loose a case, there done for.

By: lolo

lolo — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:12:48 +0000

Read this in the paper the earlier. Seen 2 letter but no action yet, it will be funny when someone fights back and watches them disappear.

By: Me

Me — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:03:21 +0000

I guess that’s what happends to people who rely n Torrent Freak for legal advice…

Way to go…

By: TehStalker

TehStalker — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:18:37 +0000

im gonna upload that shitty game now :)

By: #YLS#

#YLS# — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:15:37 +0000

In all honesty… I’m a little annoied at these fours.

Everyone who does anything illegal in the eyes of the law should face it, not stick there head in the stand.

So ok they might of had good reasons, but if you just don’t show up then whats the point?

By: Grr

Grr — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:09:26 +0000

I have suddenly strongly gotten into the mood to upload Dream Pinball 3D PC and console versions in various ways of transfering files with the message “Don’t buy from these people”.

A job well done!

By: P2P Lover

P2P Lover — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:41:55 +0000

The courts don’t care since they(the court) also profits off of these frivolous cases and anything that the court can profit off of is good to them. We need a law that states if you bring a lawsuit against someone and lose then you are automatically 100% responsible for their court costs. This would not only stop frivolous lawsuits in general but just maybe after these pathetic firms that defend “copywrong” law lose enough cases they will give up because the cost is to great for them in the end.

By: mikey

mikey — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:37:05 +0000

peer guardian rules.
fuck em all

By: Drunk :D

Drunk :D — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:21:10 +0000

There just in it to scare people and make easy money

By: Welshie

Welshie — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:20:14 +0000

I wonder how many other people will get sued before the courts catch on to the scam…