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Domain Seizure Advocates Eat Their Own Medicine

As we reported last evening, the US Government has seized a number of online Poker related domains.

Three of the largest sites – PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker – all had their domains seized and 11 people connected to the gambling outfits were charged with bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offenses.

As previously reported, MPAA, RIAA and IFPI-affiliated companies have all praised domain seizures as an effective way to deal with “criminals” but they are not on their own.

In a response to the earlier seizure of domains reported to have offered streaming sports – such as RojoDirecta, the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) praised these actions as right and proper with the same sort of rhetoric utilized by the music and move industries.

But now, with the seizure of the poker domains listed above, they will be eating some of their own medicine.

Full Tilt Poker is (was) a massive supporter of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA), pumping millions of dollars into the sport. Although it doesn’t sponsor UFC events directly, it did sponsor many MMA fighters. Full Tilt Poker also gave large amounts of money to UFC rival StrikeForce.

However, a few weeks ago, the UFC bought StrikeForce which essentially means that at least for a short time, the UFC has been (if we use a little and very unhelpful reverse rhetoric) accepting money from “criminals”.

Interestingly though, while FullTiltPoker.com has been seized, FullTiltPoker.net remains online since that site “is for educational purposes only”. In order to stay ‘legal’, it is the .net variants of these domains that sponsored the events and fighters.

That doesn’t appear to have done them much good. And the UFC and many fighters are down millions of dollars in revenue. Domain seizures clearly hit American interests hard too, not the just the “foreign entities” they’ve targeted for the last few months.

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  • Anon

    hahaha

    • Borderliner

      Couldn’t agree more :)
      Seems that this a good development. After all – if enough commercial entities loose real money because of the seizures then they might start investing money into stopping this madness.

    • Borderliner

      Couldn’t agree more :)
      Seems that this a good development. After all – if enough commercial entities loose real money because of the seizures then they might start investing money into stopping this madness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    As pointed out elsewhere, these sites didnt just serve the USA, pokerstars had just launched in new zealand and just started a tv ad campaign there.

    In the past they have just outlawed US banks/card companies from handling offshore gambling transactions from US citizens.

    The seizures along with ramming ACTA and unworkable 3 strikes legislation on the rest of the world (while not implementing it at home) the US is rapidly turning itself into the pariah of the internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    As pointed out elsewhere, these sites didnt just serve the USA, pokerstars had just launched in new zealand and just started a tv ad campaign there.

    In the past they have just outlawed US banks/card companies from handling offshore gambling transactions from US citizens.

    The seizures along with ramming ACTA and unworkable 3 strikes legislation on the rest of the world (while not implementing it at home) the US is rapidly turning itself into the pariah of the internet.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    We can seize .eu domains too! Don’t think we can’t! Who would’ve thought. World War 3. I thought it would be from the Muslim’s and Christians fighting. But it may come to fruition from the internet. Don’t mess with the nerds. They have super nerd rage specials. lol.

  • Westportmortgage

    Hi,

    Nice follow up article….both very well done!

    Best,
    Dan

  • Darrellevets

    the gov just wants some money thats all

    • Jsdphoenix

      No, Visa and Master Card, and the IRS have loss a ton….get in line since it wasn’t under the gaming conmission the programmers were stealing left and right. You let people write code and then don’t saw for hackers. Hackers steal from firms that are were made to make payments. The only thing they didn’t steal was the Full Tilt rake which was higher than any poker room in the world. As for money in you account forget it. They were into Bank Fraud. Visa and Master card and the IRS are out millions. About 3 months ago I won a fairly big event and wanted a EFT and it took almost 12 weeks. But, if you won an envent over 50k and broke the checks up….the IRS has the files now all players maybe fine to help the banks get back lost funds, the cases isn’t about Poker it is bank fraud, don’t think this is about poker it was bank fraud. They uses banks to trick Visa and Master card. These guys are going to roll over fast. They all have other cases, they even own one of the cage fighting deals…The card companies and the IRS report a huge problems………..

    • Jsdphoenix

      No, Visa and Master Card, and the IRS have loss a ton….get in line since it wasn’t under the gaming conmission the programmers were stealing left and right. You let people write code and then don’t saw for hackers. Hackers steal from firms that are were made to make payments. The only thing they didn’t steal was the Full Tilt rake which was higher than any poker room in the world. As for money in you account forget it. They were into Bank Fraud. Visa and Master card and the IRS are out millions. About 3 months ago I won a fairly big event and wanted a EFT and it took almost 12 weeks. But, if you won an envent over 50k and broke the checks up….the IRS has the files now all players maybe fine to help the banks get back lost funds, the cases isn’t about Poker it is bank fraud, don’t think this is about poker it was bank fraud. They uses banks to trick Visa and Master card. These guys are going to roll over fast. They all have other cases, they even own one of the cage fighting deals…The card companies and the IRS report a huge problems………..

  • Anonymous

    Haha. Nice follow up!

  • daddy sly

    this is another way for the government to take everybodys money to pay of the national debt take all of our poker money,screw obama and the FBI, next they will seize our houses for married couples having sex at night in the bedroom, then they can sell our houses, come on people wake up, the government will screw us all the time , hide your money inyour house.

    • daddy sly

      hey has anybody heard about full tilt poker are they back on yet

      • Mislead

        I agree, if the government would just legalize marajuana and online gambling our country would be out of debt if no time. There is a way to figure out how to tax both of them, just like alcohol, they just need to invest the time working on a plan for taxing verses sting operations. Ridiculous. This is America, last time I checked and I should be allowed to spend the remaining money I have left after the gov takes their cut however I want to. Sad day for US poker players

  • daddy sly

    Well lets see, they seize,the poker sights, now next our homes will be taken for gambling in our living rooms with a few friends, the spy in the sky i am sure is watching. The government is now going to take as much as they can from us to pay off the national debt, I love you FBI and obama thank you for making the americans life more miserable, hope you burn in hell you worthless SON OF A BITCHES””””””””””””””””””

  • daddy sly

    Well lets see, they seize,the poker sights, now next our homes will be taken for gambling in our living rooms with a few friends, the spy in the sky i am sure is watching. The government is now going to take as much as they can from us to pay off the national debt, I love you FBI and obama thank you for making the americans life more miserable, hope you burn in hell you worthless SON OF A BITCHES””””””””””””””””””

  • Deeportinos

    Obama is truly dumb for not getting involved in this. regulating online poker and gambling with a licensing framework using revenues to pay off social security debt would have showed him doing something useful besides bombing one radical lunatic in Libya to support a tribe of radical lunatics.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Yep, always follow the money to determine properly and fully “cui bono” (for whose benefit).

    But I think cases such as these (and sites dealing in child porn or human trafficking) put those filesharers who proclaim they’re against ALL forms of site-blocking in a difficult place.

    We know non-commercial filesharing is not only our future, and even the “here-and-now”, but we’re being unfairly lumped in with those real criminal and real pirates who deal in genuinely inhuman, antisocial activities – and they do so FOR PROFIT > we don’t, and we don’t deserve this attention or this label either.

    Governments and the “content industry” worldwide need to wise-up and back-off.

    • BigSexyBastard

      Sorry but i dont think you should be lumping poker sites with sites dealing in child porn or human trafficking…

      Poker is a harmless game of Skill, and is in 99.99% of countries perfectly legal, even poker is legal in america just not online poker….

      I have no problem with people playing poker, its their money they can do what the hell they like with it, if i want to burn my money i can.

      Yes these sites where technically involved in bank fraud, as they Where forced to by the US goverments and Visa and mastercard, and all they actually did was create fake companies in order to process customers legitimate payments, which is technically bank fraud but its not really immoral like real bank fraud as it is legitimate payments not some spotty kid stealing money using stolen credit card details.

  • flibble

    the ufc will not be loosing any sleep over this given that the online casinos rival the fertitas own vegas business (station casinos) as for individual fighters and places like hdnet the story may be quite different

  • flibble

    the ufc will not be loosing any sleep over this given that the online casinos rival the fertitas own vegas business (station casinos) as for individual fighters and places like hdnet the story may be quite different

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