Demonoid Returns, Forced to Block Canadian Traffic By the CRIA
Written by Ernesto on September 30, 2007The popular BitTorrent tracker Demonoid is back online after nearly a week of downtime. The website and the tracker are hosted on the same ISP, but Canadian traffic is blocked thanks to pressure from the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA).
On the Demonoid frontpage we now read:
We received a letter from a lawyer representing the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and we need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience.
This confirms our earlier reports this week, and show that the CRIA was indeed responsible for the downtime. It’s been a controversial week and at times emotions were running really high. In the absence of any official announcement it was really hard to separate fact from fiction, with rumor and counter-rumor.
The bad news of course is that Demonoid is now unavailable to Canadians. Unfortunately it is not the fist time an anti-piracy organization effectively shuts down access to a part of the BitTorrent community. Earlier this week Isohunt had to ban US users from its trackers, and last month TorrentSpy blocked access to US users, both by pressure from the MPAA.
At the time we write this article, the forums are still offline, but it probably wont take long before these are back online too. The first sign of Demonoid’s return came yesterday when the trackers started responding again.
When an avalanche of upset Demonoid users came to TorrentFreak this week, the mood was grim when not only their site disappeared but also doubts were cast on our report. We aim to be a credible news source and understand the responsibility we have in the BitTorrent community. While understanding how Demonoid’s Canadian users must be feeling right now, it’s great that we now get the chance to share in the relief of the majority of Demonoid’s dedicated userbase.
The second most popular BitTorrent tracker on planet earth has returned, that’s the most important thing.
Update: Demonoid is having some problems again, this message now appears: “The latest changes to the site are giving us some problems - We’ll be back soon”
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I’m not in denial, I choose (Yes, believe it or not .. I’m a human being and free-will is my God-give right) to ignore and avoid these kinds of conspiracies. Show me some proof, Sir, and I will take up the banner at your side and we will fight to rid the world of the Tyranny of CRIA©
… lol.
You see my point? Or are YOU in denial about THAT? CAN an enemy concede a valid point, or are you blinded by your own sense of.. of… Jesus, what DO you call it? I fail to see your logical standpoint.
you can easily get past that blocking with a proxy
[quote comment="177878"]For all the Canadian Brothers here, use a proxy that is based in another country(US or other). This was you’ll still be able to use Demonoid. ;)[/quote]
For several reasons I would prefer any other country as the US… you don’t get happy from all the said news messaging involving torrents (in any way) in the us.
About the demonoid fans, I agree that some of them surely need to apologize.
[quote comment="177950"]This blog full of lies sucks!!
Ernesto,
No one will believe you anymore. You lost many readers with your rumour stealing from another website!!
You didnT know anything till you read that at DEMONOID frontpage! You admited that.
For this action you really suck!
Fuck you - you belong to CRIA[/quote]
Amazing… isn’t it possible to ban people without prosper reasoning… or people who use words above their age…?
Nice to see all you high school kids can get back to your pathetic 90210 wannabe stealing and swearing and pretending you somehow have something to offer the world community.
Are there are readers around the world who were aware that Canada had a recording industry - not exactly a super-power in world music!
Good luck Demonoid - Good luck Ernesto
@ # 250
Well said!
Canada has a relatively unique provision in the Copyright Act, at s. 80, which provides:
80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of
(a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
(b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or(br> (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied
onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording.
The key words here are “for the private use of the person who makes the copy”. This means that you may make a copy of any sound recording and use it yourself. You may copy a friend’s cd, or you may download music, and listen to it yourself. All of these activities are exempted from infringement.
In contrast, the following activites are not exempted by s. 80. You may not copy a cd or rip an mp3 and give it to anyone else. You may not send an mp3 to a friend over the net, because a copy is made in that process. You may not file share (or upload) over the internet without infringing. This last infringement is due to the nature of p2p file-sharing.
When a person requests a file over a p2p network, like Kazaa, the network sends out requests to the effect of, “Hey, Mr. X is looking for song Y, do you have a copy?” Your computer has results, and sends the information back through the network to Mr. X. Mr. X, seeing the result, decides to download it. He sends a request to your computer for the file. Here’s what’s key: he does not log onto your computer, make a copy of Song Y, and send it back. Your computer receives the request for Song Y, and then your computer makes the copy by reading the information off of your hard drive and transmits it to him. He now has a copy (which he downloaded, but most importantly, _you_ uploaded simultaneously), as do you.
Thus, whenever someone downloads from your computer, your computer makes a copy for their use. This is infringement with no exemption, because you are entirely responsible for what your computer does. Some have argued that, at least while you are away from your computer, you are not responsible for someone downloading from it. This would only be valid if (a) that person had complete control over your computer and (b) it was private control, rather than public (because only private copying avoids infringement). Complete control would mean physical control, usually, but also might mean full remote access. However, access to some of your files through an application that you, yourself, chose to execute would fall far short of relinquishing control of your computer, even if you turned on the p2p app and left the room. In addition, even if someone had full remote access of your computer, if that access was from outside your “domestic setting” (as the Copyright Board defines it) it would fall under “public” rather than “private” copying. Strangers over a p2p network fall outside your domestic setting. Therefore, when it comes to p2p applications, you are considered responsible for your computer’s actions.
One important point of all this is that so long as you use a p2p application with sharing turned off, you cannot infringe copyright with that application. That’s an imperfect solution, of course, because some of us need to share so that the system works. It’s also worth noting that the RIAA has chosen only to sue “supernode” users in the US. If you are not a supernode, and if you share small amounts of material, you probably won’t attract attention. It’s the big sharers who are on the hook.
There are other reasons as well that file sharing is infringement, which I will canvas briefly: Offering your files on a p2p network is “public” rather than “private” copying, for two reasons. First, because sharing on a p2p network is allowing the public, in the common sense meaning of the word, to access your files. Second, because the Copyright Board has defined “to the public” as something intended to reach more than one person outside your domestic setting. Any public copying is of course not protected under the private copying provision in s. 80.
In short, when we share our files, we infringe copyright each time someone downloads from us on a p2p app, and we can’t avail ourselves of the private copying provision in the Act. We are only safe in downloading. I hope that the Act is updated once again to give us some relief for sharing music through the medium of the internet (although full-on p2p file-sharing will probably always be considered infringment, it would be nice if at least ftp’ing music on a private scale would be legal).
http://grep.law.harvard.edu/articles/03/08/22/1655233.shtml
link for above
[quote comment="177832"]God damn it ! Why the fuck doset someone bomb the cria offices already i want my torrents !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find a way t get the canadians back ! we got the latest Movie Rips ![/quote]
Would be good a fast free proxy for torrents, then all Canadian users will be able to use demonoid again!!
[quote comment="177832"]God damn it ! Why the fuck doset someone bomb the cria offices already i want my torrents !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find a way t get the canadians back ! we got the latest Movie Rips ![/quote]
Would be good a fast free proxy for torrents, then all Canadian users will be able to use demonoid again!!
[quote comment="178247"]My vote is to fight the CRIA.. Unblock Canada… As I don’t like being blocked … I thought this would NEVER happen here. I say move the servers elsewhere lol… Like Sweden.[/quote]
Need money to fight, everyone should donate to demonoid if you get something good, only needs to be a little bit 50cents from each person would give them some finance to get a good lawyer
I just want to ask those people who keep saying “Sabin Got It Right!” to go pack and read his posts. he kept insisting that demonoid was down due to “hard drive failure” because of “The new TV season”.
Stop trying to paper over the truth. *some* people were spreading BS.
Demonoid is a great site and I’m happy to see it’s up again
WHAT?!
No Sabin did *not* say anything about “the new TV season” so if you’re just trying to badmouth him, give it up you fucking ass. Yes, Sabin said it was due to hardware and it WAS, in part. The other has obviously been shown, by DEIMOS and not some wannabe-reporter, that it was to enable the new IP block.
Don’t start spreading lies, you ignorant little cockroach, because everything you say can easily be researched and proven as nothing more than the flighting fancy of a diseased child.
@ h33t (AKA lacadaemon (Admin at http://www.h33t.com)
U really are a piece of work and, thanks to many others, u have been ridiculed and ur bollocks has been laughed at to the far reaches of the file sharing community thanks to this blog. I regularly read this sites news and as soon as I saw this I felt I had to debunk your lies. So heregoes
I know NATAS personally and have been to his apartment, lent him some of my CD collection to rip on oink (the music torrent site) and seen him rip masses of copyrighted material and seed it on Demonoid and other torrent sites. And I’ve seen him seed it on h33t.com as well (was last year). Thats until u guys had a falling out about the graphics he did for ur site.
Everyone can c this thread for info: http://h33tfr33sp33k.h33t.com/index.php/topic,16.0.html
I know this well because I was with NATAS when he was doing the artwork and he often asked me for a second opinion on the logos he did.
For those of u who want to laugh at h33t/lacadaemon’s crap then take a look at these: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/pbkt01/h33t/SeedingLost01.png
http://www.h33t.com/forum/index.php?topic=28.0
NATAS seeded the whole season of Lost (more than 35GB) for h33t.com and thats just one example of the tons of stuff he contributes on bit torrent. Everyone knows him and knows your rant is full of dogshit, buddy!
So people, the truth is that unfortunately h33t has tried to soil his name in an act of, how can i say “unspeakable internet treachery”. All because these two no longer get along. How sad it is and that people resort to so much slander and backstabbing online.
NATAS introduced me to torrents and since I’ve moved back to the UK I’ve gotten my own friends into it. Its great!!
So h33t, please go fuck yourself with a retractable batton cos no one with half a brain is going to believe u, lol
Oh yeah, one more thing. After you two guys parted ways he backed up all the webpages on your site in case you try to change any content and slander him like you did about 6 months ago on your forums. Really, get a life matey!!!!!
Oh and I see Sabin’s comment were finally met with “approval” and were allowed to be shown. It’s about time, since that’s the only guy here who is PART of Demonoid.
Truthsayer, you seem to have a personal grudge against Sabin. Interesting, but what relevance does that have with any of this? Your quoting things that Sabin did NOT say - and what are you hoping to achieve by that? Worldwide hatred of the guy? HAH! In your dreams, sonny. The guy has far more respect from far more people on the “net” than you could ever hope to gain.
He was doing his job by standing by Demonoid. I, for one, applaud him for that. You people just want to spread misinformation.
I also hope that Canadians can get back onto the site and that the CRIA rot in hell
@UKDave
Agreed, also :)
Canadians have gotten a bad rap from all of this and it’s not their fault.
[quote]I mean, c’mon, how hard could it possibly be to issue an official four sentence statement about legal issues to calm down the frightened users and end all the speculation at the same time? Huh?[/quote]
[quote]Deimos has his reasons and I trust those reasons.[/quote]
Don’t buy it. He should have said something. Everyone was left scared and fearing the worst. In the news vacuum rumors started: the CRIA story (which was at best a rumor) and the story on Wiki that Deimos was killed in a car accident, and that the RIAA was now running the tracker. Deimos can say what happened now - he could have said it a week ago.
Big fan of Demonoid and thankful to Deimos but this absolute silence thing creates far more problems than it solves.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/pbkt01/h33t/SeedingLost01.png
If you have a problem with misinformation then why applaud him citing a cause that is contradicted by the site announcement ?
Why? Because as has been said, by many people, that announcement ISN’T the whole reason.
I see you’re still dodging the issue and the original question, so I see no further reason to sully myself by talking with you.
Canadian users go to this site if u need to access demonoid.
http://www.vidalia-project.net/
owned lying demonoid admins who said Ernesto was a liar and the servers were down because of hardware failure
you lied lasttime demoinoid went down too when Ernesto was right again
maybe you should show some integrity and apologise.
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