Since the shaping era began everyone I know, leaves their computers on for longer and downloads as many files as possible. Similar to filling a bucket with water. Either you turn the tap, fill it fast and turn it off, or you fill it by letting the faucet drip for days on end. Often you let it overflow and let the tap drip continuously. The net result of which is, more bandwidth is being used. The ISP’s in turn do not gain anything other than dollars from ‘false’ advertising, which they need so they can pay consultants and companies for ‘traffic shaping’ which does not work.

These ISP clowns are living in the 90’s, sending cutsy e-mails to grandma with a geewhiz fancy typewriter.

Slowing the connection down by usage and pricing the usage differenty to time. Example:

00-06 price 1 tick(s)/Mb
06-08 pirce 2 tick(s)/Mb
08-16 price 3 tick(s)/Mb
16-21 price 5 tick(s)/Mb
21-00 price 3 tick(s)/Mb

Now 300 ticks will slow your connection down by 30%, 800 ticks will slow it to 50% and so on…
Then at midnight your connection and tick counter is reseted to full speed.

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-leet (i miss demonoid </3)[/quote]
[quote comment="284270"]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon…. this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside… i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga movie at 5 mb/s
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it…. Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid </3)[/quote]
[quote comment="278652"]Charging for bandwidth uses makes sense indeed, as long as the prizes are reasonable.

Should be ‘prices’.[/quote]

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-leet (i miss demonoid </3)

look isp’s we all know you are overselling, but there is a limit to how far you can overpromise before it catches up with you – take a lesson from verizon and just spend the cash

The BitTorrent problem is not the only one to argue about. People like to watch good quality streaming videos on the web, TV Shows which are not really copyrighted in the U.S. and use other high bandwidth applications: gaming, video chatting, etc…

It is good to have a 12Mb Comcast Power Boost for such things, for instance, but when you get cut off by USING ITS 1/8 capacities (which is roughly 500GB over the month), does it also means that Comcast CAN NOT handle fully loaded 1.5Mb channel over the month (which also gives 500GB of dl data), while Europe providers can handle much more? Are we live in America, or in Russia, where such thing like traffic limits are still exist? At least in Russia providers DO SAY to their customers what they should expect and what plan should they purchase considering certain traffic limitations. From Comcast we don’t hear anything, we still think that the Internet excess is unlimited. Well, that’s not true and they know this. Using their monopoly rights of a second largest internet provider they can do whatever they want and wait a little bit more before start upgrading their s**** network. But like someone said in here, “sooner or later they would have to do this”.

Companies exist for the customers, and the customers are those in right to decide what they want!

P.s. The thing about 500Gb of bandwidth per month is near truth. I heard some cases that after using “unlimited” Comcast internet connection people were getting cut off. I don’t think that they’ve downloaded much over 500Gb, I would think even less that that, but still got cut off.

Supply more of your product!

Personally, I’d prefer a slower, but unlimited account over a faster one with a quota. If I had a faster account, I’d just ant to download more and would quickly use up my quota. At a slower speed, I can’t donload things as quickly, but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about how much I download.

For whatever it’s worth, when I signed up for AT&T DSL, I specifically asked them if they had any usage caps and they said no. I mentioned that I’d heard of other companies throttling heavy users or imposing quotas and I was assured that AT&T didn’t do that. Of course now they’re planning to filter everything, but that’s a separate issue.

Yay Primus! Its about $45 a month, truly unlimited and unthrottled bandwidth!

what the deal?

You know distributed computing os the internet.

And finally the users will rule over the internet

Ah It was fairly recently they amended their FUP. xD

Heres the script:
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html

i was turning off utorrent between 4-12pm thanks for the heads up.

Also, in all honesty I find the discussion of bandwidth caps weird, as they will not resolve any issues at all. The problem lies, as I see it, in concurrent capacity, not total capacity. The lines and links stay up, even when not in use. I used to live in a town with a 4gb per month limit, and as I do download quite a bit, I went through that quite fast. But when I’ve used up my quota, my line remains active, but only in a crippled fashion, this however does nothing to stop congestion, as when my allocation resets so does everyone else’s, and everyone started happily downloading again. The internet was painfully slow there whenever people had their allocations reset and lovely fast when nigh on everyone was crippled.
So did the caps solve anything, if you ask me, no not really, it just made for a very very congested network whenever the caps got reset, and probably made the congestion worse then it could’ve been, due to everyone waiting for their limit to reset to do the downloads they wanted, making the network take a much larger hit then if it had been spread out over time, and everyone downloading when the idea/urge hit them instead of saving it up.
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Uhh, didn’t they think to stagger the reset dates so not everybody came off their cap at the same time??? What kind of dumbass town is this??

Personally, I would prefer a super high speed capped connection at the expense of a slower unlimited one. I currently get a 20mbit, 150gb/month package in Australia. You can only use 40gb from 7am to 1am which is a pain but otherwise it’s pretty good.

Wouldn’t you prefer a 500mbit connection with a terabyte limit over a 3mbit unlimited connection? Sure, the 3mbit connection can use a terabyte going flat out for a month, but I’ll take the 500mbit one thanks.

I haven’t opened 20 tabs on YouTube, but I have opened 4-5. Why? Because the YouTube server’s speed is permanently set on “pokey”. I can download 20MB from other sites in under a minute, but YouTube takes 3-4 minutes to send me a lousy 5MB video.

If the ISPs can tell a torrent package, they can make them get of of the way of other packets.