Cyberlocker Offered To Help Prosecute Users To Settle $34.8m Copyright Suit

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A cyberlocker being sued for $34.8 million by an adult studio agreed in principle to a remarkable set of demands to settle a copyright infringement lawsuit. TorrentFreak has learned that file-hosting service Oron said it would turn over the IP addresses, banking details and email addresses of users alleged to have infringed copyright. The troubled cyberlocker then offered to assist plaintiff Liberty Media in civil prosecutions against its own customers.

Last month, adult studio Corbin Fisher (through owners Liberty Media) sued the operators of file-hosting service Oron for a cool $34.8 million, claiming that they induce the sharing of copyright infringing files via their service.

The rhetoric in court filings has been harsh, with Liberty Media’s lawyer Marc Randazza openly referring to Oron as ‘criminals’ who do not qualify for safe harbor under the DMCA.

After having their funds in the US frozen, Oron unsuccessfully tried to have several hundred thousand dollars released, ostensibly to pay for their legal battles and hosting. A judge agreed to release $100,000 but no more, leading Liberty Media to warn Oron users that the file-hoster could collapse.

But for all the rhetoric and public aggression, more considered discussions were going on behind the scenes last month.

It is already a matter of record that Liberty Media asked Oron for $500,000 to settle the case and that Oron rejected the amount as “unreasonable”. But the negotiations between the two companies went much further than straightforward cash offers – much, much further.

TorrentFreak has learned that on June 23rd Oron offered Liberty Media $50,000, some ten times less than was originally demanded. In addition, Oron said that should an agreement be reached it could become particularly helpful towards the adult studio.

After a request from Liberty, Oron said it could indeed take “both strong and bold measures to keep Liberty Media content off of its servers” by giving Liberty direct and “unfettered” deletion access to its systems.

Then, in order to generate revenue, removed copyright-infringing content could be substituted for links pointing to locations where people could buy official product from Liberty instead.

“Oron will receive no income from such links until Liberty has recouped gross income of $400,000 after which Liberty shall pay to Oron 50% of its profits from said links,” Oron suggested.

There is nothing particularly surprising in the above since similar systems are operated at other file-hosting sites. But this is where things begin to escalate.

Oron also offered to “permanently ban, by email address, PayPal account, IP address or any other reasonable and robust metric, any user who is the subject of even a single Liberty Media takedown notice.” Any user flagged as infringing Liberty’s copyrights would also have their payments frozen by Oron.

Then, in a wakeup call to anyone who thinks that cyberlockers offer almost bulletproof security, at Liberty Media’s request Oron confirmed that should a settlement deal be reached, the company could offer the following:

Oron will assist Liberty in identification and civil prosecution of any parties who have been using Oron to distribute Liberty’s copyrighted material, including but not be limited to, full disclosure of IP addresses, banking information, emails and any other information that may assist in Liberty in such prosecution.

Finally, and to wrap the whole deal up in a neat bow, Oron accepted Liberty Media’s offer to provide “some public relations help for Oron in order to minimize the chance of other lawsuits being brought against it” by stating, contrary to earlier assertions, that Oron does deserve safe harbor under the DMCA after all.

Liberty Media’s offer was dated June 22 and Oron’s counter offer was dated June 23 with a June 25 deadline. General agreement was evident on all major issues except the cash offer. Whether their differences on that point will kill the whole deal remains to be seen.

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Maxxori

Hmm. Wouldn’t sharing that data violate the user agreement contract their users signed up for?

I’m pretty sure that would be illegal in most countries under the definition of “wrongful use of stored data”.
- thedude321
  
  Exactly. This is what you get when you store your files on a ‘dirty’ cyberlocker.
  - Admin
    
    Haha ya!
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- Haedocynic
  
  Agreed: this deal will most probably be illegal.
  - Fff
    
    there are no privacy laws in a faschist state
    - Abc
      
      However you probably like the money coming from this state
    - Guest
      
      “However you probably like the money coming from this state…”
      
      What money? The US is a parasite, not a contributor, gifted in stealing ideas and claiming them as its own. And even then it’s reliant on foreign bankers to keep its economy running.
      
      Pretty soon those bankers will realise the US is broker than Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland and all the other dysfunctional economies combined and WILL NEVER PAY ITS DEBTS OFF.
      
      From that point, the fall of Pax America will be much more rapid than the shadow boxing we see happening today.
    - K7
      
      The US is a parasite of teh wolrd , they will never pay debts , if creditor countries will say something about that , im shure they will attack , they will make a war and then will force these countries to pay more..in that way works USA
      
      They stealing ideas form UE and from entire world , never respect human rights and intelectual proprety , international laws but for others to do it , is not a surprise – who it is USA ? was builded with ex criminals , deliquents , deported people ,with people who trake ,trade and sale slaves , people without culture without moral without traditions , people who kill and take lands of native americans (indians) an ex colony of Great Britain aka UK used like a place for deport criminals who revolt against UK , people who “civilizing” ( what a irony and hipocrisy !) native americans , wich prosecute them for assimilation , people who kill and put them after into dry reservation lands – thats say all about who it is USA – a country who get crime in their genes , a country who it is a real danger for entire wolrd
      
      In one day US it will be in war , maybe wolrd will destroy these stupid fat greedy liars , these parasites or wolrd will be destroyed slaved by them
      Maybe people will stop to be foolished and start to think and ask yourelf about what doing USA with banking system ,with genetic mutations, why attack just countries where can get some oil , why they dont pay debts , why they develop more mass destruction weapons (maybe they prepare fa war for conquer and enslav entire wolrd becouse is much easy to take then pay for natural resoursces , is much easy to put slaves to work for you etc etc ) why they break human rights – privacy, international laws ,why they lies about terrorism ( a good excuse for getting people rights, freedom , privacy) why they spend billions on army but almoust nothing on education , health care, etc – thats and more questions say all about a country who pretend to be “civilizated” “master” of the world – it is just a country of crimes , inculture , vilolence based on army , on high level corruption – high bribes , manipulation and lies !
    - Sick
      
      “. And even then it’s reliant on foreign bankers to keep its economy running.”
      
      Not reliant, they’ve destroyed the US economy, get your facts straight.
      
      “The US is a parasite of teh wolrd , they will never pay debts”
      
      How easily you people fall into exactly what has been planned. Blame the USA, not the bankers running the country.
      
      Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, right?
      
      Morons.
- ABC
  
  Isn’t this bad publicity for Liberty Media being a Gay Porn pusher. Let’s see Mitt Romney try and defend that to his mormon flock
  - Andyman
    
    WTF does this article have to do with our up and coming president Mitt Romeny exactly?
    - Jackresquizit
      
      he’s apparently republican. according to most liberals, republicans are to blame for everything. I’m a fucking anarchist and the liberals are the idiots that made this regime in the first place. along with the copyright laws and they’re the ones who originally started the war against piracy back in the day when napster was around… for free… and not a bullshit company.
    - http://www.facebook.com/james.linton.3954 James Linton
      
      Do you really think “up and coming” is a good phrase to describe a Presidential candidate in a thread about gay porn?…
    - Andyman
      
      Its appropriate as any. Why are you gay? Lol
    - http://www.facebook.com/james.linton.3954 James Linton
      
      Stay classy Andyman…
    - Moo
      
      woh! are you saying mitt and the republican party are ok with piracy and copyright infringement? that changes everything. why the hell aren’t they pushing that angle, as that would certainly get votes.
    - Andyman
      
      From what I understand it was joe biden who attacked megaupload without cause. So I’m not sure what mitt romneys position is but I clearly understand the democrapic parties position. That clear it up for you? Romney 2012
- townie2
  
  i agree. Oron users should sue them, they paid for a service that includes privacy and secutrity, and Oron has failed to live up to that. they (Oron) weren’t complaining when they were making millions.
  - GUEST
    
    Find your $150,000 then to sue them then. Those users who made money on Oron does not have this cash as they were only granted $50 for sale..Or so. They’re pretty far off from a lawsuit. Good luck.
- Fadedlighthouse
  
  It is probably legal to share that data because (I’m guessing here) uploaders have to agree not to upload copywritten material. So the uploaders breached their contract with Oron.
Anyone

that’s why you don’t pay for content available for free

I hope people have learned their lesson and will never pay for porn again
- Decimus
  
  Apparently, they’re more afraid of the porn industry than they are of the users. The users now have the right to sue Oron.
  - GUEST
    
    Find your $150,000 then to sue them then. Those users who made money on
    Oron does not have this cash as they were only granted $50 for sale..Or
    so. They’re pretty far off from a lawsuit. Good luck.
  - WillSueOron
    
    We are already preparing to sue Oron and their parent company as soon as they violate our privacy. I suggest you speak to your attorney if you are in the USA, as you do have a legal case here.
- Abc
  
  Apples are free in my local shop too. Until the owner notices.
  - dwpbike
    
    when you are done with the porn you paid for, could you post it on tpb?
  - Anyone
    
    then stop stealing and start copying
    - The Gardener
      
      The ironic thing about those apples? They’re infinitely copyable too! LOL :)
  - Wallace
    
    The difference is that content available for free is free with the consent of its owner.
    - FreeInternet777
      
      Yeah, but what if the limitations placed upon the object you legally purchased basically say you dont own it. No, you cant share it with your friends. No, you cant make a copy before the disk gets scratched. etc
http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

Well, at least the rotten apple in the barrel has been identified.

One bad fruit from a 100+ good ones, I like those odds.
- Guest
  
  Agree, but they happen to have a gazzilion users, so we’re talking about a giant apple really.
Ishigidydigidy

I looked up this website, and I have to say I’m not feeling TOO sorry for the users. They’re uploading this data with the intent of making cash. That’s the definition of copyright infringement, REAL copyright infringement. Whether or not it’s the fault of the cyberlocker is up for debate, but I also believe that this could have been settled with a few simple takedown requests.

The fact that I don’t feel sorry for the users does not, by any means, believe I think this is okay. As a matter of fact, I think this is just as bad as the RIAA or MPAA wanting some $35,000 per song downloaded or whatever ridiculous number they can come up with. Suing isn’t the answer to everything, it’s just a last ditch effort of a failing business model to make a quick grab for cash before they sink for good.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  How do you know that? I know many ‘piracy’ (not really) sites that upload things there with absolutely no intention in the slightest of making cash.
  - Ishigidydigidy
    
    From what I gathered in this article, the site is targeting users who used the affiliate program to make a quick buck off uploaded content that wasn’t theirs(actual copyright infringement). I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, but I have no sympathy for someone who does that.
    - Trynd
      
      Eh. I can’t say I care. There’s usually a form of profit in uploading. At most filesharing sites, it’s a positive opinion from the community. In this, it’s money. In both cases, there is a reward. Can’t say I care that one reward is different than the other.
- FreeInternet777
  
  Ive been thinking about this comment. Its a good one. How’s this though, REAL copyright infringement is making money off the content you dont have the rights for..ok. This is what I have been thinking about. If we got rid of copyright then being a middleman and making money of the creators content would be wrong. You are taking his hard work and making money from it. Back to copyright, the owner of the rights to that content is angry at you because, like him, but unlicenced, you are making money. That’s an income that he bought from the creator. The creator has been paid and that’s it. This is a fight amoungst the middlemen. It has little to do with the creator and the enduser.
  - Guest
    
    “copyright then being a middleman and making money of the creators content would be wrong.”
    
    How so? Copyright is, literally, what creates the rights that creators have. Without copyright or some other law such as creative commons, they do not have those rights, and copyright infringement can not exist. Being a middleman would not be “wrong” in this situation, because there would be no rights to infringe upon. If anything, it would be easier, because without any rights to infringe upon, it couldn’t be said to be wrong to sell any piece of content, regardless of your lack of affiliation with the creator. In order for it to be wrong like you claim, you would have to actively create a law making it illegal to be a middleman. Not even a non-transferable right would do that, as that would still allow the creators to allow middlemen to do business for them.
    
    (A quick note; you may think that creators have a moral right that exists without copyright, but the law doesn’t recognize moral laws, and it’s the law we’re concerned with here.)
    
    Also, remember that in the current situation, the middlemen do (usually) have the legal rights to the content. Remember that many creators are also lousy marketers and businessmen, and do not have start-up money to create their projects (especially for movies/games). That’s part of the reason why middlemen remain; they may not appeal to the consumers, but the benefits they offer do appeal to the creators (music may be the only near-complete exception to this, because it is easy to market and relatively cheap to make). In short, in order to really get rid of the middlemen, we need to offer the creators the same services the middlemen offer them. If we are the customers to the creators, then the creators are the customers to the middlemen. We need to offer a better deal before the middlemen will go away.
- Trynd
  
  I have a question; why don’t you feel sorry for them. They’re trying to make money, but I don’t get why you care. Is it because it’s greedy? Well, normal piracy is greedy too. After all, we do it so we can avoid paying for things we want. I want to know why this should be considered different in any way, because I don’t see it as any different. It is roughly the same legally (at least, it is where I live), and I see no reason it shouldn’t be considered the same morally too.
  - Ishigidydigidy
    
    Greed is a part of it, there’s no doubting that, but it’s completely different to do that and then start making money off of it. If someone doesn’t want to pay for something, fine. You might not think it’s worth your money, or you might not think that it’s worth as much as they’re asking.
    
    That’s fine, I don’t care, but when you take something that you had no hand in producing, financially or otherwise, and then turn around to make a profit off of it, it’s kind of different. It’s the same thing as taking a pirated song/movies and then selling the songs on a CD on the street.
    
    SO:Piracy == making the decision as a consumer that something isn’t worth as much as is being asked for it, or deciding that it’s just not worth your money at all. You’re taking it and using it for your own enjoyment. We could argue the morality behind that until both of us area blue in the face, so I won’t go there.Piracy != downloading a song and then selling it on the street. You’re taking something you didn’t pay for, and then profiting. Again, we could argue the morals and ethics of piracy and fencing until we’re both reduced to nothing but bumbling idiots trying to take cheap cracks at eachothers logic, so I’m really not willing to go there.
    - Guest
      
      ” You might not think it’s worth your money, or you might not think that it’s worth as much as they’re asking. ”
      
      I doubt this argument because people pirate the cheap stuff like music or cheap games at rates at or above that of higher-costed products. It seems like something that could be an explanation for people’s behavior, but that doesn’t actually address what people do. That said, I can’t help but think that the fact that people know they can get it for free changes their perception of how much the product is worth to them. To put it simply, if it’s not worth paying for, it seems very greedy to want to use it anyway.
      
      “the same thing as taking a pirated song/movies and then selling the songs on a CD on the street. ”
      
      I’m not sure what’s wrong with that. So long as you don’t make the fraudulent claim that you produced the work, I can’t see the problem in this. You do the work to make a copy (what little work it is), then that copy is yours and you should be entitled to do as you wish with it. Property rights remain supreme.
      
      “Piracy == making the decision as a consumer that something isn’t worth
      as much as is being asked for it, or deciding that it’s just not worth
      your money at all.”
      
      As stated before, I don’t accept that this is a proper explanation of the decision process in piracy. The addition of the knowledge that all of the content is available for free makes me think that a semi-objective value assessment is not really being carried out.
      
      If you don’t wish to take this any further, I understand. Debating morality can get annoying. I will say that from where I stand, I don’t see any moral difference between the two acts. It seems like we demonize one simply because monetary profit is involved.
      
      Oh, and I’m not going to attack your logic. Your logic is perfectly fine, I just think your fundamental propositions are somewhat different than mine, and I’d like to understand them better.
      
      P.S. If it’s not clear from the post, I’m fine with greed. I’m a pirate, I have to be.
      I just don’t see how it can be said that piracy is any less greedy than
      selling the stuff. You’re still making a profit through avoidance of
      the payment for an acquired good, so I don’t see how it could be any
      different.
    - Guest
      
      Oh, and Guest and Trynd are the same, in case the name change seems odd.
ofProto

Fuck Oron die and burn in hell.
Master

Sellouts.
AAAAAAAAAAA

They’re uploading this data with the intent of making cash.LOL ARE U FOR REAL
- Guest
  
  I don’t understand TorrentFreak commenters sometimes. I mean, one day they are all pro-file sharing (even if they have an affiliate system they say something along the lines; “it’s for the content owners” even though that’s completely not true) and today we curse at Oron for the intent to profit from piracy?
  
  Here is a nice example the two types of file hosts;
  Dropbox, made for money but from legit storage, not intended for illegal usage.
  Fileserve(back in its day), made money from warez uploaders and also paid them per 1000 downloads … even if your account recieved hundreds of DMCA takedowns they’d still payout to you but just remove the infringed files. So if they get many DMCA takedowns, surely (morally) they should flag the account for review to see if they are actually trying to profit from piracy.
HerculesXPT

Who is corbin fisher? Gay porn? No problem. I only like women.
- Abbzzdda
  
  Corbin Fisher has a legal consultant named Marc Randazza as is given by Wikipedia. This inherent jackass sides with both Rush Limbaugh and the whole ‘stop violent video games’ charade’, so I’m not quite surprised that they would pull off this type of stupidity.
  
  I also like how his page links to a new thing I hadn’t heard of called, ‘A moron in a hurry’.
  
  This is one reason that, although I’m gay, these people are just so inherently retarded and why even I lost respect for the mentalities of these fuck wits.
  - http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD
    
    Also, Randazza, to many people’s surprise, cheered Boston mayor’s threats extended towards Chick-Fill A
    http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/and-that-is-how-boston-rolls-you-bigoted-douchebag
    
    Randazza, supposedly one of the most famous First Amendment lawyers, cheers a government official threatening someone based on their beliefs?
    
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m wholeheartedly agree with the restaurant chain owner’s critics, and pretty much can be spotted among folks picketing their restaurants. I see nothing wrong with private businesses refusing dealing with CFA, grassroots campaigns spreading the word, customers voting with their feet… Yet when government officials say such things, it is fucking scary.
    
    Randazza is a hypocrite, that’s not a secret, but I was surprised how deep his hypocrisy is.
Hogspace

Kill the commercial porn industry. Lobby your MP’s and Senators to demand the CC companies blacklist this despicable business which abuses vulnerable men and women. Good porn is amateur porn, free porn.
Geddit?
And use a good VPN with anonymous payment.
- Guest
  
  “…which abuses vulnerable men and women.”
  
  I’m sorry, but what kind of nonsense is that? It’s simply not true in this form. For example. Professionals like Ariel Rebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcOU5aQ5gOk) actually do love what they are doing and there is clearly no abuse behind it.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Agreed on that….. the porn industry does NOT abuse men and women in the slightest. Only an idiot supreme and then some would say that it does.
    - Techanon
      
      With “abused men and women”, I think Hogspace wasn’t referring to the actors.
  - Obvious
    
    Go peddle your porn elsewhere
  - Hogspace
    
    There are always exceptions but I’d rather see the owner of the big porn houses brought down and the Credit Card companies taken to task for their two faced cheek
Monster

Wow! What a bitch move!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

Cyberlockers have always bothered me from the point of someone posting links for profit (rather than the greater good)

A cyberlocker has to cover its overheads and link posters for legit content they profit from, such as using a locker to distribute podcasts is ok, but always seen profiteering from filesharing a no no. Its also dumb leaving breadcrumbs back to you by way of transactions from the referalscheme if dealing in infringeing warez.

Legit account holders should also be wary of lockers with their own search/indexing and ensure that the privacy settings on your personal data is honoured and indexing can be disabled.

In light of this company threatening to spill user data, it should be remembered that in most territories inc the usa, uploading copyrighted data to a locker for backup or remote access does not breach copyright which usually allows for backups and format shifting under fair use.

The act of infringement occurs if that data is made public.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  With all due respect, there is no ‘profiteering’ here. Most cyberlockers a long time ago got rid of their ‘pay to upload’ plans and went to giving uploaders nothing for uploading or even making them pay for uploading stuff.
  - Guest
    
    That’s only because they shit there pants when Megaupload was raided >_<
  - Guest
    
    With all due respect, we are talking about (M)Oron here. They never got rid of their pay to upload plans as far as I am aware. In any case, sites that pay still abound in plenty. Any new site that pops up start with a pay per download model to compete with the big boys like Rapidshare.
- FreeInternet777
  
  The act of infringement occurs if that data is made public.
  
  You know, I am not even sure that is right. Given the nature of copyright. I mean you havent made it to be read, viewed, played etc from your locker. Its just the raw data sitting there
  - Trynd
    
    True, but that raw data exists with the sole and singular purpose of making a watchable/usable copy of the entertainment product. Since there is no other purpose and the data can easily be used in such a way, it is considered to be infringement if the data is made public. Don Dilly was correct.
http://twitter.com/DieTrollDie DieTrollDie

Found a link at fightcopyright trolls.com for the files in question – hxxps://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5xc0xsw0rnx9ak/4JvrzADupd

Love this part ”
“Liberty will assist in providing some public relations help for Oron in order to minimize the chance of other lawsuits being brought against it. This shall include, disingenuous as it may be, public statements that we are convinced that Oron does have DMCA protection.”

Disingenuous????

DTD :)
- https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor
  
  Hahahaha!
  
  How can an arrangement amongst gangster be more obvious?
  
  lmfao!
- DaveG
  
  Fucking wow. Dirt bag city right there.
ricky

while i am a supporter of torrents and i do think they are giving away to much in their offer i do think its good that they are settling as it will prevent there being any bad precedents set

all the same liberty-media can go be raped by the millions of e-peens waiting to violate they’re many Orpheuss

so i guess i am conflicted
- http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett
  
  am i reading your comment wrong or did you just say torrents, consdiering torrents has nothign to do with this.
quawonk

And who the hell uses Oron? Never even heard of it.
- Iyf
  
  It’s only for gay porn. That’s why.
  - Guest
    
    I just want to point the following out: “Your posting is utter crap.”
Conservative

I hereby certify that all Liberty Media pornographic movies do not, and by law CANNOT be the subject of a copyright monopoly. The United States Constitution, the highest law of the land, declares that copyright is only for the purposes of advancing the sciences or the useful arts.

I hereby certify that all Liberty Media pornographic movies that I am aware of absolutely positively do not advance the sciences or useful arts.

I hereby certify that all Liberty Media pornographic movies that I am aware of are video recordings of actual criminal activity (prostitution). A recording of a real actual crime taking place cannot be subject to copyright. The End.

I hereby certify that Liberty Media pornographic movies that I am aware of are CLAIMING to be protected by the US Government under copyright provisions.

I hereby certify that Liberty Media does knowingly and willfully claim copyright ownership of pornographic criminal video recordings which they know cannot and do not qualify for Copyright protection. This constitutes premeditated Fraud on the count of claiming nonexistent copyright to the public and it constitutes Perjury when the claims were/are made in sworn court testimony.

Why is the Judge allowing Liberty Media to get away with Perjury and Fraud?

I hereby certify that all Liberty Media Pornographic Movies that I am aware of are free of copyright. Everyone can download them and upload them and spread them as much as they want.

Liberty Media movies are pretty awful and I do not really recommend anyone spreading their movies, but in the event you choose to do so, it is completely legal to copy them (unless they are willing to admit that they used underage boys and girls in which case things could be different).

If Liberty Media would like to change the law all they have to do is amend the US Constitution with an Amendment that says something like “Pornography is hereby declared to advance science and is subject to copyright monopoly protection. Recordings of real actual crimes taking place are also eligible for copyright monopoly protection because criminal activity advances science and the useful arts.”

Until somesuch amendment is passed, pornographic movies are legally copyfree.
- Guest
  
  Prostitution is the exchange of sex for money; pornography is the exchange of money for _videos_ of sexual acts. It’s not a “virtual crime” because one is argued as a multimedia product which is subject to restrictions put on the government making it so they cannot directly ban “free speech.” Prostitution is illegal because as a service and not a producer of tangible goods, it remains under control of the FTC alone.
  
  They don’t need to do jack to the constitution, they only have to prove in court that their content is somehow scientifically or culturally useful. There is at present one case where this is being argued over right now (Liuxia Wong v. Hard Drive) using the exact same argument and to my knowledge they have not yet reached a verdict.
  - Conservative
    
    Liberty Media solicits men and women to perform sex acts for money. Liberty Media commits the crime of prostitution every time they make a movie.
    
    To prove my point I have videos of actual prostitutes having actual sex for actual money.
    
    Videotaped evidence of a crime in progress seems solid to me.
    - Anyone
      
      I still don’t get why prostitution is illegal
    - http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD
      
      Liberty media does not solicit women to the best of my knowledge :)
    - Guest
      
      @f05af58b8c10e93b3595bb996aad4e5d:disqus I agree, even though I morally think it’s wrong… it shouldn’t be against the law to provent somebody to do at their own freewill something like that. Also, if it became legal, they could do it easily and safely through a middle man service to provent themselves being killed.
      
      Same goes for soft drugs, like weed, it’s less halmful than Alcohol but apparently it’s weed that is illegal instead. As long as the drug doesn’t make you eat peoples faces off it should be legal, tbh (sure, still have pharmacy etc to go though to provent overdosing etc).
  - http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD
    
    Small correction. Liuxia Wong v. Hard Drive case is over – settled (not to Prenda’s benefit thanks goodness)
    
    There is a twin case still pending though – Abrahams v. HDP. Yuen argues unconstitutionality of porn there too. We’ll see how it goes, though I’m skeptical that this particular argument will fly (and I’m not sure it should – although some “works” are clearly not “useful arts,” I’m reluctant to give judges power to decide that: the border between art and kitsch is very blurry).
    - Conservative
      
      PORN IS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL! It is protected free speech!
      
      [i]Trying to apply copyright monopoly law[/i] to porn is unconstitutional because the writers of the constitution in the 1700′s placed limits on what can and cannot be copyrighted. They clearly did not intend that [b]everything[/b] should be copyrightable.
      
      Copyright is only for works which advance the sciences or useful arts. I have already certified that Liberty Media pornographic movies do [b]not[/b] advance the sciences or useful arts. I will swear to this under oath and have it notarized. As should everyone else. Who do we mail our sworn affidavits to?
    - http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD
      
      Sorry, it was a typo – I meant uncopyrightable, not unconstitutional.
    - Trynd
      
      Oh, was it. I did not know that.
  - anon
    
    what is prostitution? paying for sex
    
    now, try that – go anywhere where prostitution is illegal, find yourself prostitute & undercover officer and check if paying them to have sex witch each other is legal or not… :D
    
    my guess is judge will not give a damn that you didn’t put your thing in any orifice but merely film all action…
    
    find difference between person A doing you for money or person A and B doing each other for money…
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      Actually, if someone challenged the law based on Constitutional grounds? The judge would have to throw out the case becasue:
      
      1. You are not forcing anyone into a sexual situation against their will.
      2. It is the human and constitutional right of those people who you are paying to have sex together whether for pay or not for pay if they wish to.
      
      The only reason that the prostitution laws have stood, at least in the United States, if not globally, is because no one has argued the Constitution and human rights protect a person’s right to sell their body if they wish to AND the right of a person to pay that person for sex if they wish to.
      
      It’s absolutely no different than most marriages where the woman or man does not work, except in the minds of the religious.
    - Techanon
      
      Thell that to the people who are actually forced into prostittion Kidwell. If it has to be legal then it should be heavily regulated to prevent abusive situations.
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      Techanon, most of those people who are ‘forced into prostitution’ are able to be forced into it BECAUSE it is illegal. If it was legal and the prostitution houses were required to be registered with the government, it would be impossible to force someone into prostitution because as soon as you saw a man/woman who did have their ‘card’…. you could assume that they were being forced into prostitution.
    - anon
      
      ”sell their body ”
      RENT their body, hardly any different than carrying somebodys baby for them
    - Trynd
      
      @google-6bb179a6b07a293b0dbe2e8887cdb03f:disqus
      
      Your argument that prostitution is similar to marriage disregards many important points of data. Marriage has proven psychological and sociological benefits to both participants. These benefits include but are not limited to monetary profit. To say they are objectively similar is simply rherotic, valid only by the assumptions you make. To put this simply, just as you say they are only different in the minds of the religious, they are only similar in your mind, not objectively.
      
      There are similarities, but you ignore the pertinent differences.
      
      On constitutional grounds… that’s somewhat debatable. There is no “constitutional right” to have sex. It is not discussed. It could be argued that the public welfare clause and Ammendment X give states the right to decide that prostitution is illegal. However, Article 1 section 10 does say that states may not pass laws impairing the obligation of contracts. The question then is whether prostitution constitutes a contract. It has been argued that in prostitution, one person temporarily becomes another’s slave, which is illegal under the constitution. I don’t quite buy that argument, but I do just want to point out that it’s not entirely cut and dry.
      
      That said, I do think a determined constitutional challenge would overturn anti-prostitution laws.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Actually Guest, that isn’t part of the Constitution. That was part of a Supreme Court ruling that has never been OFFICIALLY overturned but in reality…. yeah, it’s been overturned.
- FreeInternet777
  
  Why is the Judge allowing Liberty Media to get away with Perjury and Fraud?
  
  Possibly because, when the two parties come to an agreement between themselves the only need for the judge is to sign off on it and make sure no-one was under duress.
  
  In short, what do you need a judge for if no-one is arguing.
  
  I think the cyberlocker has crossed its own privacy/loyalty to its customers line.
  
  I also think this is just what Macbride and his brothers wanted when they raided MU. Who cares if we lose. THis will kick the arses of cyberlockers. A good indication of the decay of cyberlockers is to look at the carrion circling. Well, well, well – its the porn industry. Another multimillion dollar yesterday via the net industry that is dying. The porn industry was the first ones to start the bottom feeding mass-bittorrent lawsuits. Speak to any “on camera” porn actor and they will tell you they are working a second job these days. Scuse the pun, but they are rooted frankly and this whole story is as seedy as it gets and we should lobby the MPAA for a new rating on this stuff. Remember the MPAA, and their facade for existance? They will give ratings. My suggestion is – FAOFBOCWTWMO. Fight Amoungst Ourselves For Bits Of Cash Whilst The World Moves On.
  Hey thats pretty good, I wonder if Chris Dodd will give me a job. NOT.
  - OccamsKatana
    
    Then the judge is signing off on extortion? How can they extort if what they are holding over Oron’s head is illegal to begin with? Pay up or else.
    - FreeInternet777
      
      They are ex lawyers and know the law. But they dont live online. And they cant apply the law if the defendent and plaintiff dont walk thru the door.
  - OccamsKatana
    
    I agree, I wasn’t attacking your position, but replying here instead of starting a new comment. I should have formulated my response a little differently. I meant to say that it amounts to extortion. And yes, judges started as liars. I mean Lawyers, but that doesn’t mean they know the law, just as any liar, I mean Lawyer doesn’t either, but they dig up the info, provide case history and precedents to back them up and present their case to the person (or people of a jury) that will decide who is less wrong (or more right).
    
    Regardless or right or wrong, the bloody courts are sooooo corrupt.
    
    If two parties decided to murder someone, and needed a judge to sign off on the agreement, well, I don’t think it would fly. The judge would be party to the crime.
    Of course, I’m not a lawyer, or a judge, and there must be more to it. Nor have I seen the User Agreement that Oron provides. So mostly, I’m just blowing smoke. Hey! I should be a liar. I mean Lawyer.
    - FreeInternet777
      
      You’re on the sort of right track.
      1. Remember there is 3 parties in this piracy debate. The defendant, the plaintiff and the law. The law is basically common. That means that if we hate you for what you did in the 60′s your screwed. But the same offence may be a misdemenour now. It changes. Copyright doesnt..it has gotten worse and worse. No-one cared all these years because copyright was peripheral to our lives and the changes by hollywood went thru unnoticed. Not any more thanks to the internet. Also copyright is civil. What that means is if you go to court and argue your case, at the end the court will weigh up everything and make a decision. No need for evidence, etc etc
      2.Copyright law is fundementally in error. It is permission for a middleman to control the market and censure.
      3. It is incredibly important that these middlemen control the internet, because the internet is the threat to their control and censure
      4. The more they try to control the internet, the more the internet defeats them.
      Old quote from John Gilmour
      “The Net treats censorship as a defect and routes around it.”
      5. The USA understands this and is putting out into the world under secret terms agreements to basically fix this
      ACTA
      TPPA
- Conservative
  
  I have also discovered that Liberty Media willfully induces prostitutes to cross state lines. This is a felony.
  - Guest
    
    If this is true then they are the ones who should be on the receiving end of legal action.
- Abc
  
  Oron profits from porn and until they stop accepting money for services they are porn distributors too. The difference is they steal instead of producing their own videos.
  - Conservative
    
    Public Domain movies can be freely copied. Copyrighted movies cannot be freely copied. Liberty Media movies are public domain, since they do not advance the sciences or useful arts.
    
    In any event there is no STEALING going on in this case.
    
    Liberty Media is not trying to STEAL money from Oron.com, they are trying to EXTORT money from Oron.com. I admit that it is close to the same thing but there is a technical and legal difference.
    - FreeInternet777
      
      LIsten, I love this piece on the American Constitution about advancing the sciences and useful arts.
      
      Thomas Jeffersons wrote that bit. If he was alive today he would be a member of the American Pirate Party
      
      He was fighting to his own death to promote then and if he knew how badly it was crippled by Queen Mary I copyright laws today he would be fighting dearly to get back to the night he wrote it.
  - FreeInternet777
    
    You know, after reading heaps about this move by certain porn kings and given the overall massive worldwide swing towards copyright reform…If I was PayPal or any other operation that bases itself on the PayPal model then I would be watching my back.
  - Conservative
    
    Ok I visited the Oron.com site and they do not claim to own a copyright monopoly on any of the files they allow netizens to store on their server.
    
    So the difference is Liberty Media lies about the copyright status of certain files while Oron.com does not lie about the copyright status of any files.
    
    If you find information that contradicts what I just said then please let me know.
    
    kthnxl8rbye :)
- Guest
  
  ”..hereby certify that all Liberty Media pornographic movies that I am
  aware of are video recordings of actual criminal activity
  (prostitution).”
  
  And Hollywood movies depicting murder – a criminal act – are therefore also recordings of criminal acts, right?
  
  You just disqualified yourself exactly at this point and that in a very unbelievable way.
  - Conservative
    
    @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus
    Do you understand the difference between REAL criminal acts and FAKE criminal acts?
    
    Liberty Media pays REAL prostitutes REAL money to REALLY have sex. They even videotape the sex act for the world to see.
    
    Are you seriously claiming that Hollywood movies actually murder real live human beings?
    
    Do you really believe that Arnold Schwarzenegger REALLY killed 23 people in the movie Commando? In that movie it wouldn’t be murder but it would be Justifiable Homicide because they kidnapped his daughter.
    
    When someone gets their arm chopped off in a Hollywood movie do you think Hollywood is REALLY chopping someone’s arm off?
    
    I am no fan of Hollywood but even I am not nuts enough to think Hollywood commits real murder on film. If you have evidence of Hollywood movies filming REAL criminal acts such as murder or dismemberment then I would be very very interested to hear which movies did this and who they killed.
    
    Could you please give me an example? kthanx :)
- Trynd
  
  That technically hasn’t been decided yet. The definition of useful arts is vague, and has been held in the past to cover many forms of creation. As stated by another Guest before, there is currently a case being argued which may clarify this grey area of the law.
  
  That said, I agree with you that this should be true.
Skin Bintin

Does it really matter anyway when America can just stretch their had out and take possession of that data anyway. As they did in the MegaUpload case?
- FreeInternet777
  
  But if they have to give it back will their power of reaching out be annulled
Guest

Seeing as how this will kill Oron’s business, they should have just resolved to fight to the death.

I guess it’s run by brainless cowards, however.
- FinalApokylypse
  
  While I do agree with your sentiment. Use of coward is probably a little unfair. When you are threatened with a lawsuit for 35million dollars that has potential to go against you, you’d be surprised how many people would try cut a deal. Doing this would mean their business may die but they wouldn’t have millions to fork out. Although to be fair I don’t see any court giving them that much in damages
  - OccamsKatana
    
    Yeah, but if I were being threatened with a lawsuit, would I sell out the people that supported me? Some other sellouts:
    
    Judas Iscariat
    Benedict Arnold
    Marcus Junius Brutus
    Aldrich Ames
    John Walker Lindh
    
    They’re not looked upon too favourably either.
    
    If FinalApokylypse starts up a cyberlocker, you won’t find me in the member base. LOL!
  - The Guy
    
    Unfortunately, it’s likely Oron will die out anyway because this is a traitorous action, a single takedown request against a user can get him/her banned in all ways imaginable and to Oron’s discretion.
    
    They sellout their own userbase like that, people will leave them, and spread the word about how Oron will ban anybody over a single takedown request, basically exposing Oron as the treasonous punks they are.
    
    You can say that use of “coward” may be a bit unfair, and maybe it is, but in my honest opinion, use of “coward” is also appropriate.
  - Jwf
    
    One die is better than 35000 people die plus they betray their customer’s privacies. Oron deserve to die and is a fucking coward
  - Iif3ff3f3
    
    Please reexamine your comment and take a look at Kim Dotcom
    - FinalApokylypse
      
      I’m being realistic with that comment, all I was doing. Use of coward is certainly usable. Maybe justifiable cowardice would be a better way of saying it though. I also never insinuated I would be a sellout if I owned a cyberlocker and was sued either.. I just understand why people in those positions often do things like that. And yes you can look at Kim Dotcom as an example of someone who hasn’t sold out, I never said that all people would, it doesn’t detract from the fact many do and many more will in the future.
- Dogeatdog
  
  it’s all about the money after all, isn’t it?
- FreeInternet777
  
  Good comment. Perhaps cyberlockers were number 1 on the hitlist. I bet bittorrent is number 2.
  Guess what? Theyve screwed up by taking on the mavericks first. Did Chis Dodd, Neil Macbride, Dianne Feinstein, Howard Gantman, Barbara Boxer, Alfred Perry, Tim Kuik etc etc, stop and balance what is happening in the world? Or did they make a move based on their collective pinhole view of the world?
- No1_2_u
  
  Not cowards, limp dicks…LMAO!
http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

well i do eblieve oron (who ever they were as id never heard of them before) has just lost any support they once had by this move just to save their own ass’s
- guesy
  
  Kim Dotcom was made bankrupt yet He rulez.
  Oron is a fucking coward and should fucking die. Deserve no sympathy from me.
- DaveG
  
  Oron is going not not roll over on some users, but ALL users he is asked to roll on by Randazza, which includes for his other clients as well. This is going to get NASTY for both uploaders and downloaders for Oron. They will work with oron to change videos so they can track the downloaders and sue them too. Watch out. Use your head here. Oron is going to throw you all under the bus to save his own Russian ass and the lawyers is going to use Oron to sue a lot of people.
http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

In the meantime, Randazza is playing victim….
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/07/porn_industry_marc_randazza.php
theonlyone

Any time a cyberlocker hands out your information with a court order to do so its a bad thing. That makes other cyberlockers vulnerable and suspect. It also make Oron a total douche-bag for doing it.
http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

Pfft, that’s illegal. Any person whose details were/will be disclosed by Oron to 3rd party should go and sue Oron and win damn case easily.
Anonymous

any timeline offered for when Oron is terminated by it’s customers? i doubt if there is any point in waiting for liberty Media or even the courts to do it. just get it over and done with. i would like to know how much of an increase in business there is for Liberty Media as well, once it has managed to destroy this filthy cyber locker business and all the perverts that use it (being sarcastic!).
Spellcheck

They forgot the M before oron
- FreeInternet777
  
  ha ha ha
Nick

Oron sucks anyway, MU respected their own rules and never released our info. Gosh I miss MU, I love MU…I wish it could be there *sigh* :(
- The Guy
  
  You, me, and an astronomical fanbase miss them mate.
- FreeInternet777
  
  Stop *sigh*ing. Do something mr owner
  
  its there…get your arse on twitter if you have files with them. Kim Dotcom said tonight
  
  Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom
  
  To all Megaupload users, let’s all unite @kimdotcom – It’s time to fight
  
  THink about it, he’s got 50,000 followers on twitter. It took 24hrs to get 35000. MU had 180 million accounts. If you have stuff on MU. Stand up.
  - Bomb
    
    Kim is this you?
    - FreeInternet777
      
      no..sorry. I am sure Kim Dotcom is being very careful what he says online. I tend to rant and rave. Check out his twitter site though. He reckons he’s got a website coming that explains the Washington stuff with his indictment. Also dont forget about his Megabox that will change the way musicians sell their works.
  - DaveG
    
    Soon to be charged with rape in another country or some other ludicrous charge. They will get him if they want him. Look at what they are putting the Wikileaks guy through.
Oron

Oron was always and will always be a crappy service. Who cares if they just sold out to save their own skin.
- Guest
  
  Do you bought a premium account from them and used it?
- Oron’s son
  
  Someone secretly bought an account for you. Please check your credit card.
Sketch

ive never heard of that file host before now………
Ralf

Ha ha. You money-hungry thieving Oron uploaders are fucked. Probably a lot of other file locker affiliate program uploaders as well. This precedent will catch on like wildfire. Tens of content owners are now gonna come at the file lockers to get some money back AND from their uploaders.

Lets hear your bitching and moaning ITT.
- Guest
  
  Then prove it or kindly leave by the door that you entered by.
- FreeInternet777
  
  And what is your legal basis for this tirade?
  a precedent or authority is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts
  
  Pre – before
  Cedent – Assign of a debt or claim (scottish law) (before fucking copyright)
- Tens
  
  Tens and tens.
X1q5

This is why I don’t use VPN services. If a cyberlocker can sell out it’s users, what’s stopping a VPN provider from doing the same thing?
- John Spartan
  
  umm… a VPN service’s sole purpose is so hide your IP from the origin,
  ITS CORE BUSINESS IS PRIVACY, they start selling your info they wont have much od a business left.
  A file locker is just that, a file storage system, so you or whoever can have more easily access to your data, they are not there to protect your privacy. They can sell you info till the cows come home and people will still use them because STORING FILES ONLINE IS MORE THAN JUST COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT
Zan

fuck me, this reads like a gangsters “protection” racket.
- Anyone
  
  “what a nice cyberlocker you have there. it would be a shame should something happen to it”
- FreeInternet777
  
  sometimes you have to jump into the mud to get the lambs away from the pigs
jOHN rYDER

glad i dont use file hosting online or cyberlocker
- FreeInternet777
  
  I do. Ive got 8 years of financial stuff on dropbox. But that only 1 copy. Ive got the file on my computer and on another drive sitting in my undies draw. My point is, cyberlocker are offsite storage. If my place burns down tonight I am ok. What right do these people who want to pump up Queen Mary I copyright law, which was basically a monopoly and censureship law awarded to the Guild of London stationers so she could get back to hating her father King Henry VIII, extend it, pay polititians to do their bidding etc etc just so I and my daughter and her whole generation get called criminals etc. Wow, pro-copyrightists (represented by dying porn stars) youve punched the cyberlockers in the guts. Wheeze. Big bully. We’re going to get you back in the worst way. Everything youve been afraid of is going to happen.
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Fantastic

Still finding it scary how aggressive the Gay porn industry has been with this and this isn’t the first case for Liberty in particular.
- FreeInternet777
  
  I was only just thinking today..you reckon women can be bitchy. Gay guys are worse
  - Guest
    
    There is nothing worse than a bitchy screaming queen lol
- Guest
  
  You could say that the Gay porn industry are not going to bend over and take it lol
  - FreeInternet777
    
    ha ha. Comment of the day…thats a good one
FreeInternet777

I was just reading thru the beginning of this and I cant believe that someones
Lucid, intelligent, well-thoughtout comment got 8 likes

And immediately under it some one said
getfuckedcuntsgofuckyourselves ORON

and got 15likes

for godsakes people get a grip and turn the tv off
Anon1

Have I not mentioned in the previous posts that Oron is fucking garbage?! Now everyone knows why! And for a way bigger reason than I was claiming at that.
- Guest
  
  I don’t get your point. Oron is like any other business of that kind and they clearly point everything out in the tos.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    One time I have to agree with Guest. Oron is very clear that if you upload something illegally to their servers, they will help the people in question find you and sue you if they can.
    
    I cannot blame them for doing that. Best thing to do at any cyberlocker and which most ‘scene’ people do: upload things via VPN or TOR.
    - guesy
      
      I disagree. Uploading and copying is NOT theft. If you are a coward don’t set up a cyberlocker business and yet they did. They should’ve foreseen that coming.
  - Anon1
    
    They rolled over too fucking easily, just like PayPal for that Porn King guy.
John

lofl at the comments here. Uploaders profiting from stolen content sueing Oron, or Corbin sueing Oron OR cutting a deal where Oron gives up the copyright infringers.

Real tough choice there for Oron. lmao.
- Rebble
  
  I doubt any of the content was stolen – makes more sense that people uploaded files they bought or got from another consenting adult. It might be infringing if the links were distributed to the public … but would that protect Oron from a counterclaim?
Z157

“TorrentFreak has learned that…”
Is it a reliable information ? Is it really SURE ?Not that I would be suprised by this agreement.But it could also be a rumor put about by Corbin Fisher themselves, in order to alienate Oron from its users.
- http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD
  
  Look up: DieTrollDie posted a link to the correspondence between Randazza and Oron’s lawyer.
- FreeInternet777
  
  oh I reckon ernesto and enigmax are probably on the up and up
- http://twitter.com/DieTrollDie DieTrollDie
  
  Link to the documents in question was posted by “This Looks Bad”
  
  “ here are some interesting documents.
  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5xc0xsw0rnx9ak/4JvrzADupd”
  
  You be the judge if the information is reliable.
  
  DTD :)
  - Z157
    
    Thank you.
    Seems legit.
    And interesting…
GUEST

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
….it starts!!!
FreeInternet777

where’s the troll!! Show me!
Guest

Anyone: “I still don’t get why prostitution is illegal”

Maybe, because it’s America and they trust in a fairy tale character called god? There is really no better explanation out there.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  No, it’s more because no one has challenged the anti-prostitution laws based on Constitutional and human rights issues.
- theonlyone
  
  My guess being I am a US citizen and have experienced their (US governments) brand of oppression lies and deceit is that its like weed. The government is run by uptight corrupt politicians who are controlled by ultra-rich uptight greedy bastards. Prostitution and weed are too hard to control and make money off of for them anyway.
  
  They make more money off it being illegal. Just look at the fines and the number of people imprisoned for these type of offenses. Its always about the money with these cunts.
  - Anyone
    
    weed is just as easy to make money off as tobacco
    
    legalize and tax it and watch the deficit disappear
  - Guest
    
    The war on drugs wasn’t started for money. It was started as a means of societal control, specifically racial control. It’s not always about money. Money is just a means to gain power, and power lets you enact visions for society. The war on drugs was just about enacting an incredibly racist future view of society, and damn if it didn’t work just as it was intended.
    
    Businessmen could make plenty of money selling weed. They do so now with Alcohol, Tobacco, and of course, Weed.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  theonlyone, that IS most of it…. the ‘powermongers’ in our government are unable to make money off prostitution and drugs (especially natural ones that anyone can grow and sell) so they try to make it illegal since they cannot make money off it and they don’t want anyone else to join their ‘rich man’s club’.
- Bfew
  
  Corporate parasites like Clinton visit prostitutes. Legal for the rich but illegal for the common people
yinowino

Funny how a truck load of cash makes everything OK.
Privacy-Peeps.tk
- yinowino
  
  Funny how a truck load of cash makes everything OK.
  http://i46.tinypic.com/n76sl.gif
LonelyShadow

Anyone else noticed the following? People become angry if they hear about Cyberlockers getting attacked by the MPIAA or RIAA concerning shitty music or shitty hollywood movies. Recall the big outcry regarding the Megaupload shutdown. All you now have to do is to replace shitty music and shitty hollywood movies with porn and who’s now evil? Right! It’s the cyberlocker. It comes from the same people that cry about freedom and that makes them to moronic hypocrites. They even construct idiotic arguments like “Porn is prostitution” or “Porn is a bad thing. It’s therefore not copyrightable…blah…blah”. That is just ridiculous and it has nothing in common with a free human society with full access to education and knowledge.
- Guest
  
  Even if the cyberlockers were shut down then as long as there is the internet file sharing will still happen even its porn or music or films etc. The only way that the industries and the anti piracy brigade will ever stop file sharing through the internet is by shutting the whole internet and that is not going to happen, If the internet is indeed shut down people will still share files by other means. The industries and anti piracy brigade will never stop piracy. The industries and anti piracy brigade are like King Canute in trying to stop the tide but the tide will always win. Either the industries and anti piracy brigade adapt or they will drown and die by the own actions in trying to stop the tide. The choice is theirs but file sharing will always be around for years to come whether they like it or not.
  - Bucanner
    
    Agreed and hopefully more people will upload to file lockers. So when the FL gets sued and hands over their names, emails, IP, bank details. They can be sued as well. The letters will start going out via the post with a lot more basis than an IP address. This will be more profitable than selling movies online. LOL
    - Guest
      
      I wonder how well the argument that an IP address can’t identify will stand up with the use with a file locker instead of a torrent swarm.
    - Guest
      
      If this were to happen all file sharers will do is move to other ways of file sharing, perhaps decentralised peer to peer that can not be shut down unless the internet is shut down. The industries will never ever stop file sharing and what ever actions they do will cause the file sharers to other ways of file sharing.
- Conservative
  
  @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus wrote: ”
  Porn is a bad thing.”
  Nobody on TorrentFreak ever said Porn was a bad thing. And if they did then their mental health would immediately be called into question. :D
- Anyone
  
  it’s not porn that is the issue here, after all the internet is for porn
  the issue here is selling out its users
MaureenGNY5

Anyone who is uploading and sharing with the expectation of getting cash out of it shouldn’t be surprised if they get sued. That’s way worst than someone who downloads a movie off bittorrent for 10 minutes and happens to be sharing by default, whether they knew it or not.
Liberty has this company by the balls by having their accounts frozen. They are unreasonable people as shown by their court filings.
Besides, I think the worst thing is that their attorney is willing to mislead other people who want to sue the company, just so Corbin Fisher can line their own pockets. Unethical to say the least
Mehhhh

What about oron downloaders?
- DaveG
  
  Fact is, Oron is going to rat out EVERYONE they can to save their own ass. Today it is Libery Media uploaders, tomorrow it will be whoever the attorney asks (he represents a lot of adult clients).
  
  If you uploaded or download anything from Oron and are in the USA or Europe, you may get sued. And if you touched Liberty Media content, you will get sued for sure.
  
  This is the new trend and will be used for future settlements on other lockers that will be sued. Count on it.
  - Guest
    
    The US does not have jurisdiction over Europe or anywhere else come to think and I doubt that they have jurisdiction to sue a person in another country for a civil matter lol
    - Raul1231
      
      Have you heard about Richard O’Dwyer, the UK-based ex-administrator of TVShack. The servers were not hosted in the US, yet on 13 January 2012, a UK Magistrate ruled that O’Dwyer could be extradited to U.S. to face copyright infringement allegations. The extradition order has been approved by UK “Home Secretary” Theresa May. O’Dwyer has appealed against the extradition.
      
      Since when something like jurisdiction stopped the US or many others country’s.
    - Guest
      
      @c8477ef7d306f57aaaad6c5e1d7dc224:disqus O’Dwyer has NOT been extradicted yet. There is still the hearing at the High court to come yet. Then guess if unsuccesfull it could go to the European Court.
    - Raul1231
      
      I know he hasn’t been extradited. But to me when a magistrate and a secretary of state, both say he CAN be extradited, to me that’s bad enough. Hopefully in the next steps, O’Dwyer and his lawyer can prevent it. Plus it will make precedent in the world for good or bad.
    - DaveG
      
      Yet then managed to have Kim DotCom arrested all the way in New Zealand.
      
      Don’t underestimate the USA. If they want you, they will get you. And if they can’t get you on what they try the first time, they will screw you another way. That’s US justice.
  - Mehhhh
    
    how can they tell the difference between oron users downloading legitimate material though?
    - Mehhhh
      
      how could they even tie oron accounts to specific people… unless uploaders had to give personal and bank info in order to receive payment? just downloading though i wouldnt think would create a traceable connection?
Poster

Regarding MegaUpload, the US Dept. of Justice appears to have seized ALL the data — customer identities, payment records, etc. Just saying ….
- Guest
  
  At the moment all the data is encrypted and Kim has so far refused to give the passwords.
  - DaveG
    
    You really believe that? And if it is true, do you really believe they will not eventually crack it? Anything can be cracked, especially if the Gov is working on it.
Alyssa Blindy

If the cyberlocker wants to make deals with Liberty Media, that’s their prerogative. However, I believe that their offer to give customer information to Liberty Media is probably, or at least should be illegal. That is taking things too far.
Bucanner

Who will be next to turn over? This could be a huge payday for Corbin Fisher and set the rest of porn onto the same track. Uploaders will get their asses whipped.
- Guest
  
  Doubt they will set the rest of the porn industry to there same method. Doubt that they will have the jurisdiction to sue file lockers or people in countries that don’t lie in there jurisdiction.
foff

I hope you die moron serving up all those homo faggot gays
acoza

The owner is just a pussy. Doesn’t know how to fight back. Amatures. Kim Dotcom has balls.
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- Guest
  
  LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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Guest

Goddammit Randazza. I actually like you quite a lot for your First Amendment work, but your copyright work sucks.
Stronzo1331

Randazza, I believe this is what would be called “negligence” Filing confidential papers without properly redacting them? Fool
Anonymoo

Oron serves its main site from the EU. Where do they hold and serve the accounts from?
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Obvious

I have never heard of this Oron…I don’t get why people PAY FOR PORN, when its free on all these sites. Boggles the mind
Guest

I thought ORON was where that green skinned female in Star Trek came from.
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Gon

Seems like this would be the best case scenario for anyone NOT involved with CF’s content. So long as they can minimize future lawsuits, this would mean that the fallout of this case would be limited to those involved with this one particular studio. That being said, if other studios do jump on board, this could get bad. However, history seems to point to these kind of cases as being for the sole benefit of the plaintiff and heres to hoping this all goes away very soon…
No

So what kind of content are we talking about it here, is it mainly gay porn? Who are they going after, Mainly uploaders? Uploaders who made profit, are they going to spend time and money on joe shmo who downloaded a video randomly. Interesting to see where this goes.
Talley

Enough, someone should put a bounty out for destroying the owner of Oron! He deserves immediate physical harm.
Jg10021

What amazes me is that the plaintiff’s attorney’s have claimed that Oron is a repository of child pornography.

So they knew that to be the case and they were negotiating a settlement with Oron?

And now they still want a settlement, knowing that they are aware of the horrifying content?

The hypocrisy is stunning.
- Nookiecookie
  
  Um… because it’s a civil case. And because it’s a civil case, they can only punish the defendants (Oron) with monetary punishments.
  
  Now, if a government agency wants to step in and investigate these claims further, that can happen… hell, that should happen since I don’t think Oron has countered any of those claims.
AntiRoman

The rightful owner of Oron is a Russian named Roman Andreevich Romanov. He posts all over the internet of various web forums as “mainroman”.
Guest

Nothing is 100 % bulletproof if you think bullet is right holders sue letter, criminal charge case in court. If you think you can hide behind email or paypal then you are wrong paypal transaction leaves money trail that can be traced to your bank account or credit card… well unless you have prepaid credit card(card that some money loaded inside it you can use it until its all gone, then you can throw it away or load more) card must be buyed with cash on some shop… even then it leaves tracks you can tracked by prepaid credit card number polices can in investigation request security camera foodage of certain time… homever.. shops dont keep security cam feeds very long so if you wait like year then it should be already be overrited several times.. then its “dadaa” you got yourself prepaid ANOMYOUS credit card, but its not 100% bullet proof if you buy with that card in anyshop in person you can tracked (security cameras)… also they could track down other payments and packets buyed with that card (usually packet comes with shipping address)…. so its not 100% bullet proof in that bullet is sue case in court

Only 100% bulletproof is not to have computer at all (homever there still come cases where apartment owner / people in house are charget wrongly in case where there is not even computer or internet account).

I dont like cyberlockers that cooperate with copyright industrials i think whole case is like
extorting money out of them while they have done nothing wrong(except that maybe they should not give money from downloading something in their site since it be so easyle abuset).. (i use several cyberlockers store my backups of importand documents that must survive even if my own apartment is on fire, gets raided, simple robbery, water, earthguake, some other disarter that destroys phycisal copy. backup is still encrypted so dont worry even robbery, cops raid or very wrongly curiously admin takes look of files they cant get humanly readable version of it, i am not giving password i would rather die or go to prison than give it)
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REM

apperantly since oron is targeting people who paid for the service (Oron will assist Liberty in identification and civil prosecution of any parties who have been using Oron to distribute) wink wink, we can expect sally(oron) at the prostitution lounge in hollywhore is gonna be making out with some fat greasy old pig who… in the end is really just another corperation machine… just like…. steve jobs, barry hussein, mitt romney, nancy pelosi, every fucking lobyist in the world, and just about everyone else in politics.

I’m gonna let you in on a little secret, liberal singers, writers, tv show hosts, and politicians are just as guilty as republicans for being scumbags with a sweet tooth for your cash. Republican, democrat? WHO GIVES A RATS ASS, THEY… ARE… ALL… THE… SAME. No if, ands, or butts (wink wink).
fkknbuyitasshats

Stop acting like sharing someone else’s hard work for free is some sort of right. Worse yet are the sites MAKING $$$ off of sharing other people’s content.

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for it. I’ve heard people argue “well, I wouldn’t have bought it anyway”; fine, then you don’t get the privilege of watching it!! Another argument, “The porn industry makes money off of their files being shared”; no, one company, Manwin (that owns Brazzers) is the company that created tube sites. They’ve effectively eliminated their competition by giving porn away for free. They rake in revenue via ads for ‘big dick pills’ and other scam sites. Many companies that provided variety in productions can’t make enough to stay in business. ”Adapt or die…change your business model” is an easy thing to say from behind your keyboard living in your parents’ basement.
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Fadedlighthouse

This is an interesting topic, I tend to agree that only a content creator and his/her assignees have the right to profit from or even distribute their content. and as I’ve said before, Oron uploaders probably had to accept a “terms of Service” that explicitly forbid uploading content that they did not have a legal right to. So in a very real way the uploaders are very likely at fault.

But it seems like the porn industry isn’t trying very hard to come up with a REAL solution to stopping piracy. The music industry (at least in the US) has Rhapsody anyone who is familiar with and uses this service knows exactly where I’m going with this.

The Porn industry needs to create a porn version of Rhapsody, where for a reasonable monthly fee users can watch anything they want, no need to download anything, just stream what you want to see when you want to see it. it is my guess that very few people want to see ALL of Corbin Fishers’ “Art” some will just want to see the scenes with “Connor” or others may just want to see the Straight stuff that Corbin Fisher produces. Paying $35.00 a month to see the two or three new 18 minute scenes that you want from each studio is simply too costly, but buying longer term subscriptions is not reasonable because of what happens when sites like Suite703, SC2M or Buttmachineboys that all of a sudden stop producing new material but don’t refund your subscription fee. A Rhapsody like service would protect consumers from dead or dying porn sites and at the same time pay legitimate owners a fair amount for their content.

Lets face it, if you have downloaded anything from an Oron you know that without a ‘premium’ subscription the download speeds are so slow that even small files can take hours to download, a legitimate Rhapsody like service would simply kill the Oron business model, it would pay the rightful content owners, and it would be a much better value for people who enjoy porn.
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Punk322

For all the USA haters out there. I love my country! Both Grandfathers fought in Europe and Asia during WW2. As did Millions of others from USA to help end tyranny and the like.

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