“In the eyes of many artists and record labels, being heavily pirated is just about the *WORST* thing that could happen.”

Once again sorry for being a tool.

snatches != # of times torrent file was downloaded.

the torrents you stopped midway aren’t counted as snatches.

What a lousy pirate you are. You’ll have to walk the plank!

Dude, i smoked that too, but i dont remember having such dumb thougts, yeah i sometimes tink that a dog is a cat, but thats because there are very tiny cats!

Murder – piracy…
Something is here – doesnt mean is right…

O.o

The sky is blue, therefor i like cookies!

thats all i had to say.

now that her business is failing (because last fm is better) she starts by blaming us! what the hell is up with that.

They can have her back we sure as hell don’t want her.

feminist Extremist ALERT!

Have you seen her Wikipedia page she looks like Medusa

Kerchoonz EPIC FAIL (Guardians To Bad Rubbish)

EPIC FAIL

I think what annoys me most about the whole situation, is the completely unrealistic profit margins your industry believes is acceptable to make on music. You have in effect priced your audience out of the market, and this is why people pirate; for example, I have a 120gb ipod, which will hold between 15 – 20 thousand tracks. if all these were purchased through itunes, i would be carrying round between £10000 – £15000 worth of music without any physical item ever having been received! How can the music industry warrant this? especially when the larger demographic, is the youth and young adult market whose annual salaries will be between £5000 and £22000. I think the music industry have backed themselves in to a corner with their own collective greed.

By updating their business models to reflect this change in music trends, they would have been able to keep up revenue streams, my personal belief is in a pay per play system, by making downloads free, hosting relevant advertising on their sites, and using scrobbling technologies and charging a small royalty per play. similar to prs royalties. People would rather play music legally.

You have to remember that not everyone who listens to music earns enough to purchase music at the price and rate you expect, and therefore turn to piracy.

However i believe you have taken this too far and have alienated a large part of your market and now the best thing for music, as we may now start to see artists that want to make it so much, they are prepared to put the effort into self marketing, and have the quality to succeed. the cost of creating the final product is now negligible as there is no physical media to provide, and the quality of home recording is not far of that of a studio. The recording industry’s failure to adapt and embrace technology was their downfall.

Dan.

What I have discovered from this site and a few others is the illegal p2p users appear a lot more passionate about it than users of legal sites. That is an interesting dynamic to me. I’ve also noticed though that with that passion comes some negativity in the form of venomous attacks. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it’s just the basis of people can hide behind a keyboard or is there more too it than that. That is something I tend to explore.

Thank you everyone for your comments. It has been very interesting thus far. Apologies for straying off-topic.

I only pointed out how incredibly dumb it was to compare it to murder.. there relation is that of earth to Pluto.

The rest of it seems like a poorly thought out rant. TorrentFreak’s writers usually produce much better work than this…someone was drinking.

The music/movie industry needs to adapt its format to the users instead of trying to force the rest of us into compliance.
No way am I paying for an entire album if I can only be bothered to listen to 3 of its tracks (which is very often the case). CD’s are crazy expensive (at least where I live). I gladly pay if I know beforehand that I like a reasonable percentage of an album, and if someone figured out how to sell customizable albums at affordable prices I personally think that more people would be on board.

It’s only a question of time before the whining stops and the progression begins – history has already shown multiple times that the technology that Hollywood is so keen on stopping can be beneficial to both sides if only the industry would stop vicitimizing itself and learn to adapt like everyone else.

I also agree completely with Brian P. A download is not equal to an unbought ticket/DVD/CD. There is no guarantee that a downloader would pay any money for a product if piracy was not an option.

Of course The Dark Knight would have been successful if pirating didn’t exist. My point was that if you’re looking for a central point to this article beyond “popular = high downloads,” you’re reading too much into it. I like TorrentFreak, but it’s not high art and it’s not exactly Reuters. There’s not a secret meaning or agenda to grasp here. It’s a blog about torrenting and file-sharing with a clear and freely admitted bias towards those things. And some of it requires a previous base of knowledge, like in3rtia pointed out.

As for the Dark Knight stuff, well, I’ll say this: a million downloads is not the equivalent of a million lost DVD or ticket sales, not even close, for a myriad of reasons I’m not going to go into here (but you’ll find a lot of them going through the TF archives). And if a million downloads represents any actual lost sales, it’s a tiny drop in the bucket compared to $1 billion made. Maybe you think that’s rationalizing and, like a lot of industry executives who don’t really understand what they’re dealing with would have you believe, think a download is equivalent to a stolen DVD or movie ticket, end of story. I don’t, and a lot of people reading this site don’t either.

Perhaps my tastes are somewhat eclectic at times, or perhaps it’s simply a more broadened experience that’s left me with tastes outside what the mainstream provides in such bulk amounts, honestly I don’t know anymore. Regardless though, in experiencing other culture not only through movie and film, but by being engaged through them in alternate perspectives and debates I find more opportunity to positively impact the world around me.

It’s been said often enough that a purloined work is not a lost sale by necessity. Simply put if it would not be purchased then it’s availability otherwise is not going to change this fact. I’ll spare you from my sometimes far too long rambles for the time being, but I’ll just say hopefully you find your time here enlightening, as I expect one would provided it’s taken with an open mind..

So you are in fact finding out that music is currently dying? LOL. Just stick to bashing chefs in poor restaurants…

in all due respect. you have revealed a point. Music and film have thrived both with or without piracy. The factor that makes music and film even worthy of download has a lot to do with the marketing. How much have people even heard of a product before they download and/or buy it.

If I were to be allowed to be very objective, this will make sense to most of you (maybe all of you).

If we take the two bands/ artists from this article that torrent freak wrote about. One of them has had a lot of television and radio coverage. Indie artist releases album has some sales and also has illegal downloads (reported by BBC to be around 1/4million). I was exposed to music videos and even some tv adverts on morning programs and had heard of indiana. so, i’m not shocked about the downloads. i think i even saw her record in shops. i also remember that a lot of shops in the uk stopped stocking records in mid 2007 and it was a time when singles disapeared too.

the second band listed i don’t know anything about. but, maybe they have had a lot of pirated downloads, maybe not. all i know is is that when music is out there on the market and exposed, it gets downloaded. i think that this doesn’t effect artists who have bent over and taken it up the backside from major labels. but it effects indie artists who have chosen to release records on their own. and not all indie musicians try to get label deals. some people just love to make music, write songs, and help other musicians. but, when music gets released and people download it because they heard about it through marketing and the band doesn’t have another few million quid to throw into the game, it ends up killing the music that we would like to discover and support. this is a ramble. but, if everyone who downloads would just donate a quid or something or even really did buy the music that would be different. but the truth is, you don’t need to download if you just throw away the crap you download because you can find it on myspace or spotify and probably you’ll find it on kerchoons or whatever it’s called. but it does make me think because i think that sometimes we are being cruel due to this ‘industry’ and ‘copyright’. people make music and they take great pains to do so. and they deserve to have some love and respect. we all have different tastes but we all enjoy films and music. (end of rant)

mm interesting 7822 people like to download fuck

AIG GREED ALL OVER AGAIN this time form obama/biden

I am from Eastern Europe and I tried recently to buy a song, first on Amazon then on ITunes and both were only for US residents.

And the things that are available usually arrive late.

The Movie “Traitor” will only arrive here in the cinema on April but the US premiere was on August 2008.

http://tinyurl.com/clhx7t

NubCakes is new here? No, you must be new here. He gets called a troll alot, yet he had higher rep than anyone but Roze during the Intense Debate period. Mainly he’s just kinda cranky.

maybe you can get a record deal on there =D!

So surprising!

ROFL

@45 OMG i read this blog a lot but i don’t think that there is a lot of ‘facts’ being reported. obviously extremely biased, not facts.

I was using murder in my analogy as it is an illegal act. Although maybe someone would argue what these sites do is kill music. That’s what I’m here to research.

I notice you didn’t have a problem with me comparing it to theft though. Interesting.

Thanks for your thoughts. All helpful.

I hope everyone else can appreciate and respect that is why I’m here like you have. Thanks again.

you just compared murder to file sharing.. im not even going to explain your fail..

http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php

This news site is biased just like any other news site is biased. What you don’t seem to understand, TorrentFreak has articles that SUPPORT the ideological views that the majority of the readers have. Expecting any different would be naive.