Since the shaping era began everyone I know, leaves their computers on for longer and downloads as many files as possible. Similar to filling a bucket with water. Either you turn the tap, fill it fast and turn it off, or you fill it by letting the faucet drip for days on end. Often you let it overflow and let the tap drip continuously. The net result of which is, more bandwidth is being used. The ISP’s in turn do not gain anything other than dollars from ‘false’ advertising, which they need so they can pay consultants and companies for ‘traffic shaping’ which does not work.

These ISP clowns are living in the 90′s, sending cutsy e-mails to grandma with a geewhiz fancy typewriter.

Slowing the connection down by usage and pricing the usage differenty to time. Example:

00-06 price 1 tick(s)/Mb
06-08 pirce 2 tick(s)/Mb
08-16 price 3 tick(s)/Mb
16-21 price 5 tick(s)/Mb
21-00 price 3 tick(s)/Mb

Now 300 ticks will slow your connection down by 30%, 800 ticks will slow it to 50% and so on…
Then at midnight your connection and tick counter is reseted to full speed.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it…. Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid </3)[/quote]
[quote comment="284270"]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon…. this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside… i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga movie at 5 mb/s
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it…. Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid </3)[/quote]
[quote comment="278652"]Charging for bandwidth uses makes sense indeed, as long as the prizes are reasonable.

Should be ‘prices’.[/quote]

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it…. Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid </3)

look isp’s we all know you are overselling, but there is a limit to how far you can overpromise before it catches up with you – take a lesson from verizon and just spend the cash

The BitTorrent problem is not the only one to argue about. People like to watch good quality streaming videos on the web, TV Shows which are not really copyrighted in the U.S. and use other high bandwidth applications: gaming, video chatting, etc…

It is good to have a 12Mb Comcast Power Boost for such things, for instance, but when you get cut off by USING ITS 1/8 capacities (which is roughly 500GB over the month), does it also means that Comcast CAN NOT handle fully loaded 1.5Mb channel over the month (which also gives 500GB of dl data), while Europe providers can handle much more? Are we live in America, or in Russia, where such thing like traffic limits are still exist? At least in Russia providers DO SAY to their customers what they should expect and what plan should they purchase considering certain traffic limitations. From Comcast we don’t hear anything, we still think that the Internet excess is unlimited. Well, that’s not true and they know this. Using their monopoly rights of a second largest internet provider they can do whatever they want and wait a little bit more before start upgrading their s**** network. But like someone said in here, “sooner or later they would have to do this”.

Companies exist for the customers, and the customers are those in right to decide what they want!

P.s. The thing about 500Gb of bandwidth per month is near truth. I heard some cases that after using “unlimited” Comcast internet connection people were getting cut off. I don’t think that they’ve downloaded much over 500Gb, I would think even less that that, but still got cut off.

Supply more of your product!

Personally, I’d prefer a slower, but unlimited account over a faster one with a quota. If I had a faster account, I’d just ant to download more and would quickly use up my quota. At a slower speed, I can’t donload things as quickly, but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about how much I download.

For whatever it’s worth, when I signed up for AT&T DSL, I specifically asked them if they had any usage caps and they said no. I mentioned that I’d heard of other companies throttling heavy users or imposing quotas and I was assured that AT&T didn’t do that. Of course now they’re planning to filter everything, but that’s a separate issue.

Yay Primus! Its about $45 a month, truly unlimited and unthrottled bandwidth!

what the deal?

You know distributed computing os the internet.

And finally the users will rule over the internet

Ah It was fairly recently they amended their FUP. xD

Heres the script:
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html

i was turning off utorrent between 4-12pm thanks for the heads up.

Also, in all honesty I find the discussion of bandwidth caps weird, as they will not resolve any issues at all. The problem lies, as I see it, in concurrent capacity, not total capacity. The lines and links stay up, even when not in use. I used to live in a town with a 4gb per month limit, and as I do download quite a bit, I went through that quite fast. But when I’ve used up my quota, my line remains active, but only in a crippled fashion, this however does nothing to stop congestion, as when my allocation resets so does everyone else’s, and everyone started happily downloading again. The internet was painfully slow there whenever people had their allocations reset and lovely fast when nigh on everyone was crippled.
So did the caps solve anything, if you ask me, no not really, it just made for a very very congested network whenever the caps got reset, and probably made the congestion worse then it could’ve been, due to everyone waiting for their limit to reset to do the downloads they wanted, making the network take a much larger hit then if it had been spread out over time, and everyone downloading when the idea/urge hit them instead of saving it up.
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Uhh, didn’t they think to stagger the reset dates so not everybody came off their cap at the same time??? What kind of dumbass town is this??

Personally, I would prefer a super high speed capped connection at the expense of a slower unlimited one. I currently get a 20mbit, 150gb/month package in Australia. You can only use 40gb from 7am to 1am which is a pain but otherwise it’s pretty good.

Wouldn’t you prefer a 500mbit connection with a terabyte limit over a 3mbit unlimited connection? Sure, the 3mbit connection can use a terabyte going flat out for a month, but I’ll take the 500mbit one thanks.

I haven’t opened 20 tabs on YouTube, but I have opened 4-5. Why? Because the YouTube server’s speed is permanently set on “pokey”. I can download 20MB from other sites in under a minute, but YouTube takes 3-4 minutes to send me a lousy 5MB video.

If the ISPs can tell a torrent package, they can make them get of of the way of other packets.

It’s somewhat silly that people keep harping on the theme of ‘The internet is only a few years old’.
In a very real perspective it is so after all, the net as we know it nowadays started only emerging around 95, and it is a very different place now then it was back then. Bittorrent and youtube were nonexistent and the best you could hope for was for an mp3 of shady quality to download in 20 minutes or so, so yes, the high bandwidth Internet is only a few years old.

Also, in all honesty I find the discussion of bandwidth caps weird, as they will not resolve any issues at all. The problem lies, as I see it, in concurrent capacity, not total capacity. The lines and links stay up, even when not in use. I used to live in a town with a 4gb per month limit, and as I do download quite a bit, I went through that quite fast. But when I’ve used up my quota, my line remains active, but only in a crippled fashion, this however does nothing to stop congestion, as when my allocation resets so does everyone else’s, and everyone started happily downloading again. The internet was painfully slow there whenever people had their allocations reset and lovely fast when nigh on everyone was crippled.
So did the caps solve anything, if you ask me, no not really, it just made for a very very congested network whenever the caps got reset, and probably made the congestion worse then it could’ve been, due to everyone waiting for their limit to reset to do the downloads they wanted, making the network take a much larger hit then if it had been spread out over time, and everyone downloading when the idea/urge hit them instead of saving it up.

So what would’ve been the solution, imho lower speeds to the end user and no cap would’ve worked a lot better, as it eases the concurrent load and most certainly would spread the load out much better.
Bandwidth is not a limited resource as in that there is only so much available in total, it’s limited in the sense that there is only so much available per period of time.
To say that a network for example has a capability of say 100 gb/month, and then selling that in chunks is silly, as an user then may want to blow the chunk they bought, say 10gb, in one go, and if multiple users do this, the network will still get congested and bogged down.
Offering reasonable speeds so the network stays under it’s total capacity per moment would work a lot better to resolve that congestion, and make people happier too most likely.

To me the major problem seems to be to change the view from total capacity for a given period of time, to what capacity can it can handle just in the now, as the network does not cease to exist when an arbitrary limit of data has been reached.

The US should just have a bandwidth cap. A user exceeds it per month, their internet gets slow. 30GB per month seems suitable.

Also, why are ISP’s complaining about customers using their service to it’s fullest extent? If the ISP has a problem, they should fix their end, and not blame the customer.[/quote]

30 GB? oh my. I go through that in three days. Every three days.

I currently get “peak” quota and “off-peak” download quota. Off peak quota is 3x more than peak, so my ISP is being smart and encouraging people to torrent when the pipes aren’t busy.

Although Sandvine suck right now, they have the right idea – downloading something from the US is just inefficient if there are local sources for it. If they can get the technique right so it results in no (or very small) delays in getting the file, then they should do it.

At worst a person will download y albums a month; most people will download an average of y – k2 albums a month.

There is a finite number of people;
therefore, at most, there is a finite amount of data downloaded (transferred) every month.

If there was bandwidth for at least this amount of data, then no one would ever have any problem again.

If there was more than this amount of bandwidth, then it would never be used:
People would have to quit their fulltime jobs, and start sleeping 3 hours less a night, in order to have the time to watch everything they normally do + the excess; not gonna happen:)

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I have no fucking clue, it’s new, someone know?

I say invest in more and better highways instead of trying to only favor your shareholders and your bonus.

And when it comes to bandwidth, it’s not just movies and music being downloaded, you have to take into account ALL of the streaming video sites, Google Video, YouTube, Porno Tube and that’s just 3 of the many that are out there.

If the ISP’s can’t supply what they are selling, then they shouldn’t be selling it. And if anyone chooses an ISP who throttles back or limits speed (unless like in Australia you have no choice as all ISP’s do that) then you are an idiot for not reading the fine print before getting your connection and you have no one to blame but yourself.
Period. End of subject IMO.

Do you know the difference between ‘communism’ and socialism?

Are you joking? That’s quite mad.
So why do not ban movies and share only txt, jpeg and mp3! YEEEAHH![/quote]

Are jpegs, text files, and mp3′s big sod-off 2-8Gig files?

Get a grip lad.

The issue being discussed is not copyright, its about bandwidth, and therefore file size. If anyone wants to upload a 2-8Gig file to bittorrent, then it should be copyright free. If not, then they can host it somewhere, could’nt they?

the guide i gave was a estimate off the top of my head from what id vaugly remebered reading a while back, i knew enuff to keep me from being capped and i download about 100 gig a month and iv never had grief with my speed. But ya dont expect VM to tell you these things, but at least there wrote plain an simple on there web site

Look at the anime sub community. They were among the first to adopt mp4. Has the file sizes decreased?

In a few cases yes, although not nearly by 50%. In most cases though, no. Sometimes the size has remained the same, leading to an increase in quality. And sometimes the size has been increased to allow for even better quality at HD resolution.

[quote comment="279240"]
What also if the Bittorrent community (and the scene) banned DVD-rips and other files sized over eg: 2gigs, and also banned especially the recent Blueray etc rips with 8gigs
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Banning, what people want and instead giving them what they don’t want sounds a lot like the soviet plan economy failure. While I am not anti communist as some people, I atleast recognize that plan economy was one of the big failures of the soviet era communism.

And @62
What also if the Bittorrent community (and the scene) banned DVD-rips and other files sized over eg: 2gigs, and also banned especially the recent Blueray etc rips with 8gigs…? I mean if you want the DVD/Blueray/HDDvd (with menus and extras) buy the bleedin’ thing.

Are you joking? That’s quite mad.
So why do not ban movies and share only txt, jpeg and mp3! YEEEAHH!

Lets take the ‘movie’ downloader, he/she wants a good quality file in a user friendly format. Most will download an ‘AVI/DivX’ format file, which will be anywhere between 700MB and 1.3GB per movie. But…….

What if that file was in a MP4 format!!, MP4 with its high compression rates could near enough halve the file size..
Half the file size equates to less bandwidth usage does it not?… Now I realise that everyone who has bought a standalone DVD player which is DivX compatable is not simply going to throw them away.. But its a simple conversion from MP4 to AVI/DivX with the right software and the relevant codecs installed aye?

What also if the Bittorrent community (and the scene) banned DVD-rips and other files sized over eg: 2gigs, and also banned especially the recent Blueray etc rips with 8gigs…? I mean if you want the DVD/Blueray/HDDvd (with menus and extras) buy the bleedin’ thing.

Most here will know that they can bypass bittorrent and other P2P applications if the wish to watch or even download certain Television series or Films. Stage6 allows you download the (DivX) file, and certain browser addons allow to download from sites such as Gubba and Youtube etc.

Admittedly the ISP’s need to upgrade the infrastructure (which in my opinion should be ‘State Owned’ by the public rather than in private and share holders hands, or is that too socialist for some here?), but surely we as individuals can lessen the load on that infrastructure simply by ethical consumerism.

:0o XD

This doesn’t help a bit. Data transfer is already cheap as in very cheap. (except for a few exceptions, like Australia to the rest of world)

Considering the caps being discussed are all in the sub 100GB per month, it is clear that it isn’t the backbone bandwidth that is the problem, but the last mile.

Keeping traffic within a provider network won’t solve the problem at all, as the traffic still has to travel on the congested last mile (or several miles).

The problem is with the ISPs that have failed in their responsibility to keep the infrastructure up to date, or invested too much in non scalable infrastructure (which I think is the main problem for cable companies).

Just as an fyi if your ISP does this find a tracker which you can access via https (where the url looks like https://www.YourTrackerHere.org etc) and your .torrent files will download as seamlessly as usual. The second best fix is to use a tracker that hosts zipped .torrent files as an alternative to the usual ones. This only adds one step to the process where you open your zip program to access the .torrent file.
Another solution is to right click the .torrent and do a “Save As” then change the extension from .torrent to .txt. Once it is downloaded, simply change the extension back to .torrent (this works with varying degrees of success).

The technology war against filesharing continues.

Also, getting BT to prioritize local connections (same ISP), is easily done by providing symmetric lines (or even asymmetric the “wrong” way). Due to ADSL, the fastest nodes, which will be prioritized, are NEVER on my ISPs network, but mostly long-haul (cross continents).